Sol - Sunny's Spiel | Warriors Analysis
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- Sol is a villain who I’ve always had very mixed feelings on. He is just about the only antagonist we have who works mostly through manipulation rather than direct assault, but his lack of effect on the world, immediate disconnection from the protagonists he could have manipulated, and very unflattering backstory have done a lot to hinder any excitement I could have had for him. Still, I think there are many alternative interesting routes that his character could have gone down, and maybe one of them wasn’t even that far off from canon as we know it.
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I unfortunately don’t believe Sol is ever going to return, but I really wish they make another villain like him. Villains that use their intellect rather than their claws and manipulate the characters around them are so much more interesting then the typical brute force antagonist.
I am praying that Sol gets a super edition. Just please Erins. Give this man some hope. Even a Novella would do.
Well the Impostor is Sol but better.
"he's either a waste of time or potential" minutes later "I really enjoy sol" yeah. Sol might be filler but the fandom can agree that he's epic
I like Sol's use of intellect as his main trait, it really makes him stand out from all the murderers and tyrants we're used to seeing, also and this might just be me, but Sol seems to have this amusing, con-man type personality when manipulating people, especially the three. Read back through those scenes, Sol never talks first, he waits for others to speak and then uses their words against them by saying what they want to hear. It's smart, it's creative, but he's still a con-man in my eyes.
The problem for me is that his con-man attitude is all he has going for him. The instant people stop trusting him he becomes less than non threatening. I’d prefer a villain who manipulates their enemies into weakening themselves, but can and will get their paws dirty when push comes to shove.
@@Shaun_Jones Quite right, once he's lost the trust of those he's manipulating, Sol becomes about as dangerous as a used car saleman.
@@asaschuemann9545 Okay but I find how you phrase this hillarous with sol being a con man
@@Shaun_Jones Did darktail not do this, no? He manipulated (thought not as well) the clans and then used his claw’s when they really saw who he was.
@@ravem410 exactly. I admit that I haven’t read Vision, but everything I’ve seen points to Darktail being my kind of villain.
'Sol would've been better served by not giving him a backstory at all' my thoughts exactly. I never read through the SkyClan comics in full, but seeing the panel with Sol banging his foot in frustration yowling 'I can be a warrior!' immediately soured any possibility they had for his backstory imo. A mysterious character should have a mysterious past, one that keeps you guessing, a Joker-esque 'if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!' Showing the backstory like that, particularly in characterizing your enigmatic villain as a whiny, pathetic mess, really undercuts any intrigue an audience might have for the character. I suppose a disappointing backstory is suited for a disappointing character though, eh.
Also: 'And always remember that I'm your friend, you can trust me. I promise... >:)' hMMMmmm....villain!sunny.... feeling Fear in the chat tonight, lads.
Sol: The Warriors’s embodiment of the phrase “Brains over brawn”
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Honestly I enjoy Sol a lot. I think it's very interesting that he's a real brat, and that he's sort of clever, but most of his manipulation comes down to him being lucky enough to get hyped up for a short while (because he was in the right place at the right time) and then massively letting everyone down. If we believe what he says about his past, then he's almost exactly like his mother, who complained about how unfair life was constantly- a trait he hated but ironically shared. It' great to see a villain that settles things without claws and also a villain that just isn't really good at anything. I think I find it refreshing because warriors(and other series, but warriors is especially bad about it) has a tendency to make their villains' strength come straight from their evil, as if malice actually makes you stronger. Sol was malicious, but a loser. I love characters like that
Yeah I feel this. Part of it may be 'cause I barely remembered Po3 when I read Skyclan's manga, but I really like him as just a stinky little loser who has a little bit of creativity that he thinks makes him smarter than it does.
