Kris Wu, Sexual Assault and the
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- čas přidán 9. 10. 2021
- How did one of China's biggest celebrity get embroiled in talk about sexual assault and the #MeToo movement? Eileen and Yifei discuss the case that shocked China.
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Amazing how many people are so delusional about celebrities they have to blame the victim no matter the evidence. Its so frustrating.
Given the number of false accusations going on, you can't blame people for being skeptical until there is a conviction. The jury should be the judge of who is guilty - not the mob.
@@extremepsyche3135 I get that but there's skeptical and then there's delusional. Sure don't believe the victim at first, but there's no need to cyberbully them and threaten them. Even when he was arrested erratic fans wanted to go to jail alongside him. There should be a rational limit to how far a fan is willing to go for another humanbeing. You can put a celebrity on a pedestal, but it's unreasonable to thing of them as above everyone else like they're a deity.
@@liyuqi8092 Based
@@extremepsyche3135 Well said, we should always stick to the presumption of innocence, no matter what
@@extremepsyche3135 你的评论似乎属于那些所谓的理中客态度 ;-)
Dear Eileen, I have "worked" for about 7 days on this video alone (I am at low intermediate level but like to challenge myself with content a bit above my level) and I will watch it again several times. Your channel is the greatest collection of material for learning Mandarin, I want to thank you for your awesome work. The video was not only full of very useful vocabulary, but also 这个是非常重要的话题。我学了很多的事情关于中国的米兔运动。This MeToo movement is one of the most important movements of the last years in the whole world! So thank you also for bringing it up. 多谢你们！
Thank you for the explicit explanation. Glad that MeToo movement now exist and effective in China. The victims finally get their fair treatment. Sexual predators without valid consent must be severely punished for the sexual crime they committed to innocent unsuspected victims. Victims' lives are permanently destroyed by their criminal senseless filthy acts.
Thank you for bringing up this topic, it’s indeed a very important and critical moment for Chinese entertainment industry and especially for the metoo movement in China. As a Chinese learner I also found this video not only informative but also useful, I learned so many words which I’m sure I couldn’t find in text books. 感谢Eileen也感谢Zhang Yifei
It's funny that Kris used to be the reason why I study Chinese lmao.
Now I become so in love with this language!
She's studying a very interesting and important degree, i heard about this case but only read about it a bit, thanks for bringing it up Eileen. Hopefully people will have more courage to talk about it and maybe boys will be raised better so women won't be victims of abuse, hopefully
Glad I donated/subscribed. Content is awesome as always. The best out there. Guys, SUPPORT THIS AMAZING WOMAN RIGHT NOW!!!!!
I really enjoy your channel and want to thank you for all your hard work in putting out these videos. I will be making my $30.00 donation!
Great content, very useful for vocabulary and got cultural insight. Thank you as always 🙏🏻❤️
yes !!!! this is the content I was waiting for !!! I'm a diplomat currently working on gender issues in China !! I will definitely use and promote your content
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Great episode, both language and content wise!
这就是素质最高的教中文油管频道，谢谢老师，加油！
Thank you Eileen and Yifei!
姐谢谢， 真的您的视频很帮助提高我们在学习中文的汉语水平
Great content! Thank you for this video ☺️👍👍👍
The topics discussed in this lesson are heavy, but very important. Eileen & Yifei are both very well-spoken & executed the discussion well. Yifei's major is very unique & interesting. What school did she study at? I love this lesson style. The notes that clarified certain slangs & terms were very helpful. Terms like "Perfect victim" flawlessly narrates the pressures & expectations put on women who come forward with their assault. 我希望 more celebrities & public figures will be held accountable for their illegal actions & that their disturbing behavior will continue to be addressed. I also hope that justice will be served for all the women affected.
Great vid, i learn some slangs and i really like that you also added the pinyin. Nice work!~
I like this discussion with english subtitle to improve chinese
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I like these videos. Very helpful.
