Best Plugin for Resolve - HALATION | PRO Tutorial
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- I'm a professional colourist with 25 years broadcast experience. So, which is the best plugin for Resolve to create Film Halation? Resolves own new Halation effect or Dehancer plugin? Here I'm going to show you Pro Color grading Techniques on how to create convincing film looks with halation techniques using both - for BEGINNERS to ADVANCED level users.
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00:00 Quick Intro
00:29 What is Halation?
01:32 Footage explained
02:14 My Color management settings*
02:50 BEGINNERS* - Forget color management
03:43 Applying DaVinci Resolve Halation OFX
13:14 Applying the Dehancer Halation Plugin
20:14 Wrap up and Conclusion.
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Hey Darren, another good video here.
I happen to agree with you on where the halation plugin should be placed in the node tree. The film emulation process is not emulating each step in the process in order, so the idea that it should be the first node, would only be a valid point if you were emulating the process and recreating each step.
So if that was the case, then you would only be using printer light and setting exposure and you would be done with it.
I asked our friend Walter his opinion on where the halation should be on the node treeand and his response was:
“Imagine that you put halation at the beginning and then you darken the window light: the halation is now not coherent anymore with the light that comes from that window.
So, for me, halation (and grain) should be put at the end of the process you do to the shot as if the shot was capture in that way, before thefinal look/lut.
It has both philosophical and practical implications.”
The pushing it too far to show it on youTube, is a point in itself, considering that most of us are grading to use on youTube halation and film grain strength is always a consideration and problem. Being subtle sometimes means no one sees it.
Don’t have “Dehancer” but it looks to be something to consider,
Nice to see you explain such complex plugins in an easy to understand fashion. Really great explanation of halation and how it works.
Hi Jim
Well I'm pleased to hear that. I spent days testing and breaking footage so was surprised to then see YT videos putting before the CST - not that that would change my mind - my thoughts are always my own!! My results were always better after. So, here you get my viewpoint. Might need to do a few easier tutorials next though as I've been busy again....this one took up a LOT of my schedule and CZcams only likes it for about 24 hours!! Dehancer is so worth the money IMO. The brand new negative film grain in 5.3.0 looks great too. Hope you have a good weekend. Darren.
@@DarrenMostyn hey Darren when can you put video tutorial on Dehancer pro the whole plug-in how to go about it and how to use it in DaVinci color management as well . Wanna listen from a pro colorist waiting
@@TheSanjaySathian Its one that will come eventually yes.
I always use the Dehancer node last - it seems the film grain (which it does very organically) only makes sense there - especially if you are doing any NR -the grain has got to mess up the NR algos! And it seems the image should be balanced/exposures adjusted etc before film emulation curves...
Hey guys, Glenn here. I noticed something interesting when messing with a node tree today. I've taken on board the advice of working in the wider Davinci Colour Space with two CSTs. I tried dropping halation on a node right before the second CST (which takes it back to REC.709) and then on a node directly after instead, to see if there was a difference. When in the node before it seems to effect mostly highlights, but in the node after it seems to effect the midtones. Where would you say the best place is to place the halation node (note that I'm using the Halation effect that comes with Davinci)? Cheers.
A great video that deals with a complex issue in a really clear way. It doesn't hide the complexity of colour science but enables you to get started on a solid base and workflow to then begin colour correction. Thanks for this.
Darren, I never leave comments but I feel compelled to thank you for the absolutely incredible content on this channel. Your depth of experience and knowledge is clearly present in every video you release; I cannot stress how thankful I am to have found your channel. The hard work you are putting in to create informative videos of this quality is not unnoticed!
Thank you Alex. Appreciate your kind words.
Love that tip on setting a wider color space for the halation plugin. That makes all the difference.
glad that helped.
Very nice in-depth look on the different halation tools! When you first applied the Dehancer tool with the standard settings I was blown away how realistic it was. These tools have really come a long way and you could quite possibly fool people into thinking that this was actually shot on film.
Glad you enjoyed the tutorial Tobias. Dehancer is great - if you decide to buy there is a discount code in the description if that episode too. enjoy
Thank you Darren. You time and energy are always appreciated.
thanks Martin. Appreciated.
Great tutorial, Darren - as always.