Agreed. I have read that manga and I don't think they wasted his potential... He was still unique and if you look deeper into his motivation, it's not even because he wanted revenge, it's because he liked to manipulate cats
An issue with Sol was that he was mysterious that even the readers had no idea what his motivation was. He never seems to have any clear end-goal. After being kicked from Shadowclan, he doesn't try again, he just hangs around, doing nothing. Until Skyclan and the Stranger was published, there are a good amount of discourse on whether Sol was sincere in his belief that following Starclan was wrong. There really was no clear indication either way. It can be good to keep readers in suspense, but it's not good to confuse readers. You have to give them something, even if it's not spelled-out.
I still believe Sol would have been 100% better if he really believed he was doing the right thing. Maybe he had a bad time in Skyclan, then wandered to Midnight, who told him the secrets of Starclan. He then comes to the conclusion that Starclan is actually evil, and the Warrior Code is terrible, oppressive social code. He honestly thinks he's doing the right thing.
That actually would have been more interesting
I have an AU where Sol joins The Kin and manipulates them into making him leader, and in the newest arc reintroduce him and The Kin together. This time they destroy Thunderclan and Skyclan, For Darktail's rouges and Sol both dislike Skyclan, and Sol wants revenge on Thunderclan, and the rouges agree. I hope the new arc does this, though the chances are very low.
i was so disappointed that the Kin / Darktail plotline never aknowledged Sol at all, the Clans have a terrible memory
Sol is an odd character. They kept hinting at him being more interesting and dangerous and then they didn’t deliver and instead he gets used for what equates to as filler. The books say he learned about the eclipse and the lake Clans from Midnight and Rock specifically says Midnight had no choice but to tell Sol so the Clans can “be ready” for what is to come. Nothing really gets done with this except for mainly a few more tiny mentions. He also says he would be coming back after The Forgotten Warrior with the implication he would somehow be involved in the Dark Forest battle but he doesn’t appear in The Last Hope or any arc book after TFW. His history with Midnight is what his backstory should have been about, not about SkyClan being the reason Sol knew about the Clans and wanting to destroy all Clans. It would have also given us more info on Midnight, they could have even dropped just a tiny amount of lore about her in it that would help in trying to understand her existence, and Rock’s by extension.
Sol is basically a very impulsive sociopath who seems to get bored really easily and doesn't have a consistent goal. No idea why he was even trying to help WindClan ambush ThunderClan in the first place, other than that he was just feeling particularly cruel that day.
His plot definitely would've worked if he stuck around, became a valued member of ThunderClan despite a few cats seeing him sneak away every now and then, and THEN started conspiring with Onestar. It would've felt like a more legitimate betrayal, and we could've developed some stronger motivations for the attack other than it just being what he felt like doing that day. Like maybe he would be trying to "test" the three by putting their Clan in danger with no actual concern for any innocents he'll hurt in the process, or maybe he could be trying to goad the Clans into war to see if the eclipse will come back, or even as a living agent of StarClan who decides to help separate the Clans like they eventually decide to, again without thinking of the consequences beyond "fulfill the prophecy".
Sol had potential but I'm pretty sure he existed just to add some drama during PO3. I don't know why they gave him such a stupid backstory. If he had to be tied to SkyClan, it could've been way more interesting.
They should bring back Sol in the Starless Clan arc. The Broken Code was such a climatic arc that I feel like we need someone like Sol to keep everything exciting. Maybe bring back sleekwhisker and pair her with Sol? I can't speak for everyone, but those two would definitely have me excited for the upcoming series.
That is one of the most popular fan theories. Since the name of the new series could be a hint at him.
@A Ferris I don’t think they meant in a shipping sense. They probably meant them as a villain duo with Sleekwhisker as the brawn to his brain since they both have the potential to be incredible main villains had they not been shoveled off to the side
@dreamiinotdream730 yes. this and also
just because you ship two characters doesn't mean other people cant have their own ships.
I usually care very little for villians like Sol as it goes against my desire for a simple evil cat gets beaten up by good cat plots that I have programmed myself to be used to, but I do wish he had more of an impact on the plot now that I'm reminded of the events he was actually part of. It almost makes me wanna read POT again. Almost.