Everybody has right to just trial, even those who are accused of sexual harassment. Why should somebody accused for a murder be judged in the court and somebody accused of sexual harassement by internet crowd.
That being said I love your podcast Eileen !! Thank you for your work of high quality.
I agree and it seems like it all became Money motivated by the numerous victims, via coercion from the internet, Humanity has lost it's mind, via the USA seems like the whole world has gone Me Tooo crazy and I'm not just talking about the Me Toooo Movement either.
To comment on this topic, it is important to consider the legal context and evidence available. In modern law, infidelity itself is generally not considered illegal. However, it's crucial to note that legal systems vary across jurisdictions, so it's necessary to examine the specific laws in the relevant jurisdiction. : )
What’s the difference between Kris Wu and RKelly?
RKelly can sing
PLEASE LMAO
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I really like this way of teaching, I subscribe.
社科=社会学科 吃瓜=了解八卦 套路=被骗
对啊 我也很喜欢这样的方式学习语言 ，
整個案子簡直太離譜了（我是說那個中間人詐騙的事情）。多謝兩位主持人幫我們多了解這個事件，這個話題不只是蠻有意思，也對中國社會男女平等的關係很有影響。
你们拍得视频都给我很大的帮助，希望有一天我的汉语水平可以高到听得了新闻和去中国打工
keep it up
@@Grem305 I’ll try my best ;)
加油！:)
男人和名人能逍遥法外，这令人非常难过，它发生在每个国家，也涉及儿童，是时候停止它并听到受害者的声音了。
非常有意思。谢谢你们! 😀
Thank you 🌹❤
Thank you jie
Cool!!
you are the best :)
Burning issue, thanks for the upload
6:17 holy hell that whole sentence means "internet bullying"?
amazing video, I even tried to search the web for more academic writing from her but I guess it doesn't really show up on the English-language internet just like most academic works from my country don't.
not exactly, they just translated it succinctly. in traditional (because I can't really read simplified):
而且 moreover
還 (she) also
被很多人 by a lot of people
就是 precisely (i think you want to think of this as a way to emphasize something)
進行 carried out/proceed
網路 internet
暴力 violence
So a more literal translation might be "at the time she also was the victim of mass internet bullying"
Ok, now it's Kris' story to be here
Thanks for amazing content
这些粉丝支持他的偶像即使偶像性侵了一百女孩子。粉丝不懂他们其实不认识他的偶像，他想觉得你的偶像是无辜。 我希望受害者可以治疗他们的抑郁。
许多受害者自杀了，或者生活在心理健康问题的恐惧中，我同意你的评论..
Plz make videos on hsk 2 and 3'4'5 with word by word translation plz make videos on these topics hope u will see my comment
发生这样的事情真是太可怕了。希望都美竹能够得到公正。另外，想问一下，都美竹的姓氏应该念”Dōu” 还是”Dū”？听起来好像是”Dū”但视频里的汉语拼音字母写”Dōu”所以我不清楚。
念Du.
@@MandarinCorner2 谢谢你的回应
谢谢你，这个视频很厉害啊。
不仅带来跟吴亦凡的事情更新，而且带来中国的概述关于这个重要的主题。
你和这人专门的考虑很有趣的。我很喜欢。
可是我觉得她的汉字姓名也可能出现了。
Really sad when I heard all this drama because I really love his music
Ah well guess I'll just listen to older songs
Anyway thanks for the very informative podcast as always, there were some really difficult words used so I can learn something new when I listen to it a few times
I'd say we shouldn't treat the works of someone differently just because of this person's crimes. At least, if his behavior didn't affect his works in some obvious and easy noticeable way. I myself would still listen to the songs of my favorite singer/read the book of my favorite writer/watch the movies of my favorite director even if they committed some unthinkable atrocities :) But that's just my opinion, of course.
@@GeorgAnkar Yeah I agree completely of course I'll listen to him, I care about the music not really about him as a person
But if his career gets ruined then there won't be any new songs etc
@@FilipP88 you're still willing to provide support and money to the criminals? Their behaviour is enabled by their money and fame. I think we should all stop listening to the songs or boycott those brands who still work with criminals.
just download it illegally to avoid giving them money
我期待你的下一个视频
“都”念du还是dou？
By the way, it's really useful!
