I love how he tries to do the old guy "Hey fellow kids" thing by trying to talk using "why so angry, bruh" as a gotcha retort, and then reverts back to the warbly church pastor voice. What an absolute clown of a huckster.
Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson is the tag team you do NOT want to go up against. It was an excellent debate and Stephen Fry was brilliant. He is a very well educated and genuinely lovely human being.
Dyson came across as an ignorant, race-baiting, word-salad bully. Not really sure why she was there. Stephen and Jordan wiped the floor with their opponents. Jordon asking them to describe when the left goes too far..... one of the best questions i have heard
They hardly get questioned at all! The left always dominates the narrative and starts accusing opponents of fascism etc which then has the person defending themselves rather than going after the Leftist
10:36 I've met a few people in my life who talk like Dyson. They can go on and on sounding extremely educated and philosophical, using complicated arguments and advanced vocabulary, but there is nothing that is actually being said. It's baffling to me how they can be using so much brain power but not able to grasp or accept the most basic truths that the average child understands.
Dyson's use of idiom is almost always incorrect and illiterate and he's just uttering these things because he heard them once and thought they sounded erudite. But, hey, when in Rome.
Agreed! On the whole. However, ‘advanced’ vocabulary’? Hmmmm. He just seems to throw in a bunch of additional, meaningless, syllables. Appears unable to use the correct grammar necessary to deliver, perfectly good, existing words. Absolute tit.
I’d say international! Or at least, he’s someone I look up to and aspire to be more like despite being from the US. I’ll never be as eloquent, but I hope to be as understanding.
My biggest problem with the term "transphobe" is that it's an attempt to conflate any criticism of their position as being an "irrational fear" or mental illness. It's gaslighting and an ad hominem, all in one.
Poisoning the Well. The use of that type of sophistry has always been the defining characteristic of the left in my opinion, especially among those who consider themselves the intelligentsia (e.g. pretentious wafflers like Dyson).
@@picnic66 Those individuals which lack proper information, knowledge, ideas, concepts, principles, morals, views, perspectives, perceptions, are also lacking basic, proper human though, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning. So, as seen at least within each of the selected responses by both Michael Eric Dyson and Michelle Ohr [both unknown to me and certainly insignificant] both are unable to convey anything meaningful, points within the intended topic of discussion/debate A. They each refuse to present any ideas, concepts, basis B. They C. Dyson is explicitly recorded with his explicit prejudice, bigotry, baseless internal hatred with his derogatory, deriding, condemning, labels which are certainly unfounded, improper, vile, appalling, despicable, disturbing, arrogant, haughty, egotistical character 'assassination", which is certainly a clear indication, of low self-image, lacking self-confidence, and base within any useful, helpful, beneficial, opposition, presentation, ideas, concepts from which to counter, "debate", thus resorts to using his improper labels D. Note, those with proper basis, ideas, concepts, principles, thoughts, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning, morals, etc. are not negatively affected by the improper, derogatory labels of Michael Eric Dyson, thus also, basically ignore them, thus proceed with the main topic without any shown comment or retort to the improper comments. E. Michael Eric Dyson along with Michelle Ohr are clearly among the media promoted individuals which lack proper human development, basic thought, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning, information, knowledge, principles, morals, thus are actually among the 'low level" within humans, not even reaching 'pseudo-intelliensia" ! 😲
I think Steven's comment during the debate summed up their opponents. "i think people are going to look back at this debate about political correctness and wonder why we didn't talk about political correctness" fantastic debate.
This is what happens when one has no argument and their perspective is indefensible. Debate is where truth is flushed out. Free speech is necessary! Censorship (political correctness) is the domain of the tyrant and truth is his enemy.
@@chrisfelouzis7195 free speech absolutism doesn't work. Coercion is language and subjective. There is no objective social solution to the threat of violence
I'm a "Heinz 57" American. I have English, Irish, Scots, Scandanavian, French, and Cherokee in my DNA. I have worked and struggled, I have moved, I have used food stamps, I have done everything and travelled every avenue to provide for my family. I have walked to work rather than take on a loan for a car I can't afford. Where is my privilege? Because I'm an average-looking "white male," I have had white racists assume I share their bigotry and black racists assume it as well. I AM A MAN. I am not a group. I am not a statistic or a stereotype. I can admire Douglas MacArthur and Frederick Douglas in the same sentence and not feels any shame, and I am not required by anyone to apologize for my ancestry, because it does not define me. I am an American man doing all he can, and that is all anyone can do, Black, White, Gay, Straight, Female, or Male. If you can do it better, please come and live my life.
Complaining about Ethnic Privilege, is like complaining about why the sky is blue. Yes, America was settled and created by White Europeans based on their traditions and history, just like many other nations were founded on their own.
Před měsícem+3
At least we can all be misogynistic thanks to modern f m nism. ;). Sucks though doesn't it.
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Just to be clear that was a joke because of the assumption of shared racism piece.
Man, I physically cringe when people flounder and embarrass themselves like that lady did. It's so uncomfortable to see them build the plank, walk to the end, and then dive headfirst into the ocean. All while reciting the many benefits of seawater for your lungs.
I didn't know about Dyson before watched this debate, but afterwards I had to look him up. Turned out he also did the foreword for White Fragility. It all just clicked.
He’s a peach for sure. The good part, once you hear him speak, you know what he’s going to say on everything. So you only have to endure him a single time.
That woman did NOT belong on stage she offered NOTHING of value. The word salad king Michael "Windbag" Dyson has never proven to be a person who speaks with wisdom. Dr. Peterson and Stephen Fry outclassed their opponents easily. This was a non-debate.
Yesterday I asked a friend if he had read the Twitter Files. He said no. I asked why. He said "It's all bs and not worth my time". I said fine, but there's a lot in there, and written by former NY Times journalists (he reads NYT regularly). He said " Stop! Just stop!". He then said " I knew I lost you two years ago.". We argued over Bidens vaccine mandate, I opposed, he didn't. He is so utterly obsessed with his hate for Trump that no matter what, he will see ALL non liberal narratives instantly as b.s. he then accused me of "going down rabbit holes". Crazy division and so many captured minds. I was like him too, and we used to agree politically, but the past 5 years truly opened my eyes.
That the problem with most indoctrinated people, they’re told anything outside of what they were taught to be “good” is inherently evil. Liberal = Good, Conservative = Bad. This way they don’t have to listen to the argument because “hear no evil” in their view. It’s pathetic, frankly.
@@littlecatfeet9064I have to say, I hadn't thought much about it before reading your comment but indeed, I am now curious myself........ However I am also wondering why you wouldn't be curious as to the writer's race as well?? For deeper context when visualizing the scenario he's described I would need to know the race of both parties, js 😉
Mine was Christopher Hitchens opening argument against censorship and for freedom of speech. “Don’t take refuge in the false sense of security. And the feeling you are bound to be okay because you are in the safely moral majority.”