This is the best Resolve channel on the web. Thanks Darren - always fantastic content 👊😎
Thank you...very kind!
Every time I a looking for an answer I watch a video or two of yours and get soo much great information. Love the channel!
Thank you Dez!
I am such a huge fan. It's like watching a really exciting movie. :) I sometimes even get teardrops in my eyes, just by witnessing the GENIUS of your tips! Thank you a lot! Binging all the episodes.
Glad to hear you are enjoying them! Keep an eye on community tab and of course sign up to my free email for free node trees, footage and items coming in the future bit.ly/2RrjvpN
Thank you for kind words - tell your friends..! All the best - Darren.
Appreciate all the time and effort you've put into this video Darren, very interesting. Will need to re-watch a few times for it all to sink in. I have Studio so will try it out on some of my footage. Many thanks.
glad it worked for you Ray. Thanks as always for commenting.
I can't imagine a single occasion on which I will need to add halation, yet found myself glued to this video from start to finish and picked up some useful tips anyway. Thanks!
Excellent video as always. Thank you, Darren.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks, Darren. Great video 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it
Once again, just a fantastic explanation. We use Dehancer too but I'm really liking the editing speed of the built-in effect.
yes dehancer is slower. The latest version 5.3.0 has ability to choose quality to reduce render times. The resolve halation tool is fantastic anyway.
Professional presentation of fascinating topic, for free. You're the best.
Thank you and appreciated. I work hard on these, so it really means a lot when people take time to comment. Thanks again.
Such a nice video, your explanations are excellent and cover exactly what one needs to know. Your teaching material is also well chosen.
It is all very well prepared...I don't just 'knock these out' ... a lot of work goes into making sure maximum gain in minimum time for you the viewer. Appreciate your support and comments that this is noticed.
love this program, just bought it, thanks for the discount code!
You're welcome - its a great product! I use all the time
Fantastic, thanks a lot!
Thank you! I appreciate your time and effort put into this tutorial.
You're very welcome!
I was super interested in this effect, thanks for the vídeo, Darren! Greetings from Brazil!
Glad it was helpful!
Great explanation and in depth review as always Darren! Just discovered Cullen Kelly as you suggested me, would love to see a collaboration of some sorts in the future, you guys bring great industry knowledge tha can't be found on any manual or forum. Keep up the great job!!
Great suggestion! Id be happy to do a colab! We are good industry friends anyway - it's a very small community living in a huge YT world, also living in a real world! Love it!
Again, great video and explanation! You make it sound easy.. which it´s not always true, but with all respect and your experience, you explain it in a very understandable way, so I just have to repeat, practice and study.. Thanks! :-)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Super usefull! I just started studying color on DaVinci! Thank you for the insight.
Glad it was helpful! there are lots more if you look at my channel. Even the old ones are only V16 so still very relevant...channel is relatively new still.
Thanks for the comps.
Hi Darren, thanks so much for this. Good to know resolve is ‘nearly’ as good. Hard to keep track of the often excellent, sometimes not, number of plugins coming out. Appreciated as always.
Glad it was helpful! hope you are well!
Well done, Darren! A very nice exposé on both OFX. Your dive into the details is very helpful. Many thanks. I've been using the old school, homegrown, version of node-based halation for a while and Dehancer is SO much nicer. BTW, I have been grading Artgrid footgage on some projects and the quality is 100x better than expect. Quite the surprise.
Thanks Scott. Took me a long time to dive in deep and really get under the hood of these tools. Artgrid surprised me too....Very clean footage. Birthday congratulations in order I believe too! have a fantastic birthday! - appreciate your support of my stuff on FB too! All the best,
Darren.
@@DarrenMostyn Thanks for the birthday wishes. Keep up the fabulous work on YT and beyond!
@@HeliopausePictures Hope you having a great night! Will try my best to keep you all entertained on YT!
Thank you , that halation was more than what i assumed it was 😄
You're welcome Sagar.
Best content!!!
Thank you Valentyn - appreciated.
Amzing video ! Would love to see an advanced Dehancer video though. But keep it going, it's usefull !
Coming soon!