“都”在以下几种情况念du
1.作为地名，如：成都，首都，都市，瓷器之都
2.作为官职名称，如：都督
3.作为姓氏，如：都美竹
“都”在以下几种情况念dou
1.表示全部，如：我们都会说中文
2.表示已经，通常在句末会加上“了”，如：我都无话可说了
@@aynm3722 那么她们都说都（du）美竹
我学到了，谢谢！
damn, guys. sign the paper agreements with girls before you start anything with them. not protecting Kris, - but this is so right thing to do. if you are popular, - do not do stupid things. people gonna try to take advantage of you.
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Doesn't 表情包 mean meme, not emoji?
Yes, actually.
What's the difference? Could be meme, sticker or emoticon or emoji.
It wouldn't be exactly wrong to translate 表情包 to emojis because 表情包 literally means, a package of emojis. And they're usually used as emojis.
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Hi🎉
M From India too.
For the girls other than the unconscious one I am a little unsure what is meant by "manipulation", "sexual exploitation" and "abusing power difference". He basically slept with them and didn't call, right? Or is there something more to it that I don't understand?
Exactly what I was thinking. So ghosting is a crime now???
No, ghosting is not a crime. I think the fact that some or many of the victims were underaged played a big part. In many countries, sleeping with an underaged person is automatically considered "rape" even if the victim is fully conscious of what she was doing. The law deems underaged persons as "children" and hence not capable of fully understanding the situation and consequences of their actions and hence require protection from the law. Some of the victims might indeed be exploiting the situation or knew exactly what they were doing, but that would still not excuse him.
Regardless of whether the victims were of age or underaged, luring them into compromising situations with tricks or on false pretences or by extortion is despicable. "Power difference" - that just means a relationship where one person has power or authority over the other. That's why a boss-employee, teacher-student, adult-child, and here, celebrity-fan, relationship is frowned on. As usually, the weaker one really no equal negotiating power with the other. And the person is the "power" position is expected to have a duty of care for the other.
Yeah I was just thinking the same thing.. After all, all the girls would have been happy to sleep with him over and over if it was a long relationship, their only complaint is that turned out to be a one night relationship. Well, that's not rape.
@@jivvyjack7723 Thanks for the response. I can totally see the power problem in the case of boss-employee or teacher-student, because they have a direct influence over them, e.g. "I really need a B on math.... please?". But for celebrity-fan, I think it is different. If I am in love with my partner, I do admire them, and am essentially their "fan", which you could say makes me vulnerable, or even exploitable (if they don't love me back very much). You can't expect relationships to be equal in power, there is often one who is more in love. This is a very difficult situation for the vulnerable person. Indeed love is not easy, and can just as bad as it feels good, even when you are with you partner, for example if you are jealous or worried that they might leave you. To the more "powerful" partner, it can feel "clingy" or "needy" which makes them distance themselves more. It's very common
Fr man…. The whole thing is just too fishy. My verdict: the guy kris wu is just a player and those girls only accused him because their relationship with him ended shorter than they wished it would’ve been.
So being a player is a crime in China? Interesting
吴亦凡必须受到法律制裁 ！ 希望中国女性们和#metoo 运动胜利所有的案件 ， 多亏有你们来讨论这个主题 thanks looking forward for more
A victim who seeks monetary compensation when criminal charges are in prospect is in a fraught business as much in the West as in China. It needs professional assistance and should not be undertaken without it.
