How Many Overtimes Should NASCAR Allow?
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- The Nashville Superspeedway saw a NASCAR Cup Series record of 5 Overtime attempts to end the event. With it we are once again seeing a debate in 2024 that was prevalent in 2004 and even before. The question of how races should end. So, how many Overtimes should NASCAR allow?
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How many attempts at OT do you think NASCAR should allow?
Unlimited!!!
I’d prefer 0 but if we have to have an overtime, I would limit to only 1 attempt
3-5
3
Zero.
I believe that if we get a caution within five laps to go, we race back to the line and finish at the advertised distance. Better to have the race finish under yellow than have absolute chaos making NASCAR an embarrassment to motorsports.
I don’t understand why we’re asking about this
This is the first time I’ve seen the unlimited OT option has really played a factor. At least in a while.
And it eliminates or darn near eliminates the possibility of people manipulating the race. (I.E. Kevin Harvick and Talladega in 2015)
I say we keep it as is.
And at the end of the day, NASCAR will do whatever they want to do anyway
The thing about limiting it is the fans will probably get mad, and it will cause some major drama.
But also note, we rarely see more than 2 overtime’s, and also note this is the FIRST time we’ve seen this, the first time.
So basically I would keep it unlimited so there isn’t any drama at all, and because we usually don’t see more than 2.
Keeping it unlimited causes more drama
Keep it unlimited it's so much fun
I have one thing to say
Fuck those fans
@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT In other words disregard the teams and drivers in the name of “entertainment”
@@ZPaul_ not even entertaining anyway. Not a care for drivers’ safety and the finances of teams from damages. NASCAR is supposed to be a professional stock car series, not a demo derby
It is a one-off race. Changing anything would be a knee-jerk reaction.
Whatever happens the fans will still complain.
Or we won't go or watch, now I only listen to the anthem, see how bad and stupid they are, then pop back in the last 5 laps.
How about no overtime. End the race after the final lap regardless of the situation.
While I thought 5 Restarts were a bit much, to say that the GWC attempts ruined the race is ludicrous. The race tbh wasn’t that eventful UNTIL the GWC finishes. And I hated them this race because my picks ended up not winning. It’s fine the way it is.
I wouldn't prefer the scheduled dustance option, but I'd like to mention that if the yellow happens with more than a couple of laps left, they could quickly red flag it and have a quick shootout. NASCAR themselves did it occasionally in the past (including the '02 Daytona 500), and IndyCar has done it to this day including in Indy 500s lately. (I guess in response to people not liking the 2020 race ending under yellow.)
In my view NASCAR needs to get rid of OT entirely and follow both Indycar & F1 in terms of races being timed. I really like the 2 hour time limit Indycar uses on road courses because it makes the races short & full of action. More importantly once the race reaches the end of the 2 hours, that is it regardless if the race ends under yellow. NASCAR would really benefit from having timed races because the races would be short, full of action & easily watchable from a TV perspective. This is also one of the main reasons why F1 has surged in popularity in the US in recent years because their races are timed. Lastly NASCAR already does this in a way since they own IMSA & the majority of IMSA races are timed.
0. A Nascar race should finish within the said race distance, if it's 400 miles then the race should be finished when the the race leader reaches 400 miles, not 404 or 410. Any late race caution should not extend the race beyond that, otherwise it's gimmick just like Nascar playoff.
I think races should end at the scheduled distance, but there should be a rule for when it can be restarted vs end under caution. I think if there’s more then 3-5 laps to go, the race should be red flagged and have a 1-2 lap dash. Anything less than that, the race can end under caution.
0. The correct answer is 0. Nascar is a distance race. If it's only about the competitive finish, make the race 1 lap.
Sorry but I completely disagree with this
Overtime definitely has a place in NASCAR
That was a blast to watch. Its the first time thats happened. This isn't some crazy problem that needs to be dealt with lol.
Keep them unlimited, but make them restart single file if they still cant solve the race after 3 attemps. Maybe even 1 or 2. Because after a while the race devolves into a wreckfest and tears up cars unnecessarily.
