It is easy to look good with a compliant person or your own students. Always wanted to see Adam push with a good person who wasn’t his student. He looks like every other teacher and not effortlessly tossing people around which I found hard to believe.
might be wrong, but it could fit into his narrative/description that when people are on similar song levels than its better to have a tea, or its gonna be about ego-s and li. but definitely agree that its refreshing to see him not with students, we need more videos like this. id also love to know if the vid was uploaded 5 years ago, how is that every single comment is from the last couple of days. Is it just getting viral now somehow in the taiji community? :D
He was still in his 20's during this video. You've never seen someone being compliant with him and most the videos you see aren't even his students. If you wanna get better at anything you have to test yourself and you will lose plenty of times
Thanks for sharing. Watch the posture and use of li. Lowering physical center happens when one is less song than the opponent. Nice how they stayed respectful, stayed calm, and followed the rules (e.g. no neck grabbing)
Can you refer me to the official taiji push hands rule book? Never knew one existed. Neck grabbing is a legitimate fighting method, do you prefer one step in,one step out and turn about or wack paddy wack or whatever the old childrens dances were in the sixties. Taiji is a combat martial art despite the disillusioned who think it is a love fest cosmic meditation.
From 2008. I’m not for or against but people who dismiss others because they didn’t come out of the womb with skills should probably stop hating and think about how they themselves have learned and progressed over the last 14 years! The desire of people to tear others down to make themselves feel better never ceases to amaze. Happy 2022 all!
Not hating but fighting misinformation and profiteering from susceptible gullible mostly middle age men out of condition who do not want to face reality of the brutishness of fighting, or born again new age hippies living in la la land.
He has better timing and body placement and at one point you can see him uproot both feet of his partner in the early minutes. In control for most of the exchange but as someone else said its much harder to get a similar issue with people of comparable skill
I wouldn't call it "struggling". He is being challenged, but thru the video i see him holding true to his principles - he is song, and not really relying on leverage and physical dynamics as much as Master Chew. Nonetheless, he is facing a more skilled opponent, but still this was a while back. Very interesting video !
@@11arkasha11 Yes, I noticed that Adam Mizner maintained an air of calm and repose while his opponent (Chew, whoever that is) seemed much more earnest.
@@HighFinance777 That is hardly surprising. Both Adam Mizner and Patrick Kelly think of themselves as spiritual teachers consequently they are very likely to avoid fighting.
@@davidm9618 An admirable suggestion, I concur fully with the learned gentleman, in Thailand where his Holiness the Sifu Llama himself Lord Adam MIzner nee the reincarnation of ,chang seng fen is no to temporarily reside in his earthly home, there is an abundance of nubile wenches to offer such soothing supplications to ones tired love muscle.
Hard for Adam to win. Either his videos are with compliant students or he is struggling with older senior masters higher up his lineage but holding his ground. What is impressive is he was very young her and had not been training long but was still invited to demo at an important event for his lineage, as far as I know. I am also sure he was giving face. For those of us who trained in Asia we know that is important.
Um... Adam founded his international school in 2004. This video is supposedly from 2008. So, the statement "had not been training long" seems incorrect. At this point in the video, he was already nearly a decade deep into the practice based on the timelines.
@@HolyChaoMu Buddy, he apparently made good use of picking compliant, unskilled, out-of-shape, old, or weak people. In a real fight, he'd be knocked out before the bell stopped ringing.
adam was in tough moments defending here, but still it seemed to me he hold back for a few very good times when attacking. anyway, the best thing to me is that he went for it with a taoist mind and didnt get angry or whatever
I think he is good only till when the people are compliant. Here for the 1st and only time we see training with people out of the routine peng lu ji an...so .. My opinion.
there is little rough stuff here if you think anyone was hurt you should watch a real mainland China push hands or even sanda tournament where real bones are broken and injuries occur frequently.