Thanks for this video! I've been using the halation node ever since it came out and I came to the same conclusion you did about where to put it in the node tree. But since I saw a lot of CZcamsrs saying to put it at the beginning, I was second-guessing myself. Hearing your perspective on the topic made me feel a lot more confident in my eye and taste as an artist, since I respect you so much as an artist.
Also, I've been thinking about buying Dehancer for a while now, and I have a narrative project coming up that could possibly make really good use of it. But in terms of halation I think I've found that I'm happy with just the DaVinci halation node. I'd be more interested in the film emulation side of things. Especially if Dehancer is able to do negative emulation too, in addition to print emulation.
Dehancer has a lot more than just halation of course. Its bloom is especially nice and Imm using it a lot recently. Dont forget you get 10% with code DARREN10 at checkout on dehancer website
@@DarrenMostyn Ooh thanks for the coupon code!
@@Fuffuloo very welcome!
Love this
Glad to hear you like these...many more coming!
Color grading is a good bit of science as much as it is art. It’s probably my weakest area in video editing, partially because my eyes struggle a little with certain shades red and greens so I have to rely on my scopes. But a lot of work I do has tight deadlines, so mostly boosting the saturation, contrast and fixing any white balance problems has been about the extent of my skill set for coloring footage. However, with DaVinci I’ve really enjoyed the flexibility (although a bit overwhelming at times) it gives me to do things I couldn’t do in previous editing software. I’m still striving to learn new things and want to improve.
stick with my channel and you'll learn solid techniques. All the best, Darren.
Thank you Darren 🙌🙌
I got the Dehancer plug-in but I feel like I’m not using it right. Hope you drop the dehancer tutorial soon 😅. Love your tutorials!!
What are your concerns? to be honest I have some mixed feelings about the tool in its current state, but you can create some really cool looks with it and at the moment it's the best film emulation plugin for resolve for the price. Got any questions I can help with?
I'll be doing something, but not immediately. Its one of my fave plugin.
as usal, great content! thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for the tests, Darren! Quick update - we've released a version for Premiere Pro and After Effects. If anyone wants to test it out, welcome to our website for a two-week trial.
I'll mention it on my live next Tuesday 7PM BST.
Your video are very helpful, thank you! Can you do a Dehancer Pro tutorial? Whenever I use Dehancer, especially the film emulations they are way too strong and just don't look modern and natural. Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but a tutorial would help.Or maybe you don't recommend the film emulations at all? Thanks!
Thank You great video as alway!Do you have a lesson on HDR or DCI P3 delivery? I just received my Mac Book Pro Max1 64 and it comes with different configuration for the display...DCI P365 ,HDR I need to lear how to configure it when grading in resolve for different colour spaces . Thank You always
great !!!
Hi Darren, Great video, very helpful indeed...I just have a couple of questions about grading in Davinci, Is it worth buying a screen calibrator for your monitors if you can't afford a Flanders grading monitor...or is this not worth it? ...2nd would ever consider doing a grade tutorial using BRAW 4k Gen5 footage....some great clips on the Black magic website...would be good to see how a pro handles the grade and colour science? Thanks and keep up the good work.
What would be the best approach to emulate a good photoreal look on a3D animation?
I love your work, Darren, it’s absolutely top notch and a cut above anything others are doing in the resolve tutorial space.
I’d love to see you do a deep dive on colour management and CSTs. I’ve noticed for a time you were using the colour management but have gone back to putting the CST in your node tree… exposure and a bunch of other things seem to behave better “under” the CST. I’ve been flip flopping personally, I liked being able to preview my media pool with the CST applied using colour management, but some things just do seem to behave better under the CST node.
I’d love to see you talk about what you like to do before/after a CST and why, and how the DaVinci colourmanaged environment doesn’t give us quite the same flexibility.
Thank you. All good comments and noted.
Darren; Halation removal??? I have hours of 1956 archive film mostly shot outdoors and, you guessed it, lots of halation. So this problem is not how to create it but how to reduce or remove it. High contrast edge detect and then chroma qualifiers? A Fusion key? Love your work Darren. I check for your latest frequently.
Today I learned something new 😊 thanks for doing this tutorial Darren. How often are you using this effect in your real projects?
Im using Dehancer more and more as I get used to it. Just graded a doc and used the bloom tool very subtle though - a reasonable amount on key interviews (as time permitting) - just one example. Halation on music promos, not really on docs as it needs careful tuning.
