WHY MONO COLOR DECKS WIN cEDH TOURNAMENTS

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  • @jasoncook2715
    @jasoncook2715 Před rokem +210

    Magda definitely shook my LGS cEDH scene so hard, it was funny. Clown car got the exact reactions I anticipated.

    • @Qazplm601MC
      @Qazplm601MC Před rokem +2

      Honestly, could you remind me why clown car is good in that deck? I remember hearing about some kind of synergy with it but I can’t remember/find what it was. It’s a very cute card and I want to find a place to run it if I can :P

    • @jasoncook2715
      @jasoncook2715 Před rokem +18

      @Qazplm601MC so clown car casting cost is X. So typically you never use any mana for it. X = 0. All you want is that crew ability to tap the dwarves to generate treasures. It's the cheapest way of getting the tap ability

    • @ecos889
      @ecos889 Před 5 měsíci

      Clown car could also technically double as a win con in emergency if you have infinite mana it's very niche case but it happens 😅

    • @Garwinium
      @Garwinium Před 28 dny

      Clown car is one of my favorite cards lol, I run it in both my purphoros deck and my mr house deck

  • @Level_1_Frog
    @Level_1_Frog Před rokem +110

    I think the prime example of this is Slicer, Hired Muscle. Some random voltron commander that people don't understand how to fight against, and it just steals games from people.

    • @JB-tp8we
      @JB-tp8we Před 5 měsíci +1

      Love my slicer deck!

    • @MageSkeleton
      @MageSkeleton Před 2 měsíci +1

      i still disagree with the rules for Slicer, because you are putting him under an opponents control and the equipment equipped onto him stay on him and are not "aura's" but equipment is treated like "aura's" and the only equipment that works likes that because of how it's worded is Bloodthristy Blade. And unless i'm mistaken, if the player has a way to sacrifice artifacts, they can sacrifice the artifacts equipped on Slicer.

    • @Level_1_Frog
      @Level_1_Frog Před 2 měsíci +8

      @@MageSkeleton they cannot sacrifice equipment on Slicer. They control 'him', but can't activate abilities of, nor do they have control of, any equipment on him. Which is also how auras are treated as well.

  • @jphorn1223
    @jphorn1223 Před rokem +38

    This is usually referred to as the brewers' advantage

    • @MageSkeleton
      @MageSkeleton Před 2 měsíci

      The Veracious Codex sure did a thing, sad it's a "gimmick deck."

  • @ethanm2592
    @ethanm2592 Před rokem +61

    As a K’rrik, Black Hole Son of Yawmoth player, I’m very excited for this podcast.

    • @MageSkeleton
      @MageSkeleton Před 2 měsíci

      Definitely a promising commander, i love what he does, but the numbers don't like. However, there are people playing him in ways that are so strange you'd think they were playing to lose and it messes with the statistics. i feel like he should be performing better than he seems to be but somehow every other mono color commander option is in the same % rate.

    • @metalbrother2671
      @metalbrother2671 Před měsícem

      Do you mean, k‘rrik son of yawgmotj, industry plant of magic the gathering?
      I fully agree, what k‘rrik can do is pretty sick in some cases. There are some cases where you just win out right when drawing your first hand but you can also get pretty screwed more time Ethan I want to admit. Still a very satisfying playstyle

  • @carettcake8752
    @carettcake8752 Před rokem +22

    I would love an episode on what cEDH tournaments look like and how they are run. Just proxied up my first deck and interested in joining some in a few months

    • @Niv-Mozart
      @Niv-Mozart Před 7 měsíci +1

      This sounds cool

    • @Dark-Pikachu1
      @Dark-Pikachu1 Před 2 měsíci

      Hate tell you going get game lost for having proxy in your deck

    • @Dark-Pikachu1
      @Dark-Pikachu1 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Niv-Mozartto bad he gets DQ for having proxy and can’t play

    • @Niv-Mozart
      @Niv-Mozart Před 2 měsíci +2

      @Dark-Pikachu1 why did you respond to me when you already responded to them? In case you didn't know, some CEDH tournaments are proxy friendly. Please don't respond thanks 😃 have a good day

    • @MageSkeleton
      @MageSkeleton Před 2 měsíci +1

      With the shut down of more and more LGS's, doing an "in person" Cedh tournament becomes more difficult. While there are locations that are "proxy friendly" this could mean "only pretty proxies that look like the card it's meant to represent" or "as long as you have a real physical version of the card" which contradicts the whole "proxy friendly" thing, or "You can only proxy reserved list cards." At my LGS they simultaneously told me "we're proxy friendly" and while i didn't get DQ'd, i was punished for using proxies because they made sure to slow me down to ensure everyone knew what each proxy was representing while requiring me to play within a special "time limit" where they successfully ensured i ran out of time to present my "win." And i only needed 10 more seconds.

