Rendering Bees Wax Cappings **and Completely Dealing with the SLUM!** with a Finlay Wax Melter
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- čas přidán 26. 09. 2019
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I finally got to use my Finlay Wax Melter! The unit came from Simon Lalonde, Clavet Saskatchewan. This unit makes makes me wonder why I ran our old unit so long... Our old wax sump melter could not keep up to the daily Wax cappings produced throughout the extracting day. Not only was it slow, but it was terribly inefficient with power, costing me too much $$$!
Throughout the production run, we accumulated many drums of cappings overflow which we will now process through the FInlay. My old unit is is retired. The savings of power by operating this Finlay will pay back in dividends.
The Finlay Melter is 220 power, digital thermostat, very well insulated, on wheels, and built for easily access inside the drum. The unit melts inside/outside in. A water jacket pipe in the center of the unit quickens the melt time.
I first run the unit at 75 degrees C for 6-12 hrs to allow salvaged honey to tap off without heat damage. Then we cranked the unit up to 90 degrees C to heat the wax so we can pour it. Approximately 24 hrs cycle.
To finish off, we fill with water to the tap level and press the slum to the bottom. We let it cook for 24 hrs which completely dries out the wax from the slum. The slum crumbles like cake after processing it.
To run the unit commercially, we will continually fill and tap the wax daily throughout the production week, then press the accumulated slum during the weekend to end the cycle. This unit will easily keep up to my wax production on a 1500 hive, 60 frame cowen extraction operation. The ease of use and the efficiency will pay for this unit back in dividends!
I love watching beekeeping/honey extraction/wax rendering videos so much. I love learning new things, and they’re so very relaxing to watch, especially when they’re done with so much care and thoroughness like how you do them.
Those are _beautiful_ beeswax you rendered. Keep up the great work!
I love how most try and get all of the possible bees wax out of it cause you know how hard tye bees worked on making it.
Very, very interesting Ian. Glad to see your new investment is taking care of the job. Thanks.
Great Ian.....and I thought the new melter would make things easier for you.....there is lots of work in every aspect of this career....but you are certainly capable of doing what needs to be done...Thank you sir for sharing your life....
Wow that cleaned it out really well.
I learned a lot of things over the years and always had the "weights" to endeavor new things, but every so often I get schooled by people like you, lol; that is a sweet machine, especially that it allows you to be so efficient on stuff that otherwise would not have so much value.
Great office! Coffee on one side, beer on the other side.
Warren Winter
Lol 😂
Amazing, thanks for showing that full Cycle!
Nice new setup! I bet you are stoked!
Thanks for the demonstration Ian, its a great melter. Beeswax currently about $4 per pound will quickly pay for itself with the salvaged wax from the slum and saved honey.👍
good assembly and good work, Ian. hello from Siberia!
Thanks, this is so relaxing and interesting
That definitely is a sweet unit 👍
Interesting unit. I’m sure your glad that you can save time and money with this unit that’s on wheels.
just watched this for the 10th time
LOVE it Melter is way to big foe my operation
will contact Lalonds for information on the smaller unit
the slum water makes the best weed killer ever
Nice demonstration of the new wax melter. I'm so small but use a frier pot to melt the wax. Then I add a long strainer in the wax to separate the sludge from the wax. Then I scoop the liquid wax with a large ladal and pour it in a bucket with hot water on the bottom. Works for me and it's cheap to do.
As for your leftover honey. You said, you use it to make barbecue sauce. If you have a lot, I've seen one wax producer sell it to the baking companies. that camelization doesn't seem to be an issue for him.
Very nice rig .😎😎👍👍
You need a floor drain over bu the wall fir the dirty water. That wax looks beautiful
I have found the “slum” works really well as a fire starter
old coment ,but the way he does it get all the wax of the slum ,what make it just as a good fire start was ants
With all your rain, cold, and cloudy weather it must have been nice to try out your new toy. It looks like it will serve you well. Hope you got all your canola harvested before this weather hit.
Russell Koopman
Yes and yes
We worked hard to get the crop in before this weather hit.
Soys sunflowers and corn left
AWESOME!
Great video.
agree with those who'd like to see the tank lifted and lowered as need be. My back hurts just watching. Have seen lifting with the hi-lo, conveyer for the pans, etc suggested, was wondering if a rail overhead with a block and tackle would be a smooth lift/lower mechanism for the hot liquids?