When I heard about this debate I originally thought it was Fry vs Peterson and I thought “this will be interesting.” When I realized they were together I thought, “omg, they’re gonna murder these guys!”
I recently (finally) read Mill’s On Liberty. One of the arguments for freedom of speech that hit me the hardest is that those who would censor have to think they are 100% correct…and what has history taught us, except how many times we, and especially governments, get it WRONG. Therefore, we MUST allow freedom of thought and speech, because we also must (if we claim to be honest) admit the possibility (and probability) of being wrong in some point. Therefore, it follows that we allow freedom of speech, if only for the reason of finding out where it is that we are wrong.
I'll definitely have to purchase and read that, thanks for sharing. This is basically my rationale for being against all the net-zero climate agenda. We all have plans, and we all have failed plans. Even if everything they claimed about the coming climate apocalypse were true (it isn't), the solution still would not be to put all of our resources and energy into this single plan dreamed up by politicians, effectively cutting off every other avenue for innovation. It's a simple question at the end of the day: is it more sensible to trust entirely in the plan of our current leaders, or ought we trust in the collective brilliance of all humans? It's a lot like the great horse manure crisis of 1894. Everyone was convinced that the problem would continue to grow exponentially and make things completely unlivable. And then the automobile took over and the problem vanished overnight. Imagine if instead of allowing citizens to innovate, the government had simply spent all the nations resources and energy on restricting economic growth, and actually pushed for reducing productivity and freedom? Which is exactly what we're doing now. And that would just be on the local scale, or the national scale at most. Today they're forcing this on a global scale, which is the epitome of elitism with regards to developed nations demonizing undeveloped nations for trying to improve their nations and the lives of their citizens. It's climbing up the rope to comfort and then cutting it for those that follow. We all need the freedom to be wrong in order to find out what's actually good, what's actually right, and what actually works. That last one is perhaps the most important, and why the free market is our single greatest boon for improvement.
Agreed for me it's just like human rights. If there are human rights they have to be for everyone, even those who took the human rights away from others. It could be very easily decided by those in charge who does and doesn't deserve human rights and that's just dangerous. It's like a bite inhibition, once you know you can do it is it so easy to stop yourself? Or the kinds of people who enjoy taking the rights from others. Instead of being in the prisons they'd be in the police force
Yes! That's the absolute essence of the social importance of free speech. It is the only way for a group of people to improve the way society functions - to freely share ideas, vigorously challenge every idea, and eventually, EVENTUALLY figure out which ones work best. I also appreciate Peterson's argument that, on an individual basis, speaking freely is essential to thinking clearly. The minute we shut down our verbal expression, we have reduced our ability to think. Everyday, we can see the chilling downward spiral these two effects are creating.
The perfect example of that is American slavery. Freedom of speech gave us the ability for a minority voice to gain amplification through merit and reason, to become a majority voice, and at many times unpleasant and hateful, in order to realize a moral wrong and correct it.
I absolutely love listening to Stephen Fry. He is able to make even the most mundane topics, like grass growing or paint drying, utterly fascinating. I could listen to him for hours. Such a gentleman. Thank you for this video; I shall now sit back and enjoy :)
@@perspectiveiseverything1694 Clearly, certainly within this video compilation, the improper, incorrect, invalid, disgusting, appalling, despicable derogatory, deriding, condemning labels which Michael Eric Dyson stated about either or both Jordan and Steven indicate certain improper, invalid, mindset, prejudice, bias, bigotry, baseless hated !! 😲
I always found it amazing that the public scrutiny for political correctness is almost entirely one sided. Of course being politically correct always reminds of ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’. If you’re smart, wise, good, and pure you’ll see the King’s clothes. No one wants to appear otherwise, so of course they agree and never tell the truth of themselves. They just agree and add to the lie. Brilliant debate. Thank you.
"Mr. Peterson"? Really? He earned being called "Dr." Please respect that. I remember watching this when it aired. It was brilliant and it definitely inspired me. Notice that Dr. Peterson and Stephen Fry continue to respect their opponents. This was a smart debate and Peterson and Fry nailed this debate. The other side got so emotional and irrational. There was a lack of relaxation and common sense. The word salad and racist comment was uncalled for. That was the turning point.
Technically, he is "Professor emeritus". I know a few people who would consider being called "Dr." at this stage of their career extremely disrespectful.
My aunt was a debate judicator and always made clear at the onset that, "Any use of supposed intelligence or use of flamboyant language in an attempt to make idiocracy appear intelligent I will immediately call BS on."
I watched this debate years ago (in part) and couldnt sit through all of Dyson's word salad and bullshit to save my life. Some of us are built for this and some are not.
The Left goes too far. The Right goes too far. People like Stephen Fry are well-respected because they are willing to challenge their own side without pretending all societal issues are caused by the other side. I wish more people were like Mr Fry.
@@sanniepstein4835The Right goes too far when they begin to act like everyone the Left hates is automatically good. Also, in this day and age, when they start to think conspiratorially. That’s when the Right goes too far.
Ten commandments in classrooms which violates the constitution.......that seems too far....banning books seems too far.....if you read project 2025 fully I think you will be horrified by some of the things and will agree they go too far. But that's just the right ..the left are asking for women's spaces to be open to anyone who professes themselves a woman. Peeping toms used to have to hide on the bushes but under this lefty madness they just have to buy a pant suit then they can stroll through ladies changing rooms at will. Both side have glaring mistakes and foolishness. A pragmatic person realises this and doesn't allow themselves to be indoctrinated to the extent that they become blind to their own failures.
I remember this debate from way back. My favorite part was Stephen Fry's closing statement. He had just followed Michael Eric Dyson, who is truly a moron. Fry began his statement referring to Dyson's debate style as "huckstering, snake oil, pulpit talk," but in the most passive-aggressive way. It was glorious.
and if I remember correctly, said what I thought was the most poignant words of the whole debate 'we have lost the ability of being playful with ideas' or something similar
Rowan Atkinson? Monty Python? Not sure they've achieved the status of national treasures.... that title is for the likes of Steven Fry and David Attenborough.
and all have said similar things about freedom of expression being stifled by the modern "liberal" political ideas on what's acceptable and the mob mentality which goes with it. When the Monty Python Crew, Stephen Fry and Rowen Atkinson started out in comedy they had to fight against the likes of Mary Whitehouse and her listeners and viewers association, a conservative organisation with a small c, but probably also mostly Conservative with a big C bunch who would protest about anything they found offensive, it was those on the left who demanded freedom of expression, but now they are the people who stand outside events protesting or run media campaigns against a certain act or speaker.
