Honestly, could you remind me why clown car is good in that deck? I remember hearing about some kind of synergy with it but I can’t remember/find what it was. It’s a very cute card and I want to find a place to run it if I can :P
@Qazplm601MC so clown car casting cost is X. So typically you never use any mana for it. X = 0. All you want is that crew ability to tap the dwarves to generate treasures. It's the cheapest way of getting the tap ability
I think the prime example of this is Slicer, Hired Muscle. Some random voltron commander that people don't understand how to fight against, and it just steals games from people.
i still disagree with the rules for Slicer, because you are putting him under an opponents control and the equipment equipped onto him stay on him and are not "aura's" but equipment is treated like "aura's" and the only equipment that works likes that because of how it's worded is Bloodthristy Blade. And unless i'm mistaken, if the player has a way to sacrifice artifacts, they can sacrifice the artifacts equipped on Slicer.
@@MageSkeleton they cannot sacrifice equipment on Slicer. They control 'him', but can't activate abilities of, nor do they have control of, any equipment on him. Which is also how auras are treated as well.
Definitely a promising commander, i love what he does, but the numbers don't like. However, there are people playing him in ways that are so strange you'd think they were playing to lose and it messes with the statistics. i feel like he should be performing better than he seems to be but somehow every other mono color commander option is in the same % rate.
Do you mean, k‘rrik son of yawgmotj, industry plant of magic the gathering? I fully agree, what k‘rrik can do is pretty sick in some cases. There are some cases where you just win out right when drawing your first hand but you can also get pretty screwed more time Ethan I want to admit. Still a very satisfying playstyle
I would love an episode on what cEDH tournaments look like and how they are run. Just proxied up my first deck and interested in joining some in a few months
@Dark-Pikachu1 why did you respond to me when you already responded to them? In case you didn't know, some CEDH tournaments are proxy friendly. Please don't respond thanks 😃 have a good day
With the shut down of more and more LGS's, doing an "in person" Cedh tournament becomes more difficult. While there are locations that are "proxy friendly" this could mean "only pretty proxies that look like the card it's meant to represent" or "as long as you have a real physical version of the card" which contradicts the whole "proxy friendly" thing, or "You can only proxy reserved list cards." At my LGS they simultaneously told me "we're proxy friendly" and while i didn't get DQ'd, i was punished for using proxies because they made sure to slow me down to ensure everyone knew what each proxy was representing while requiring me to play within a special "time limit" where they successfully ensured i ran out of time to present my "win." And i only needed 10 more seconds.
This is both correct and confusing to me. In other constructed formats, I feel like opponents sometimes give too much respect to the unknown. If you Thoughtseize your opponent in Legacy and see a Didgeridoo in their hand, it's getting discarded 90% of the time because you don't want to lose to some random combo. If you don't know how a deck wins, wouldn't that make it even more of a threat? For all you know, they can win out of nowhere at instant speed.
It's a 4 player format, and all the strongest decks can win out of nowhere at nearly any time. Turbo naus, thoracle etc. You don't have the cards in hand to police the entire board so you have to hedge against the threats you know can win on any of their turns after they get to three mana.
Bad example, commander is meant to be a four player game, though can be five or three players in a "pod." Removal is normally "spot removal" and has to be used wisely. With that said, it's a strange phenomenon where players psychologically want to see what the thing does before formulating a plan. Think of it like playing Dark Souls and learning your opponent through losing to it multiple times before making a "winning attempt." So theoretically, someone could go into tournament with an "unknown commander" to the environment and just "get the win" as long as the opponents are confused to why your bringing that commander.
This is why ppl say I don't build casually. No one knows wth I'm up to until it's to late. The other day, the blue player just started countering everything I did because, and I quote "I don't know man..." 😂
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The purpheros goblin aggro deck from the Japanese tournament that just happened that made the final 4 is the prime example. Even if you know what they are doing, if your deck, even the collective tables decks don't have enough of the tools to stop the strategy it can just cut through you like a hot knife through butter. You can have a full grip and 14 treasures but if all you have is a single piece of creature removal or a counterspell that MIGHT be able to stop 1 creature you die with all of your "massive advantage" kicked off. It's great
I took a page from a Dargo / Jeska I saw here to pump my Bruce tarl/ Jeska. One shooting people in turn 4 is awesome and making a ton of life even better.
Not to mention that people who love this game also don't have access to funds, like me being a full time college student, in order to want to compete at such a high level
This is completely true! I play Yawgmoth and when I say I don't run ad nas or peer [I know it's a design mistake] they don't know what to name with shutdown OR they don't know what cards to grab while grasping my library.
