Vesper of Radius section (0:17 - 4:08) gets my seal of approval 👍 I think tuning the Vesper rift for more frequent pulses but lowering the damage would be a great change, allowing you to play more into Vesper's aggressive, proactive playstyle.
Sanguine Alchemy + Voidwalker + Child of the Old Gods is still the only build I've found that really makes ToM shine. The near infinite rifts & 2-3 kinetic surge mods makes ToM hit like a truck while letting you bypass the dangers of using ToM
@@julioforessi1336 You are right that it damages you faster than rifts can keep up, which is why I have found it really only works with Voidwalkers since Devour will fully heal you on kills.
@xDarthNoxX Yeah that actually makes sense. Rift to slow down time to death, devour for full health, rinse repeat. Still don't know if it's worth it with where ToM is at but if I was gonna that would be the strat
@@an_oracle oh for sure, this build is as niche as it gets lol. This can do some solid work, but it was primarily a way to actually make ToM fun and usable, more than to create a solid build for a GM.
Same. I also really like that, unlike a lot of other exotics that plug into keywords, it's still pretty live if you're running another element with a lot of rift uptime. Void buddy has always been fun, but I don't think the stasis fragment that freezes in rift has ever been worth using before.
I was skectical about it at first, but then I tried it in a GM and it was genuinely good. It'll be one of my go-to exotics if I'm using arc warlock for higher level stuff
I think people are really sleeping on not having to run surge mods. Keeping most of the damage and being able to run orbs generate HP or ability energy is honestly really massive for something like modern dungeons where theres a lot of adds constantly, and not a lot of time to hunker down and regen HP. Solar has healing, void has devour, but the rest need *something* to keep them going.
1 thing about vesper of radius. the explosion AND the pulse will blind when on arc, bungie only said the explosion would in the original article but i guess they changed there mind in the actual update. also with chromatic fire, the slow effect will also apply disrupted to any target which is slowed (This is due to slow being an anti overload effect which requires disrupted to work). Disrupted itself makes things deal 25% less damage so in a way Sever (which is only 33%) is kinda useless compared to Slow
I love chromatic fire with Ace of spades, 2x explosions is nice and the damage with momento mori is really nice + consistent. In pvp it works better than I thought too. It might not be the best thing in to use if you are obsessed with being as optimal as possible, but my god is it fun!!!
If you haven't tried it with Outbreak yet, you are missing out. It's so good (although I'm not running it right now in favour of Ace of Spades and Revision Zero for Unstops/Anti-Barriers. As soon as pulses get a champ mod again, I'm stapling Outbreak to my hands)
Should have tried Vesper of Radius with Frostpulse on Stasis subclass, makes it more fun to use. Pity that Reactive Pulse is gone though, used to help it a bit too.
@@Cojosho97 no, but rift spam is fenomenal with vesper and fragment that restores rift energy from defeating frosen enemies. And ager's scepter of course.
@@Sargatas oh okay. I figured there was a crazy exploit that nobody was talking about anywhere lol What I really want to try is a team of warlocks with Saguine, Lunafactions, and Boots of the Assembler. Lunas pops rift, and Saguine gets kills to extend it.
You're 100% right on Mantle/Ager's, but the second real use case is for Well of Radiance. You have to be ready with your super at the start of DPS but you're also likely to be holding it for a minute or two and able to make good use of the weapon buff.
Starfire has joined the million other exotic centered builds of add clear. It would have been nice if the nade energy gains per hit were slightly higher but whatever. Trying to get empowered weapon kills in more difficult content with primary weapons is not the easiest thing in world so you have to save your nades for either giant groups or high priority target, which other builds can do easier or certain weapons can do faster. Chromatic Fire change is neat but doesn't really make a big difference in a lot of areas. Using it with Ace is fun but the elemental explosion happens after the Firefly explosion which took some getting used to. I would kill an add then shoot the weakened one beside it but the elemental explosion would happen after both were dead. Haven't really played with the Vesper changes but Rift spam really isn't my play style so I doubt I will use it. Mantle is an exotic. Yep. I used it a bit with Arc 3.0 before I got Fallen Sunstar and didn't feel like using Crown of Tempest and it was okay but that was back in Season of Plunder. And Sanguine Alchemy continues to be an amazing looking exotic with an underwhelming effect.
I personally think they should somewhat undo a nerf the exotic got from Solar 3.0 now, being: You used to be able to run middle tree Dawnblade with it for its Empowering Melee ability. I think they should make it so the on-hit regen also procs from hits whilst you are radiant (unsure about the on-kill regen though).
Fusion grenades have a ridiculously short cooldown and things like bomber and firesprites exist. Any add kill with a grenade gives me half that nade back. Just because its not a legitimate solo dps strat, does NOT mean its bad.
@@mutantraze3681 it's not that it's bad, it's that I lost its identity as the premier dps strategy and its new identity is another add clear/burst damage option. I would have preferred it receive an identity that made it stand out more than just being a pretty good way of generating grenade energy. Void, Arc, and Strand can have constant uptime with grenades as well and the Sunbracer build let's you spam AOE damage if you get off a melee kill. Fusion grenades, especially with Touch of Flame, are really good don't get me wrong, but Starfire was a neutral game grenade spam exotic with a powerful dps use. Now it's just a build for Discipline, use Bomber and Innervation mods, stand in a rift, get kills and throw a grenade if both are charged - type exotic.
@@Locus-1 Starfire wasn't "premiere dps strategy". It was a crutch, plain and simple. It was the most brain dead dps build and trivialized the majority of the game's content.
All of these exotics had barely usable gimmicks before - and now it feels like they have slightly usable gimmicks updated to match the current sandbox. Yes, they can be fun in specific scenarios, but they largely feel forgettable and uninspired. Not everything needs to be "meta" but it would be nice for some of these exotics to offer more then a brief dusting off period because their functionality is new. We need more exotics with positive and fun gameplay loops - not something than helps us excel slightly more at clearing trash mobs at a time when we have insane weapons and abilities for clearing said mobs.
Starfire was oppressive as hell being the go-to option bar none. But I think they nerfed them a little too hard. I’m positive we’ll see them walk back the nerf from 2.5% to maybe 5% energy on damage sometime soon.
Like you mentioned Datto, Sunbracers can be BRUTAL and so punishing in endgame content if one of the engines that need it to drive suddenly runs out especially with the whole phoenix dive restoration loop, I did however make a build with Sanguine that is WAY easier to keep going and is so much easier to setup. Throw on Sanguine with a Scorching weapon (I found Skyburners works the best) and with Ember of Singeing not only will you get back rifts constantly but you'll also be dishing out more damage thanks to the inherent damage bonus. Yes it's way more passive but in GM level content you're doing that anyway and you're way safer thanks to the higher healing rift uptime
mantle of battle harmony has been insanely strong on a stasis warlock with agers. not only because you can utilise the agers mega beam more often, but you can hold onto the super and get a 4x stasis surge buff and swap to cold comfort for arguably the highest burst damage ever without using your super. Plus you can run scavenger mods to keep agers and your heavy topped up. as an added bonus, agers super beam stuns overload and unstops for free). made light work of master lost sectors and GMs (not to even mention stasis turrets lol)
No, just no, it's all incremental bs damage, also ammo economy is STI shit endgame, needing another neutral game exotic to let you keep using a primary that's overrated as a special class weapon
For MoBH you’ve also got to give it substantial credit for the super you get if you’re someone who likes to use their super. I find myself using it with a solar primary exotic often with Well for dungeons because it means you always have your super for the next damage phase, and you’ll run around with a permanent damage buff meanwhile
@@xxkrazygtaxx8412that’s exactly why they need love. There’s literally no reason to use any other subclass. Either well needs a nerf or the rest need a buff large enough to make them viable compared to well. I think both of those things should happen.