@@nickcarroll8565 Yes I have nearly broken a leg in push hands and sustained many sprains and bruises, push hands in china is not actually the imagined fairy fluff that those in the west believe it is but plain sparring that is sanshou as opposed to going through official method practice where in tradition methods are repeated over and over. It seems to be that those from the Chen tradition face realistically what fighting is all about Yang and Wu and SUn traditions are a mixed bag, depends whether teacher can fight or is able teach fighting or is a general Beijing Wushu Institute inspired peace and well being through taiji individual. Many bleieve that this is the original intention , it was not before the 1930s or 40s taiji was straight out combat art before then. Then when guns became available in China the Taiji shifu's found it difficult to find student so embraced the wider population and repackaged their systems. Yang Cheng fu,states as much in his book on his system. Unfortunately the world over push hands was destroyed by Chen man ching, who was a real practitioner who had to modify his teachings in the sixties and seventies in USA to appease his students who were mostly hippies and alternative lifestyler's not martial artists. It is evident by comparing his Taiwan push hands videos to his New York, a vast difference. Incidentally from watching Adam Mizner and Chew I see no evidence of any reason why anyone would be sored bruised or even slightly perturbed it was a spirited but fairly polite exchange in which no real fighting was done , it was all kept well within the confines of narrow non combat deflection/yeield/weight transfer/off balance, training associated with students who are adept at the push hands drills and wish to try their hand in a non combative way. There is more aggressive push hands on youtube; I will post links; none involve Mr Mizner but he does have a promo video where he allegedly demolishes an attack from a fighter but it is a choreographed promo video.
@@nickcarroll8565 It takes a bit of time to find youtube videos if you do not bookmark them as google deliberately obfuscates the youtube search to promote its biggest money earners not necessarily most interesting videos, which is a shock to many that popularity does not mean quality but often trash. Anyway, if I can manage to unearth some more aggressive pushands I will try if I can leave links here. But I have not much time. I am doing this at 6 am before the day as it is.
We haven’t seen mizner push against anyone none compliant since then. What makes you think he’s gotten better? It’s sad that someone who’s actually competed gets sucked into the mizner nonsense
exemple classique de force grossière (gang) ou est le yin qui prépare le yang ou est l'élasticité du neijia ou du tongbei, ou est l'esprit des tuishou de l'ancienne tradition?
The video is from 2008, a lot of things have change, and for the most part nowadays the people Adam pushes around are teachers in their own right, including competitors of different martial arts.
I experienced a one on one session with one of Adam Mizners senior students and official teachers of his school, and he was ok, at Adams tricks, they are really easily neutralised and to fall into his traps you have to play along, you can just simply disengage and punch they have no answer, I know this is not push hand rules but push hands is useless if not practical in real life.
@@HighFinance777 Exactly, nobody is going to stand there with outstretched arms so the Tai Chi guy can do his little routine. All of this silk reeling nonsense is useless when a straight right is coming at your face with 30 mph.
@@CynicalSnowflake Thanks afters years almost 20 years or more of drinking the push hands cool aid and then training with a real internal martial artist who was a east end London Doorman and security guard, he did not stuff around, he basically lost a lot of push hands tournaments to big fat guys who just pushed him hard and he could not really use martial arts, push hands is really just a practice drill it bears no resemblance to fighting, Mizners amazing touch is silly just let go and whop him upside the head silly bastard complete nonsense.
Maybe this oriental opponent was very experienced at push hands but good to see that Mr Mizner is not superhuman after all! The oriental guy seems to have more ego than Adam and it seems to me that as the contest goes on Adam is more able to neutralise his opponents ego and remain undisturbed. Very grateful to see a more honest film of Adam Mizner.
@@HighFinance777 You seem to be the type of person who thinks they are somehow better than another if you can insult them - you certainly have an inflated ego. Don't bother replying because I wont answer you again.
Please define how you decided he had more ego, that is a typical cop out catch cry of this lineage when seriously challenged, utter nonsense. With no ego , no man, the zen budhhist concept "strip away your ego" was for monks sitting on their arse all day, The zen samurai had fierce ego's.
