Has The Red Bull Project LOST Its Wings?!
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- čas přidán 17. 09. 2022
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Hello and welcome back to EFD Explained where today we are analysing whether the Red Bull project is going backwards.
Hear our take on whether it's flagship club RB Leipzig is making the wrong decisions, having fired Domenico Tedesco after an underwhelming start to the season and replaced him with former Dortmund coach Marco Rose.
Expected to challenge Bayern Munich for the title this season, the club have had a terrible start to the season, but what has caused this sudden collapse?
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I have a video suggestion. "Why can't Dortmund win the Bundesliga and how far would Bayern have to fall in order for Dortmund to win?"
already covered by tifo, titled something along the lines of "are Dortmund failing the bundesliga?"
It has to do with the fact that historically every other German club sells their players to Bayern.
@@TheAuthorizedJay Dortmund buys more players than Bayern from rivals clubs. It’s because Dortmund don’t have the mentality of winners. From the top of the club to the bottom.
Tifo irl made a vid on it about a month ago
Bayern is not the problem but Dortmund. Bayern invested in it's self financially a long time ago while Dortmund didn't. It's covered by DW kick off
in simple term, they lost too much too fast, the center back pair, sabitzer, nigelsmann and ralf rangnick, they all left in a very short period of time. It's basically like a generation gap, they haven't completely eyed up replacements beforehand and the succession of the key roles is a bit all over the place.
Exactly, they used to lose one or two players per season, but recently they’ve lost half of their XI
@@12thMandalorian & made it back. You been looking at the results lately? At least Salzburg is doing great.
Not many know or understand that Ragnick is a very influential figure in modern football. Most know for his time at Utd but I believe that his stint in Manchester hardly reflects on how important a figure he has been.
I dnt think his tactics would've gotten us much success if it was actually implemented, but i definitely think he could've done better after Ole's web of lies, broken promises n failures hadn't all errupted. Had we kept him to do the job he actually came to do i think we'd have had a better window. But maybe his picks might've been too orientated towards his counter attacking, high press style
it all started when leipzig didn’t take Timo along to the semi’s of the ucl 2020. after that bayern started taking piece by piece and other top clubs also. they had a shot and blew it just because they won the DfB pokal doesn’t mean they were gonna go 📈 after
I think so. Haaland,minamino,+, leaving RB salzburg. RB Leipzig loosing its traction mainly due to Bayern being Baryern & buying them apart to eliminate the threat of their pursuit of another though Bayernliga title in a successive row. I still have the belief that if RB Liepzig kept Timo werner in that ucl season they might have won the ucl.
I think the bigger issue is them selling players way under market value - they dont get enough money to replace them adequately
@@MobEra89 This really isn't as big of an issue as you make it out to be. RB are usually quite good sellers which can be seen in this year's summer window. RB collected around €80 mil trough the selling of part time players (Mukiele and Adams) or players who were loaned out the previous season (Lookman and Brobbey). Further on, we also saw RB spending a lot of money this summer, breaking the club record fee with the signing of Raum (€26 mil) as well as signing Werner for €20 mil. Another thing is that Leipzig can often buy Salzburg players under market value to replace any outgoings. There are a lot of reasons why Leipzig are in the situation they're in right now but I wouldn't say them being bad sellers is a big one.
Bayern bought them apart??? Werner left to Chelsea, konate to Liverpool you have to be correct Bayern and English clubs Bayern bought upamecano and nagelsmann the one player who actually had a release clause. Sabitzer wasn't really wanted by marsh. It's easy to blame Bayern but the thing is it was rangnick leaving cause after he left RBs recruitment just got worse
Leipzig squad is still number 2 in the bundesliga and salzburg keeps doing alright in the ucl
Minamino was always on the bench. He wasnt inportant
This seems like a bit of an exaggeration. Leipzig is still getting good young players, they still clearly have a great squad, and while they are seriously under performing, it seems to be more of a managerial problem rather than a long term problem. At least in my opinion
It's been a managerial problem three managers in a row then...
@@T1TK1 let’s give Rose sometime. He’s three games in
@@powerouletdino9405 Of course, it would be stupid to write him of after three matches. I'm just saying there are more reasons to the inconsistent results and bad performances than just who the manager has been. A majority of Leipzig's problem have been caused by the fact that they lacked a sporting director for more than a year. It lead not only to the bad managerial picks you mentioned but also a lack of a coherent strategy in the transfer window. If you look at this year's summer window, you can see how directionless the club currently is. Raum was signed for a club record breaking fee of €26 mil, it was an unnecessary yet risky transfer as Angelino had already been consistently performing well. Then there was the signing of Werner for €20 - 30 mil, purely a statement signing with no real plan for how he would work with the team. The signing of Schlager (€12 mil) was however a very sensible signing overall. Still, we saw Tedesco be very hesitant in using Schlager indicating that Tedesco didn't have any real influence on who the club recruited. Lastly there was the lack of a new right back signing. With Mukiele leaving during the summer and Henrichs being generally very mediocre, there was a hole that needed to be filled but the management failed to respond.