I've been wanting Chromatic to be good for as long as it's existed, and although it's definitely better... I get the feeling it'll only ever be a "fun" exotic, and never a "meta" one.
i have a vesper build with the two new mods that are available on boots and class item, making basically an infinite armor charge in higher tier content especially with coldheart. blinding arc special final blows + recuperation mods with an arc siphon is just insanely good, plus your class ability that you should be using a lot is picking up all those orbs around you. it is extremely satisfying and fun.
Chromatic Fire is really good with Mindspun Invocation Strand aspect while using Outbreak Perfected. Consuming shackle grenades can cause kills to suspend ads and with Outbreak it can kill them with SIVA nanites while they’re immobilized.
That’s just a regular Suspend eating build. CF does nothing in this build besides Sever, which is kinda useless when the enemies are suspended and can’t attack you.
I think I might run Sanguine Alchemy alongside some kinetic exotics like Witherhoard or Outbreak to try and get the best of both worlds in both boss damage and general gameplay, rather than an all-out boss damage strat like Izanagi+ALH... Alright, it's mostly because I hate using snipers. But also for getting that maximum benefit. I'm most excited to use Chromatic Fire with Wish-Ender, though. I generally go into GM carrying Well and trying to focus on weapon damage over abilities anyway, because ability chains are harder to pull off consistently there. So I can see myself putting on an exotic robe just to add a little bit of ad-clear potential to my single-target damager bow to save ammo for maximizing burst damage when needed.
Mantle of battle harmony with Collective Obligation. Makes the weapon more beasty. If you wanna use it in a boss like gms or raids then use your void weapons and before the dmg phase ends, shoot your super. Also, it makes it easier to have solar surges for my cataclysmic instead of void.
Chromatic Fire + Crimson (assuming you're using a controller on PC) can work surprisingly well since you heal and the magazine is refilled with precision shots.
I'm really glad to see this video come out because I decided that at lightfall I would begin to play warlock again ( I haven't played warlock since Y1 ) so knowing what exotics to look for this season is a great help. Thanks datto!
Warlock mains (me included) I think are doing pretty good. Starfire was so oppressively good that running anything else made people legitimately mad that you weren’t running it. Now there’s a whole bunch of stuff to pick and a handful of the chest pieces were adjusted to be somewhat viable as well.
I still feel like they nerfed it way too hard.... But I'm more angry that now it's just one of hundreds of add clear tools....I want a boss damage exotic and they just got rid of it
@@emperorlarry783 I agree. I wanted it nerfed for the reason stated above, but if they just doubled it to 5%. Or do something more unique, and remove the internal CD, and adjust the amount of energy gained based on the archetype/frame. Seems too complicated for a single exotic though, lol. I just feel like that would make it perfectly balanced.
@@emperorlarry783 It's not. Use benevolence and prep your 2 grenades before hand, and you can get 7 grenades in a single 30 second phase. That's enough to fuel basically a whole demo rocket's worth of reserves.
Sanguine Alchemy has been fun for me to use with Stasis. Coupled with frostpulse and agers scepter I run through content without worrying about dying. It's practically a Promethium Spur without the killing to proc rifts.
Running Sanguine with Whisper of The Worm for my Last Wish runs, seeing a lot of success in VoTD and RoN with Divinity as well. Makes whisper pound bosses, and it can combo with Succession for insane sustained DPS
Add heavy encounters is where vesper shines the most, regardless of how had they hit. Used it for my solo flawless Ghost of the Deep and its just perfection.
Vesper of Radius works AMAZINGLY in the Disgraced by the way. Also pro tip for Vesper users, an Energy transfer sword guard inside a rift not only gives you fantastic dmg resist and survivability but it also works to charge your next rift which is a fantastic utility. I like the old Warlock sword that was re released in splicer for this because the Vortex frame does decent damage to champions.
I used vesper in a solo dungeon run and it SWEEPs in that 1st and 2nd encounter. Used it with a Lament and Ikelos and a chill clip fusion. Fun build ya’ll lets you play so aggressive
Why Hierarchy specifically, if you don't mind me asking? Or is it more like just "I enjoy Hierarchy, and I enjoy Sanguine, therefore using both at the same time is even more fun." I just don't quite understand why it over anything else? It is a fun bow, don't take me wrong, personally love it, but, as I've said, I just don't get the point of the combo
@@tuoritto because they both require stationary play. You create that ring while in a rift and shoot through it, and you just turn into a stationary turret with practically infinite range, increased damage, and constant healing
chromatic fire with enhanced kinetic tremors (i use chattering bone) allows for pretty insane ad clear for no exotic weapon cost, either get headshot kills for arc explosion + blind on anything that live, and kinetic tremors helps clean up bigger targets + helps AoE smaller ads
I wish for starfire to count radiant as "empowered", so you could move more freely if so is needeed, and have more survivability with phoenix dive/rift (altough now you can partially do that with firesprites)
I use Mantle with Well since most of the time you’re looking to save the well for a specific moment, like a damage phase. If anything has a rally flag, you basically start off in a high damage state with a well. When you use the well, you can get it back very quickly. I pair that with a Solar trace rifle, take your pick. Run a rapid fire fusion or Arbalest in the top slot, either type of launcher in the bottom slot.
Starfire imo, is still really powerful. The change just brought it more inline with the likes of sunbracers for its activation (especially in highend). Yes its easier to get kills in high end rather than a melee kill but you trade the power of sun for the consistency of star, still going to be rocking it and have been rocking it in gms raids and other activities
I know I've been whelmed with most of the changes, they haven't really done much/made any of the exotics super usable to me. Gatting a collective 4% damage bonus on a hot swap combo specifically just seems like way to much effort to me verses just using a neutral game exotic and doing infinitely better (in reference to Sanguine), and the rest either got just worse (i.e mantle) or didn't change enough to feel effective in anything outside of the content they already exist in. Though the comments about Vesper do have me thinking of what might be fun to do with them, might be entertaining to use the uppercut melee with them. But yeah, as for starfire, only main thing I've learned with them is to utilize the rift refund effect religiously. With warlocks, bomber/outreach gives 20% instead of 10% to their respective abilities, so if you couple that with 2 grenade kick starts and searing for the ability to go grab a firesprite, you get around 50-60% of your grenade every grenade kill, allowing you to cycle the grenades pretty handley due to their low cooldown in general as well. It feels pretty good, not as safe as sunbracers, but in GM content it will do you better/actually kill stuff a lot more, so I feel it's still worth holding onto. You can just flat out ignore empowerment rift if you want to as well and just run off of constantly regeneratable healing rifts, but you lose the affordance of being able to get a few kills to get your grenade back. You still always have the well though, so it's up to preference.
The problem with the robe buffs is that they're just not worth running over what's already good for Warlocks. Why would I run any of them when sunbracers are a thing? Fallen Sunstar? Osmios? Necro strand? Contraverse Holds? Verity's? The list goes on. As for Starfire, I get why it was nerfed, but I do wish there was an exotic out there that changed the way Warlocks interact with Well. At least with Starfire we had to swap guns and alternate between a grenade toss and a demo rocket. Now we're back to "plop down well, mindlessly hold down trigger." I don't even care if it's less damage, I just want something that requires even a tiny bit of thought.