I feel exactly the same the same. This debate changed my wavering confidence making me realise I wasn’t wrong to think the way I did. Pivotal moment in my life. Thanks for giving it a platform again. ❤️
let's not overlook how when Peterson makes the point about making a "white privilege tax" Dyson unironically agreed saying "You talking some good shit right here." the sudden shift from the sanctimonious word-salad tells me that was the first and only time he was honestly speaking his mind the entire debate.
Great point. I guess I didn't hear him say that. What struck me about his rant is that at the height of it, he was talking to the audience; I think looking for that "reaction" as opposed to making a real point for a debate.
@@pinetree5489 are you talking about Peterson? Either way, the point of a public debate is to make your case to both your opponent and the crowd. Peterson often looks across the crowd to see how they react to what he says before focusing on his opponent during debates.
@@kellyevans3254 I was talking of Dyson. I had considered adding in a caveat to my statement that the clip I was speaking of was short and didn't show all of his rant from one angle AND that the others would also look at the audience at times too but just didn't include it. That may 'ruin' my point, but I'd still say his rant was more 'for' the audience.
The thing I remember best about this debate was Dyson wandering off topic and Jordan Peterson let himself wander as well. Then Stephen took his turn to speak and mentioned how people watching this in the coming years will be surprised that the original subject hadn't been discussed. He did it in an amusing wording much better than I have paraphrased here. Always enjoy hearing Stephen speak, because he really does believe in free speech, and working things out in the free exchange of ideas.
That's because American leftists co-opted and castrated the term. They have done the same to "progressive", now they are debasing "democracy". Soon, "freedom" will equal "slavery".
@@sanniepstein4835 I think it's time to reclaim it. I just call goons like Dyson leftists and Marxists. There's nothing liberal about the modern left.
Omg....what an amazing duo ( Fry and Peterson). They singularly are riveting to listen to, but as a team they are formidable ! No word salad, no confusion,, just clear, logical argument. Bravo gentlemen 🎉
Stephen Fry is of course known for frequent collaboration with fellow comedian Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean). Did you see Rowan Atkinson's speech on free speech? It's about 8 minutes long, and it is EPIC. That's the kind of speech that turns people around on an issue.
Stephen Fry is the dogs bollocks mate. True intellectual. Proper brilliant. And he's funny as fuck too. That whole debate was eye opening, the fact he is left winger, and is opposing the modern left is pretty telling.
That Dyson guy can definitely serve up a word salad of esoteric words like no other. Problem is that it’s clearly a compensation for lacking in intellect.
Saw this when it was originally posted. JP and Fry are both people you don't want to debate. The woman was just sad. Dyson came off as genuinely filled with hate.
The moment you were cancelled - from your work place - knew you're going to be a force. congratulations at 100K - looking forward ⏩ when you reach 500K subs
Should have included some links to the full debate and the audience polling results. The video misrepresents the audience poll. The question the audience was asked was, "Be it resolved, what you call political correctness, I call progress". Before the debate, 36% agreed with the statement and 61% disagreed. After the debate, 30% agreed and 70% disagreed. So, they started with a strong majority in Stephen Fry's camp, and the debate moved another 9% into Stephen Fry's side (from 61% to 70%).
Kudos. "My words exactly" won't cut it because you've kicked it up a notch. No smart-assery, no emotional mumbo-jumbo. Straight to the core. Stay healthy, because the world needs You. Cheers!
Thanks for highlighting this event again. It was such an imbalance of intellect, simultaneously brilliant and excruciating, that perfectly illustrates the current state of our public discourse. Your assessment was spot on as always.
I watched that debate when it first aired and was utterly fascinated and enthralled by that debate. In my experience, most young people are 1 dimensional and are unwilling to entertain any view that disagrees with their own or their tribes.
I don’t understand how every time I watch one of your posts I check I am subscribed and sure enough I am not . How can CZcams constantly cancel my subscription ? Love your sane sensible commentary.
As a traditional conservative and a huge Dr. Peterson fan, I really appreciate and enjoy Stephen Fry. I don't agree with him on everything, but he seems to mostly be a good-faith seeker of truth, and those are hard to come by.
Stephen Frye is a great example of what “well educated” can demonstrate. Frye played chess with Hugh Laurie at Oxford and started a friendship, growing into a collaboration of like interests….and wonderful comic legacy.
I'm impressed that you considered this to be very powerful debate. I saw the original debate probably more than 4 years ago. Jordan Petersen and Stephen Fry won the debate by a slim margin. The opposite side Dyson was so typical and still is the same. The opposite never learn like dead wood. I hope this will add to every one's confidence.
Bad news: Government will fire you for thinking on your own. Good news: The thirst for someone that speaks with reason is a online business model in and of itself. Congrats on 100k subs
The "left" uses emotions to gain power. That's why it devolves into name calling to "win" an argument. The problem being that any problem solved through an emotional response is often the wrong answer and more often than not detrimental to the problem at hand. I don't think this was always the case with the left. I personally don't like being in any political classification as being a "team" member often means that you're beholding to the ideology of that team. I believe it's far better to judge any issue on its' merits.
Both sides use emotions to gain power, but they are often different emotions. Emotions are part of the human experience but can be manipulated by bath-faith actors.
Great analysis once again. Dyson was clearly exposed as a hypocrite -- You are what I say you are even though I do it as well. Also, Warren, seeing you on the Epoch Times interview was nice. Fantastic job. 😁
I agree with Fry when he accused the left who go too far as becoming recruiters for the right. I am one example myself, I believe. In high school I was a clean slate, still learning about the world and politics. In college I agreed more with the left but all this nonsense about political correctness and forcing their viewpoint to the exclusion of others' has made me change my mind.
5:23, James Damore did not engage in extremely serious misbehaviour. Maya Forstater didn’t engage in extremely serious misbehaviour. The guy who was fired for teaching his class a Chinese filler word that sounds like the N word wasn’t fired for extremely serious misbehaviour
More than that, the thousands of everyday people who have lost jobs, relationships and more are the victims of that lady's ideology that she will never hear about and never see. All she sees are the few instances where either someone had the leverage or resources to fight the accusation, or the people in the public eye who she believes were rightfully punished, all the while ignoring the true victims of her worldview.
Always worthwhile to revisit a debate like this. By the way, i cant help but see that you're not only due a hearty congratulation for the 100k benchmark but for shattering it, which is just a stepping stone to even greater reach. Cheers
The biggest issue I encounter today is the complete lack of common sense. And people just blindly believing what is spoon fed by so-called progressive and mainstream media and political movements and parties.
Left/Right is some weird nonsensical terminology attributed to political systems to appease masses used to watching sports teams. Elevate understanding, step away from these childish labels and measure each idea on its own merits. Fry is an amazing human. Extremism of ideology births counter extremism.