@@DarrenMostyn thanks!
Thank you Darren, great explanation as always 👍 I fully understand the artistic intentions and so on, but a small philosophical topic comes to mind. How much effort and time we put into achieving (good old) imperfection in the era of 12K shooting technology 🙂
Im thinking about getting dehancer but wondered what people thought about look designer and colour ai
great
Thx for the vid! What your thoughts on this: Could you kind of substitute promist filters with halation in post? To soften up the image a bit? Would be great because I really do not like to use filters a lot when filming.
Promist at source is always going to look better if thats what you want as a look.
Great video. I think that if you keep the halation effect too low, you don't even see it. I like it to be more obvious. Halation is clearly visible especially in the classic Eastman 5247 film stock that was used on Rocky, ET, Apocalypse Now, Annie Hall and many more classics. I wish someone would create a really good 5247 emulator.
As YOU like it - that's how to do it for sure.
Thanks Darren for such great content. Just wanted to find out the difference between the GLOW and the HALATION effects in Resolve color page
I have done glow in this episode. Might be worth a watch. Hope that helps. czcams.com/video/YM2U4UtYBFE/video.html
@@DarrenMostyn Alright noted
The other day I walked out of a film I saw and said, "wow, did you see that halation!" :) Great video! Would love to know your thoughts on Dehancer as a whole.
I use dehancer on EVERY job.
@@DarrenMostyn thanks, but does that mean the other settings or you use “halation”!on dehancer for every job. I’ve tried the trial of dehancer andnits better than film convert but I don’t think I’ve figured out a sweet spot in any scenario.
Fantastic - I understand the options and settings much better than I have from just messing around. But the question came to mind, given the wide range of projects you work on, what are examples of projects where you would very much like to use halation, and what sorts of projects do you feel it detracts from?
I use it on a music promos as I do a lot of them. Not so much on docs as I dont have the time usually.
Hey, Thanks for this video so helpful . I want to know why you don't put CST node in the beginning of the node tree ?
Because it will be clamped to REC709 too early...I want access to the highlights etc as shot.
love, thank you! Can you help me understand what best export settings are from a PC? I noticed the workflow from mine back to mac users can sometimes look off, especially when they bring back into Premiere. I've tried DNXHR , h.265 or Uncompressed and converted to Pro Res. I've heard dnxhr hqx is best too. What's the best universal settings for it to look similar as it did in Davinci?
hi Darren, thank you for another amazing tutorial! I tried Dehancer and I loved it. However, as a hobbyist (aiming to get clients in future), I am not sure if I wanna shell out that kind of money for this plug-in.
You might one day...the code will be live for ever, so when you are ready. This is my current fave plugin!! Im using it lots.
thank you sir appreciate from china
you are welcome.
Do you find removing the rec709 cts before exporting so it remains in Davinci Wide gamut helps with the youtube compression?
Perhaps I missed this but, is there a way to add
A specific color to the helation effect?
Hey Darren , i used dehancer after my cst node , setting film print kodak2383 , exporting for theatrical , should i just set color tag to dcp gamma 2.6 in the deliver page , or i gotta change output color space in my cst as well as in the color management in the project setting , i'm so confused , would appreciate your help ,
Dehancer's licence model requires to buy a new license next year? Thank you
Quick question for RED Cameras. I recently subscribed to ArtGrid and I have been practicing color grading and working in these CST workflows. As someone that does not own a RED is the REDWideGamutRGB used for all red cameras? I have been having trouble finding info on what to select. Also, there are various RED options. I would greatly appreciate any help or direction or if there may be some documentation on the internet covering all cameras and conversions. Thanks!
If I choose the input source to DVR WG/Intermediate, should I put Dehancer node within the Davinci Wide Gamut workflow or after my CST out? And what's the difference between DVR WG/Rec709 and DVR WG/Intermediate? I'm utterly confused...
hello , I have a question .. I have a screenshot from the internet for reference, I import it in Davinci Resolve but in Davinci it doesn't look the same, the colors and contrast look different ... can you help me solve this please ..Thanks.
I would really like to see your workflow on false color during color grading
not a huge part of my workflow TBH. I have to work much quicker generally.
