I love how much detail you have in your reviews. What I appreciate the most is it’s a fair assessment and not biased by a sponsor. I agree wholeheartedly on the jetboil, they aren’t hunter friendly either.
Bud you really really need to look at the 'gear skeptic' videos. He really explains it all. Running lower flame net results significantly more efficiency and renders the toaks the most weight efficient out to 100ish boils.
There’s more testing videos on the way. I agree that there is an optimal intensity for the most efficient flame per gas usage. However, no matter how much heat you apply a pot with heating fins will always be more efficient than one without. It’s just basic physics.
Check out those videos! 'Gear skeptic' The guy does extremely rigorous testing; the heat sink is beneficial running things on full and more efficient, but not enough to offset the weight increase of the fins if you're willing to run your flame on low to medium (most heat dumps out the sides with a full flame non heat sink setup). I love what you do!!!
@@patrickscheel3943 all right, you got me. This is sounding like a moron, more compelling argument. I’ll definitely go check out the videos. I also really appreciate the feedback. I love when people present opposing opinions or data that contradicts something I’ve said previously. So thank you for taking the time.
I received a pot with fins recently and I did very simple test of boiling 500g of water and compared to normal titanium pot, I dont care about boiling times, so I measured the gas consumptions, and yes I found the fins are more efficient, its consumed 4g of gas with fins and 5g without the fins. all thats on 20-30% of stove power. If I do 100% power, even with the fins, it boils 2 times faster, but it consumes 9g of gas instead of 4-5g, so I guess it's something to test more. The 550ml titanium pod diameter is less than 10cm, if we use stove with wider burner, similar to one you have on the desk, on full blow, a lot of flames just go over the stove and doing minimal effect on heating and loosing fuel for nothing. Thats why majority of hikers use small tiny burners like brs300t on 30% power to get better fuel consumption, typical times to boil are 4-6 mins. Thats all tests in the kitchen, in real life scenarios, there are all way air moving and wind involved, that drastically affects fuel consumption, this is where intergated systems shines like reactor, but thats different class and weight penalty. The 550 pot and brs300t are 100g total, and integrated systems more like 400g, depending on type of hikes and number of days, one can choose over another. Not sure how much hunters move, I guess it should be no brainer to have integrated system if you dont move a lot. If I do fast and light type of hike in the mountains for 5 days that involve 30km per day and 2000m altitude gain, I will go lightest pot I can get and make sure I find quiet place to shed from wind to boil the water :)
I went and bought an msr after using one of those micro foldable stoves for years and loving it. I was on a hunting trip making my morning coffee beside a buddy in the breeze. He was drinking his coffee before my water was even close to ready. When we got back i went and got a windburner and couldnt be happier.
Great video and super informative. I have always thought pot systems to be less efficient than finned pots, but quantifying like you did really sheds light on the weakness of “ultra ultra light” cook systems.
Sincerely appreciate your analytical mindset and approach to looking at elements that affect the backcountry experience. I own a Fire Maple pot with heat exchanger fins and have appreciated the faster boil times. They just released the Petrel Ultralight 600ml with fins and slots to get the pot closer to the flame. I might check that out. I've heard that wider/shorter pots are more efficient than narrower/taller pots, but I've never tested it.
Oh, you might be interested in looking at Brynje (pronounced Brin-ya) for base layers. They look ridiculous because they're mesh, but some of the backpacker channels have been testing them and initial reviews seem to be positive for garments' ability to transfer moisture and thus have less cold/wet feeling. And, I know that you did your big pack review not too long ago, but I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on how the Initial Ascent pack stacks up against the Exo K4, if you're looking for episode topics.
So something that i have thought about trying, though I do think it would be cumbersome, is the biolite stove setup. Yes there is certain applications I don't think it would be good in, but I would like to see it In a comparison against any standard backcountry stove set up. The great idea behind the biolite, though heavier, it allows you to not bring fuel AND charging station for electronics.
Pretty stoked you picked up the Olicamp after i recommended it to you. Are you considering going away from a canister stove at all especially for winter hunts? Im trying a liquid fuel stove now.
What would be interesting is fins INSIDE the cup. Fins on the outside transfer heat to the cup, but fins in the inside should transfer the heat into the water more effectively.
There is a readon why car cooling radiators doesn't just have tubes but also thousands of small fins to increase the surface area that grabs the air better. A larger pot will always heat faster on a gas stove since it has a larger surface area since flame heating a pot is not really efficient as most of the heat just flies around and past it. The ones with fins collects more heat from a larger surface area thus wasting less heat.
Great video man, definitely the kinda videos we need more of ,it really can make a big difference with buying decisions ,only problem is I thought I was all set but onto Amazon I go 😂
Jay, sorry the Jetboil hasn’t really panned out for you. I’ve been using a JB flash for about 6yrs with zero issues BUT I’ve hunted with other guys who’s Jetboil shit the bed and they had to use mine. Ironically I planned to buy the JB minimo for this year so I could simmer water/food but maybe I’ll look into something else with a better warranty. Thanks for being a SUPER NERD!
Really enjoy the level of detail you provide in your content! Thanks for taking the time to dive into these rabbit holes.
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I love how much detail you have in your reviews. What I appreciate the most is it’s a fair assessment and not biased by a sponsor. I agree wholeheartedly on the jetboil, they aren’t hunter friendly either.
Thanks brother!
Bud you really really need to look at the 'gear skeptic' videos. He really explains it all.
Running lower flame net results significantly more efficiency and renders the toaks the most weight efficient out to 100ish boils.