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所以 都美竹 在自己 被 强奸 后 又跟 强奸犯谈了恋爱？？？ 我觉得 如果是强奸的话 应该 不管 WU 要不要 和她 谈恋爱 该强奸都是强奸。 因为 取决于 发生性行为的时候 DMZ 拒绝 发生 性行为与否, WU又有没有强迫 DMZ发生性关系。 而 如果 后来又 谈恋爱，似乎说明 女方 愿意发生关系？？ 或者对于 DMZ 来说， 她的原则就是 谈恋爱的话 发生性关系她接受。 不谈恋爱的话那发生性关系她不接受。 但界定强奸与否。不就是界定发生性关系时是否强迫女性发生性关系么。 感觉 听你们聊完。似乎 还是只能界定成是 WU 以谈恋爱为由骗色。。。。。而且说 吴亦凡 目前因为涉嫌 强奸被逮捕是 女权胜利 我真的很不喜欢。 因为被逮捕 取决于 违法与否。而不取决于 舆论和 感情 或者 道德, 可能 我就是 女嘉宾说的 理中客。 而且 即便能和女方共情，也不认为应该因为女方值得同情，就认同她的指控。 因为 判断WU违法没有 到底 什么行为触犯了哪条法律。 本来就不应该感情用事。本来就 不应该被 舆论影响。我觉得还是说是法律的 胜利 好一点。如果说他 因为 骗色 而 身败名裂 所有人和 主流媒体 都认为 他行为不端，虚伪，为人不齿， 我觉得可以说是 女权的胜利。我也可以支持。 但他 该不该 蹲牢房 取决于 他的行为 违法没有。 似乎在中国的 环境里， 女性就理所应当的 感性。男性就理所应当的 理性。而女性感性，不理性，是没有错的。 我完全不认为这么想是对的。 以我的了解 大部分西方国家 都认为 理性是 智慧的一部分， 是受到良好教育的 表现。是合格文明公民的基本标准。 而不是某个性别特有的特质 。无论男女，作为能承担社会责任的 成年人，对于一个人该不该蹲监狱都应该保持理性的判断。 而且 这也是为什么 有 女权运动，和 女性要 平等的受教育。 因为 与理性相对的不是感性，与理性相对的只是愚昧。
以上有一个愤怒的性侵辩护士，请忽略他。
可能因为你不是中国人，所以你对这件事的了解不是很深入。据我所知，吴亦凡被指控涉嫌强奸罪，并不仅仅是因为都美竹，更多的是吴亦凡被指控强奸他的粉丝。有证据证明：吴亦凡利用挑选女演员等借口欺骗他的女粉丝，然后对她们实施强奸，并且还对她们进行威胁。这件事情远远比你想象的更加复杂，我也只是了解一点点。况且，吴亦凡目前只是作为犯罪嫌疑人被逮捕，并不意味着他100%有罪。吴亦凡是否有罪还要等待接下来的司法审判。
@@aynm3722 你特么少废话！人家说的就是毒梅毒，你别说其他的。就说毒梅毒是不是一个撒谎的骚或吧！？
@@aynm3722
回答问题！讲真话！
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THIS SHOULD BE MANDATORY LESSON FOR EVERYONE IN HIGH SCHOOL. IT OUTLINES THE MAJOR ISSUES THAT FEMALES FACE WHEN "SEXUALLY HARRASSED, ASSAULTED OR RAPED." I AM A MAN AND KNOW THAT MEN GENERALLY LACK EMPATHY FOR FEMALE VICTIMS. AS A MAN I DO NOT WORRY ABOUT BEING RAPED OR ASSAULTED. THATS WHY IT IS SO HARD TO EMPATHIZE WITH WHAT HAPPENS TO WOMEN. SO, OBVIOUSLY, IT WILL HAVE TO BE A UNITED FEMALE MOVEMENT TO DEMAND GIVING SEX-ASSAULT VICTIMS A VOICE, TERMS TO DEFINE THE ASSAULT AND LAWS THAT VALUE A WOMAN'S BODY AND INNER INTEGRITY. THE FIRST DEFENSE AGAINST ASSAULT CHARGES IS TO ATTACK THE VICTIM. IF SHE IS NOT PERFECT EVERY FAULT, EVERY MISTAKE SHE'S EVER MADE WILL BE USED TO DISCREDIT HER. OF COURSE, "SLUT SHAMING" IS A POWERFUL ATTACK AGAINST A VICTIM: SHE SEDUCED HIM, SHE'S PROMISCUOUS ETC. ETC. ALL OF WHICH HAS NO BEARING UPON THE FACT SHE WAS RAPED, ASSAULTED OR HARRASSED. THESE ISSUES SILENCING WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED ARE MAGNIFIED IN EASTERN CULTURES WHERE IT IS HORRIFYING AND A GREAT TABOO TO TALK ABOUT SEX ISSUES PUBLICALLY. HOWEVER; CULTURES EVERYWHERE USE "SLUT-SHAMING' TO SILENCE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT. A LATINA WOMAN TOLD ME OF BEING RAPED. THE FIRST THING SHE SAID TO HER RAPIST WAS "PLEASE, DON'T TELL MY NEIGHBORS!" SHE KNOWS HER CULTURE WILL CALL HER A "SLUT" AND BLAME HER. HER REPUTATION WILL BE DESTROYED AND NO DECENT MAN WILL MARRY HER. THE LATIN CULTURE IS HEAVILY CATHOLIC AND CATHOLICS WORSHIP THE VIRGIN MARY--THE IDEAL