There's a similar concept in fighting games that i call the "low tier advantage". Everyone obsesses over the best characters, how to beat them, blah blah blah Meanwhile, greg over there is playing a super niche thing that turns out to be a rattlesnake but no one knew because it got dismissed early on. It's the little things, people
I took third in a small cedh tournament with bruvac. Granted it doesn’t really fit in this example because everyone knows what you’ll be doing with bruvac. That is till you iso+dramatic reversal into brain freeze, or something silly like that.
Varragth is a prime examaple such a glass cannon but 2 top 16s. People just dont expect it. I mean us also have to be skilled with the rouge deck for sure.
That’s why I want to make Daretti Scrap Savant CEDH viable. The value is so strong it’s crazy how good his recycle abilities are. Oh you made me wheel a high mana creature like phyrexian triniform? Cool I’ll minus daretti trading an artifact land for it.
I’ve won multiple cEDH games with Mangara of Corondor because people underestimate monowhite. I call my deck perfect silence because my opponents generally have literally no permanents on the board
i used to play Teshar ancestors apostle, and after a while i realized it's fatal flaw. While it's amazing and fun to go infinite with Sol Ring and being able to use Salvager of Ruin and Lotus Petal for infinite white mana EVERYTHING Teshar wants to do requires the graveyard. While white has access to some of the best removal spells in the game, they were getting in the way. As you know, "white" and "card draw" was not normal. And basically if you never saw Enlightened Tutor, Idyllic Tutor, Search the Armory and/or Steelcrafters Gift you were toast. And even then, as soon as your graveyard went away, you were normally set back at least one turn. Mono Black does not have this issue.
This might be why i won the last couple of games playing my glunch deck (casual commander, not cEDH). They just dont know how i win so they leave me alone while i give them goodies and eventually win with a +1/+1 counters strategy or voltron. And politics is still a thing in casual games
My budget (200$) CEDH Satoru deck has won and almost won a concerning amount of games just by playing cards people don't expect that I have BC of budget. Turns out flickering Alhemeret repeatedly to police hands is good.
I speak on behalf of orvar, and that deck has won me the most games out of all my cedh decks I've built. Been cedh since 2019 and orvar has the highest % win rate for me. Can be budget friendly too
They don't know what to do? Magic players net deck so hard that they can't beat people who are actually original? Dude that's so pathetic, if that happens sell your cards and stop "competing" you weren't to begin with.
It’s more that mono color decks will run very específic combos that only appear in that commander, so you can’t really expect people to know every single obscure combo piece, as opposed to the common ones in other colors. You’ll have mono color combo pieces that go for 50 cents because they’re useless in every other deck, but generates infinite mana/storm/etb etc in that specific commander, so it’s easy to be caught by surprise
Magda definitely shook my LGS cEDH scene so hard, it was funny. Clown car got the exact reactions I anticipated.
Honestly, could you remind me why clown car is good in that deck? I remember hearing about some kind of synergy with it but I can’t remember/find what it was. It’s a very cute card and I want to find a place to run it if I can :P
@Qazplm601MC so clown car casting cost is X. So typically you never use any mana for it. X = 0. All you want is that crew ability to tap the dwarves to generate treasures. It's the cheapest way of getting the tap ability
Clown car could also technically double as a win con in emergency if you have infinite mana it's very niche case but it happens 😅
Clown car is one of my favorite cards lol, I run it in both my purphoros deck and my mr house deck
I think the prime example of this is Slicer, Hired Muscle. Some random voltron commander that people don't understand how to fight against, and it just steals games from people.
Love my slicer deck!
i still disagree with the rules for Slicer, because you are putting him under an opponents control and the equipment equipped onto him stay on him and are not "aura's" but equipment is treated like "aura's" and the only equipment that works likes that because of how it's worded is Bloodthristy Blade. And unless i'm mistaken, if the player has a way to sacrifice artifacts, they can sacrifice the artifacts equipped on Slicer.
@@MageSkeleton they cannot sacrifice equipment on Slicer. They control 'him', but can't activate abilities of, nor do they have control of, any equipment on him. Which is also how auras are treated as well.
This is usually referred to as the brewers' advantage
The Veracious Codex sure did a thing, sad it's a "gimmick deck."
As a K’rrik, Black Hole Son of Yawmoth player, I’m very excited for this podcast.
Definitely a promising commander, i love what he does, but the numbers don't like. However, there are people playing him in ways that are so strange you'd think they were playing to lose and it messes with the statistics. i feel like he should be performing better than he seems to be but somehow every other mono color commander option is in the same % rate.
Do you mean, k‘rrik son of yawgmotj, industry plant of magic the gathering?