Brother, I don't think we need to limit this. I don't think it's an officiating issue. There must be a change to the current culture in the garage. There is no respect. I think at this point, the owners need to step in and tell their drivers to get their acts together.
Scheduled distance, that’s the way it was and the way it is literally everywhere else in motorsports
You limit it, you get Kevin Harvick
You leave it as is, we get this
You eliminate it and end under yellow, you get angry Chase Elliott fans throwing stuff at Kyle Larson, Denny Hamlin, or Ryan Blaney simply because they were ahead
So basically all the options would cause problems either way.
@@Thando2010 Nascar fans in a nutshell
@@Thando2010And a Big One under the right conditions.
@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 oh yah and that too
Also idk why but i have a feeling that on one of these overtimes (if this happens at the bigger ovals) a car is either gonna do a Rusty Wallace impression or go flying into the catchfence.
Unlimited. This was just a rare event. Harvicks move on Talladega on the third try to save his ass, completely destroys this argument
Unlimited. That’s a big outlier. Won’t happen again for a very long time.
I bet we get 4 at Daytona later this year, and Atlanta and Talladaga will probably use up 3 OTs due to playoff implications
Forgot the trucks race at Phoenix last year. Had a lot of OTs and was just as messy.
We have an overtime line . It's called the start/finish line .
I'm firmly in the 1 OT attmpt camp, and I have been before this stupid race. If the best drivers in the country can't behave themselves for one restart, then that's on them for being sloppy. Also, I hate calling it overtime. Can we please bring back Green-White-Checkered? It sounded way better for a racing series
There was another video that mentioned this, but it's worth bringing up here.
In an Xfinity race, at 5 PM with 3 to go, Elliott Sadler was spun to put the race into overtime. By 5 'till 6 he was BATTLING FOR THE LEAD. It took them an hour to run the final laps because of unlimited overtime attempts.
Call me crazy, but, we limit the attempts to 3, however. After the 3rd attempt, we use the overtime line, but the line is at the 75% maker on the track so theres still a chance to get the race finished. Only one attempt to get to the overtime line, gives 4 attempts, and still a chance to finish the race if we need it. Which most the times hopefully we only need 2 OTs
This is actually a good hybrid idea
They should return to the “Three Strikes” system. It would be good for saving money if there are multiple wrecks and time constraints if the race runs long due to the cautions.
Make it a 1 and done to save even more money and time
I enjoyed the finish of Nashville. Cautions breed Cautions, and the fact that there were so many pit strategies going into the overtime restarts made it that the turn of events was going to happen. I don't watch the TV broadcast, I listen to the broadcast on the app and being able to see stats of all the drivers live, as soon as the 2 spun out it was going to get crazy. My main thing is that the chaos of the ending of this race is good every once in a while. Obviously, I don't want a wreckfest every week, but a race finish like this is entertaining to me.
The finish at Nashville isn't something to flex about, it's embarrassing & pathetic that we needed 40 minutes to run only 2 laps (but I guess DARFS gonna DARF)
@@C-Rad95 "if you dont like that kinda racing, dont even watch"
@cheetahyoda lmao ok then, there are other Nascar series outside of Cup, Xfinity & Trucks to watch (ARCA, Modifieds, Canada Series, Mexico Series, Euro Series, Brazil Tour) along with IndyCar, IMSA & MotoGP so that insult doesn't hurt as much as you think (except you're contributing to a problem that won't be evident until September (and for this problem, you can't pull the NFL/Football excuse card forever) & I'll leave it at that for you to use your imagination)
@cheetahyoda besides, I already know that Nascar ain't getting rid of GWC'S after 20 years (they didn't get rid of it after Summer Daytona 2015 when Austin Dillon went into the fence, Fall Dega 2015 or after the 2020 Daytona 500 when Ryan Newman nearly died. What makes you think a 5 OT shitshow will be any different?). If Nascar is gonna change anything to the GWC rule, it will most likely be making it like ARCA where the race has to finish under green no matter what (aka the 2022 all-star race finish that nearly cost Blaney the win)
@cheetahyoda plus Nascar never changes anything in the sport until either someone dies or gets badly injured because that's the only time Nascar ever changes anything since that is "The Nascar Way"
I think this is just another example of fans overreacting if NASCAR changes it they'll just complain about that to its a cycle
The problem with limiting is you get the Kevin Harvick Talladega scenario. Just race the advertised distance and call it a day. Almost every time a race goes to overtime the person leading has not won the race
They last time a race went the scheduled distance Jeff Gordon was pelted with stuff by THE ENTIRE AUDIENCE at Talladega
Harvick had mechanical issues in that race, not a lack of fuel.