I place a small pail that's the same height as the mold into the mold. Wax from the melter goes into the pail and overflows into the mold. No need for a sifter and pouring wax from one mold to the other.
I think I would be inclined to raise that unit a small bit off the ground for easier use , but then I am getting older and hate bending over anymore. LOL
Rojer Grison
Except, then it would be harder to dig out the Slum
I was thinking the same: scissor-lift or an elevated floor (with ramp?) so that you can stand either on the same level or much lower. Then you can put the castingbuckets on dollies and that saves you a lot of lifting.
For getting out the junk at the end, consider a shopvac instead of hanging over the edge.
I can truly tell that once your back is dickered you realize what you should have done to prevent it. I had that moment at the age of 41.
I raised mine so it'll dump into a five-gallon pail. That works great but yes, it's a trade-off when cleaning out the slum. I am taller than average and I can just reach the bottom so it all worked out for me.
I enjoyed this video 10x more than Disney's Star Wars trilogy.
That's a slick machine!
That Bee Man at Faith Apiaries
It’s insulated very well. I turned off the melter for the night while tapping off the slum, it didn’t harden overnight lol
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog I think that Canola oil helped hold some of that heat.
Never thought of that,
I think I'd use a shop vac to get slum. Sweet machine.
Muito bom, parabéns 👏👏👏👏🐝🐝
two suggestions:
1. put the metal slum strainer in before you fill with water
2. Put enough water in to raise the wax layer above the valve so you get all the wax out of the tank when draining the wax
James Ritchie
The Slum screen is used to hold the Slum down into the water and out of the wax layer uptop
Amazing video. Thank you for taking the time to record and post it. :) I am a beeswax candle maker from Vancouver Island. I'm on the hunt to connect and understand the ways of beekeeping, the farmers and the land. My dream is to come onto a farm and volunteer my time to learn all about honey bees, honey, rendering and beeswax. I am also looking to create a long lasting and trusted business relationship with the farmers. Do you know where a good place to start is? Thank you for your help.
Hi Ian, could you mix sawdust in with the slum and make some nice fire-starters or would the slum burn on its own? Nice piece of equipment you purchased there.
JP thebeemaninDE
Probably but it’s pretty much dry like cake here, use it as it is 👍
Is that an Assassins Creed sound effect? Cool machine, bit much for my 3 hives but who doesn't love toys!
Love the snub nose beer
I'd say you got every pit of that wax works good
Hello, have you thought about steam cleaning the interior of the machine that you clean on Sundays that you dig the wax out of. A high pressure steam drench would clean and sanitize that little lot in no time. JANBOY. Thailand.
How much canola oil did you use to fill it up? I ordered one and waiting for it to arrive. Thanks for the videos
Very smart job there with the final waste looking like compost. If I can make a suggestion to save you back by raising the machine to enable you to fill the moulds directly and then have a hop up to stand on when reaching in.
I had years on the tools as a carpenter and now have the back to prove it. All that lifting and bending constantly.
I know silly old duffer what dose he know🤣
Mark Butters
Good feedback from a silly old duffer lol
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog you know🤣🤣
I keep pronouncing it as SLURM in my head lol
Amazing videos, thank you. 1:10 there must be an easier way?
Is it possible to harvest honey from combs via compression instead of slinging?, like if you where to squash the full comb and catch the honey would it get rid of the need to render cappings?
In your description you mentioned the water pipe however in the video your using canola oil. Does the unit require the use of water for the inside pipe and oil for the outside pipe? The oil seems like an expensive added cost verses using just water.
john adams
Your choice
Great video to watch. I wish you would have talked and explained what the steps you where doing
Love it, gr8 machine. I cant find any specyfications. Can You tell whats the power consumption?
julnifares
Talk to Simon
tonylalondesales.ca/product-category/wax-rendering/
Is there a good bee seed to breed and collect honey? Or can't you have both at the same time? My country prefers the queen bee of Italy.
Have you ever found a use for the slum? I'm wondering what it's composition is, if there is any practical use for it in the garden.
Bom trabalho abraço de Portugal
Hi Ian, I have been wondering, how do transfer your cappings and shaved wax to the wax spinner? Is it pumped?
Jeremy Jernigan
It’s all pumped into the spinner
I would love to come and help you do all of that, melting and separating and all the small jobs that need to be done but are time consuming. I would not have to be paid, the experience is worth its weight in gold. thanks for a great video. Tim
Tim Caron :)
What a great unit! Almost finished the video and don't think I saw it but what does the Canola oil do for the process?