  • @davidlerner1371
    @davidlerner1371 Před rokem +25

    This is both correct and confusing to me. In other constructed formats, I feel like opponents sometimes give too much respect to the unknown. If you Thoughtseize your opponent in Legacy and see a Didgeridoo in their hand, it's getting discarded 90% of the time because you don't want to lose to some random combo.
    If you don't know how a deck wins, wouldn't that make it even more of a threat? For all you know, they can win out of nowhere at instant speed.

    • @C00kiesAplenty
      @C00kiesAplenty Před rokem +9

      It's a 4 player format, and all the strongest decks can win out of nowhere at nearly any time. Turbo naus, thoracle etc. You don't have the cards in hand to police the entire board so you have to hedge against the threats you know can win on any of their turns after they get to three mana.

    • @benmughal
      @benmughal Před 9 měsíci +1

      No. In multiplayer you’d take care of the drannith magistrate or use your Counter on Lions Eye Diamond.

    • @MageSkeleton
      @MageSkeleton Před 2 měsíci

      Bad example, commander is meant to be a four player game, though can be five or three players in a "pod." Removal is normally "spot removal" and has to be used wisely. With that said, it's a strange phenomenon where players psychologically want to see what the thing does before formulating a plan. Think of it like playing Dark Souls and learning your opponent through losing to it multiple times before making a "winning attempt." So theoretically, someone could go into tournament with an "unknown commander" to the environment and just "get the win" as long as the opponents are confused to why your bringing that commander.

  • @brandonbonilla4844
    @brandonbonilla4844 Před rokem +21

    15 winota decks, 15 thrasios/bruce decks but just the 1 Kinnan deck, that’s Tyler!😂

  • @romancookie881
    @romancookie881 Před rokem +21

    My first round at my first cedh tournament that table got dunked on by a tromokratis turns deck. It was very unexpected

  • @MrFrankthefun
    @MrFrankthefun Před rokem +6

    Controlling the flow of information is so important in CEDH

  • @drew-id
    @drew-id Před 3 měsíci +2

    This is why ppl say I don't build casually.
    No one knows wth I'm up to until it's to late. The other day, the blue player just started countering everything I did because, and I quote "I don't know man..." 😂

  • @Bloody-Butterfly
    @Bloody-Butterfly Před rokem +4

    Command tower? No, I just use Forest!

  • @MrTiddles69
    @MrTiddles69 Před rokem +7

    It’s also coz they are faster less emphasis on fetching etc

  • @just_unnamed
    @just_unnamed Před rokem +2

    Teshar may be winning less because people know how he works but my boy is just as fun to play as he was back then

  • @damienpeters6004
    @damienpeters6004 Před měsícem

    Vito is my go-to. Half of a two card combo, Chain of Smog, Aetherflux Reservoir, and every tutor I could cram in it. Does insane for the budget.

  • @Skurvy2k
    @Skurvy2k Před rokem +1

    Damn, my man graduated from sadboy indie songwriter to Jurassic Park fan.

  • @williamoldaker5348
    @williamoldaker5348 Před 9 měsíci +2

    The full episode should be the description or a pinned comment.

  • @manny8404
    @manny8404 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Suggestion for future shorts. Could you add the video under this short? That way I and many others can click on it and watch your longer vids rather than trying to find it

  • @shawnleclerc7266
    @shawnleclerc7266 Před měsícem

    The purpheros goblin aggro deck from the Japanese tournament that just happened that made the final 4 is the prime example. Even if you know what they are doing, if your deck, even the collective tables decks don't have enough of the tools to stop the strategy it can just cut through you like a hot knife through butter. You can have a full grip and 14 treasures but if all you have is a single piece of creature removal or a counterspell that MIGHT be able to stop 1 creature you die with all of your "massive advantage" kicked off. It's great

  • @TravvyBear262
    @TravvyBear262 Před rokem +4

    ARCUM WILL RISE AGAIN 🤖

  • @SylveonSimp
    @SylveonSimp Před rokem +2

    My casual edh opponents often ask me, how I am supposed to win. But I assume they don't mean that as a compliment :-/

  • @mtgspanglish731
    @mtgspanglish731 Před rokem +1

    I took a page from a Dargo / Jeska I saw here to pump my Bruce tarl/ Jeska. One shooting people in turn 4 is awesome and making a ton of life even better.