I grew up with Stephen Fry playing various figures from history, the hilariously clever, Blackadder. I dont always agree with his views, but wow, can that man articulate. ❤
This was a great debate and Fry was exceptional in his eloquence but since then he's often back on the side of PC.... The debate was over the moment the opposing 'Race Grifter' Dyson made mention of 'Mean Mad White man' when that wasn't in any way applicable to the debate or to either Dr JP or SF.
Having watched the entire debate, you did a great job distilling it. I wish this was available back then so I could get the highlights without having to sit through Dyson's TV preacher schtick.
Just my opinion. Categorizing people is a natural thing that the mind does as it tries to figure out who a person is. It starts at high level, like boy/girl, then the boxes get progressively smaller until you ultimately decide who you think a person really is. I think that its mostly sub conscious and happens really fast. I don't think that it is something that we choose to do or not do, in my opinion. Its kind of a defensive tactic that mind does as you decide whether someone is friend or foe. This is to say that, because of the world we live in, the metaphorical Grand Canyon that Fry spoke of, upon meeting someone for the first time, I, not purposely, will put a person into the left or right category (Politically). But then as you learn more and more about someone, that box gets more and more refined until I know a person enough to give them their own space unique to them.
The mind makes assumptions and categories so you don't have spend time or energy making what should be easy decisions and so you can draw inferences when you have too little information. Sometimes, this results in incorrect assumptions or overreliance on categories. The key is flexbility: Changing you view based on new information and ignoring categories when reality contradicts them.
Stephen Fry is no fool. He has a good head on his shoulders. Being a liberal is not always a detriment. An intelligent liberal is a friend to the logical. It’s when we get these people who haven’t thought it through. Those are the problem - on both sides. If you haven’t, check out Thomas Sowell. He is brilliant
Dyson wasn't debating. He was reciting sound bites for later publication. He was playing to the audience with Sound and Fury while Signifying Nothing. When you listen to well-spoken Flat Earthers, they can often spew out pseudo-science with lots of big words that obfuscate rather than explain. “If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself.” ― Albert Einstein
Stephen was pure class, Dyson had no class, Michelle missed the class, and Dr. Peterson taught the class.
very well said..
@@AFringedGentian underrated comment
Pure Gold
Put very well 👍
I know already from past clips as soon as I hear Dyson it's going to be a fake babbling Shakespearean class of how we should just shut the F up.
One of the best parts of this debate was when Dyson revealed himself to be the absolutely virulent racist that he is at the end.
I agree.
Mans had a complete meltdown, straight threw a temper tantrum😂
Or, the worst part…but I understand what you mean.
I love how he tries to do the old guy "Hey fellow kids" thing by trying to talk using "why so angry, bruh" as a gotcha retort, and then reverts back to the warbly church pastor voice.
What an absolute clown of a huckster.
You forgot at the beginning, middle to that.
If your best response is a personal attack in a debate, you’re not debating, you’re losing.
All rules are 180 now to intentionally destroy us.
Well put, tried to know Peterson off balance but it did nothing to him
Concerning Dyson: "A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion."
Oooooh! I love that. In quotations…may i I ask who it’s attributed to?
From: Proverbs 18:2
@@theilluminatedstitch Solomon was very wise indeed.
Oh nice Catbenedict beautifly put but just in case, that'll be King Solomon, wisest of the wise
I find it repulsive that he makes a good living, being a hate filled fool.
Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson is the tag team you do NOT want to go up against. It was an excellent debate and Stephen Fry was brilliant. He is a very well educated and genuinely lovely human being.
Honestly, Steven Fry carried Peterson that debate. You could pair him with Joe Biden and it'd be a team to reckon with.
These two are like the Avengers for society. Let their super powers destroy the villians.
..You are absolutely correct.. Regardless of the debate.. I would not take the opposing side of virtually any subject.
@@lanzer22 How old are you? Ask Peterson about why he supports Israel's war crimes since 1946.....
I think well educated in the best British tradition is quite important.
Dyson came across as an ignorant, race-baiting, word-salad bully. Not really sure why she was there. Stephen and Jordan wiped the floor with their opponents. Jordon asking them to describe when the left goes too far..... one of the best questions i have heard
Michael Eric Dyson is 100% is the stuffed-suit version of Oswald Bates.
Yes, what is the measurable goal, when do you, how do recognize it? It always will elude you.
They hardly get questioned at all! The left always dominates the narrative and starts accusing opponents of fascism etc which then has the person defending themselves rather than going after the Leftist
10:36 I've met a few people in my life who talk like Dyson. They can go on and on sounding extremely educated and philosophical, using complicated arguments and advanced vocabulary, but there is nothing that is actually being said.
It's baffling to me how they can be using so much brain power but not able to grasp or accept the most basic truths that the average child understands.
Dyson's use of idiom is almost always incorrect and illiterate and he's just uttering these things because he heard them once and thought they sounded erudite. But, hey, when in Rome.
Agreed! On the whole.
However, ‘advanced’ vocabulary’? Hmmmm.
He just seems to throw in a bunch of additional, meaningless, syllables.
Appears unable to use the correct grammar necessary to deliver, perfectly good, existing words.
Absolute tit.
Dyson is the living embodiment of malapropism. I think there’s an In Living Color skit based on him.
"Egad, but the man has courage; he twists his tongue well about no subject at all." -Unknown Spartan
Dyson's affectations of speech show him up to be a small man, a pale imitation of everything that Stephen Fry actually is.
Stephen Fry is a national treasure 🇬🇧
The same fool whose like "BONE CANCER IN CHILDREN REALLY" BOOHOO NIGHA
I’d say international! Or at least, he’s someone I look up to and aspire to be more like despite being from the US. I’ll never be as eloquent, but I hope to be as understanding.
My biggest problem with the term "transphobe" is that it's an attempt to conflate any criticism of their position as being an "irrational fear" or mental illness. It's gaslighting and an ad hominem, all in one.
Poisoning the Well. The use of that type of sophistry has always been the defining characteristic of the left in my opinion, especially among those who consider themselves the intelligentsia (e.g. pretentious wafflers like Dyson).
Kind of like "antisemitism".
@@picnic66 Those individuals which lack proper information, knowledge, ideas, concepts, principles, morals, views, perspectives, perceptions, are also lacking basic, proper human though, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning.