Its the Heat Jacket fluid. prevents water pitting and the accidental *FREEZE*
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog How hot do you cook the slum?
90-95 degrees C
Ahh thank you!
I understood you draining off the water and or oil but I did not understand how.the slum-gum was next completely dry as the drain hole seems to be a couple or more inches from the bottom. Great Video !
There are two taps. One at the bottom to fully empty the tub, one a few inches higher so you can tap a light layer floating atop a heavy layer settled at the bottom without disturbing that heavy layer, here wax floating atop water, with the slum held down under the water by the grid.
phillip hall
The oil is the heat jacket, it stays in the heat jacket permanently.
The Slum is cooked in water for 12 or 24 hrs, the wax taken ontop through the tap and cooled skim. Water drained, the Slum remains, which I scoop out
Francois Gautier
Now I understand thank you. Phillip Hall
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I like the oil heat jacket concept. This is a very nice set-up!! Phillip Hall
Not cheap but priced the best for the capacity on the market
Hey Ian do u know of anyone that runs a cook and beals melter. Or have you seen anyone use one? If so how do u think this finlay compares.
Spencer Bohon
I can’t compare, I’ve not even seen one
Is slump good fertilizer? Do you know if it’s acidic or basic?
Thanks sir,. I'm also bee keeper, your video is most ideal, sir plz tel me the size of melter Machine. And it's digene.
compost the black crud at the end?
wouldnt it better to first take out wax from upper pipe?
i saw some of your videos and dont you use that machine that squeezes honey out of capping? still so much honey left in there?
That slum... whT do beekeepers do with it? Can it be used as a natural fertilizer? Or straight garbage?
How much can you sell one pound of rendered wax for?
Edit: Wondering if there is a going rate, cause google says it's about $9 per lb
What do you do with that honet that comes out from the wax? Is it sellable for you, or do you use in elsewhere for a another product or process?! Also what do you do with the slum?
Melter honey has sale if you market it to people wanting burnt honey
so, um, what do you do with salvaged honey?
Please excuse the curiosity. What did you do withl the salvaged honey? Sell it? Bottle it for home use?
Timothy O'Donnell
Not sure, small market for melter honey
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog I've seen another video where it was sold as an ingredient in barbeque sauce
Ian, what is the purpose of the Canola oil for? to help separate the slum? Or to help lubricate the pipes so the wax will flow better? Thanks!
It's the heating medium
It is what is in the heat jacket
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog Thanks, that makes sense so it won't scorch the sides or the honey and even out the heat.
What do you do with the slum?
Can the slum be recycled/composted into anything?
I don't understand the purpose of the Canola Oil in the beginning?
Hey I've got a question. I'm also melting the bees wax but how you getting the wax from that grey box. I'm melting the wax to the plastic buckets and there is always a problem with getting the wax of the buckets. Can you give me some advice?
Jarosław Dymowski
Find a mold that is stiffer
The wax pulls away and shrinks when cooling
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog thanks for the tips
Also u could rinse your mold with water real quick before pooring your mold. That way there is residual water in your mold.
The slum would make good compost...
what i dont understend is why you addet the oil ? can you explain it please
Oil will not freeze and damage the unit
Oil will not corrode the inside of the unit either
I read a comment that your not going to save the rendered honey. Save time by melting the wax with a few inches of water. Then put that big strainer you have in there and then pour off the wax. Your slum is clean and you don’t have to waste your time. Me? I’d want that extra honey for the bakers
Bee Bob
Oh this is great quality melter honey but unfortunately nobody wants it
It’s for sale next year if you want to buy
The slum at the end looks basically like dirt, I wonder if plants would grown in that
probaly not
How much will this unit cost now
Nice video, Ian.
I've watched all of you blog, this season, and learned a lot from you, and for that, I'm grateful.
If I could get across to you, from the UK, I'd love to work a season with you and Carrie... even a month!
When will you be bringing your bees in?
Beekeeper
November, but snow is forecasted tomorrow night ... lol
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog You can keep the snow, but hopefully we'll get to see the mass return.
Super! How much does such equipment cost?
Yevgeniy Timchenko
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@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog Thank you! I really like your professional business subcode!👍
Is there any propolis extraction in the wax-rendering process ?
markspc1
No not propolis
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog Thank you Ian.
When and how do you collect propolis ?
Box scrapings
Okay, I have a dumb question.
Do bees poop? And does it get filtered out during this process?