The dehancer is also more taxing depending on your hardware. It's crazy how it is significantly more demanding than davinci's built in one
I actually find it pretty quick, but yes slower than resolves in built halation, but REALLY quick for a pro plugin.
Thank you for sharing your tutorial, why you don't start with CST in the first node?
This is always how I work. Tutorial is about Halation....dont get too worried about it here...CST positioning is big topic, I am a PRO colourist, grading for many many years now - Amazon, Netflix, BBC... and I always do my balance UNDER the CST. My node tree operations need a dedicated episode I guess!
@@DarrenMostyn thank you, i asked this question because i think Davinci Colour Managed is the same process in a sense as CST, with only difference that it is applied to the whole timeline instead of a clip.
@@TimetoTalkwithYevgen sort of. if you are using davinci colour managed then you dont need the CST in this scenario. Both work. Hope that helps. All the best.
Wow didn’t expect Dehancer been mentioned, I thought it was a local thing 👀
Pavel Kosenko participated in dehancer plugins development, also got an amazing book “live diginal” in russian about how to handle digital image so it wouldn’t look like film, also they worked on RPP photo color tool for processing RAW images, and STILL in 2023 I mainly use RPP because it gives 100% of control of how raw images are been processed (if you use it you would know that no commercial raw processor is close to how RPP develops raw images. Its hard to use it for video color processing (not impossible, I had a good results with it), but mainly its a raw processing for photos.
Also RPP was kinda alfa version product, but still work’s amazingly (but its mac os only).
I tried dehancer on early stage of development and for some reason I was not really happy with results, but I think I should give it a try now, I guess.
We also discussed halation a lot on a color grading course from film school…
If only I could get a remote job as a colorist 😢 in county where I live now there is now market for colorists (they don’t care about any video production at all, I have to work shitty job to be able to have a place to live and food).
How it is going in English speaking countries? US? Canada? Is it possible to move and get a job as colorist or people simply not care about picture quality in 2023?
Hello Sir @Darren I hope you're doing well. I just noticed that you're using gamma 2.4 on mac system whereas mostly people (including me) use rec 709a. Can you please clarify which is better to use as I once messed the output colors using gamma 2.4
watch my CST videos and colour management videos.
For some reason your coupon isn't working for me..
nevermind, I had a space at the end
Hi. Presume you got it working..? DARREN10 All capitals, numbers for the 10, one word, no spaces....and enjoy!
I always try to use professional color correction in my CZcams videos, but it takes so much time (8 hours per 153 scenes on average). Any tips on how I can speed up this process?🙃
Hi Daren thankyou, Great
QUESTION: It would be great to see a video on this... I have been trying to create a color block out over black and white for days.. Its a fight scene, the good guy is in full color and the bad guys are in black and white. I use the Magic mask to mask the good guy... the issue is matching the color between scenes. I thought I would use the Main node with color grade... Then into two parallel nodes, one B/W the other color, each feeding a serial.. One will mask on the good guy, the other inverted to mask the bad guys... from here it goes wrong, The sum throws a blue cast over the B/W and the full saturated node is in the yellow / orange spectrum... if this interests you, I can upload the project and a couple seconds of files for you to see...
Cheers, thanks for your explanations, they are they best Ive seen..
Layer node.
Wonder where is this footage coming from? As I see it on other YTber grading tutorial 🤔
Artgrid. It says that at the beginning of the episode. There is a link in the description for 2 months free if you like it.
100% agree with what Darren says here. This is very close to the way I work, and I would do halation or digital filtration towards the end, maybe in the middle of the node tree after all the basic correction and level changes. Dehancer, Halation, Scatter, and Filmbox are all worth candidates, each with pros and cons -- for filtration only, I vote for Scatter. Film emulation is a murkier subject.
Hi Marc. Good to hear from you. Glad you agree about the position of halation. Ive seen a few YT videos now where its placed at the front and didn't work well for me. Ive heard scatter is a great product. I'll dive more into film emulation in a future episode. Thanks for taking time to comment. All the best, Darren
It will be nice if you do a Dehancer plug-in tutorial and how it can used in project and node level davinci color management (rcm 2)
I will do a detailed dehancer one in the future as im really enjoying using it
@@DarrenMostyn waiting for that 😻
Are you sure the results are 'better' / more realistic doing it after a CST? It's effect is something that happens on acquisition so to emulate it, it should be scene referred so it can operate on linear data internally which is why it has an input space setting. Otherwise the effects it has on diffuse white is near equal to a light source visible in the camera.