@@S.K.R.E.Inc. Because everyone and their nephson were stupid
Ending under caution was cool
What they really need to do is go back to single file restarts for overtime. The biggest problem here is having too many cars bunched up together and that's what causes wreck after wreck after wreck.
Safety Cars breed Safety Cars. If we want to decide a race winner and/or a season champion by the best driver and team combo, then we stop at scheduled distance. If we wanna play bumper cars and decide a champion like it was done in the Wild West, then have unlimited overtimes
And if we want complete insanity, how about at the start of every overtime we role a 6 sided die. If its a 1, we go racing as normal. If its a 2, every driver must change all 4 tyres. If its a 3, we do a standing start. If its a 4 we do the final two laps backwards. If its a 5, we run sprinklers to wet the entire track on any track. If it’s a 6, the winner of the race is whoever crosses the finish line in 10th
We did the Tony Stewart quote we run until half the field is wrecked
Ok, here's an alternate idea: Unlimited overtime restarts, but all overtime restarts are now mandated as single-file (no choose cone). There's still the possibility of multiple OT restarts, but the hungry drivers aren't packed together and tempted to ship it 4 wide into turn 1.
Here is a hot shot idea. Unlimited restarts, however after the third OT caution- the whole field comes in to pit (no position changes) and every consecutive third OT restart is a mandatory pit. All drivers will have the best equipment chance & enough fuel to race to the end.
The current point system was the biggest factor to that finish. There was way to many drivers in that points don’t matter mindset risking it staying out low on fuel. Limiting the OT attempts would just lead to more controversy because we know nascar has a hard time being consistent.
In my opinion, we should do schedules distance. No OT’S, just race the advertised amount of laps.
Time not distance for TV?
Scheduled distance would cure NASCAR fans from sh*tshow syndrome
Problem is a lot of young fans think races are supposed to devolve into a shitshow and not just be a normal race.
1 Green White Checkered attempt with a single file restart. This will help limit the chaos and give a better chance at a green flag finish.
1 attempt is enough because Unlimited attempts at Overtime are an absolute buzzkill and sad that it took 5 OTs to finish the race yesterday
A friend of mine suggested they do overtime in terms of miles and not laps.
Let's say we have only 1 overtime at every track but its 5 miles. So at Daytona it'll be 2 laps, Bristol it'll be 10 laps, Charlotte it'll be 7 or 8 laps.
You can still have a caution and a restart during some of these tracks but you're not extending more than you already have.
Scenario would be at Bristol, 3 laps to go caution, restart the race with 10 go go, caution with 7 to go, restart at 3 to go, caution with 2 to go, ends race under yellow.
This isnt gonna happen every week. I think it’s fine the way it is.
Bugs me that the second we have multiple OTs people immediate start freaking out over it. Yea 5 was a lot, but this was just a weird ending of a race. Shit happens sometimes
Agreed
Plus, if you limit it, you end up with 2015 Talladega again
Agreed 100%
I think NASCAR needs to not call a caution unless its ACTUALLY NEEDED
I think 3 overtimes is actually a good system, NASCAR has those long finishes that keeps popularity and teams won’t lose *as much* money as they would with 5, it’s a win win
One overtime was great. I wouldn't be stuck watching for an extra hour after the race should've ended.