So, as seen at least within each of the selected responses by both Michael Eric Dyson and Michelle Ohr [both unknown to me and certainly insignificant] both are unable to convey anything meaningful, points within the intended topic of discussion/debate
A. They each refuse to present any ideas, concepts, basis
B. They
C. Dyson is explicitly recorded with his explicit prejudice, bigotry, baseless internal hatred with his derogatory, deriding, condemning, labels which are certainly unfounded, improper, vile, appalling, despicable, disturbing, arrogant, haughty, egotistical character 'assassination", which is certainly a clear indication, of low self-image, lacking self-confidence, and base within any useful, helpful, beneficial, opposition, presentation, ideas, concepts from which to counter, "debate", thus resorts to using his improper labels
D. Note, those with proper basis, ideas, concepts, principles, thoughts, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning, morals, etc. are not negatively affected by the improper, derogatory labels of Michael Eric Dyson, thus also, basically ignore them, thus proceed with the main topic without any shown comment or retort to the improper comments.
E. Michael Eric Dyson along with Michelle Ohr are clearly among the media promoted individuals which lack proper human development, basic thought, thinking, logic, reason, reasoning, information, knowledge, principles, morals, thus are actually among the 'low level" within humans, not even reaching 'pseudo-intelliensia" ! 😲
'Misogynist' is often used in the same way.
'Misogynist' is often used in the same way.
It was amazing. Fry and Peterson were brilliant. The other two were sad. Dyson, here and elsewhere, showed himself to be smug and hateful .
He's a racist, pure and simple.
Yapping at a Canadian and an Englishman (IN Canada) about slavery. Know your audience Dyson.
Dyson is also an unapologetic racist. That is at the core of his being.
I think Steven's comment during the debate summed up their opponents. "i think people are going to look back at this debate about political correctness and wonder why we didn't talk about political correctness"
fantastic debate.
This is what happens when one has no argument and their perspective is indefensible. Debate is where truth is flushed out. Free speech is necessary! Censorship (political correctness) is the domain of the tyrant and truth is his enemy.
Yes the insidiousness of Political Correctness is it's 'self censorship' .... humans need freedom of self expression, or we die from within.
Ohh... I'm taking that. Appreciated
A friend of mine said, "...where truth is a stranger and they embrace mendacity as a lover."
@@chrisfelouzis7195 free speech absolutism doesn't work. Coercion is language and subjective. There is no objective social solution to the threat of violence
I'm a "Heinz 57" American. I have English, Irish, Scots, Scandanavian, French, and Cherokee in my DNA. I have worked and struggled, I have moved, I have used food stamps, I have done everything and travelled every avenue to provide for my family. I have walked to work rather than take on a loan for a car I can't afford. Where is my privilege? Because I'm an average-looking "white male," I have had white racists assume I share their bigotry and black racists assume it as well. I AM A MAN. I am not a group. I am not a statistic or a stereotype. I can admire Douglas MacArthur and Frederick Douglas in the same sentence and not feels any shame, and I am not required by anyone to apologize for my ancestry, because it does not define me. I am an American man doing all he can, and that is all anyone can do, Black, White, Gay, Straight, Female, or Male. If you can do it better, please come and live my life.
Complaining about Ethnic Privilege, is like complaining about why the sky is blue. Yes, America was settled and created by White Europeans based on their traditions and history, just like many other nations were founded on their own.
At least we can all be misogynistic thanks to modern f m nism. ;). Sucks though doesn't it.
Just to be clear that was a joke because of the assumption of shared racism piece.
Explain,please.
@@marnieweaver3935 Are you asking the OP Marnie?
Man, I physically cringe when people flounder and embarrass themselves like that lady did. It's so uncomfortable to see them build the plank, walk to the end, and then dive headfirst into the ocean. All while reciting the many benefits of seawater for your lungs.
That's really beautifully written.
I feel they've spent so long preaching to the faithful, they've never had their opinions challenged or even had to think through what they believe.
I didn't know about Dyson before watched this debate, but afterwards I had to look him up. Turned out he also did the foreword for White Fragility. It all just clicked.
He’s a peach for sure.
The good part, once you hear him speak, you know what he’s going to say on everything.
So you only have to endure him a single time.
Yes a book of utter garbage front to back. Matt Taibbi's review of it was appropriate.
Dyson uses a lot of fancy words and phrases to say nothing of substance.
Ditto.
“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”- Webster’s Dictionary definition of Michael Eric Dyson.
You know you lost the argument when you start dropping the white privilege card.
One hundred per cent. 🎯
@@MissBeeeBeee I think they realised they lost the argument when Stephen and Jordan walked up on the stage.
Especially when his entire career is based on his black skin.
"Hey, would you like to participate in a debate about a thing?"
"Sure! As long as I don't have to talk about the actual thing."
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
😂✌🏼
Congrats on 100k!
About TIME !!!
that dyson guy is the worst kind of people in the world.
His job is to create racial division. It's why he exists.
And he’s very well paid for what he does.
worse than literal nazis? or khmer rogue?
@@willreznicek4202 worser, much worser.
Dyson must love racism... it's given him a career and an identity! He'd be nothing without it!
That woman did NOT belong on stage she offered NOTHING of value. The word salad king Michael "Windbag" Dyson has never proven to be a person who speaks with wisdom. Dr. Peterson and Stephen Fry outclassed their opponents easily. This was a non-debate.
Yesterday I asked a friend if he had read the Twitter Files. He said no. I asked why. He said "It's all bs and not worth my time". I said fine, but there's a lot in there, and written by former NY Times journalists (he reads NYT regularly). He said " Stop! Just stop!". He then said " I knew I lost you two years ago.". We argued over Bidens vaccine mandate, I opposed, he didn't. He is so utterly obsessed with his hate for Trump that no matter what, he will see ALL non liberal narratives instantly as b.s. he then accused me of "going down rabbit holes". Crazy division and so many captured minds. I was like him too, and we used to agree politically, but the past 5 years truly opened my eyes.
PS. He is also the most overt racist I know, and uses the N word around me freely, and used it loudly in front of my wife and two kids.
@@jimmoses6617Curious. Is he white?
Congrats on breaking your conditioning. Unfortunately you’re now in the minority.
That the problem with most indoctrinated people, they’re told anything outside of what they were taught to be “good” is inherently evil. Liberal = Good, Conservative = Bad. This way they don’t have to listen to the argument because “hear no evil” in their view.
It’s pathetic, frankly.
@@littlecatfeet9064I have to say, I hadn't thought much about it before reading your comment but indeed, I am now curious myself........ However I am also wondering why you wouldn't be curious as to the writer's race as well?? For deeper context when visualizing the scenario he's described I would need to know the race of both parties, js 😉
The angry white man comment really devalued the debate. I’ve never seen a good interview with that guy. Congrats on over 100k subs now. 🎉
Mine was Christopher Hitchens opening argument against censorship and for freedom of speech. “Don’t take refuge in the false sense of security. And the feeling you are bound to be okay because you are in the safely moral majority.”