I don't know if its a bug or otherwise, but with Aztecross doing some testing, Sanguine was stacking with Radiant and Well with some of his damage. Whether its a glitch or not, it seems to work very well for doing a good portion of bonus damage more so than anything else if I'm not misremembering. That makes it much better than just a bonus for double stacking in elemental bonuses. Now whether that's a bug, or an intended feature, only time will tell. Because that means the difference between it being a good mainstay to boost damage or a temporary thing about to get nuked to the ground as always.
@@charleywilson2146 Yeah that's what I imagined. It honestly increases versatility in some senses cause it does remove the need to stack those buffs in something like a solo flawless run or if you're the only well warlock since getting orbs in those moments could be a tad annoying mid dps phase then. It is unfortunate it isn't a tad more damage though.
Starfire now is very counterproductive To get the effect you gotta be stuck in place, but now instead of single target, you gotta kill enemies. What happens if you run out of enemies? You just stand there awkwardly, with no rift nor grenade.
Sanguine stacks with empowering rift's damage - having fun running on void with the child for a near 50% damage bonus (17% from sanguine, 20% from emp rift & 15% weaken). Great on arc as well with infinite arc soul but makes it a little more difficult to chain weapon kills
For Chromatic Fire, you can use weapons with kinetic tremors or firefly for even more explosions and crowd control. When on Arc, the Arc kills can trigger the lightning artifact mod also
I use it with my god roll Fatebringer (Not Timelost sadly). Explosive/Firefly is so so good with it The passive damage buff of explosive, combined with firefly, and the HC PVE buff coming. It's gonna be doubly nasty.
The thing with Mantle is even though the idea was to get users off of surge legs mods, I still find myself using them for when I don’t have my super charged. Especially for Ager’s where you’re consuming your super energy, it’s just a good way to keep damage high.
PLEASE for the love of god try Mantle of Battle Harmony. I solo’d Spire and Duality this week using it on void. Pretty much a permanent 4 surge mod damage + devour. You delete everything , heal constantly, have over-shield, and get extra bonus damage for DPS. Bonus points for LeMonarch. It’s a menace.
I’ve been one to enjoy battle harmony for quite some time as it makes for a great support exotic. It lets me focus on tuning and getting my well back as fast as possible while letting me focus not dying (god in hell, recuperation + better already grants such a ridiculous amount of health back in a short amount of time) and then i can just solid scavenger and I’m never without my glaive or trace rifle or my orbital laser cannon. And when I need damage or my team mate needs a save, boop, supers out! And if I played my cards right by the time it expires I have 75% of it back when it ends. Only way it could get any better is if we got a support aspect.
I'm so happy with Sanguine because it lets you have essentially pre-nerf Empowering rifts in pvp, which is what I used to main until it got nerfed to the point that they did virtually nothing. Now you can once again get an instakill with an aggressive frame sniper bodyshot, a oneshot with a Monarque headshot (please don't, guys lol) or two tap with a 120 Hand Cannon. Absolutely loving the playstyle of getting the first two-tap with my round robin for "free" and then running around with kill clip for the following ones, that's why I used to enjoy pre-nerf empowering rifts, there's so much snowballing potential with a lot of weapons which allows a really aggressive playstyle without much downtime on the setup.
Only ever used vesper on stasis, to instantly shatter frozen targets via rifts. Never liked or used the other exotics much, so many other exotics I would rather use
I've been running Vesper of Radius a lot this season and I gotta say, once you have a good feel of how big the blind/damage pulse is (it's actually notably larger than the rift) you can use it sort of like a second grenade ability, especially if you lean hard into rift energy recovery via insulation / orbs of restoration and powerful attraction. The blinding explosion nonsense gets even more out of hand if you pair Vesper with Centrifuse.
Think folks are sleeping on using Chromatic for taking advantage of verbs. For void for instance, you can use the artifact and fragments to create orbs and void tears from enemies effected be void debuffs. And those orbs and tears can be used to trigger devour and void over shield.
If you decide to do chromatic at any point. Outbreak on voidwalker actually does feel pretty sick. The double stacking on making your pulse kill feels really dope
Font of Might but elemental wells are gone so they key off orbs of power instead. slap 1/2/3 on your legs, get 10/17/22% weapon damage for the matching element for a while
You missed vesper of radius with the freeze on rift cast aspect. Low to mid tier content really helps stasis peak with that combo. Even in certain GMs i’ll use it
I think an interesting buff to mantle would be taking inspo from Hallowfire heart and making it so when the damage buff is active, ability recharge rate is also increased.
I think these exotic updates were all well-intended, but also a little bit tone-deaf. It is *really* difficult to justify using a chest/body Exotic on Warlock, in PvE or PvP. So many of the helmets and gloves are just empirically better. The only chest Exotic that really clicks for me, this season, is Phoenix Protocol. With the Starfire nerf, I personally feel like Phoenix is absolutely back on the menu (in PvE). Even in a short-duration GMNF, like SABER, I can drop Well of Radiance 5 or 6 times when running Phoenix, even when teamed up with LFG blueberries.
if it’s difficult to justify using exotic robes because the other exotic armor slots are generally more powerful, how is it “tone-deaf” to buff a bunch of exotic robes so they maybe compete…? i’m surprised they didn’t buff Stormdancer’s Brace though, seems like it’d be easy to add an arc keyword to it and separate from crown of tempests
Tbf, sanguine alxhemy is uniquely good with voidwalker, child of the old gods and empowering rift. All 3 stack giving you easy access to what was previously a difficult build to run. Near infinite rifts + void souls makes it very potent both for ad control and burning down majors
I personally love Mantle for wellock in things like GMs but especially playing safe in a solo or flawless run of endgame. In those activities i already save my well in order to cheat death, and Mantle gives me a reward for that cowardly play style lol. Not to mention it stacks with radiant so combine it with torches and empyrean and it's a sizable buff. Add in a way to grant healing for empyrean to extend and its pretty unstoppable.
What would be sick is for vortex and/or duskfield nades to have omega suck and much higher uptime/charges but for less damage. Like a point of focus that allows these exotics to shine more.
I’m personally using Verity’s Brow over Sunbracers. Melee ability kills are not consistent, especially in harder content. As for the robes I’ve tried them all and they’ve all been decidedly ‘cool but I’d rather use an exotic that boosts my abilities.’
That's the biggest problem with Sunbracers. If you don't get that melee kill, your entire playstyle falls apart. It's great fun in lower end content, but its consistency dramatically falls off in harder content. Maybe I'm just bad, but I really don't understand why everyone has flocked to Sunbracers.
@@samvimes9510 heat rises is a big puzzle piece there; its melee regen makes the whole ability loop way more resilient, to the point where you can jump and fire Forbearance once (or whatever) and you have your melee back to try it again. You do have to be cognizant of how tanky the enemies are, so that you don't accidentally just power melee a thing that won't die to it (bring an SMG or trace or similar to soften them up if needed), and you definitely want to have a handle on where things spawn, AND there's a tight window to gain Restoration if you're going for extending that off Phoenix Dive. But when you do get a handle on managing the many moving parts, you are rewarded with overwhelming add clear (and I get that every build says it has incredible add clear, but this is above and beyond, throwing grenades at different parts of the map as fast as the animation allows you to), permanent restoration, and a ton of super regen (via Ashes to Assets and Firepower mods) into the best PVE super in the game. You can also reasonably make a choice between Touch of Flame ("kill everything and win") versus Icarus Dash ("move fast, don't die") depending on what kind of content you're doing or just plain playstyle preference. But yeah, "missing the melee kill ruins the playstyle" would be very true if not for Heat Rises.