Gonna throw something a little different out. Rather than a set number of overtime attempts, have a countdown timer once you hit the scheduled distance. The time could vary based on the track, but imagine only having 20 minutes to figure it out regardless of how many overtime attempts they have it has to be done in that time window. If the timer runs out under caution then whomever is ahead is the winner.
But then, I also think they should impose the rule that every short track I know of does where if you spin someone out and it causes a caution you go to the rear.
Another good idea is not counting caution laps once they reach 10 to go, because if there's a caution with like 5 or 6 to go, it doesn't just become a 2 lap shootout where everybody drives overly aggressive
I initially assumed you were going to speak about the #8 driving in reverse in NASCAR
I like one overtime of around 5-10 laps. They can restart as many times in between with cautions but it won't run more than 10 extra laps period. Laps run to clean up or reorganize the cars into position do not count towards the 10 lap limit as they must be 10 full speed laps. Then if there is a caution on the final overtime lap then the field is frozen at the point of crash and the officials can go back and declare winners.
I think we should go to the schedule distance. Yes it’s less dramatic but it’s bad for the sport to see the best drivers in the world crashing at every restart attempt and I want the most deserving drivers to win that’s also why I don’t like stage racing.
One shot overtime with no double file restart to the advertised distance
3 in history seemed to do fine because it at least puts a limit on it. Ain't no one gonna want 5 or more restarts tbh.
I agree it should be 3. This race was kind of an anomaly and it usually only takes them 1 or 2 restarts even at places like Daytona or Dega. 3 max we would still get a green flag finish 95+% of the time but would hopefully eliminate the dumpster fire we saw yesterday.
It was not nascars fault people stayed out when they knew they are probably not going to make it and teams shouldn't have the information that it cant go 2 GWC past the race length.
I favor two overtimes. 1st overtime: Green, White, Checkered. If it goes to a 2nd overtime, have a one lap shootout: Green/White, Checkered. 👍🏁
Yep system fixed.
As many as it takes. And I say that even though I don’t care for the winner.
None. Finish the race at the scheduled distance. They can red flag the race with no less than three laps to go to get the track ready again and throw the restart green flag next time at the line to try and finish under the green. If a wreck occurs past turn one, let them race back to the line instead of freezing the field except for those behind the wreck so those behind the wreck don't risk becoming part of the wreck.
I would be happy with one shot at overtime but with the caveat of there being strategically placed faux finish lines around the track that whenever the leader makes it to that line, that is when the yellow comes out and freezes the field. And I do not even mean that far apart. Maybe, every 1/2 mile on 1.5 mile tracks and bigger and every 1/4 mile on tracks smaller, have a white line across the track. This would allow for some sort of finish and for safety crews to get to drivers quickly.
Unlimited overtime opportunities under the same format, BUT at the end of regulation, the field is hard frozen, and everyone gets a free pit stop, similar to the Clash halftime stop (no one can change position during the free stop, if a second stop is made, then so be it).
I will get hated on for making this idea but hear this one out.
Instead of doing an Overtime like we've been doing or doing a schedule only thing. How about this.
In Iracing, The Street Stock series (C class) on short tracks does this thing where if a yellow comes out, all laps are not counted until the race is resumed.
So my thinking is this, why not do it in the cup series (Or really all 3) once you get to 10 to go, and it counts down per yellow flag? So once the leaders cross the line it'll count. BUT, laps during the pacing do NOT count. This will improve strategy and make the teams have to be calculated as to not make any mistakes per Restart and have to be civilized.
Now, here is where people will get testy here. How will 3 to go work? Same, but here's the catch. Once you cross 2 to go. It keeps going until last lap.
Now here is where it gets interesting, once last lap is thrown and a caution is thrown out. It CANNOT go over that. You HAVE to cross the line no matter what. So this would be treated like a Overtime but you only get 1 lap to do it once the green is thrown. (Green White)
So if you have idiots crashing, here is what it would happen once you're in a Green White phase. NASCAR itself will penalize ANY driver who wrecks anyone or deliberatly tried to cause a crash during this phase. You get sent to the rear or parked. No exeptions, and they have to see what happened. If you're wrecked out or you wreck someone else out, you pay minor fines for causing big ones when you should of been more careful during this phase of the race. (This would encourage teams to make sure their drivers just take it home and not just bin people or themselves out of a race) Mechanical damaged cars that throw a caution due to themselves wrecking out will never be penalized, everyone just sets up and resets. (However if you just get in peoples way when you cause a crash or a pile up, a heavy fine will be applied to that driver of that team)
I know this is a odd ball idea, but I figure this would probably promote a good racing product vs what we got as options by NASCAR right now in it's current state vs the old ways.