I don't know, the Skyclan manga kinda gives him a unique bit of depth to him. He's a villain, his motivations don't need to be rational.
This was so good for making me think about Sol. They should have stuck with one angle, because cringe loser and manipulative are both entertaining
I kinda wish they had given Sol more of a chance and made him a mediator in the same vain as Tree. I feel like he could have been a good mentor figure to Tree in this situation
Sol never made sense to me, he never seemed important enough and it felt like it was leading up to something big, but nothing ever happened.
I forgot he was supposed to look buff but when I imagine him more like Scar from The Lion King.
You mean Tigerstar is Scar from The Lion King not Sol
I wish they’d bring him back with sky clan at the lake, he could be a fun sassy cat elder to bring back and let him be a skyclan elder 😂
Everyone just like, sol shut up here’s your prey
I’d be so happy I love him
I actually liked Sol’s backstory whoops.
I want SolxSleekwhisker and they take over every clan except Shadowclan because they convince the leaders to exile their deputies before swiftly killing them and taking over. By the end of the arc we will have Tigerstar ii, Crowstar, Squirrelstar, Hawkstar, and hopefully interesting Reedstar. They can then change the code allowing halfclan kits etc. Then focus on outside threats and maybe move territory’s again because I was bored of the lake by the end of arc 5 (bcs we stoped drowning cats).
Sol was...interesting. He had potential and I feel the Erins kinda just...didn't quite know what to do with him in the end? (Also small note: can we please not call the old comics manga anymore since they're not Japanese nor are they read from right to left :') Just a personal thing, sorry!)
The books were marketed as mangas for a very long time. Many older fans, myself included, call them mangas out of habit. I’m sure all of us know that they’re not real mangas. Heck, the old versions have tokyopops logo on them, furthering the manga idea. Idk why they ever called them mangas… it’s odd.
@@Moony1568 I, an older fan myself, still find myself referring to the old copies as manga, too. I'm trying to kick the habit though, just as a personal thing
We need more Calico cats
YES
Can I just say that your version of the Kin’s clan symbol is so cool? An upside down paw in the shape of a heart
SOL PATROL
He maxed out his intellect and charisma but has nothing in his other stats
I actually never minded Sol's backstory, but in fairness, I read SkyClan and the Stranger first. The idea of Sol being this lazy, selfish, petty, and even childish character was an interesting premise for an antagonist. Unlike villains of the past who were ruthless and competent in combat, Sol lacks these skills and so must use his cleverness instead. He's a childish character whose head was filled with dreams of grandure by Cinders who was unwilling to put in the hard work to become a full warrior, so he resorts to cheating, stealing, and lying to fulfill his childhood fantasy. When this blows up in his face, instead of recognizing his mistakes, he doubles down and maintains his victim mentality that was instilled into him by his mother. Nothing is ever his fault and the world is against him. He's banished from SkyClan and brews on his anomsity and hatred, believing SkyClan somehow wronged him and that he's the victim. Then he arrives at the Lake and discovers four new Clans. Memories of his banishment flood his mind and fills him wil hatred for the warrior code and Clan that denied him his fantasy. So he infiltrates the Clans and uses his cleverness and manipulation to tear them apart from the inside, undermining the warrior code, making the Clans question their allegience to ancient ideals written by cats they've never met, being dismissive of traditions, befriending powerful cats within the Clans such as Hollyleaf, Jayfeather, and Lionblaze. He offers to mentor them, bestow upon them wisdom and knowledge the Clans can't offer them, slowly subvert their thinking away from the warrior code and twist them to suit his desires, all the while, he conspires against them behind their backs with the other Clans. He meets with warriors and Clan leaders in secret, offering up secrets and vulnerabilities, spreading lies and sewing rumors, stealing kits from their dens and prey across borders and framing other Clans for the crimes. He snatches at any opportunity and rubs salt in every wound until he has every cat hating each other, running the Clans' values ragged until they're little better than torn cobweb in the wind. He does this until he has every cat hating each other. He could