@@T1TK1 but our transfer policy makes far more sense, when you look more at context. I’ll give you that Raum was an odd transfer and risk with little reward, but the front office had already been weary of tedesco at the start of the summer. He wouldn’t sign a contract extension and only has a year left so there was no reason to plan around him. Schlager was a good deal, I would even say Werner was a good deal, certainly from a marketing perspective, but very few teams will turn down the opportunity to get their record goal scorer back for cheaper than they lost him, and deals liken Maarten Van Der Voort, and Sesko at least to me show a coherent long term plan. And while we didn’t replace Mukiele, Hendrichs and Klostermann are both right backs by trade. Leipzig haven’t had the greatest window of all time, but as a fan of the club my concerns have been much more aimed at what has felt like unsure management, rather than anything else.
@@powerouletdino9405
Yeah I'm probably being a bit overdramatic. Like you brought up, Vandervoort and Šeško are both good signings for the future. We also did well in keeping hold of Nkunku and Gvardiol. So yeah the club remains relatively well run. I still think that the current management doesn't really understand what additions to the squad are needed/uneeded though. The rightback issue I brought up isn't as big of a deal now as when we're using wingbacks under Tedesco, Henrichs and Klostermann we're both pretty unfit for that role. Hopefully Klostermann can perform well in his original position as a rightback when he's back from injury.
While you're very right in that Werner is a great signing marketing wise, footballing wise it wasn't really thougt through. The main issue is that Werner doesn't have his own clear position in the team. Werner is best as a left second-striker, the same position Nkunku, our best player plays in. This gives you two choices: you either rotate them or play one of them out of position. Rotating them isn't that bad of an idea but it's not great to bench your star player or your statement signing. What has usually happened this season is that Nkunku and Werner have been played together as a strike partnership which hasn't really worked as they don't complement each other. You're also then completely leaving out Silva from the strating 11. Not only does Silva complement Nkunku well but also adds some much-needed aerial threat to get something out of Raum's crossing.
I think the managerial issue is largely down to the management's uncertainty about what playstyle they want to institute. When Nagelsmann who favored possession based football left, the management tried to return to the typical Redbull playing style through the appoitment of Jesse Marsch which ended terribly. We then returned to possession based football with Domenico Tedesco. Eventually Tedesco's results fizzled out and we're now back with Redbull football under Marco Rose. There really doesn't seem to be a clear plan for what the long-term playstyle will be, which obviously complicate any future recruitment.
Sorry I write so much but it's quite fun to hear other perspective from fellow Leipzig fans.
Nagelsmann took them off track, it'll take them time to refind their identity. Nagelsmann isn't a Red Bull guy, they got him because he was an exciting coaching prospect. He didn't come through the RB system. Jesse Marsh is RB but trying to convince players to change back to the RB system was always gonna be difficult.
I havent seen the video already know is going to be good
Stop with these cringey comments
So basically Ragnick is more of a genius than i thought
Man Utd wasted him
They should have listened to him
Man Utd are toxic
@@Darko_Milosevski03 The Glazers wasted Ragnick. Couldn't handle his constructive criticism. Too bad Murtough doesn't know what he is doing either.
@@Darko_Milosevski03 a Toxic club with an idiotic fan base and don't even get me started on the Ronaldo fans
@@wilseph1 absolutely true
Man Utd need new owners
#glazersout
I think without a sporting director and the number of departures they have lost their identity a bit; they are in a crossroads with whether to follow the classic Red Bulll way or go for the more possession based approach.
You don't watch the team and it shows.
Both teams have sporting directors? Salzburg an especially loyal one. They're doing well.
Leipzig's sporting director was appointed hardly 2 days ago; they have been without one for a year now; I was speaking of Leipzig only; it's very unlike a Red Bull team to be without a sporting director and have 3 managerial changes in such a short amount of time.
@@chris7477 so what is your opinion; I have shared mine.
We can only hope, an embarrassment not just to German football but the sport as a whole
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You guys are cheeky with that title 😂
I love your videos and analysis of RB Leipzig. I would love to see more Bundesliga content in the future.
What about the rise of 1. FC Köln from 2nd Division to Conference League.
RedBull shall burn in hell
Y'all should talk about Lorient's start to the season in next continental club
I know!
What a smart title 😂 thank u for the video
Disgusting Corpo Club.
They just need to scout smart, eventually they’ll be back look at Ajax.