Adam Mizner is an Australian, and I know his teachers, and he did not have too many years training before creating his Heaven Man Earth cult, it is pure bollocks he is just an ordinary taiji teacher, better than some worse than others, with clever youtube marketing, setting up a pyramid teaching franchise empire he created a true multi level pyramid marketing scheme and cult, well done, he certainly is clever, even if his taiji is unexceptional in reality. He gets ten points out of ten for business acumen. And he did not go to business school and has no MBA a real talent unlike his taiji, which is par for the modern chi one touch punch nonsense magic.
@@xBTx When he was still in Queensland associates of Patrick Kelly, No famous Chinese masters or anyone you would have heard of. Just Locals in the Northern NSW and Queensland regions. He got his street cred by getting into the Huang Shen Shyan students inner circle, there is a few clips of him at the memorial push hands meets, the main protagonist is a Malaysian Chinese teacher who was a joke , the main fall Guy for Huang's, and Patrick Kelly's mythical video performances , he does spectacular somersaults and method acting falls, he is now a Huang guru, it pays to be obediant and persevere,he has a trade and career now for falling over, and people listen with bated breath on his every secret internal method utterances. , others who are in the racket and who teach and perpetuate the myth also were all in welcoming him, into the Huang Alumni, though Huang was well dead before he ever started doing taiji. I can tell you Huang really milked the cash out the so called Gweilo gurus and his inner circle you paid a lot of money and obeyed his every word to get in on the scam and spread his mythological nonsense.
@@HolyChaoMu that's your take on criticism of a conman, if you like seeing people taken for a ride and fleeced of large sums of money and have no ethical issues with it. might I suggest you are a sociopath, with no conscience.
Ken do you now what your talking abouth this is 2008 he is a guy that is really training tai chi not bullshit tai chi. Just look better and if you dont have the knowledge you cannot even see what is real tai chi. So better say nothing and improve your own tai chi. You better start training real tai chi becouse the rest is just exercise you can train it 100 years and nothing happen.
Its not disappearing it is neutralising... When you try Fa a person who is capable of neutralising then the fa won't work of course naturally but then it changes to another technique at a split second.. wether it be cai, lu , lie etc..... thats where the skill lies being changeable in taiji
push hands is a drill. He's made that his "thing". But honestly it's for losers. He's not magic, his students just need a father figure. Yes balance drills are nice, but if you aren't actually hitting this is just playing pretend and entertaining bored people who lack physical prowess and purpose in life.
It is easy to look good with a compliant person or your own students. Always wanted to see Adam push with a good person who wasn’t his student. He looks like every other teacher and not effortlessly tossing people around which I found hard to believe.
True, but he's still right about people not moving there feet in tiu shou, it is a disease.
might be wrong, but it could fit into his narrative/description that when people are on similar song levels than its better to have a tea, or its gonna be about ego-s and li. but definitely agree that its refreshing to see him not with students, we need more videos like this.
id also love to know if the vid was uploaded 5 years ago, how is that every single comment is from the last couple of days. Is it just getting viral now somehow in the taiji community? :D
@@tamasmeszlenyi4591 👏
😆 I've heard about this tea for a while now ☕
He was still in his 20's during this video. You've never seen someone being compliant with him and most the videos you see aren't even his students. If you wanna get better at anything you have to test yourself and you will lose plenty of times
Thanks for sharing. Watch the posture and use of li. Lowering physical center happens when one is less song than the opponent. Nice how they stayed respectful, stayed calm, and followed the rules (e.g. no neck grabbing)
Song 🎵? Ting tong Ding dong
Can you refer me to the official taiji push hands rule book? Never knew one existed. Neck grabbing is a legitimate fighting method, do you prefer one step in,one step out and turn about or wack paddy wack or whatever the old childrens dances were in the sixties. Taiji is a combat martial art despite the disillusioned who think it is a love fest cosmic meditation.
From 2008. I’m not for or against but people who dismiss others because they didn’t come out of the womb with skills should probably stop hating and think about how they themselves have learned and progressed over the last 14 years! The desire of people to tear others down to make themselves feel better never ceases to amaze. Happy 2022 all!
Not hating but fighting misinformation and profiteering from susceptible gullible mostly middle age men out of condition who do not want to face reality of the brutishness of fighting, or born again new age hippies living in la la land.
Good to see Adam actually getting a hard time!