I fully agree, what k‘rrik can do is pretty sick in some cases. There are some cases where you just win out right when drawing your first hand but you can also get pretty screwed more time Ethan I want to admit. Still a very satisfying playstyle
I would love an episode on what cEDH tournaments look like and how they are run. Just proxied up my first deck and interested in joining some in a few months
This sounds cool
Hate tell you going get game lost for having proxy in your deck
@@Niv-Mozartto bad he gets DQ for having proxy and can’t play
@Dark-Pikachu1 why did you respond to me when you already responded to them? In case you didn't know, some CEDH tournaments are proxy friendly. Please don't respond thanks 😃 have a good day
With the shut down of more and more LGS's, doing an "in person" Cedh tournament becomes more difficult. While there are locations that are "proxy friendly" this could mean "only pretty proxies that look like the card it's meant to represent" or "as long as you have a real physical version of the card" which contradicts the whole "proxy friendly" thing, or "You can only proxy reserved list cards." At my LGS they simultaneously told me "we're proxy friendly" and while i didn't get DQ'd, i was punished for using proxies because they made sure to slow me down to ensure everyone knew what each proxy was representing while requiring me to play within a special "time limit" where they successfully ensured i ran out of time to present my "win." And i only needed 10 more seconds.
This is both correct and confusing to me. In other constructed formats, I feel like opponents sometimes give too much respect to the unknown. If you Thoughtseize your opponent in Legacy and see a Didgeridoo in their hand, it's getting discarded 90% of the time because you don't want to lose to some random combo.
If you don't know how a deck wins, wouldn't that make it even more of a threat? For all you know, they can win out of nowhere at instant speed.
It's a 4 player format, and all the strongest decks can win out of nowhere at nearly any time. Turbo naus, thoracle etc. You don't have the cards in hand to police the entire board so you have to hedge against the threats you know can win on any of their turns after they get to three mana.
No. In multiplayer you’d take care of the drannith magistrate or use your Counter on Lions Eye Diamond.
Bad example, commander is meant to be a four player game, though can be five or three players in a "pod." Removal is normally "spot removal" and has to be used wisely. With that said, it's a strange phenomenon where players psychologically want to see what the thing does before formulating a plan. Think of it like playing Dark Souls and learning your opponent through losing to it multiple times before making a "winning attempt." So theoretically, someone could go into tournament with an "unknown commander" to the environment and just "get the win" as long as the opponents are confused to why your bringing that commander.
15 winota decks, 15 thrasios/bruce decks but just the 1 Kinnan deck, that’s Tyler!😂
My first round at my first cedh tournament that table got dunked on by a tromokratis turns deck. It was very unexpected
Controlling the flow of information is so important in CEDH
This is why ppl say I don't build casually.
No one knows wth I'm up to until it's to late. The other day, the blue player just started countering everything I did because, and I quote "I don't know man..." 😂
Command tower? No, I just use Forest!
It’s also coz they are faster less emphasis on fetching etc
Teshar may be winning less because people know how he works but my boy is just as fun to play as he was back then
Vito is my go-to. Half of a two card combo, Chain of Smog, Aetherflux Reservoir, and every tutor I could cram in it. Does insane for the budget.
Damn, my man graduated from sadboy indie songwriter to Jurassic Park fan.
The full episode should be the description or a pinned comment.
Suggestion for future shorts. Could you add the video under this short? That way I and many others can click on it and watch your longer vids rather than trying to find it
The purpheros goblin aggro deck from the Japanese tournament that just happened that made the final 4 is the prime example. Even if you know what they are doing, if your deck, even the collective tables decks don't have enough of the tools to stop the strategy it can just cut through you like a hot knife through butter. You can have a full grip and 14 treasures but if all you have is a single piece of creature removal or a counterspell that MIGHT be able to stop 1 creature you die with all of your "massive advantage" kicked off. It's great
ARCUM WILL RISE AGAIN 🤖
My casual edh opponents often ask me, how I am supposed to win. But I assume they don't mean that as a compliment :-/
I took a page from a Dargo / Jeska I saw here to pump my Bruce tarl/ Jeska. One shooting people in turn 4 is awesome and making a ton of life even better.
Too much sauce in this clip. as a mono color lover in this game i can totally agree. its fun suprising them!
Had a blast playing Arcum at some large tournaments! Of course just because players are not familiar doesn't mean they won't be very suspicious 😂😂
Kodama of the West Tree has been a build that has dropped a lot of power on the board and has taken over tables
Not to mention that people who love this game also don't have access to funds, like me being a full time college student, in order to want to compete at such a high level
good thing top cEDH is proxy friendly, you just print out a deck easy. funds dont matter
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Your content is very inspiring ❤
This is definetly the case with Ao. I still don't know why any of it's cards work.