  • @middknight5202
    @middknight5202 Před rokem +1

    Too much sauce in this clip. as a mono color lover in this game i can totally agree. its fun suprising them!

  • @Rallad
    @Rallad Před rokem

    Had a blast playing Arcum at some large tournaments! Of course just because players are not familiar doesn't mean they won't be very suspicious 😂😂

  • @dr.pultandmrgrimm991
    @dr.pultandmrgrimm991 Před rokem +1

    Kodama of the West Tree has been a build that has dropped a lot of power on the board and has taken over tables

    • @dr.pultandmrgrimm991
      @dr.pultandmrgrimm991 Před rokem

      Not to mention that people who love this game also don't have access to funds, like me being a full time college student, in order to want to compete at such a high level

    • @mikey420x1
      @mikey420x1 Před 7 měsíci

      good thing top cEDH is proxy friendly, you just print out a deck easy. funds dont matter
      @@dr.pultandmrgrimm991

  • @kidblunted
    @kidblunted Před rokem

    Your content is very inspiring ❤

  • @salamanteri_
    @salamanteri_ Před rokem +1

    This is definetly the case with Ao. I still don't know why any of it's cards work.

  • @andrewtaylor5883
    @andrewtaylor5883 Před 7 měsíci

    This is completely true! I play Yawgmoth and when I say I don't run ad nas or peer [I know it's a design mistake] they don't know what to name with shutdown OR they don't know what cards to grab while grasping my library.

  • @evanbodek6063
    @evanbodek6063 Před 6 měsíci

    I genuinely considered bringing my gandalf the white to my local tournament

  • @couchcommander5280
    @couchcommander5280 Před měsícem

    There's a similar concept in fighting games that i call the "low tier advantage". Everyone obsesses over the best characters, how to beat them, blah blah blah
    Meanwhile, greg over there is playing a super niche thing that turns out to be a rattlesnake but no one knew because it got dismissed early on. It's the little things, people

  • @checkthenutz
    @checkthenutz Před rokem

    I took third in a small cedh tournament with bruvac. Granted it doesn’t really fit in this example because everyone knows what you’ll be doing with bruvac. That is till you iso+dramatic reversal into brain freeze, or something silly like that.

  • @ghoulofmetal
    @ghoulofmetal Před rokem +1

    Teshar also just goes Infinite on accident almost

  • @roberthastings5969
    @roberthastings5969 Před rokem

    Godo is a perfect example of this. Turn 1-2 you bring him out, next turn you just win the game if there's no haste inabler.

  • @adrianmetz3013
    @adrianmetz3013 Před rokem

    I've always kinda wanted to try out cedh but have no idea where to start, do you guys have any tips?

  • @nerfinatorrr9981
    @nerfinatorrr9981 Před rokem

    Godo bandit warlord is a helluva drug 😂

  • @coppercorky1378
    @coppercorky1378 Před 2 měsíci

    What episode of the podcast is this from?

  • @Niv-Mozart
    @Niv-Mozart Před 7 měsíci

    Teferi mono blue planeswalker took the same tournament back to back years. Dont remember which tourney, but still cool

  • @BAdCommander
    @BAdCommander Před 8 měsíci

    Varragth is a prime examaple such a glass cannon but 2 top 16s. People just dont expect it. I mean us also have to be skilled with the rouge deck for sure.

  • @bensteinhauser784
    @bensteinhauser784 Před rokem +1

    Play the best cards vs brewers advantage?

  • @343omen
    @343omen Před rokem

    Yeah I learned first hand from my buddy’s Azusa deck I’ve seen it kill the table on turn 4

  • @modoverkill7066
    @modoverkill7066 Před 9 měsíci

    My simic kinnan deck is undefeated at any locals I go to, I can win in the pre-game with a counter spell for protection, but usually I win turn 2-4

  • @notimeleft1
    @notimeleft1 Před 2 měsíci

    That’s why I want to make Daretti Scrap Savant CEDH viable. The value is so strong it’s crazy how good his recycle abilities are. Oh you made me wheel a high mana creature like phyrexian triniform? Cool I’ll minus daretti trading an artifact land for it.

  • @abrahamzuniga3477
    @abrahamzuniga3477 Před 9 měsíci

    I love playing Selvala heart of the wilds in cedh

  • @warrenr4048
    @warrenr4048 Před 11 měsíci

    I’ve won multiple cEDH games with Mangara of Corondor because people underestimate monowhite. I call my deck perfect silence because my opponents generally have literally no permanents on the board

  • @vampirecmb
    @vampirecmb Před 8 měsíci

    So should I play Kinnan or Selvala for my first tournament?