If you don't like it, comment why. If you think it's a cool idea, same thing.
Pin this if you legit think it's a amazing idea that should be discussed as a solution.
1 Attempt.
The race was a mess? I think you mean drama-filled? Logano endured to the end. It was crazy that he was able to save fuel for that long. This is an outlier finish. A closer has to be able to win in any circumstance. Sometimes the race is rain-shortened, sometimes it's a green white checker finish, sometimes your setup is bad out of the gate and you have to adjust it like crazy to get it to be a winning car, sometimes you get spun out and have to come back, etc. Chaos is good if it's fair chaos.
Penalize intentional wrecks or cautions, but these are best of tge best; they don't need their hands held. Maybe limit the overtime in trucks and xfinity, but not cup.
New video series... "Who win's the Championship if OT did not exist or if there was only 1 OT"
I’ve been morbidly curious about that statistic, how many drivers would have won if races just went race distance but lost the win to overtime.
My first choice is "Caution laps don't count within the last 10 laps of a race." 2nd choice is 2 Green-White-Checker
Its fine the way it is. NASCAR overreacting to rare occurrences is usually what people complain about. Same people wanting 0 OTs are the same that complained when NASCAR overreacted to Watkins Glen last year and the stage cautions returned. I guess its okay to overreact if the result is something that is "gOiNg BaCk To ThE gOoD oLe DaYs" to this braindead fanbase.
3 is enough I think. No matter what happens on 3rd OT, it is final
As long as it stays a rare occurrence keep it. You can’t say it isn’t exciting. People want strategy and now they complain.
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None. Seriously. No overtimes. Why bother when it could also end under yellow during OT? Race the scheduled distance. So what if it ends under yellow. Oh, and thanks a lot, Cindric!
Unlimited restarts are fine this is such a stupid argument we're having.
I couldn't agree more. All these CZcamsrs are having this stupid argument.
People would say the same thing about the NFL, yet they can tie too
Thank you!!
@@nicholassbardella6045only regular, playoffs are must wins
I agree, I noticed the only people talking about this are CZcamsrs and social media influencers. This is such an oddity that this doesn't really matter
I would say keep it unlimited with the exception that after a certain amount of attempts to do single file restarts
Single file restarts after 1-3 attempts would limit the chaos while still given a higher chance to complete the race under green.
My preference is no gimmicks. Scheduled distance and that’s it
Same here, most races wouldn't have a good finish without a green-white-checkers, and I wouldn't feel robbed of a possible exciting finish if a race where William Byron had a 5 second lead ends under yellow.
Go back to the old way: within 5 laps it’s official
I believe that NASCAR should keep OT's attempts unlimited still. It would be a big risk to limit the amount of OT's especially down in the lower series. More mistakes, inexperienced, and dumb driving are in the lower series. I believe as all fans, we want to see the race to end in excitement no matter what.
the answer is one. Finishing under green is a good idea. Fox and NBC always say these are the best stock car drivers. So completing two laps should be easy.
Rules should not change based on outliers, especially at a track the size of Nashville. If every superspeedway race ended with five overtimes, then okay, let's look at the rule. Smaller tracks never come close to what we saw at Nashville 2024. Keep it as is, and if overtimes start becoming increasingly more chaotic and running as deep as they were, then okay.
It's like baseball adding in the "ghost runner" on second base in extra innings. What they should have done was change the rule to where that runner doesn't come into play until the 13th inning, or something like that.
As many as it takes.