I'm not gonna lie, this seems severely overexaggerated. Can't say anything about Leipzig, but RB Salzburg is most definitely doing well for itself. You're clinging onto the past, which isn't a good idea if talking about a club who's only point is to acquire new talents, make them great and sell them & repeat.
When other big teams start to play like you itss either you innovate and upgrade or stagnate amd fall. They seem to be doing the latter.
I hope so 🤞
What happened at Leicester City FC
Timo and Nkunku are underperforming this season l think one of the m should have stayed in england maybe buy new defenders because they cant defend to save there lives
Their defence was second best last year, and Orban is a great leader, Gvardiol is overrated as hell, and he has been awful when he played
Hopefully
All I'll say is
Good luck to Benjamin Sesko next year at Leipzig
He's gonna need it
Leipzig are in trouble
From the start, bulls doesn't have wings but buffalo has
Red bull definitely lost their wings
Hope the plastics get relegated
No, but they realized you get less hate from winning Formula 1 World Championship than from winning Bundesliga and as a Formula 1 and football fan I totally love it. GO MAX!
Mauricio porcettino the answers
Leipzig squad is still number 2/3 in the bundesliga and salzburg keeps producing talent to sell for alot of money and have been doing alright in the ucl for the past couple of years
What metric are you using to make that claim? It’s not results
Nein zu Red Bull
Of course it has. The red bull sides are basically just human trafficking rings at this point. Winning doesn’t matter. Making as much money as possible from youngsters is all that matters.
Results are very much disagreeing with you.
@@antheiheiant Salzburg win pub leagues and Leipzig win nothing. Wow😂
@@brendanclay5070
I’d rather that than a small club struggling for funds to even compete.
@@brendanclay5070 salzburg build decent young player and perform very good for austrian standards
Not just it is debatable to what extent Red Bull is "failing", how meritable is just beating opposition due to have an endless pile of cash?
Yeah, the guy is genius. So much that he failed to negotiate through Bundesliga 2 at the first try despite having a budget and players his opposition could only dream of.
Not much wrong with the video actually. It's probably me who is just bored of this very top level football. No tradition, variety, background stories, just cash, cash and cash.
May Red Bull be indeed a failure and disappear, we can only dream
Very interseting
RED BULL IS BETTER OF F1.
Hit by a SAM
United made a mistake letting him go
Everyone hates RB
rb leipzig has not been the first club that its project has been ripped apart, borrusia Dortmund in 2013 recieved the same; bayern leverkusen in 2001, werder Bremen in 2010 . union belrin and Frankfurt will be the next . There is something behind the scenes in the Bundesliga . posting a video about that will be worthy .
in a nutshell, all of their sporting directors have left later on which is not a coincidence
Hahaha there’s nothing behind the scenes. It’s like everywhere else, the rich take from the poor.
@@julius3428
but there is, how are bayern Munich allowed to play in the focus of rival's assets in crucial moments without a punishment ? they honestly deserve it when Barcelona did the same to them when they got Lewandowski
One of the main problems with germ teams is that the clubs,players and coaches all support bayern, all the "best of them" eventually play for bayern.
Re hire Rangnick
I think the most important thing is that there is still a structure off the pitch. While the star players that came through the RB system aren’t there anymore, the structure/culture that developed them is, not to mention they’ve made huge profits and grown as a club over a very short period of time. While there might be a slump season because they’ve sold their best players, it shouldn’t stop us thinking of it as a success considering their stature. They have a transfer market plan similar to Ajax imo but they don’t have the luxury of dominations the league. Seasons like this are inevitable for selling teams.
Why hold onto star players if you keep producing new ones? Sure, especially in a system like this structure is very important, but that structure seems to be there. From what I've seen, seasoned players (think Ulmer or Walke) are holding the club together. And looking at results they're doing pretty damn well.
@@antheiheiant That's what I'm saying! They've been successful with this model, why change it because of 1 blip season caveated by the fact their best players left! Theres a clear pathway to the RB 1st team for youth players and I'm sure they'll be up there again. Its just a transitional period.
RB will comeback
Shut
What RB? Salzburg currently has no need to "come back" because they didn't leave. Leipzig on the other hand... Well, let's hope.
Yh bayern clips them every year by buying their players with their lazy recruitment process 😴
Lazy?
They literally only signed 2 players from them both in the same season?
the good thing is bayern is not backed by the state security (Stasi). A stasi club would use coercive approach to win 10 consecutive domestic league titles
And if they win with their strategy why tf you complaining
Yeah cause bayern can’t spend like the top 6 from prem or real,barca or psg ,look at all the clubs from Italy they don’t even come close to sniffing the ucl . It’s just a smart strategy to stay competitive . So stop crying .