😆
Facts- I've never seen Adam struggle like this.
He has better timing and body placement and at one point you can see him uproot both feet of his partner in the early minutes. In control for most of the exchange but as someone else said its much harder to get a similar issue with people of comparable skill
I wouldn't call it "struggling". He is being challenged, but thru the video i see him holding true to his principles - he is song, and not really relying on leverage and physical dynamics as much as Master Chew. Nonetheless, he is facing a more skilled opponent, but still this was a while back. Very interesting video !
@@11arkasha11 Yes, I noticed that Adam Mizner maintained an air of calm and repose while his opponent (Chew, whoever that is) seemed much more earnest.
@@HighFinance777 That is hardly surprising. Both Adam Mizner and Patrick Kelly think of themselves as spiritual teachers consequently they are very likely to avoid fighting.
@@HighFinance777 "real combat situations...." That says more about you than about them.
looks like Malaysia, lots of high level Huang guys down there, go touch hands with em.
Waste of time, with Huang cultists always full of lames excuses and larger than life Huang stories.
I can tell you some real stories of Master Huang you do not want to hear about his greed and utter contempt for gullible students.
If I want a massage happy ending, I'll pick a girl.
@@davidm9618 An admirable suggestion, I concur fully with the learned gentleman, in Thailand where his Holiness the Sifu Llama himself Lord Adam MIzner nee the reincarnation of ,chang seng fen is no to temporarily reside in his earthly home, there is an abundance of nubile wenches to offer such soothing supplications to ones tired love muscle.
@@davidm9618 admirable sentiments I fully concur with the wise learned gentleman, he obviously knows the secrets of close body to body combat!
Hard for Adam to win. Either his videos are with compliant students or he is struggling with older senior masters higher up his lineage but holding his ground. What is impressive is he was very young her and had not been training long but was still invited to demo at an important event for his lineage, as far as I know. I am also sure he was giving face. For those of us who trained in Asia we know that is important.
He was getting owned. You could see the frustration in his face. He can only perform his ‘magic’ on the highly paid or extremely gullible
Um... Adam founded his international school in 2004. This video is supposedly from 2008.
So, the statement "had not been training long" seems incorrect. At this point in the video, he was already nearly a decade deep into the practice based on the timelines.
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma ummm isn't it possible he got quite a lot better in the last 14 years of training full time?
@@joshpickles9022 seeing as how he never pushes anyone with any real resistance, we’ll never know
Good push hands
This is fascinating to see!
Adam Mizner has improved a lot over the years. You can see here that he is advanced compared to most people, but still has a long way to go.
puah hands is a drill, not for snake oil and not for some low grade sumo match.
That’s the first time I’ve seen Adam pushing with a non compliant opponent. Does anyone know where this happened or anything about his opponents?
Non compliant? Complying with?
This was also posted on his school page. I'll see if i can find his reply
I think he said it was 5 or ten years ago
Looks like Malaysia and he apparently had been doing this for hours with many teachers.
@@timbushnell8964 2008
Good to see this, fed up with his compliant hopping students indulging him.
That kind of video just mislead people what is Taichi and what is real
Buddy this video is 14 years old. He apparently made good use of his time since then.
@@HolyChaoMu Buddy, he apparently made good use of picking compliant, unskilled, out-of-shape, old, or weak people. In a real fight, he'd be knocked out before the bell stopped ringing.
adam was in tough moments defending here, but still it seemed to me he hold back for a few very good times when attacking. anyway, the best thing to me is that he went for it with a taoist mind and didnt get angry or whatever
Keep telling yourself that 😂😂
I think he is good only till when the people are compliant.
Here for the 1st and only time we see training with people out of the routine peng lu ji an...so ..
My opinion.
👍🤣😂😉
I wonder what the ref is for. Seems like smiles all round. I feel injured just watching it though. Some things got to hurt in the morning.
there is little rough stuff here if you think anyone was hurt you should watch a real mainland China push hands or even sanda tournament where real bones are broken and injuries occur frequently.
@@HighFinance777 I’ve never seen push hands get that rough, any vids you have?