twist the Clan's faith in StarClan into fear, jumping on the eclipse like the opportunist he is and claiming it's a sign from StarClan: divide or die. All to destroy the Clans who rejected him, all to enact petty "justice" over the savage cats who threw him out, the savage cats who claim to be noble but who wouldn't even give him a chance. His deceptions and lies are eventually uncovered, and he would likely escape with his life, but he leaves the Clans in tattered, forcing them to pick up the pieces, but they are never the same, and Sol leaves a permenant mark on all the warriors in the Lake, even sewing the seeds of doubt for some warriors to question if Sol was right about the warrior code - that it's outdated nonsense - and that StarClan is to be feared, not trusted. StarClan isn't looking out for you; it's watching to punish you with vindictive rage if you step a paw out of line. They send floods, storms, forest fires, droughts, foxes, badgers, and whatever other horrible dangers just to punish you, or worse yet, just to amuse themselves, laying the groundwork for some to completely abandon all faith in StarClan. THAT is what I was hoping to get out of Sol. He shatters the Clans, and he barely lifts a claw to do it. The mystery of his backstory lies in exactly what happened between his origin in SkyClan and when he arrived at the Lake. Just how long did he stew on this hatred, what did he encounter that fostered this rage, what did he learn and who did he possibly encounter to make him such a master manipulator when he was so clearly poor at it in SkyClan, and what became of him after he left the Lake? Sol appears in the Clans suddenly, randomly, and in unexpected ways, appearing from seemingly nowhere, and at first, he seems harmless, but his malice spreads within them like a plague and drags the whole Clan down to his level. If he can't rise to their standards, he will drag them down to his.
Sol seems to be a charming villain, is he really like this in the books? Is he really like how you described him? Can you please explain it to me? I’m going to read POT series very soon and I would love to see Sol like a threatening villain and a good manipulator like you said. People say he is not such a good villain but I hope the contrary
That evil smirk from Sunnyfall at the end is scaring me...
yes
Yes, Sol and Hollyleaf's relationship especially should have been explored more.
But ultimately, he's a waste of a villain.
4:50 in other words, they went Sol searching. XD
I think he's really funny
"very unique"
Oh god those last couple lines were so creeepyyyyy XD
If you have to make a Top Of all the arcs how You think it would be?
I personally never liked Sol as a villain because he really shouldn’t have been as threatening as he was. Maybe he seems smarter when you’re first introduced to him at the age of 11 rather than 21, but I saw right through his bull from page one. The only thing he’s good at is reading context clues and body language, so as soon as characters stop trusting him he becomes a complete non-threat.
I want mysterious villains with no backstories just cause they seem so interesting to me. Backstories are like revealing a hidden monster. Never as good as what we imagine.
I knew it
Do you think since Sol is (or was) a clan cat that when he dies he’ll go to Starclan or the Dark forest? Or do you think he won’t go to either afterlife?
I personally think he’s more of a loner than a clan cat, so probably his own afterlife.
@akeiraa-tr3mi So… his own afterlife.
Depends on if he truly believed in starclan
Sol interfering with ShadowClan in that way also made their later Arc with Darktail loose impact for me, the fact that they fell for a cat saying "stop caring for your kids and elders and abandon StarClan" TWICE in such a short time just makes the entire Clan look extremely weak and stupid.
Maybe a fix fic?
I have a theory that Sol is not evil at all, he just wanted together with Midnight to protect the Clans from Dark Forest and Star Clan, because Star Clan in my opinion in the later parts are no longer the same good cats who want to help the Clans. And the revenge was only personal. In my opinion, he's an underrated character by the fandom and Erins, which is a shame because he's my favorite cat.
Sol was going to be a good character but he was so wasted
Personally? I like what Sol was implied to be but what he actually is...I'm sorry but you could take him out of the story and loose nothing. Now if he was important to ONLY hollyleaf? Then I'd be interested but sadly they made him be important to all three... Why?!
sol's name is sol not what ever you said
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