I miss him
When I heard about this debate I originally thought it was Fry vs Peterson and I thought “this will be interesting.” When I realized they were together I thought, “omg, they’re gonna murder these guys!”
As a direct result Stephen and Jordan, did have a discussion about religion which was very interesting and worth finding on CZcams
I recently (finally) read Mill’s On Liberty. One of the arguments for freedom of speech that hit me the hardest is that those who would censor have to think they are 100% correct…and what has history taught us, except how many times we, and especially governments, get it WRONG. Therefore, we MUST allow freedom of thought and speech, because we also must (if we claim to be honest) admit the possibility (and probability) of being wrong in some point. Therefore, it follows that we allow freedom of speech, if only for the reason of finding out where it is that we are wrong.
I'll definitely have to purchase and read that, thanks for sharing. This is basically my rationale for being against all the net-zero climate agenda. We all have plans, and we all have failed plans. Even if everything they claimed about the coming climate apocalypse were true (it isn't), the solution still would not be to put all of our resources and energy into this single plan dreamed up by politicians, effectively cutting off every other avenue for innovation. It's a simple question at the end of the day: is it more sensible to trust entirely in the plan of our current leaders, or ought we trust in the collective brilliance of all humans?
It's a lot like the great horse manure crisis of 1894. Everyone was convinced that the problem would continue to grow exponentially and make things completely unlivable. And then the automobile took over and the problem vanished overnight. Imagine if instead of allowing citizens to innovate, the government had simply spent all the nations resources and energy on restricting economic growth, and actually pushed for reducing productivity and freedom? Which is exactly what we're doing now. And that would just be on the local scale, or the national scale at most. Today they're forcing this on a global scale, which is the epitome of elitism with regards to developed nations demonizing undeveloped nations for trying to improve their nations and the lives of their citizens. It's climbing up the rope to comfort and then cutting it for those that follow.
We all need the freedom to be wrong in order to find out what's actually good, what's actually right, and what actually works. That last one is perhaps the most important, and why the free market is our single greatest boon for improvement.
Agreed for me it's just like human rights. If there are human rights they have to be for everyone, even those who took the human rights away from others.
It could be very easily decided by those in charge who does and doesn't deserve human rights and that's just dangerous. It's like a bite inhibition, once you know you can do it is it so easy to stop yourself? Or the kinds of people who enjoy taking the rights from others. Instead of being in the prisons they'd be in the police force
Yes! That's the absolute essence of the social importance of free speech. It is the only way for a group of people to improve the way society functions - to freely share ideas, vigorously challenge every idea, and eventually, EVENTUALLY figure out which ones work best. I also appreciate Peterson's argument that, on an individual basis, speaking freely is essential to thinking clearly. The minute we shut down our verbal expression, we have reduced our ability to think. Everyday, we can see the chilling downward spiral these two effects are creating.
The perfect example of that is American slavery. Freedom of speech gave us the ability for a minority voice to gain amplification through merit and reason, to become a majority voice, and at many times unpleasant and hateful, in order to realize a moral wrong and correct it.
I remember this debate. Dyson and his partner? Their positions were chilling in their fanaticism and cognitive dissonance.
@evalramman as are most of the radical 'progressive' left, unfortunately. As Stephen Fry said, they're recruiters for the right 😐
@@springwood1331 Who are actually regressives - they hate the idea of gender-blindness and race-blindness.
I absolutely love listening to Stephen Fry. He is able to make even the most mundane topics, like grass growing or paint drying, utterly fascinating. I could listen to him for hours. Such a gentleman. Thank you for this video; I shall now sit back and enjoy :)
There’s a video I listen to to fall asleep where Stephen Fry reads about a Lavender Farm. I love it 💜
I was going to say something similar, he's logical yet able to make the listener feel his reasoning in a thoughtful well mannered way.
@@Ifailedeverythingme too, Blue Gold 😊
Dyson is unsufferable. 🐿
😄😄🙌🙌 Precisely what I came to say! Thank you!
He's ALWAYS been insufferable.
Race-baiting bigots frequently are.
@@perspectiveiseverything1694 Clearly, certainly within this video compilation, the improper, incorrect, invalid, disgusting, appalling, despicable derogatory, deriding, condemning labels which Michael Eric Dyson stated about either or both Jordan and Steven indicate certain improper, invalid, mindset, prejudice, bias, bigotry, baseless hated !! 😲
I always found it amazing that the public scrutiny for political correctness is almost entirely one sided.
Of course being politically correct always reminds of ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’.
If you’re smart, wise, good, and pure you’ll see the King’s clothes. No one wants to appear otherwise, so of course they agree and never tell the truth of themselves. They just agree and add to the lie.
Brilliant debate. Thank you.
"Mr. Peterson"? Really? He earned being called "Dr." Please respect that. I remember watching this when it aired. It was brilliant and it definitely inspired me. Notice that Dr. Peterson and Stephen Fry continue to respect their opponents. This was a smart debate and Peterson and Fry nailed this debate. The other side got so emotional and irrational. There was a lack of relaxation and common sense. The word salad and racist comment was uncalled for. That was the turning point.
Technically, he is "Professor emeritus". I know a few people who would consider being called "Dr." at this stage of their career extremely disrespectful.
My aunt was a debate judicator and always made clear at the onset that, "Any use of supposed intelligence or use of flamboyant language in an attempt to make idiocracy appear intelligent I will immediately call BS on."
I watched this debate years ago (in part) and couldnt sit through all of Dyson's word salad and bullshit to save my life. Some of us are built for this and some are not.
In the USA, perhaps. But, just like with measurements, Americans use a whole different scale!
The Left goes too far. The Right goes too far. People like Stephen Fry are well-respected because they are willing to challenge their own side without pretending all societal issues are caused by the other side. I wish more people were like Mr Fry.
In what cases does the right go too far?
@@sanniepstein4835I am genuinely interested in the answer to this question.
@@sanniepstein4835The Right goes too far when they begin to act like everyone the Left hates is automatically good. Also, in this day and age, when they start to think conspiratorially. That’s when the Right goes too far.
@@sanniepstein4835 What do you consider to be the policies of a right wing government?
Ten commandments in classrooms which violates the constitution.......that seems too far....banning books seems too far.....if you read project 2025 fully I think you will be horrified by some of the things and will agree they go too far. But that's just the right ..the left are asking for women's spaces to be open to anyone who professes themselves a woman. Peeping toms used to have to hide on the bushes but under this lefty madness they just have to buy a pant suit then they can stroll through ladies changing rooms at will. Both side have glaring mistakes and foolishness. A pragmatic person realises this and doesn't allow themselves to be indoctrinated to the extent that they become blind to their own failures.