@@nickcarroll8565 Yes I have nearly broken a leg in push hands and sustained many sprains and bruises, push hands in china is not actually the imagined fairy fluff that those in the west believe it is but plain sparring that is sanshou as opposed to going through official method practice where in tradition methods are repeated over and over. It seems to be that those from the Chen tradition face realistically what fighting is all about Yang and Wu and SUn traditions are a mixed bag, depends whether teacher can fight or is able teach fighting or is a general Beijing Wushu Institute inspired peace and well being through taiji individual. Many bleieve that this is the original intention , it was not before the 1930s or 40s taiji was straight out combat art before then. Then when guns became available in China the Taiji shifu's found it difficult to find student so embraced the wider population and repackaged their systems. Yang Cheng fu,states as much in his book on his system. Unfortunately the world over push hands was destroyed by Chen man ching, who was a real practitioner who had to modify his teachings in the sixties and seventies in USA to appease his students who were mostly hippies and alternative lifestyler's not martial artists. It is evident by comparing his Taiwan push hands videos to his New York, a vast difference. Incidentally from watching Adam Mizner and Chew I see no evidence of any reason why anyone would be sored bruised or even slightly perturbed it was a spirited but fairly polite exchange in which no real fighting was done , it was all kept well within the confines of narrow non combat deflection/yeield/weight transfer/off balance, training associated with students who are adept at the push hands drills and wish to try their hand in a non combative way. There is more aggressive push hands on youtube; I will post links; none involve Mr Mizner but he does have a promo video where he allegedly demolishes an attack from a fighter but it is a choreographed promo video.
@@HighFinance777 thanks bro
@@nickcarroll8565 It takes a bit of time to find youtube videos if you do not bookmark them as google deliberately obfuscates the youtube search to promote its biggest money earners not necessarily most interesting videos, which is a shock to many that popularity does not mean quality but often trash. Anyway, if I can manage to unearth some more aggressive pushands I will try if I can leave links here. But I have not much time. I am doing this at 6 am before the day as it is.
这是推手?
this only means that the white shirt guy is at least as good as him. if you watch carefully.
Then both of them are awful at performing a useless round of patty cake.
Fifteen years on...obviously his skill has developed...Not quite so much 'Invest in loss' here, it would appear. But... they have skills.
Horse shat. Obviously, his skill at choosing weak old small people has improved. In a real fight, he'd be knocked out before the bell stopped ringing.
We haven’t seen mizner push against anyone none compliant since then. What makes you think he’s gotten better?
It’s sad that someone who’s actually competed gets sucked into the mizner nonsense
exemple classique de force grossière (gang) ou est le yin qui prépare le yang ou est l'élasticité du neijia ou du tongbei, ou est l'esprit des tuishou de l'ancienne tradition?
这很正常啊，如果功力相当，推手不会好看。
A different story!
The video is from 2008, a lot of things have change, and for the most part nowadays the people Adam pushes around are teachers in their own right, including competitors of different martial arts.
I experienced a one on one session with one of Adam Mizners senior students and official teachers of his school, and he was ok, at Adams tricks, they are really easily neutralised and to fall into his traps you have to play along, you can just simply disengage and punch they have no answer, I know this is not push hand rules but push hands is useless if not practical in real life.
@@HighFinance777 Exactly, nobody is going to stand there with outstretched arms so the Tai Chi guy can do his little routine. All of this silk reeling nonsense is useless when a straight right is coming at your face with 30 mph.
@@CynicalSnowflake Thanks afters years almost 20 years or more of drinking the push hands cool aid and then training with a real internal martial artist who was a east end London Doorman and security guard, he did not stuff around, he basically lost a lot of push hands tournaments to big fat guys who just pushed him hard and he could not really use martial arts, push hands is really just a practice drill it bears no resemblance to fighting, Mizners amazing touch is silly just let go and whop him upside the head silly bastard complete nonsense.
Maybe this oriental opponent was very experienced at push hands but good to see that Mr Mizner is not superhuman after all! The oriental guy seems to have more ego than Adam and it seems to me that as the contest goes on Adam is more able to neutralise his opponents ego and remain undisturbed. Very grateful to see a more honest film of Adam Mizner.