1 overtime if you crash the race is over
I think it should be time limited based on how many miles. 299> 2.5 hours max, 300-399 3.5 hours, 400-499 4 hours max, 500 miles, 4.5 hours. The 600 max of 5 hours. Plus 60-90 minutes extra due to rain after stage 2
Quintuple overtime: an event so rare that it has never happened until now.
Yet, some whine like they have had to endure the end of the world and others celebrate the rare and entertaining treat that the chaos provided.
I wouldn't change a thing unless we went even further on the unlimited overtimes with the addition of it being required to finish under green.
TV/Nascar wants unlimited since the wreckfests increase the viewership without costing them money. If its a conflict for TV its slids to some nth tier format that requires a subscription(more money). Ultimately extended restarts are bad for teams whom get the smallest of the revenue share..
3 overtimes is definitely the most default one. But here's honestly what I'd do with overtime.
2 attempts
First attempt is Double file
But if we don't get to the white then the Second attempt will be Single file.
It'll really be a way to show the drivers that they need to race with respect especially in overtime.
Honestly, set a time limit, like F1 has (with limits two hours of on-track action, and 3 hours [counting red flags] from the start of the formation lap). F1 had the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix take 4 hours to finish, and something was done about it. I can't see why NASCAR couldn't do it.
My vote is for 3 overtimes. If it still ends under caution then it's like "alright, you guys suck we're going home" but I feel like theres still enough chances to get it right and have a good finish.
It's interesting cause in europe majority of persons hate how F1, WEC and other GT series can finish under caution. Majority of people founded the race amazing 😅
I think there should be 3 attempts like in 2010, I don’t think we’d ever go back to schedule district ending it or one attempt, but it’s clear unlimited attempts are too much. Also kind of related to this, I think they should race back to the line, but only on the last lap.
I think just 3 attempts, no more. Like the “3 Strikes, You’re Out” rule/lyric
Most new fans only watch for the wrecks anyway. Unlimited restarts 3 wide that way half the field ends up on a flat bed. Or we could turn around and run the opposite direction for overtime since the new fans wanna see wrecks anyway.
I really don’t think there’s anything wrong with the way it is now
How about time? An extra 5-10 minutes. That fits well with networks, and at the end of that time the next flag ends it
I say leave it, the ending had me on my toes. Now I would say maybe limit overtime on larger tracks & road courses
we should definitely go back to 3 overtime’s
Go to the schedule race distance. If it ends in under caution, so be it.
1 and bring back racing to the line
I’ve always been race to scheduled distance or one attempt at a GWC finish
I feel like 3 was a good number it allowed for extra racing but not just embarrassment with the amount of wrecks had by different guys being able to shuffle to the front and make way to desperate moves for a win
Overtime in NASCAR has become as outdated as the payphone. I said it should be the scheduled distance on Sunday, and I'm sticking to that. People need to understand that NASCAR isn't a stick & ball sport. In sports like baseball, football, hockey, and basketball, we have overtime in the event that there's a tie between the teams after 9 innings/4 quarters/3 periods of play. In NASCAR, we never have that problem.
Yes to all points! Teams owners should start complaining it costs money and to get rid of it.
@@polycube868 Especially since NASCAR emphasized about how they're trying to help save teams money and help them make more money with the charter system. If people haven't figured out by now, neither of which are happening.
@@nascarfanatic2425 and these new cars are way more expensive than it was building the old cars in house.
I’ll give it three OTs at MAX.
I miss the length of the race being the race length. You didnt get extra chances, and if someone causes a caution the race ended under yellow. I just personally liked it better because it put a lot of value on yhe whole race, not just pushing and shoving in a few laps at the end.
unlimited restarts is fine because i think if they limit it, we'll have shenanigans like Harvick at Talladega in 2015
Last week we were discussing how drivers and teams should've been allowed to self police themselves with Wet or Slick tires.
Now this week we discuss whether NASCAR should police the drivers on Overtime finishes.
Make it make sense.
How is this a question! Its perfect the way it is! Why mess with something that isnt broken?
How about we go with the distance option but allow them to race back to the flag if guys get torn up on the last lap?