@@samvimes9510 the ignition tech is why it's useful in high end content, basically an ignition will consider its source as anything that inflicted the first scorch stacks, so if you for example use incinerators snap then throw your grenade, this will cause an ignition whose source is a melee therefore proccing sunbracers even if you dont kill the beefy target but rather ads near it another person said there's a tight window to get x2 resto, no its not tight, you eat your heat rises grenade, use your melee, then dive. the kill will extend it to 6+ seconds and even more if the ignition also killed a couple enemies. but i do agree you have to be aware of how tough the enemies are, however thats usually not an issue, not even in contest mode activities btw do you know you can become a short-range healing turret for your teammates? proc sunbracers, then start eating your heat rises grenade
i think battle harmony is overlooked greatly because it no longer stacks with surges but id does stack with well. previously it stack with font of might but didnt stack with well. Font stacking with battle harmony was a prominent dps strat for a while. same effect now but slightly better. stacking 2 25% buffs instead of a 25 and a 20. plus just like sanguine you can slap kinetic surge for izi or witherhoard in there as well
I personally really like mantle of battle harmony as like a phoenix protocol alternative, yes phoenix can pretty much instantly refund half a well of radiance but mantle can give it to me sooner and help me maintain a damage buff until I want or need the well.
The best use of Vesper of Radius these days is with Strand and Weaver's. It becomes an AOE zone-control tool, which is actually better than its Arc use-case.
Don't really need Vesper when you have Arc Souls. Battle Harmony and Sanguine Alchemy can be easily replaced by 2 or 3 legs mods (no exotic slot required). RIP Starfire Protocol.
I've been using a mantle of battle harmony/agers scepter build ever since they both came out. Just put a bunch of energy/super recharge effects when you shatter a frozen target on your subclass and armor, elemental shards, and you'll never run out of super. Someone probably has an in depth video about it cause it's where I got my build but I forgor who. It's to a point if I'm using agers scepter I'm putting on mantle of battle harmony.
My take is Vesper is super dope for solo dungeon content. Im a novice to running stuff solo but i was able to get to the end of Prophecy with using that as my main exotic armor piece. I think i swapped to starfire just for double nades to do the first part skip but after that Vesper all the way through. Almost did it flawless but died at the last boss due to entropy so idk if that means anything to anyone else but its got my vote.
I've been using Mantle of Battle Harmony with strand, feels good. It's nice to have something that's _not_ a poison build, that playstyle gets so boring. I'm not sure how well it would hold up in harder content though.
Chromatic Fire with Osteo Striga is amazing fun with controller. Much easier to get headshots. I'm pretty bad at the game but I still got to Tier 4 on Sorrows Harbor SOLO using this combo. I normally die wave 1!
vesper of radius slaps in this weeks gm. i been having so much fun blinding the fck out of everything. i dont even have to use my guns. just walk in and rift and watch my turret and rift clear everything around me while i emote and have next rift ready :D
off topic but I think that with the addition of the mod that collects nearby orbs on class ability, each class should get access to a quicker class ability of some sort. Titans get thruster, hunters just have dodge, and warlocks really don't get a super fast one other than phoenix dive I guess.
For chromatic fire why not use wish ender, wish ender single target damage is high but it lack in killing multiple ads using chromatic fire will negate the single target nature of wish ender when using void or solar
Except when you just don't get a precision kill because even though you shot an arrow through the enemies head the damage that kills the enemy isn't the headshot but the entry and exit damage wish ender does. The inconsistency is VERY frustrating imo
@@jacob-2271 that Also a fair point it depends really on if ur power level is the max and also ur weapon so that wish ender power doesn’t fall off. Do get what I mean personally that my on experience not in general
Vesper of Radius section (0:17 - 4:08) gets my seal of approval 👍
I think tuning the Vesper rift for more frequent pulses but lowering the damage would be a great change, allowing you to play more into Vesper's aggressive, proactive playstyle.
Knew you were gonna be in the comments for Vesper😂🔥
ah, it's THE Vesper main lmao
Ayee i follow you, you cracked asf
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If you want to turn Vesper up a notch use Frostpulse. Super fun and surprisingly effective.
Sanguine Alchemy + Voidwalker + Child of the Old Gods is still the only build I've found that really makes ToM shine. The near infinite rifts & 2-3 kinetic surge mods makes ToM hit like a truck while letting you bypass the dangers of using ToM
Who is ToM? Tommy?
Plus Touch of Malice is being buffed next season so that build could be even better
@@julioforessi1336 You are right that it damages you faster than rifts can keep up, which is why I have found it really only works with Voidwalkers since Devour will fully heal you on kills.
@xDarthNoxX Yeah that actually makes sense. Rift to slow down time to death, devour for full health, rinse repeat.
Still don't know if it's worth it with where ToM is at but if I was gonna that would be the strat
@@an_oracle oh for sure, this build is as niche as it gets lol. This can do some solid work, but it was primarily a way to actually make ToM fun and usable, more than to create a solid build for a GM.
Vesper of radius is probably my favorite exotic this season it can stun unstop champs and can render any minor or major an easy kill
Same. I also really like that, unlike a lot of other exotics that plug into keywords, it's still pretty live if you're running another element with a lot of rift uptime. Void buddy has always been fun, but I don't think the stasis fragment that freezes in rift has ever been worth using before.
I was skectical about it at first, but then I tried it in a GM and it was genuinely good. It'll be one of my go-to exotics if I'm using arc warlock for higher level stuff
Well that's a sentence I never expected would come out of anyone's mouth.
@@SympatheticArsenal same lmao 😂
Maybe some gm’s it’s not suitable for but for most other content it’s very viable imo
I think people are really sleeping on not having to run surge mods. Keeping most of the damage and being able to run orbs generate HP or ability energy is honestly really massive for something like modern dungeons where theres a lot of adds constantly, and not a lot of time to hunker down and regen HP. Solar has healing, void has devour, but the rest need *something* to keep them going.
lol arc they gave us amplified so we can run away faster lol
1 thing about vesper of radius. the explosion AND the pulse will blind when on arc, bungie only said the explosion would in the original article but i guess they changed there mind in the actual update.
also with chromatic fire, the slow effect will also apply disrupted to any target which is slowed (This is due to slow being an anti overload effect which requires disrupted to work). Disrupted itself makes things deal 25% less damage so in a way Sever (which is only 33%) is kinda useless compared to Slow
I love chromatic fire with Ace of spades, 2x explosions is nice and the damage with momento mori is really nice + consistent. In pvp it works better than I thought too. It might not be the best thing in to use if you are obsessed with being as optimal as possible, but my god is it fun!!!