@@HighFinance777 May the sun dump all your bitcoin.
@@HighFinance777 You seem to be the type of person who thinks they are somehow better than another if you can insult them - you certainly have an inflated ego. Don't bother replying because I wont answer you again.
bollocks😂
Please define how you decided he had more ego, that is a typical cop out catch cry of this lineage when seriously challenged, utter nonsense. With no ego , no man, the zen budhhist concept "strip away your ego" was for monks sitting on their arse all day, The zen samurai had fierce ego's.
Investing in loss
Yes a good example of the earlier days.
Sifu Adam Mizners skill has significantly increased since 2008.
HME Sydney, yes no doubt! But his opponent also seems to be quite skilled.
@@patrickschlageter7561 well said $!
yes, he's learned never to push with anyone but compliant students, smart marketing
Video from the same(2008) year , if I'm not mistaken : czcams.com/users/clipUgkx6AOhbxHNjSXriTLFvM2A5nZ2nIo7uk8r
@@7511maxim it's a bit easier to make it look good with a student ;)
Adam Mizner is an Australian, and I know his teachers, and he did not have too many years training before creating his Heaven Man Earth cult, it is pure bollocks he is just an ordinary taiji teacher, better than some worse than others, with clever youtube marketing, setting up a pyramid teaching franchise empire he created a true multi level pyramid marketing scheme and cult, well done, he certainly is clever, even if his taiji is unexceptional in reality. He gets ten points out of ten for business acumen. And he did not go to business school and has no MBA a real talent unlike his taiji, which is par for the modern chi one touch punch nonsense magic.
Who are his teachers?
@@xBTx When he was still in Queensland associates of Patrick Kelly, No famous Chinese masters or anyone you would have heard of. Just Locals in the Northern NSW and Queensland regions. He got his street cred by getting into the Huang Shen Shyan students inner circle, there is a few clips of him at the memorial push hands meets, the main protagonist is a Malaysian Chinese teacher who was a joke , the main fall Guy for Huang's, and Patrick Kelly's mythical video performances , he does spectacular somersaults and method acting falls, he is now a Huang guru, it pays to be obediant and persevere,he has a trade and career now for falling over, and people listen with bated breath on his every secret internal method utterances. , others who are in the racket and who teach and perpetuate the myth also were all in welcoming him, into the Huang Alumni, though Huang was well dead before he ever started doing taiji. I can tell you Huang really milked the cash out the so called Gweilo gurus and his inner circle you paid a lot of money and obeyed his every word to get in on the scam and spread his mythological nonsense.
Why so bitter?
@@HolyChaoMu that's your take on criticism of a conman, if you like seeing people taken for a ride and fleeced of large sums of money and have no ethical issues with it. might I suggest you are a sociopath, with no conscience.
@@HighFinance777 Terrible bitterness... something must have caused this within you ?
Adam isn't very good, is he, when pushing with someone who isn't playing along with the fantasy.
For sure
Ken do you now what your talking abouth this is 2008 he is a guy that is really training tai chi not bullshit tai chi.
Just look better and if you dont have the knowledge you cannot even see what is real tai chi. So better say nothing and improve your own tai chi.
You better start training real tai chi becouse the rest is just exercise you can train it 100 years and nothing happen.
I've never liked Adam. That said he would toss you Ken.
@@andrewgohring7625 An interesting comment from someone who doesn't know me. Feel better?
@@KenGullette The same could be said about your comment towards Adam. How daft and obtuse.
Seems that fa jing disappears against resistance.
Its not disappearing it is neutralising... When you try Fa a person who is capable of neutralising then the fa won't work of course naturally but then it changes to another technique at a split second.. wether it be cai, lu , lie etc..... thats where the skill lies being changeable in taiji
@@richarddeerflame we never see that though
push hands is a drill. He's made that his "thing". But honestly it's for losers. He's not magic, his students just need a father figure. Yes balance drills are nice, but if you aren't actually hitting this is just playing pretend and entertaining bored people who lack physical prowess and purpose in life.