  • @arandomguy4142
    @arandomguy4142 Před rokem +2

    What episode is this short?

  • @MrShnibles
    @MrShnibles Před 7 měsíci

    It's hard for my opponents to figure out my next move, because I haven't either.

  • @HispanicatthediscoMTG
    @HispanicatthediscoMTG Před měsícem

    Nissa resurgent animist 😊

  • @nedcurfman3486
    @nedcurfman3486 Před 11 měsíci

    Joke’s on you, I play Elenda. I don’t HAVE a game plan, i just throw cards into the fire and see how big a boom I get

  • @tcsmagicbox
    @tcsmagicbox Před 5 měsíci

    I would have said it's because they have a more stable mana base.

  • @MageSkeleton
    @MageSkeleton Před 2 měsíci

    i used to play Teshar ancestors apostle, and after a while i realized it's fatal flaw. While it's amazing and fun to go infinite with Sol Ring and being able to use Salvager of Ruin and Lotus Petal for infinite white mana EVERYTHING Teshar wants to do requires the graveyard. While white has access to some of the best removal spells in the game, they were getting in the way. As you know, "white" and "card draw" was not normal. And basically if you never saw Enlightened Tutor, Idyllic Tutor, Search the Armory and/or Steelcrafters Gift you were toast. And even then, as soon as your graveyard went away, you were normally set back at least one turn. Mono Black does not have this issue.

  • @tijnhollanders6932
    @tijnhollanders6932 Před rokem

    This might be why i won the last couple of games playing my glunch deck (casual commander, not cEDH). They just dont know how i win so they leave me alone while i give them goodies and eventually win with a +1/+1 counters strategy or voltron. And politics is still a thing in casual games

  • @alicegranin6384
    @alicegranin6384 Před 7 měsíci

    My budget (200$) CEDH Satoru deck has won and almost won a concerning amount of games just by playing cards people don't expect that I have BC of budget. Turns out flickering Alhemeret repeatedly to police hands is good.

  • @ryanskolnick1274
    @ryanskolnick1274 Před rokem

    Not sure if it’s good, but Orvar seems sick to build

    • @jasoncook2715
      @jasoncook2715 Před rokem +1

      I speak on behalf of orvar, and that deck has won me the most games out of all my cedh decks I've built. Been cedh since 2019 and orvar has the highest % win rate for me. Can be budget friendly too

  • @ethiancortes6213
    @ethiancortes6213 Před 11 měsíci

    I still wandering how to Win with my teshar deck 😢

  • @NicolasandDad
    @NicolasandDad Před 4 měsíci

    I just did shockingly well with a Sram Aura Voltron deck…

  • @noahmurtha4036
    @noahmurtha4036 Před rokem

    I play soo much mono red these days lol 😂 I steal wins constantly

  • @void91g
    @void91g Před 11 měsíci

    ❤😂🎉

  • @Kroxti
    @Kroxti Před 4 měsíci

    Glances at my Ao deck

  • @jessesandburg
    @jessesandburg Před rokem

    Mono is great against blood moon!

  • @untilthewheelsfalloff1751
    @untilthewheelsfalloff1751 Před 6 měsíci

    An inbred meta that’s constantly shifting that’s why creature base decks have done so well I would know I’m winning with one

  • @MaxMckayful
    @MaxMckayful Před 9 měsíci

    If you don't know what a card does in a format you know well, be very afraid.

  • @CageFreeLowFatSugarFreeRange

    Sounds like coping

  • @fernandob2275
    @fernandob2275 Před měsícem

    Gaslighting each other because y’all lost to monocolored decks lolz

  • @cgjoh
    @cgjoh Před 2 měsíci

    They don't know what to do? Magic players net deck so hard that they can't beat people who are actually original? Dude that's so pathetic, if that happens sell your cards and stop "competing" you weren't to begin with.

    • @davidgzmn12345
      @davidgzmn12345 Před 2 měsíci

      It’s more that mono color decks will run very específic combos that only appear in that commander, so you can’t really expect people to know every single obscure combo piece, as opposed to the common ones in other colors. You’ll have mono color combo pieces that go for 50 cents because they’re useless in every other deck, but generates infinite mana/storm/etb etc in that specific commander, so it’s easy to be caught by surprise

  • @johnnycaralta
    @johnnycaralta Před 2 měsíci

    Simultaneously explained why cedh is garbage.