OF WOMANHOOD: VIRGINITY. MIDDLE EASTERN CULTURES HAVE "HONOR KILLINGS" WHICH INCLUDES KILLING RAPE VICTIMS BECAUSE THEY DISHONOR THE FAMILY BY BEING "CONTAMINATED" THROUGH RAPE. THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES IN THE WORLD BUT IT WILL BE WOMEN THAT MUST MAKE THEIR SOCIETY VALUE THEM BECAUSE MEN GENERALLY DON'T CARE. THAT IS WHY MEN SO EASILY ASSAULT WOMEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
As a retired social worker specializing in sexual abuse, I saw the same defence used when the victims were children. One even claimed a five year old seduced him against his will. Unfortunately, I also saw this type of defense attacking the victims be successful at times and not just with male jurors, I saw females refuse to vote to convict because the pervert had a sweet smile or a kind face. When we even had a confession. There are so many things wrong with this whole system.
Wow is it just me or has Eileen been working on a tan? XD
我注意到，在美国很多那些反对性别不平等的人对于美国国外的性别不平等的事有一点儿都不在乎。
我觉得你很错。现实只是普通人不能关注全世界的新闻，特别不能关注每一个性侵犯案，因为说实话有太多这样的案子。可是，假如你来告诉美国的女人，中国女人像她们一样也想对抗性别不平等和暴力，她们大部分就会感受团结。这可能是一种工人阶级国际主义。
What you say is nonsense.
Funenlo
20:55 see how evil you are. this is your face, lady :)
There is no way in hell I would use the MeToo movement in China. You will accuse the wrong one and get disappeared. I'd be very careful who I pointed a finger at.
I really believe that your podcast is the best tool for learning Chinese on internet.
But I was really surprised this time by the credit your guest gives to the comments from the social media crowd. I don't understand how someone so educated like your guest can be so biased and base her harsh judgments on comments from a raging mob on social media. I am aware that it is not always easy to prove that you are the victim of a crime or sexual abuse. However, it seems dangerous to me to consider someone a criminal solely on the basis of the accusations of an alleged victim, without going through a judicial process. The guest strangely gave me the impression that she found the existence of the judicial court useless in the case of sexual abuse. An almost fanatical way of wanting to put an end to a social problem.
Man we need more of those, the gender studies ppl really are leading the way forward for humanity, what would we do without them?
Real question is how did we even survive so far without gender studies ppl lecturing us about life...?
Omw to gender reassignment surgery, peace!
Ideological content...? Ok, going back to Chinese Pod!!
Nonsense
Your videos are really good, high quality, and *generally* you have interesting topics, but this is just tabloid BS! If I wanted this, I'd read the Sun... 😔🤢🤮
bruh then don't watch.