I remember this debate from way back. My favorite part was Stephen Fry's closing statement. He had just followed Michael Eric Dyson, who is truly a moron. Fry began his statement referring to Dyson's debate style as "huckstering, snake oil, pulpit talk," but in the most passive-aggressive way. It was glorious.
and if I remember correctly, said what I thought was the most poignant words of the whole debate 'we have lost the ability of being playful with ideas' or something similar
Stephen Fry is a national treasure. Alongside Rowan Atkinson and The Monty Python crew.
Don't forget Hugh Laurie ..
Rowan Atkinson? Monty Python? Not sure they've achieved the status of national treasures.... that title is for the likes of Steven Fry and David Attenborough.
@@jackdeladd238 Not enough people listen to Rowan Atkinson.
and all have said similar things about freedom of expression being stifled by the modern "liberal" political ideas on what's acceptable and the mob mentality which goes with it.
When the Monty Python Crew, Stephen Fry and Rowen Atkinson started out in comedy they had to fight against the likes of Mary Whitehouse and her listeners and viewers association, a conservative organisation with a small c, but probably also mostly Conservative with a big C bunch who would protest about anything they found offensive, it was those on the left who demanded freedom of expression, but now they are the people who stand outside events protesting or run media campaigns against a certain act or speaker.
He’s not a national treasure. He’s a global treasure, or at the very least a treasure to the Western World.
I feel exactly the same the same. This debate changed my wavering confidence making me realise I wasn’t wrong to think the way I did. Pivotal moment in my life. Thanks for giving it a platform again. ❤️
let's not overlook how when Peterson makes the point about making a "white privilege tax" Dyson unironically agreed saying "You talking some good shit right here." the sudden shift from the sanctimonious word-salad tells me that was the first and only time he was honestly speaking his mind the entire debate.
Great point. I guess I didn't hear him say that. What struck me about his rant is that at the height of it, he was talking to the audience; I think looking for that "reaction" as opposed to making a real point for a debate.
@@pinetree5489 are you talking about Peterson? Either way, the point of a public debate is to make your case to both your opponent and the crowd. Peterson often looks across the crowd to see how they react to what he says before focusing on his opponent during debates.
@@kellyevans3254 I was talking of Dyson. I had considered adding in a caveat to my statement that the clip I was speaking of was short and didn't show all of his rant from one angle AND that the others would also look at the audience at times too but just didn't include it. That may 'ruin' my point, but I'd still say his rant was more 'for' the audience.
@@pinetree5489 Dyson was super insufferable
The thing I remember best about this debate was Dyson wandering off topic and Jordan Peterson let himself wander as well. Then Stephen took his turn to speak and mentioned how people watching this in the coming years will be surprised that the original subject hadn't been discussed. He did it in an amusing wording much better than I have paraphrased here.
Always enjoy hearing Stephen speak, because he really does believe in free speech, and working things out in the free exchange of ideas.
Fry is a classical liberal which any sensible person would also choose, note I’m English and liberal has a different connotation in the US
It's a word I avoid. Too many conflicting meanings.
That's because American leftists co-opted and castrated the term. They have done the same to "progressive", now they are debasing "democracy". Soon, "freedom" will equal "slavery".
@@sanniepstein4835 I think it's time to reclaim it. I just call goons like Dyson leftists and Marxists. There's nothing liberal about the modern left.
Liberal in this context is the same in the US, it's a pdf file who wants to have relations with teenage boys
I used to consider myself a progressive. Apparently now I'm a left-leaning libertarian.
Omg....what an amazing duo ( Fry and Peterson). They singularly are riveting to listen to, but as a team they are formidable !
No word salad, no confusion,, just clear, logical argument.
Bravo gentlemen 🎉
Stephen Fry is of course known for frequent collaboration with fellow comedian Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean). Did you see Rowan Atkinson's speech on free speech? It's about 8 minutes long, and it is EPIC. That's the kind of speech that turns people around on an issue.
Stephen Fry = very smart, common sense driven human being. Brilliant mind
Jordan Peterson is a left leaning centrist, only this insane era could label him far to the right.
jordan's a right leaning centrist
@@haydenwalton2766 Yeah he's definitely right leaning, still very moderate to me.
Is that comment meant to be satire?
he's a conservative who shills for a genocide
What?
Polically correct = factually incorrect
Stephen Fry is the dogs bollocks mate. True intellectual. Proper brilliant. And he's funny as fuck too.
That whole debate was eye opening, the fact he is left winger, and is opposing the modern left is pretty telling.
That Dyson guy can definitely serve up a word salad of esoteric words like no other. Problem is that it’s clearly a compensation for lacking in intellect.
Saw this when it was originally posted. JP and Fry are both people you don't want to debate. The woman was just sad. Dyson came off as genuinely filled with hate.
Everything the dude said is a reflection of how he feels himself.
The moment you were cancelled - from your work place - knew you're going to be a force. congratulations at 100K - looking forward ⏩ when you reach 500K subs
Dyson has been exposed in several debates I have seen as a smug, entitled, racist.
Should have included some links to the full debate and the audience polling results.
The video misrepresents the audience poll. The question the audience was asked was, "Be it resolved, what you call political correctness, I call progress". Before the debate, 36% agreed with the statement and 61% disagreed. After the debate, 30% agreed and 70% disagreed. So, they started with a strong majority in Stephen Fry's camp, and the debate moved another 9% into Stephen Fry's side (from 61% to 70%).
Kudos. "My words exactly" won't cut it because you've kicked it up a notch. No smart-assery, no emotional mumbo-jumbo. Straight to the core. Stay healthy, because the world needs You. Cheers!
So glad I found your channel a few months ago. Keep posting these types of videos and expressing yourself. You’re doing great, necessary work
Thanks for highlighting this event again. It was such an imbalance of intellect, simultaneously brilliant and excruciating, that perfectly illustrates the current state of our public discourse. Your assessment was spot on as always.
I watched that debate when it first aired and was utterly fascinated and enthralled by that debate.
In my experience, most young people are 1 dimensional and are unwilling to entertain any view that disagrees with their own or their tribes.
I don’t understand how every time I watch one of your posts I check I am subscribed and sure enough I am not . How can CZcams constantly cancel my subscription ? Love your sane sensible commentary.
As a traditional conservative and a huge Dr. Peterson fan, I really appreciate and enjoy Stephen Fry. I don't agree with him on everything, but he seems to mostly be a good-faith seeker of truth, and those are hard to come by.
You're a good man Warren. Rational human beings support you
Congratulations on the 100k Warren. God bless :)
I miss that version of Jordan Peterson, he was a huge influence on me.
I remember this. Good pick.
Stephen fry is a national treasure and beloved all over the world. An incredible man.
Watched this debate several years ago, its refreshing to have your commentary about it. The Dyson word salad was hilarious 😂
Scott Adams: "Politics is about winning the meanings of words."