@maxluvsboyslol yeah
I am going to try it. Thanks
Goes hard on void with outbreak, you can send the child of the old gods along with the nanites PLUS the void explosion 🤓
You should try chromatic with osteo striga 😘
If you haven't tried it with Outbreak yet, you are missing out. It's so good (although I'm not running it right now in favour of Ace of Spades and Revision Zero for Unstops/Anti-Barriers. As soon as pulses get a champ mod again, I'm stapling Outbreak to my hands)
Should have tried Vesper of Radius with Frostpulse on Stasis subclass, makes it more fun to use. Pity that Reactive Pulse is gone though, used to help it a bit too.
Do this all day long. Infinite freeze all around.
@@Sargatasdoes Vesper cause the Stasis Fragment to also constantly freeze every pulse too?
@@Cojosho97 no, but rift spam is fenomenal with vesper and fragment that restores rift energy from defeating frosen enemies. And ager's scepter of course.
@@Sargatas oh okay. I figured there was a crazy exploit that nobody was talking about anywhere lol
What I really want to try is a team of warlocks with Saguine, Lunafactions, and Boots of the Assembler.
Lunas pops rift, and Saguine gets kills to extend it.
@@Cojosho97 I'm not sure it's actually worth it)
You're 100% right on Mantle/Ager's, but the second real use case is for Well of Radiance. You have to be ready with your super at the start of DPS but you're also likely to be holding it for a minute or two and able to make good use of the weapon buff.
yea and if youre moving around a bunch, itll refund more super than phoenix, because that requires you to sit in the will and kill stuff
Starfire has joined the million other exotic centered builds of add clear. It would have been nice if the nade energy gains per hit were slightly higher but whatever. Trying to get empowered weapon kills in more difficult content with primary weapons is not the easiest thing in world so you have to save your nades for either giant groups or high priority target, which other builds can do easier or certain weapons can do faster.
Chromatic Fire change is neat but doesn't really make a big difference in a lot of areas. Using it with Ace is fun but the elemental explosion happens after the Firefly explosion which took some getting used to. I would kill an add then shoot the weakened one beside it but the elemental explosion would happen after both were dead.
Haven't really played with the Vesper changes but Rift spam really isn't my play style so I doubt I will use it.
Mantle is an exotic. Yep. I used it a bit with Arc 3.0 before I got Fallen Sunstar and didn't feel like using Crown of Tempest and it was okay but that was back in Season of Plunder.
And Sanguine Alchemy continues to be an amazing looking exotic with an underwhelming effect.
I personally think they should somewhat undo a nerf the exotic got from Solar 3.0 now, being:
You used to be able to run middle tree Dawnblade with it for its Empowering Melee ability. I think they should make it so the on-hit regen also procs from hits whilst you are radiant (unsure about the on-kill regen though).
Fusion grenades have a ridiculously short cooldown and things like bomber and firesprites exist. Any add kill with a grenade gives me half that nade back. Just because its not a legitimate solo dps strat, does NOT mean its bad.
@@mutantraze3681 it's not that it's bad, it's that I lost its identity as the premier dps strategy and its new identity is another add clear/burst damage option. I would have preferred it receive an identity that made it stand out more than just being a pretty good way of generating grenade energy. Void, Arc, and Strand can have constant uptime with grenades as well and the Sunbracer build let's you spam AOE damage if you get off a melee kill.
Fusion grenades, especially with Touch of Flame, are really good don't get me wrong, but Starfire was a neutral game grenade spam exotic with a powerful dps use. Now it's just a build for Discipline, use Bomber and Innervation mods, stand in a rift, get kills and throw a grenade if both are charged - type exotic.
@@Locus-1 Starfire wasn't "premiere dps strategy". It was a crutch, plain and simple. It was the most brain dead dps build and trivialized the majority of the game's content.
@@mutantraze3681 cope
All of these exotics had barely usable gimmicks before - and now it feels like they have slightly usable gimmicks updated to match the current sandbox. Yes, they can be fun in specific scenarios, but they largely feel forgettable and uninspired. Not everything needs to be "meta" but it would be nice for some of these exotics to offer more then a brief dusting off period because their functionality is new. We need more exotics with positive and fun gameplay loops - not something than helps us excel slightly more at clearing trash mobs at a time when we have insane weapons and abilities for clearing said mobs.
I have hard time understanding the point of this video.
pov nearly every hunter exotic
Vesper also has a hidden perk where it makes your rift bigger if you didn’t know
Starfire was oppressive as hell being the go-to option bar none. But I think they nerfed them a little too hard. I’m positive we’ll see them walk back the nerf from 2.5% to maybe 5% energy on damage sometime soon.
Or 10%
I’m kinda hoping so. That was like WAY too much. IMO, the game should be viable for all builds so that one isn’t the best one but it can still hang
Should be 10%. Mostly nobody was using it before touch of flame, and that pretty much just gives it an extra explosion, so double the damage=50% nerf.
10% would be better
Like you mentioned Datto, Sunbracers can be BRUTAL and so punishing in endgame content if one of the engines that need it to drive suddenly runs out especially with the whole phoenix dive restoration loop, I did however make a build with Sanguine that is WAY easier to keep going and is so much easier to setup. Throw on Sanguine with a Scorching weapon (I found Skyburners works the best) and with Ember of Singeing not only will you get back rifts constantly but you'll also be dishing out more damage thanks to the inherent damage bonus. Yes it's way more passive but in GM level content you're doing that anyway and you're way safer thanks to the higher healing rift uptime
mantle of battle harmony has been insanely strong on a stasis warlock with agers. not only because you can utilise the agers mega beam more often, but you can hold onto the super and get a 4x stasis surge buff and swap to cold comfort for arguably the highest burst damage ever without using your super. Plus you can run scavenger mods to keep agers and your heavy topped up. as an added bonus, agers super beam stuns overload and unstops for free). made light work of master lost sectors and GMs (not to even mention stasis turrets lol)
Buff stacks with emp rift/well too btw
Mantle is busted rn, never taking it off on void for real
No, just no, it's all incremental bs damage, also ammo economy is STI shit endgame, needing another neutral game exotic to let you keep using a primary that's overrated as a special class weapon
For MoBH you’ve also got to give it substantial credit for the super you get if you’re someone who likes to use their super. I find myself using it with a solar primary exotic often with Well for dungeons because it means you always have your super for the next damage phase, and you’ll run around with a permanent damage buff meanwhile
See but then I can just use Sunbracers with ashes to assets and get my well back even faster…
Nice to see the warlocks get some love, they definitely need it the most out of the 3 classes
Warlocks have well they don’t need love
@@xxkrazygtaxx8412born to nova forced to well
@@xxkrazygtaxx8412that’s exactly why they need love. There’s literally no reason to use any other subclass. Either well needs a nerf or the rest need a buff large enough to make them viable compared to well. I think both of those things should happen.
@@xxkrazygtaxx8412imagine being forced to use one super is considered "being loved"
@@whisperofthebookworm5341if well gets nerfed without buffing the other supers warlock use rates will plummet. I hope bungie realizes this
I’ve been praying for Sanguine Alchemy to someday be good. This aint quite it for me, but it’s getting there. It’s too beautiful to be bad
I've been wanting Chromatic to be good for as long as it's existed, and although it's definitely better... I get the feeling it'll only ever be a "fun" exotic, and never a "meta" one.
My favorite build with Mantle of Battle Harmony is: MoBH + Hierarchy of Needs + Ember of Combustion. Everything just goes boom
How exactly does that work....HoN doesn't make people explode?