They do. But most go outside the hive.
You know what honey is, right?
There are no bees involved with the honey extraction process
HeartPumper Yes, I know what honey is. I just wasn’t sure if they had a system to deal with the waste inside the hive
Would that scum material be good in the vegetable garden, as fertiliser?
yes
Can you use that slum or any of that gross stuff as fertilizer?
Cecilia Shubert
Yes
What do you do with the salvage honey? Thanks.
BBQ sauce, he said in another video
Thank you, I was going to ask this same question.
Fitting that it's canola oil going into that thing lol
wondered if he could use coconut oil instead
Does this do away with the slum you were giving to the neighbors to be pressed and processed.
Clay's Backyard Bees
Yes, I’ll toss this on my field,
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog that's cool. So if I seen correctly you processed 15 lbs from this one very small amount of slum. That's a lot of wax per barrel full of slum you were shipping off.
It was pretty wet Slum
What do you do with the slum? Compost it?
Kelly Disque
Out to the field
Ian was that your canola oil lol
Jason Fought
Maybe lol
Could have been better with some narration. What do you guys do with your wax? Is that all the wax from one season?
Kyle Kovacs
Hell no, I produce 2-3000 lbs of wax
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog that's incredible! Love your videos!
Do you sell this wax to the honey co op?
Yes I want to sale natural bee wax
Sir , I'm from India, I'm a beekeeper
Very Interesting.
How much capping wax would you typically produce in an average day working? Can the machine keep up with your operation?
Paul Walton
Yes, we will run this melter without salvaging honey. 1/3-1/2 barrel cappings per day. We will fill all day and tap each morning through the week work day, then press out the accumulated slum on the weekends
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog Thank you for that information.
From an efficiency standpoint, you may only need to run it alternate days although, from a process standpoint it would be nice to keep ontop of the cappings pile.
Do you generate your own power (sun/wind/geothermal/etc)? That may impact on running costs and profitability).
It will crank out wax daily, pressed on the weekend, it will for sure keep up to what I have going here with 1500 hives through a 60 frame Cowen
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog I don't doubt it. I'm sure it will be a vast improvement over your old system.
It would be nice to be able to say: "sit back and enjoy it", but, I doubt you will! :-)
Lol!
dude you need to work out some kind of roller system for your wax containers so as to roll them under the wax gate................carrying around molten wax seems dangerous
anolmec
I need to pan the wax, it takes out honey
Only if he drops it
Why did you put canola oil in it
chris18228
Heat jacket
Canola oil? What role do they play?
Heat transfer.
Heat jacket fluid , heat transfer, protects the inside of the unit from pits AND accidentally freezing
What are you doing with the salvaged honey?
JimiX
Nothing, no market here for it
I’ll probably use it in some honey bbq sauce
Why not feed it back to the bees?
When honey will overheated, fructose converts into Hydroxymethylfurfural which kills the bees. It's toxic for those. So, never feed bees with heated honey.
@@jimix323 sorta like feeding truth serum to a Democrat
What's the rest of the honey for? Is it waste?
zongshun liang
Perhaps, it’s heated so no market
I’ll use it for my coffee
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog Make mead, it'll keep you warm this winter.
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog awsome
I would have used a vacuum cleaner for the dry slum.
Do u sell your wax . I'm interested
That is a lot of manual labor, I think I should be paying more for my honey, it would be worth it!
Hlo sir wax price these days.
baljeet singh khosa
$4.5-5 for wholesale
+1 nice machine get better
Woah, your back must hurt..
MOLOKAIKOA11
Every day 😂
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog epsom salt baths might help
Старый аппарат был получше, Ваня в рекламу ушел.
In Romania the beeswax is sterilized for 3 hours at 120 ° C
Claudiu Leanca
This is for sale to cosmetics and such
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog High-grade products are harmless, lipstick has beeswax, lipstick. I never knew beeswax could make lipstick.
This sterilization is usually done against afb (american foulbrood - paenibacillus larvae). It is important if you want to create new wax foundation from the wax, otherwise not so much.
But Ian is selling that wax further. And they're doing more processing.
What is slum exactly?
The by product waste leftover from wax rendering
@@aCanadianBeekeepersBlog thank you!
حد يفهمنا يا جدعان
SEEMS A WASTE TO HEAT $$$$$ AND COOL SEVERAL TIMES JUST TO PURIFY THE SLUM. A PUMP AND FILTER SYSTEM WOULD BE BETTER