Love your content, your calm, reflective demeanor, and your humble intellectual integrity.
Woohoo! 100K!
Eye opener. Thanks
I genuinely feel bad for people whose entire identity is being a 'victim'. That must be exhausting.
They certainly do not live a carefree life.
I believe living a ‘victimhood’ life, quickly ages a person.
I wish Hitch was around to Hitchslap Dyson.
"WHY THE RAGE BRUH" - Dumbledore said calmly
Stephen Frye is a great example of what “well educated” can demonstrate. Frye played chess with Hugh Laurie at Oxford and started a friendship, growing into a collaboration of like interests….and wonderful comic legacy.
They went to Cambridge.
I love this. Keep the debate videos (with your insights) coming.
I’ve wondered about that “mean mad whiteman” origin forever!! Thankyou for clearing that up. (Jordan quotes it tongue in cheek)😂❤️
I'm impressed that you considered this to be very powerful debate. I saw the original debate probably more than 4 years ago. Jordan Petersen and Stephen Fry won the debate by a slim margin. The opposite side Dyson was so typical and still is the same. The opposite never learn like dead wood. I hope this will add to every one's confidence.
6% shift. I wouldn't call it slim margin. It's not overwhelming either but it's not bad.
The audience was not only in that theatre. Had a much bigger impact outside of that one room.
70%/ 30% Is not a 'slim margin'!
Bad news: Government will fire you for thinking on your own.
Good news: The thirst for someone that speaks with reason is a online business model in and of itself.
Congrats on 100k subs
The debate is well worth watching in full. ❤
Thank you for your wonderful insightful and intellectual videos. Excellent analysis and I hope you have tremendous success. 😊😊
The "left" uses emotions to gain power. That's why it devolves into name calling to "win" an argument. The problem being that any problem solved through an emotional response is often the wrong answer and more often than not detrimental to the problem at hand. I don't think this was always the case with the left. I personally don't like being in any political classification as being a "team" member often means that you're beholding to the ideology of that team. I believe it's far better to judge any issue on its' merits.
Both sides use emotions to gain power, but they are often different emotions. Emotions are part of the human experience but can be manipulated by bath-faith actors.
@@Grayto True, however the lefts demographic has a more emotional base.
Great analysis once again. Dyson was clearly exposed as a hypocrite -- You are what I say you are even though I do it as well.
Also, Warren, seeing you on the Epoch Times interview was nice. Fantastic job. 😁
I agree with Fry when he accused the left who go too far as becoming recruiters for the right. I am one example myself, I believe.
In high school I was a clean slate, still learning about the world and politics. In college I agreed more with the left but all this nonsense about political correctness and forcing their viewpoint to the exclusion of others' has made me change my mind.
Seen this last year, it was unbelievably crazy. Love the way Stephen fry puts him down at the end.
They not smart enough to be on the same stage as Stephen Fry
5:23, James Damore did not engage in extremely serious misbehaviour. Maya Forstater didn’t engage in extremely serious misbehaviour. The guy who was fired for teaching his class a Chinese filler word that sounds like the N word wasn’t fired for extremely serious misbehaviour
More than that, the thousands of everyday people who have lost jobs, relationships and more are the victims of that lady's ideology that she will never hear about and never see.
All she sees are the few instances where either someone had the leverage or resources to fight the accusation, or the people in the public eye who she believes were rightfully punished, all the while ignoring the true victims of her worldview.
@@RandomCarrot2806 Yes
Always worthwhile to revisit a debate like this. By the way, i cant help but see that you're not only due a hearty congratulation for the 100k benchmark but for shattering it, which is just a stepping stone to even greater reach. Cheers
The biggest issue I encounter today is the complete lack of common sense. And people just blindly believing what is spoon fed by so-called progressive and mainstream media and political movements and parties.
Left/Right is some weird nonsensical terminology attributed to political systems to appease masses used to watching sports teams. Elevate understanding, step away from these childish labels and measure each idea on its own merits. Fry is an amazing human. Extremism of ideology births counter extremism.
The only better debate I have seen is Christopher Hitchens vs William Lane Craig
I'd seen this debate before but it was interesting to hear your view on it, glad to see it mirrors my own.
Glad to see this channel growing!
I grew up with Stephen Fry playing various figures from history, the hilariously clever, Blackadder. I dont always agree with his views, but wow, can that man articulate. ❤
Blackadder was played by Rowan Atkinson.
This was a great debate and Fry was exceptional in his eloquence but since then he's often back on the side of PC....
The debate was over the moment the opposing 'Race Grifter' Dyson made mention of 'Mean Mad White man' when that wasn't in any way applicable to the debate or to either Dr JP or SF.
another great video, gratz on 100k
Having watched the entire debate, you did a great job distilling it. I wish this was available back then so I could get the highlights without having to sit through Dyson's TV preacher schtick.
Just my opinion. Categorizing people is a natural thing that the mind does as it tries to figure out who a person is. It starts at high level, like boy/girl, then the boxes get progressively smaller until you ultimately decide who you think a person really is. I think that its mostly sub conscious and happens really fast. I don't think that it is something that we choose to do or not do, in my opinion. Its kind of a defensive tactic that mind does as you decide whether someone is friend or foe.
This is to say that, because of the world we live in, the metaphorical Grand Canyon that Fry spoke of, upon meeting someone for the first time, I, not purposely, will put a person into the left or right category (Politically). But then as you learn more and more about someone, that box gets more and more refined until I know a person enough to give them their own space unique to them.
Its like the other side decided to not refine the box but nesting dolled the boxes
The mind makes assumptions and categories so you don't have spend time or energy making what should be easy decisions and so you can draw inferences when you have too little information. Sometimes, this results in incorrect assumptions or overreliance on categories. The key is flexbility: Changing you view based on new information and ignoring categories when reality contradicts them.
Christopher Hitchens is GOAT.
I like his brother better.
Was.
Stephen Fry is one of my favorite people on earth.
stay strong free man!!!
Oh ya. I revenge Dyson's embarrassing performance. He's a fkn farce. 😂
Stephen Fry is no fool. He has a good head on his shoulders. Being a liberal is not always a detriment. An intelligent liberal is a friend to the logical. It’s when we get these people who haven’t thought it through. Those are the problem - on both sides.
If you haven’t, check out Thomas Sowell. He is brilliant
Thank you
People need to STOP labelling people left or right. Its utter rubbish
So true. It’s all part of the current narrative that has lost sight of reality.
Dyson wasn't debating. He was reciting sound bites for later publication. He was playing to the audience with Sound and Fury while Signifying Nothing.
When you listen to well-spoken Flat Earthers, they can often spew out pseudo-science with lots of big words that obfuscate rather than explain.
“If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself.”
― Albert Einstein