@@emperorlarry783 ember of Combustion causes enemies to explode while in a well with solar weapons kills
Chromatic fire with outbreak perfected in crucible + running stasis is absolutely beautiful if the enemies bunch up
i have a vesper build with the two new mods that are available on boots and class item, making basically an infinite armor charge in higher tier content especially with coldheart. blinding arc special final blows + recuperation mods with an arc siphon is just insanely good, plus your class ability that you should be using a lot is picking up all those orbs around you. it is extremely satisfying and fun.
Chromatic Fire is really good with Mindspun Invocation Strand aspect while using Outbreak Perfected. Consuming shackle grenades can cause kills to suspend ads and with Outbreak it can kill them with SIVA nanites while they’re immobilized.
Definitely gonna try this out. Kinds tired of hearing striga rn 😭
I like the concept but what's the point of severing suspended enemies
That’s just a regular Suspend eating build. CF does nothing in this build besides Sever, which is kinda useless when the enemies are suspended and can’t attack you.
I think I might run Sanguine Alchemy alongside some kinetic exotics like Witherhoard or Outbreak to try and get the best of both worlds in both boss damage and general gameplay, rather than an all-out boss damage strat like Izanagi+ALH... Alright, it's mostly because I hate using snipers. But also for getting that maximum benefit.
I'm most excited to use Chromatic Fire with Wish-Ender, though. I generally go into GM carrying Well and trying to focus on weapon damage over abilities anyway, because ability chains are harder to pull off consistently there. So I can see myself putting on an exotic robe just to add a little bit of ad-clear potential to my single-target damager bow to save ammo for maximizing burst damage when needed.
Would be cool if the chromatic fire explosion dealt more dmg based on the dmg you dealt to kill, think it would make slower rpm weapons more viable
Mantle of battle harmony with Collective Obligation. Makes the weapon more beasty. If you wanna use it in a boss like gms or raids then use your void weapons and before the dmg phase ends, shoot your super.
Also, it makes it easier to have solar surges for my cataclysmic instead of void.
Chromatic Fire + Crimson (assuming you're using a controller on PC) can work surprisingly well since you heal and the magazine is refilled with precision shots.
I'm really glad to see this video come out because I decided that at lightfall I would begin to play warlock again ( I haven't played warlock since Y1 ) so knowing what exotics to look for this season is a great help. Thanks datto!
Warlock mains (me included) I think are doing pretty good. Starfire was so oppressively good that running anything else made people legitimately mad that you weren’t running it. Now there’s a whole bunch of stuff to pick and a handful of the chest pieces were adjusted to be somewhat viable as well.
I still feel like they nerfed it way too hard.... But I'm more angry that now it's just one of hundreds of add clear tools....I want a boss damage exotic and they just got rid of it
@@emperorlarry783 I agree. I wanted it nerfed for the reason stated above, but if they just doubled it to 5%. Or do something more unique, and remove the internal CD, and adjust the amount of energy gained based on the archetype/frame. Seems too complicated for a single exotic though, lol. I just feel like that would make it perfectly balanced.
@@emperorlarry783 It's not. Use benevolence and prep your 2 grenades before hand, and you can get 7 grenades in a single 30 second phase. That's enough to fuel basically a whole demo rocket's worth of reserves.
Sanguine Alchemy has been fun for me to use with Stasis. Coupled with frostpulse and agers scepter I run through content without worrying about dying. It's practically a Promethium Spur without the killing to proc rifts.
I love seeing a thumbnail with that yellow background, always a good time
Running Sanguine with Whisper of The Worm for my Last Wish runs, seeing a lot of success in VoTD and RoN with Divinity as well. Makes whisper pound bosses, and it can combo with Succession for insane sustained DPS
Add heavy encounters is where vesper shines the most, regardless of how had they hit. Used it for my solo flawless Ghost of the Deep and its just perfection.
Double rift at 1:55 blew my mind and sold me on the Vesper of Radius build. Wow
Vesper of Radius works AMAZINGLY in the Disgraced by the way.
Also pro tip for Vesper users, an Energy transfer sword guard inside a rift not only gives you fantastic dmg resist and survivability but it also works to charge your next rift which is a fantastic utility. I like the old Warlock sword that was re released in splicer for this because the Vortex frame does decent damage to champions.
I used vesper in a solo dungeon run and it SWEEPs in that 1st and 2nd encounter. Used it with a Lament and Ikelos and a chill clip fusion. Fun build ya’ll lets you play so aggressive
I'm really enjoying sanguine with hierarchy of needs. Feels like they were made for each other
Why Hierarchy specifically, if you don't mind me asking? Or is it more like just "I enjoy Hierarchy, and I enjoy Sanguine, therefore using both at the same time is even more fun." I just don't quite understand why it over anything else? It is a fun bow, don't take me wrong, personally love it, but, as I've said, I just don't get the point of the combo
@@tuoritto because they both require stationary play. You create that ring while in a rift and shoot through it, and you just turn into a stationary turret with practically infinite range, increased damage, and constant healing
@@attackmanatee02
Ah, that makes sense! Fair enough
I'm really enjoying Sang with Tommys.....they Balance each other out plus the ignites you can cause with the gun adds to its damage
@@emperorlarry783 yeah, you could also use ember of empyrean with restoration x2 tho and something like dawn chorus
chromatic fire with enhanced kinetic tremors (i use chattering bone) allows for pretty insane ad clear for no exotic weapon cost, either get headshot kills for arc explosion + blind on anything that live, and kinetic tremors helps clean up bigger targets + helps AoE smaller ads
I wish for starfire to count radiant as "empowered", so you could move more freely if so is needeed, and have more survivability with phoenix dive/rift (altough now you can partially do that with firesprites)
Vesper is my all time fave exo and i love the changes they made.
I use Mantle with Well since most of the time you’re looking to save the well for a specific moment, like a damage phase. If anything has a rally flag, you basically start off in a high damage state with a well. When you use the well, you can get it back very quickly.
I pair that with a Solar trace rifle, take your pick. Run a rapid fire fusion or Arbalest in the top slot, either type of launcher in the bottom slot.
Starfire imo, is still really powerful. The change just brought it more inline with the likes of sunbracers for its activation (especially in highend). Yes its easier to get kills in high end rather than a melee kill but you trade the power of sun for the consistency of star, still going to be rocking it and have been rocking it in gms raids and other activities
I know I've been whelmed with most of the changes, they haven't really done much/made any of the exotics super usable to me. Gatting a collective 4% damage bonus on a hot swap combo specifically just seems like way to much effort to me verses just using a neutral game exotic and doing infinitely better (in reference to Sanguine), and the rest either got just worse (i.e mantle) or didn't change enough to feel effective in anything outside of the content they already exist in. Though the comments about Vesper do have me thinking of what might be fun to do with them, might be entertaining to use the uppercut melee with them.
But yeah, as for starfire, only main thing I've learned with them is to utilize the rift refund effect religiously. With warlocks, bomber/outreach gives 20% instead of 10% to their respective abilities, so if you couple that with 2 grenade kick starts and searing for the ability to go grab a firesprite, you get around 50-60% of your grenade every grenade kill, allowing you to cycle the grenades pretty handley due to their low cooldown in general as well. It feels pretty good, not as safe as sunbracers, but in GM content it will do you better/actually kill stuff a lot more, so I feel it's still worth holding onto. You can just flat out ignore empowerment rift if you want to as well and just run off of constantly regeneratable healing rifts, but you lose the affordance of being able to get a few kills to get your grenade back. You still always have the well though, so it's up to preference.
datto's comments about mantle of battle harmony contradicting itself reminded me of tlaloc in D1. get a cool bonus, but at the cost of your super
The problem with the robe buffs is that they're just not worth running over what's already good for Warlocks.