Hi Shebbe. Im basing this on MY personal findings and Im happier with these results. I did a lot of testing!! Spend a long time like I did and see how you get on. It's my personal preference for sure. How it should be is not really documented.
@@DarrenMostyn Cool, thanks for sharing!
@@shebbe you are welcome. Life skill in general - Too much info out there ! Make your own decisions of course based on information you gain in colour world, but test it and then test it again and then, I recommend you test it on other footage too. What works for you and your client is best - maybe not always what you heard from someone else. My practises here seem to go against other videos Ive seen on CZcams with halation, but I'm confident with my findings here. Unless you have a mentor, then listen to them of course...I may not be the perfect tutor but happy to share my findings. All the best.
Not sure if emulating the process and only caring about one aspect is relevant to a digital representation.
In the film days - grain was also in the negative and then in the print, then added to all that was noise in the scanner, and so on.
So saying that something was done on acquisition would only be valid if you then emulated every step in the film process before digital.
If that was the case to follow the procedure order of operations, then the ISO and filmstock would come first as well and the next thing would be printer lights and setting exposure and the colorist would be done.
So the order is as Darren found - a visual representation of a film process as a choice of a visual inspection, is probably as good as any for making that choice.
Darren's end result decision as to where it is on the node tree, coincidently matches the opinion of Walter Volpatto as well.
I asked Walter personally the same question, and he came to the same conclusion. So the dozens of big cinema features that you have seen that Walter has graded - he prefers in a digital process to have the halation at the end, because baking it in too early potentially can be destructive and incoherent. ( his words ).
@@JimRobinson-colors Interesting to hear, and Walter is also a good friend of mine - I have not asked him about this of course. My halation tests here are my own and not based on researching 'youtube' videos but doing my own research on footage. I can honestly say I've learned a lot more from youtube than I expected over the last 18 months but my channel was started to give honest advice based on my broadcast real-world experience and to give viewers a choice who they listen to on CZcams. Follow your instincts...you'll know who's advice is good and solid. It may not be mine, but that's also fine - there are enough channels out there to find the ones you like - I'm here for those that want it! All the best, Darren.
i cant find hlation fx in my davinci? is it added only in a new versions?
came in v17.4 I believe.
@@DarrenMostyn oh ok, im on 17.3
Good channel.
Accepted!
Greetings from Berlin
Thank you very much!
@@DarrenMostyn Honour where honour is due.
@@DarrenMostyn What are you doing apart from YT videos?
can I use Halation Effect without any color space ??
yes
@@DarrenMostyn ok thank you
why I can't use shift and f
No idea. Does it not work? Maybe different on PC..?? Im on mac.
@@DarrenMostyn iam on macbook m1 pro 14
Given the cost of Dehancer, I will take your word that it is slightly better. Probably not going to pay for it.
you can buy just the halation part if you need.
Why bother with CST’s? Just use the Resolve Colour management (especially if just working with RAW), it’s far quicker and does just a good as any CST! I definitely think for the purpose of this demonstration, CST was just excessive information.
If you have a workflow that works for you then this is ideal as you can take my workflow and apply to yours so shouldn;t affect RCM or not. I like to show my workflow for transparency and to deliver a full tutorial as to MY preferred settings. It's the most important part of the workflow - what settings I am using are important IMO. If people prefer I just do RCM workflow and go RCM instead of my actual workflow then I'm happy to do too. Let me know in the comments - always listening! Darren.
@@DarrenMostyn I prefer the CST nodes (with groups) because RCM doesn’t always get it right. Especially if you get a wide range of camera sources. Easy enough to save grades into Power Bins.
The decades of engineering perfection went into optics and imaging technology trying to remove these artifacts, may RIP🌷
I was wondering if you have any thoughts about using Resolve’s color managed workflow (what I use with Dehancer Pro- using the Wide Gamut Intermediate as the input to the plugin) versus using Dehancer’s built in camera profiles? I prefer letting Resolve do the CST work as it is more flexible when mixing cameras…
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