There’s more testing videos on the way. I agree that there is an optimal intensity for the most efficient flame per gas usage. However, no matter how much heat you apply a pot with heating fins will always be more efficient than one without. It’s just basic physics.
Check out those videos! 'Gear skeptic' The guy does extremely rigorous testing; the heat sink is beneficial running things on full and more efficient, but not enough to offset the weight increase of the fins if you're willing to run your flame on low to medium (most heat dumps out the sides with a full flame non heat sink setup). I love what you do!!!
@@patrickscheel3943 all right, you got me. This is sounding like a moron, more compelling argument. I’ll definitely go check out the videos. I also really appreciate the feedback. I love when people present opposing opinions or data that contradicts something I’ve said previously. So thank you for taking the time.
@@MindfulHunter how have the gear skeptic vids changed or not changed your mind here? Also, love all your content brother, grateful for what you do
I received a pot with fins recently and I did very simple test of boiling 500g of water and compared to normal titanium pot, I dont care about boiling times, so I measured the gas consumptions, and yes I found the fins are more efficient, its consumed 4g of gas with fins and 5g without the fins. all thats on 20-30% of stove power. If I do 100% power, even with the fins, it boils 2 times faster, but it consumes 9g of gas instead of 4-5g, so I guess it's something to test more. The 550ml titanium pod diameter is less than 10cm, if we use stove with wider burner, similar to one you have on the desk, on full blow, a lot of flames just go over the stove and doing minimal effect on heating and loosing fuel for nothing. Thats why majority of hikers use small tiny burners like brs300t on 30% power to get better fuel consumption, typical times to boil are 4-6 mins. Thats all tests in the kitchen, in real life scenarios, there are all way air moving and wind involved, that drastically affects fuel consumption, this is where intergated systems shines like reactor, but thats different class and weight penalty. The 550 pot and brs300t are 100g total, and integrated systems more like 400g, depending on type of hikes and number of days, one can choose over another. Not sure how much hunters move, I guess it should be no brainer to have integrated system if you dont move a lot. If I do fast and light type of hike in the mountains for 5 days that involve 30km per day and 2000m altitude gain, I will go lightest pot I can get and make sure I find quiet place to shed from wind to boil the water :)
I went and bought an msr after using one of those micro foldable stoves for years and loving it. I was on a hunting trip making my morning coffee beside a buddy in the breeze. He was drinking his coffee before my water was even close to ready. When we got back i went and got a windburner and couldnt be happier.
Definitely benefits to that system
I’m planning to replace my Jet Boil for this upcoming season and just leave the JB in my Truck. Great timing for this video.
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Great video and super informative. I have always thought pot systems to be less efficient than finned pots, but quantifying like you did really sheds light on the weakness of “ultra ultra light” cook systems.
Yeah, I always assumed they’d be a little bit better. It was how significantly better they were that I found surprising.
Great video and analysis as usual! Thanks Jay
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Sincerely appreciate your analytical mindset and approach to looking at elements that affect the backcountry experience. I own a Fire Maple pot with heat exchanger fins and have appreciated the faster boil times. They just released the Petrel Ultralight 600ml with fins and slots to get the pot closer to the flame. I might check that out. I've heard that wider/shorter pots are more efficient than narrower/taller pots, but I've never tested it.
Been seeing that fire maple pot everywhere
Oh, you might be interested in looking at Brynje (pronounced Brin-ya) for base layers. They look ridiculous because they're mesh, but some of the backpacker channels have been testing them and initial reviews seem to be positive for garments' ability to transfer moisture and thus have less cold/wet feeling. And, I know that you did your big pack review not too long ago, but I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on how the Initial Ascent pack stacks up against the Exo K4, if you're looking for episode topics.
Appreciate the feedback! IA is on the list for sure
+1 to the IA vs Exo review
So something that i have thought about trying, though I do think it would be cumbersome, is the biolite stove setup. Yes there is certain applications I don't think it would be good in, but I would like to see it In a comparison against any standard backcountry stove set up. The great idea behind the biolite, though heavier, it allows you to not bring fuel AND charging station for electronics.
I’m skeptical about how much juice that thing can make but it deserves a test.
Always appreciate the extent of information you give. 💪🏻
Thanks brother! 👍
What a great test. I think I was really close!
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Pretty stoked you picked up the Olicamp after i recommended it to you.
Are you considering going away from a canister stove at all especially for winter hunts? Im trying a liquid fuel stove now.
Yeah I picked up a liquid fuel MSR system for my deep winter stuff.
What would be interesting is fins INSIDE the cup. Fins on the outside transfer heat to the cup, but fins in the inside should transfer the heat into the water more effectively.
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There is a readon why car cooling radiators doesn't just have tubes but also thousands of small fins to increase the surface area that grabs the air better.
A larger pot will always heat faster on a gas stove since it has a larger surface area since flame heating a pot is not really efficient as most of the heat just flies around and past it.
The ones with fins collects more heat from a larger surface area thus wasting less heat.
That’s exactly what I said 🫤
Some people don’t watch your full and thorough explanation, and just want to spew shit after 30 seconds after hitting play 🤣
Great video man, definitely the kinda videos we need more of ,it really can make a big difference with buying decisions ,only problem is I thought I was all set but onto Amazon I go 😂
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nice detail good job
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Jay, sorry the Jetboil hasn’t really panned out for you. I’ve been using a JB flash for about 6yrs with zero issues BUT I’ve hunted with other guys who’s Jetboil shit the bed and they had to use mine. Ironically I planned to buy the JB minimo for this year so I could simmer water/food but maybe I’ll look into something else with a better warranty. Thanks for being a SUPER NERD!
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Dang 45.4% way higher than I thought.
Surprised me too