Why would I run any of them when sunbracers are a thing? Fallen Sunstar? Osmios? Necro strand? Contraverse Holds? Verity's? The list goes on.
As for Starfire, I get why it was nerfed, but I do wish there was an exotic out there that changed the way Warlocks interact with Well. At least with Starfire we had to swap guns and alternate between a grenade toss and a demo rocket. Now we're back to "plop down well, mindlessly hold down trigger."
I don't even care if it's less damage, I just want something that requires even a tiny bit of thought.
given ALL of the changes to subclass and exotics, I’d really love a 2023 exotic tier list :)
I don't know if its a bug or otherwise, but with Aztecross doing some testing, Sanguine was stacking with Radiant and Well with some of his damage. Whether its a glitch or not, it seems to work very well for doing a good portion of bonus damage more so than anything else if I'm not misremembering. That makes it much better than just a bonus for double stacking in elemental bonuses.
Now whether that's a bug, or an intended feature, only time will tell. Because that means the difference between it being a good mainstay to boost damage or a temporary thing about to get nuked to the ground as always.
That’s intended, I believe Sanguines buff works as an armor mod buff, and does not stack with other surge mods, but it will stack with radiant buffs.
@@charleywilson2146 Yeah that's what I imagined. It honestly increases versatility in some senses cause it does remove the need to stack those buffs in something like a solo flawless run or if you're the only well warlock since getting orbs in those moments could be a tad annoying mid dps phase then. It is unfortunate it isn't a tad more damage though.
I wonder if stasis with vesper would be neat. It trades the built-in blind for freeze and the associated rift regen interactions that comes with it.
Starfire now is very counterproductive
To get the effect you gotta be stuck in place, but now instead of single target, you gotta kill enemies. What happens if you run out of enemies? You just stand there awkwardly, with no rift nor grenade.
Point on starfire using commemoration's origin trait gives it that little boost and it makes it feel really good for add clear
rip Starfire. That exotic helped me solo Duality last year
Sanguine stacks with empowering rift's damage - having fun running on void with the child for a near 50% damage bonus (17% from sanguine, 20% from emp rift & 15% weaken). Great on arc as well with infinite arc soul but makes it a little more difficult to chain weapon kills
Also stacks with Well. It's awesome and slept on
Sanguine goes crazy in late game being able to just be in a mini well
Weaken plus kinetic tremors is kinda nice in alot of the hive based legend lost sectors
For Chromatic Fire, you can use weapons with kinetic tremors or firefly for even more explosions and crowd control. When on Arc, the Arc kills can trigger the lightning artifact mod also
I use it with my god roll Fatebringer (Not Timelost sadly). Explosive/Firefly is so so good with it The passive damage buff of explosive, combined with firefly, and the HC PVE buff coming. It's gonna be doubly nasty.
The thing with Mantle is even though the idea was to get users off of surge legs mods, I still find myself using them for when I don’t have my super charged. Especially for Ager’s where you’re consuming your super energy, it’s just a good way to keep damage high.
PLEASE for the love of god try Mantle of Battle Harmony. I solo’d Spire and Duality this week using it on void.
Pretty much a permanent 4 surge mod damage + devour. You delete everything , heal constantly, have over-shield, and get extra bonus damage for DPS. Bonus points for LeMonarch. It’s a menace.
Do you have a build you could share?
I’ve been one to enjoy battle harmony for quite some time as it makes for a great support exotic. It lets me focus on tuning and getting my well back as fast as possible while letting me focus not dying (god in hell, recuperation + better already grants such a ridiculous amount of health back in a short amount of time) and then i can just solid scavenger and I’m never without my glaive or trace rifle or my orbital laser cannon. And when I need damage or my team mate needs a save, boop, supers out! And if I played my cards right by the time it expires I have 75% of it back when it ends. Only way it could get any better is if we got a support aspect.
I seen people used vesper on this weeks gm and it saved my ass multiple times but I’d probably recommend it on small areas
I'm so happy with Sanguine because it lets you have essentially pre-nerf Empowering rifts in pvp, which is what I used to main until it got nerfed to the point that they did virtually nothing. Now you can once again get an instakill with an aggressive frame sniper bodyshot, a oneshot with a Monarque headshot (please don't, guys lol) or two tap with a 120 Hand Cannon. Absolutely loving the playstyle of getting the first two-tap with my round robin for "free" and then running around with kill clip for the following ones, that's why I used to enjoy pre-nerf empowering rifts, there's so much snowballing potential with a lot of weapons which allows a really aggressive playstyle without much downtime on the setup.
Demo Incandescent Judgement of Kelgorath is my favorite weapon to pair with the changes to Starfire Protocol.
I like the IDEA of your class ability also being an attack
My favorite build for regular play is a Stasis/Vesper combo. I rock Rat King to close the gap and to clean up. So much fun.
Chromatic fire with Weaver’s Trance and Crimson is one of the strongest things I’ve used on my warlock in recent memory..
Only ever used vesper on stasis, to instantly shatter frozen targets via rifts.
Never liked or used the other exotics much, so many other exotics I would rather use
I've been running Vesper of Radius a lot this season and I gotta say, once you have a good feel of how big the blind/damage pulse is (it's actually notably larger than the rift) you can use it sort of like a second grenade ability, especially if you lean hard into rift energy recovery via insulation / orbs of restoration and powerful attraction. The blinding explosion nonsense gets even more out of hand if you pair Vesper with Centrifuse.
Think folks are sleeping on using Chromatic for taking advantage of verbs. For void for instance, you can use the artifact and fragments to create orbs and void tears from enemies effected be void debuffs. And those orbs and tears can be used to trigger devour and void over shield.
The thing about Ager’s scepter is that if you use overload grace rifle from the seasonal artifact, the damage boost doesn’t proc.
If you decide to do chromatic at any point. Outbreak on voidwalker actually does feel pretty sick. The double stacking on making your pulse kill feels really dope
I haven’t played in over a year, but still love watching videos. What the heck is a surge mod?
Font of Might but elemental wells are gone so they key off orbs of power instead. slap 1/2/3 on your legs, get 10/17/22% weapon damage for the matching element for a while
You missed vesper of radius with the freeze on rift cast aspect. Low to mid tier content really helps stasis peak with that combo. Even in certain GMs i’ll use it
Thinking about using Whisper + a kinetic sniper (Probably Supremacy when I get one of the new god rolls) with Sanguine
If I wasn't glued to transversive steps I'd probably look at mantle as it would be a fine option for well in pvp
I think an interesting buff to mantle would be taking inspo from Hallowfire heart and making it so when the damage buff is active, ability recharge rate is also increased.
Starfire with 3 bomber mods plus gurnade kickstart and still works well in gms .
I think these exotic updates were all well-intended, but also a little bit tone-deaf. It is *really* difficult to justify using a chest/body Exotic on Warlock, in PvE or PvP. So many of the helmets and gloves are just empirically better.