This is completely true! I play Yawgmoth and when I say I don't run ad nas or peer [I know it's a design mistake] they don't know what to name with shutdown OR they don't know what cards to grab while grasping my library.
I genuinely considered bringing my gandalf the white to my local tournament
There's a similar concept in fighting games that i call the "low tier advantage". Everyone obsesses over the best characters, how to beat them, blah blah blah
Meanwhile, greg over there is playing a super niche thing that turns out to be a rattlesnake but no one knew because it got dismissed early on. It's the little things, people
I took third in a small cedh tournament with bruvac. Granted it doesn’t really fit in this example because everyone knows what you’ll be doing with bruvac. That is till you iso+dramatic reversal into brain freeze, or something silly like that.
Teshar also just goes Infinite on accident almost
Godo is a perfect example of this. Turn 1-2 you bring him out, next turn you just win the game if there's no haste inabler.
I've always kinda wanted to try out cedh but have no idea where to start, do you guys have any tips?
Godo bandit warlord is a helluva drug 😂
What episode of the podcast is this from?
Teferi mono blue planeswalker took the same tournament back to back years. Dont remember which tourney, but still cool
Varragth is a prime examaple such a glass cannon but 2 top 16s. People just dont expect it. I mean us also have to be skilled with the rouge deck for sure.
Play the best cards vs brewers advantage?
Yeah I learned first hand from my buddy’s Azusa deck I’ve seen it kill the table on turn 4
My simic kinnan deck is undefeated at any locals I go to, I can win in the pre-game with a counter spell for protection, but usually I win turn 2-4
That’s why I want to make Daretti Scrap Savant CEDH viable. The value is so strong it’s crazy how good his recycle abilities are. Oh you made me wheel a high mana creature like phyrexian triniform? Cool I’ll minus daretti trading an artifact land for it.
I love playing Selvala heart of the wilds in cedh
I’ve won multiple cEDH games with Mangara of Corondor because people underestimate monowhite. I call my deck perfect silence because my opponents generally have literally no permanents on the board
So should I play Kinnan or Selvala for my first tournament?
What episode is this short?
Most likely the upcoming one
It's hard for my opponents to figure out my next move, because I haven't either.
Nissa resurgent animist 😊
Joke’s on you, I play Elenda. I don’t HAVE a game plan, i just throw cards into the fire and see how big a boom I get
I would have said it's because they have a more stable mana base.
i used to play Teshar ancestors apostle, and after a while i realized it's fatal flaw. While it's amazing and fun to go infinite with Sol Ring and being able to use Salvager of Ruin and Lotus Petal for infinite white mana EVERYTHING Teshar wants to do requires the graveyard. While white has access to some of the best removal spells in the game, they were getting in the way. As you know, "white" and "card draw" was not normal. And basically if you never saw Enlightened Tutor, Idyllic Tutor, Search the Armory and/or Steelcrafters Gift you were toast. And even then, as soon as your graveyard went away, you were normally set back at least one turn. Mono Black does not have this issue.
This might be why i won the last couple of games playing my glunch deck (casual commander, not cEDH). They just dont know how i win so they leave me alone while i give them goodies and eventually win with a +1/+1 counters strategy or voltron. And politics is still a thing in casual games
My budget (200$) CEDH Satoru deck has won and almost won a concerning amount of games just by playing cards people don't expect that I have BC of budget. Turns out flickering Alhemeret repeatedly to police hands is good.
Not sure if it’s good, but Orvar seems sick to build
I speak on behalf of orvar, and that deck has won me the most games out of all my cedh decks I've built. Been cedh since 2019 and orvar has the highest % win rate for me. Can be budget friendly too
I still wandering how to Win with my teshar deck 😢
I just did shockingly well with a Sram Aura Voltron deck…
I play soo much mono red these days lol 😂 I steal wins constantly
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Glances at my Ao deck
Mono is great against blood moon!
An inbred meta that’s constantly shifting that’s why creature base decks have done so well I would know I’m winning with one
If you don't know what a card does in a format you know well, be very afraid.
Sounds like coping
Gaslighting each other because y’all lost to monocolored decks lolz
They don't know what to do? Magic players net deck so hard that they can't beat people who are actually original? Dude that's so pathetic, if that happens sell your cards and stop "competing" you weren't to begin with.
It’s more that mono color decks will run very específic combos that only appear in that commander, so you can’t really expect people to know every single obscure combo piece, as opposed to the common ones in other colors. You’ll have mono color combo pieces that go for 50 cents because they’re useless in every other deck, but generates infinite mana/storm/etb etc in that specific commander, so it’s easy to be caught by surprise
Simultaneously explained why cedh is garbage.