The only chest Exotic that really clicks for me, this season, is Phoenix Protocol. With the Starfire nerf, I personally feel like Phoenix is absolutely back on the menu (in PvE). Even in a short-duration GMNF, like SABER, I can drop Well of Radiance 5 or 6 times when running Phoenix, even when teamed up with LFG blueberries.
if it’s difficult to justify using exotic robes because the other exotic armor slots are generally more powerful, how is it “tone-deaf” to buff a bunch of exotic robes so they maybe compete…?
i’m surprised they didn’t buff Stormdancer’s Brace though, seems like it’d be easy to add an arc keyword to it and separate from crown of tempests
this 99 resilience hurts
Tbf, sanguine alxhemy is uniquely good with voidwalker, child of the old gods and empowering rift. All 3 stack giving you easy access to what was previously a difficult build to run. Near infinite rifts + void souls makes it very potent both for ad control and burning down majors
10:08 I can hear Datto saying these words as if giving a eulogy to an old friend who had risky habits but was good deep down
I personally love Mantle for wellock in things like GMs but especially playing safe in a solo or flawless run of endgame.
In those activities i already save my well in order to cheat death, and Mantle gives me a reward for that cowardly play style lol.
Not to mention it stacks with radiant so combine it with torches and empyrean and it's a sizable buff. Add in a way to grant healing for empyrean to extend and its pretty unstoppable.
What would be sick is for vortex and/or duskfield nades to have omega suck and much higher uptime/charges but for less damage. Like a point of focus that allows these exotics to shine more.
Just wanted to point out osteo gifts head shots so stacking with chromatic is alot easier for agressive play plus u add in poison damage as well
I’m personally using Verity’s Brow over Sunbracers. Melee ability kills are not consistent, especially in harder content. As for the robes I’ve tried them all and they’ve all been decidedly ‘cool but I’d rather use an exotic that boosts my abilities.’
That's the biggest problem with Sunbracers. If you don't get that melee kill, your entire playstyle falls apart. It's great fun in lower end content, but its consistency dramatically falls off in harder content. Maybe I'm just bad, but I really don't understand why everyone has flocked to Sunbracers.
@@samvimes9510 heat rises is a big puzzle piece there; its melee regen makes the whole ability loop way more resilient, to the point where you can jump and fire Forbearance once (or whatever) and you have your melee back to try it again. You do have to be cognizant of how tanky the enemies are, so that you don't accidentally just power melee a thing that won't die to it (bring an SMG or trace or similar to soften them up if needed), and you definitely want to have a handle on where things spawn, AND there's a tight window to gain Restoration if you're going for extending that off Phoenix Dive.
But when you do get a handle on managing the many moving parts, you are rewarded with overwhelming add clear (and I get that every build says it has incredible add clear, but this is above and beyond, throwing grenades at different parts of the map as fast as the animation allows you to), permanent restoration, and a ton of super regen (via Ashes to Assets and Firepower mods) into the best PVE super in the game. You can also reasonably make a choice between Touch of Flame ("kill everything and win") versus Icarus Dash ("move fast, don't die") depending on what kind of content you're doing or just plain playstyle preference.
But yeah, "missing the melee kill ruins the playstyle" would be very true if not for Heat Rises.
@@samvimes9510 the ignition tech is why it's useful in high end content, basically an ignition will consider its source as anything that inflicted the first scorch stacks, so if you for example use incinerators snap then throw your grenade, this will cause an ignition whose source is a melee therefore proccing sunbracers even if you dont kill the beefy target but rather ads near it
another person said there's a tight window to get x2 resto, no its not tight, you eat your heat rises grenade, use your melee, then dive. the kill will extend it to 6+ seconds and even more if the ignition also killed a couple enemies. but i do agree you have to be aware of how tough the enemies are, however thats usually not an issue, not even in contest mode activities
btw do you know you can become a short-range healing turret for your teammates? proc sunbracers, then start eating your heat rises grenade
You can make an adaptive build with Mantle and use any subclass with it, it's so nice. It was good before, even better now. Love it!
Just picked it up from a vex incursion run - any suggestions for best pairings/subclasses?
@@euraljoiner246 Matching your subclass to work with the artifact is best, and I like using a grenade based build. So either strand, void or arc
i think battle harmony is overlooked greatly because it no longer stacks with surges but id does stack with well. previously it stack with font of might but didnt stack with well. Font stacking with battle harmony was a prominent dps strat for a while. same effect now but slightly better. stacking 2 25% buffs instead of a 25 and a 20. plus just like sanguine you can slap kinetic surge for izi or witherhoard in there as well
Fallen sun star with extended pulse grenade and healing rift is lethal. Lots of fun too
I personally really like mantle of battle harmony as like a phoenix protocol alternative, yes phoenix can pretty much instantly refund half a well of radiance but mantle can give it to me sooner and help me maintain a damage buff until I want or need the well.
Not really, but I’m just here for Datto
The best use of Vesper of Radius these days is with Strand and Weaver's. It becomes an AOE zone-control tool, which is actually better than its Arc use-case.
For chromatic fire robe, i like it with Outbreak Perfected
Don't really need Vesper when you have Arc Souls. Battle Harmony and Sanguine Alchemy can be easily replaced by 2 or 3 legs mods (no exotic slot required). RIP Starfire Protocol.
I've been using a mantle of battle harmony/agers scepter build ever since they both came out. Just put a bunch of energy/super recharge effects when you shatter a frozen target on your subclass and armor, elemental shards, and you'll never run out of super. Someone probably has an in depth video about it cause it's where I got my build but I forgor who.
It's to a point if I'm using agers scepter I'm putting on mantle of battle harmony.
My take is Vesper is super dope for solo dungeon content. Im a novice to running stuff solo but i was able to get to the end of Prophecy with using that as my main exotic armor piece. I think i swapped to starfire just for double nades to do the first part skip but after that Vesper all the way through.
Almost did it flawless but died at the last boss due to entropy so idk if that means anything to anyone else but its got my vote.
However this take might be a lil skewed bc I was using seasonal mods ahaha
I've been using Mantle of Battle Harmony with strand, feels good. It's nice to have something that's _not_ a poison build, that playstyle gets so boring. I'm not sure how well it would hold up in harder content though.
Chromatic Fire with Osteo Striga is amazing fun with controller. Much easier to get headshots.
I'm pretty bad at the game but I still got to Tier 4 on Sorrows Harbor SOLO using this combo. I normally die wave 1!
vesper of radius slaps in this weeks gm. i been having so much fun blinding the fck out of everything. i dont even have to use my guns. just walk in and rift and watch my turret and rift clear everything around me while i emote and have next rift ready :D
Sanguine all the way for me right now with thunderlord and extra ammo. Love it.
I wish they would change the intrinsic x2 surge mod exotics so you can ADD one more on boots to make it x3. Or, just make it x3 to begin with
off topic but I think that with the addition of the mod that collects nearby orbs on class ability, each class should get access to a quicker class ability of some sort. Titans get thruster, hunters just have dodge, and warlocks really don't get a super fast one other than phoenix dive I guess.
That sanguine drip is so good
Glad they were discussable at least 😭
For chromatic fire why not use wish ender, wish ender single target damage is high but it lack in killing multiple ads using chromatic fire will negate the single target nature of wish ender when using void or solar
Except when you just don't get a precision kill because even though you shot an arrow through the enemies head the damage that kills the enemy isn't the headshot but the entry and exit damage wish ender does.
The inconsistency is VERY frustrating imo
@@jacob-2271 that Also a fair point it depends really on if ur power level is the max and also ur weapon so that wish ender power doesn’t fall off. Do get what I mean personally that my on experience not in general