0027 A tiny distraction - T gauge
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- čas přidán 26. 09. 2023
- Not long ago I stumbled across T gauge - it's crazy small! I ordered a T gauge HST train set and show it in this video, along with my initial intentions with what I'd like to do in T gauge
I bought these things from www.tgauge.com/
www.tgauge.com/product/562/ln...
www.tgauge.com/product/227/hs...
And here is an announcemnet, " Due to cutbacks, we'll be reducing the size of our trains..."
Lol, yes, though my wife sees it very much as _another_ railway and _more_ train buying!
That's what's happening here in ireland
Cutback in size but definitely in cost. Haha 😆
I've never seen T Gauge running before so thank you for the post. All The Best. Cheers!
Thanks :)
I've heard of "Running a reduced service", but.....
Seriously, I just love seeing my favourite train (HST) in different sizes.
🤣 very good! Yes, it's very recognisably an HST, even at this size 🙂
T SCALE FROM JAPAN
T scale 1:450 has been around since 2006. Introduced by Eishindo in Japan. Model Railways are the biggest indoor Hobby in Japan. Indeed there are more N scale modellers in Japan, than there are modellers of ALL scales up to Gauge 1 in the whole of the rest of the World 3.5 times over. With N gauge model fans now estimated at around 20 Million. N scale has traditionally had the biggest following due the average home in Japan being very small.
T - scale being the tinniest commercial scale currently, has attraction for Japanese model railway fans, because it is so small. You can build a complex layout on your kitchen table. Followers of the scale are hard to confirm, as many regular N scale modellers also have a T-scale interest. So figures of 500,000 T scale modellers in Japan, could be partially a duplicity !!!
Another reason for the huge interest in model railways in Japan is a Cultural result. In Japan the wife takes precedence over the husband within the home, on everything. So the wife has to deal with the Children's hobbies, and quite obviously every little boy needs a train set. Which "mum" is also expected to build !!! Hence even Supermarkets sell model trains !!!
Hi, wow that's really interesting and such a contrast to here in the UK! Model railway items in the supermarket - that's so awesome! Thanks for sharing :)
I recently bought the T gauge HST. Amazed just how much detail they managed on such a tiny model. They even make an 08, although it’s out of stock at the moment.
Yes it's very impressive - hopefully I'll be able to make a railway that isn't too far off, but I'll struggle to actually get the detail quite as good!
That 7+2 HST set is what attracted me to the scale too. When coupling up, I suggest using a pair of tweezers to squeeze the couplers together. That locks them properly into place and lets you avoid any issues with one carriage being lifted off the track. You really have to keep the track and wheels clean, using tweezers again to pick the lint out from the gears and axles. Be careful when handling the power cars - never, ever pull on the bogies or you will stretch their attachment springs, so hold the bogie and body / chassis rigidly together when working on them. And get a pack or two of replacement springs the next time you place an order, just in case. Then sit back and watch the trains run!
Hi, those are loads of valuable tips there, thank you for taking the time to share them with me! It looks like you've done some impressive things in T gauge!!
Thank you. Building and running a medium sized layout such as your proposed Dawlish should be straightforward enough, but anything much beyond that becomes challenging (to put it mildly). I got cold feet after starting a 20 foot model of Ribblehead, and ended up taking a 90 degree turn into the Twilight Zone with my linear motor stuff and haven't looked back! To see what can be done in conventional T Gauge, however, you might want to track down Orbost and The Bridge.
Thanks - I've had a look around, and yes, they both look impressive! It shows just how small you have to go with the scale to make models of some of these awesome structures.
On the museum display layout, a G scale replica of the section of town including the railway Station, I have used T Gauge as a garden railway in one of the suburban back yards in a figure 8 for which I had to make the track at 3mm myself. I also included a turnout to the shed which took four attempts to make without causing derailments every time. I don't plan to do anything more than this in T gauge but I have added an N gauge with modified rollingstock, into the park section with G scale passengers riding on them.
That's quite the contrast in gauges, G to T! That does sound very fiddly, but it's a nice touch of detail and interest.
That would actually work quite well. I've seen N used to represent 7.25"/7.5" gauge before, so T would be a great pick for (roughly) representing G in G. Gception!
That's a great idea!
Yo dawg, I heard you like model railways, so I put a model railway inside your model railway!
I've been looking for this all over the Internet. I need pictures/videos. I really want to do something like this on my g scale layout.
Love this. Just came across your video on T gauge. Can't wait for the next episode
Thanks, glad you like it 🙂
Impressive train set! Great video 👍
Thank you 🙂
Crazy but good! I build me a dream landscape on my WC!
Aw, that is sweet! I live in a small flat and have an N Gauge layout. Now thinking abaout a T Gauge one. Thanks!
N gauge is pretty good for small spaces, but it feels like you can get an awful lot more railway in with T :) I've yet to get cracking with any actual modelling at this scale though - we'll see how that goes!
This is the size perfect for a Lego minifigure to use! Amazing!
Pain is part of the fun with Tgauge! I've had to service my trains, and taking off and on the springs from boogies to body is challenging without bending or deforming them! So I ordered a couple of backup springs with my next order, which is also good because they can be easily lost as well, much tinier than the trains themselves. Also be extremely careful when taking the train apart, I cracked my very first starter set train a couple years ago due to too much dust getting stuck in the gears, the plastic is very thin and brittle.
There are 2 impressive TGauge builders out there you can find on CZcams, MMBUFBerlin channel in general & Richard Kříž with his video "Whole build of T-gauge layout 1:480"
Thanks for the tips and channel recommendations! Someone else had mentioned springs, so I ordered some spares when getting some more track :)
Very nice have seen other t gauge items more a novelty than a hobby 👍
Once I'd found out about this I was surprised at how many videos there are, and how long it's been around for. I can't deny it's got a novelty factor for me at the moment! 🙂
I saw T gauge years ago at The York Model Railway Show, held at the York Race Cource. Over the Easter weekend.
I've found that I'm quite behind on what exists! Often Z is the smallest that's mentioned when I've seen comparisons of scales.
very nice train set!
Thanks! It's surprisingly satisfying watching it go round - I'm very pleased with it so far :)
Hey Jonathan, this is insanely small! I love that there's an HST available at this scale! I must have seen similar videos to you, which had also piqued my interest, but I struggle to see the details in N gauge, so not sure my eyes would survive an encounter with a T scale layout! A Dawlish based layout on a shelf sounds like a great idea though, and I'll definitely await your progress with interest! All the best, Ian.
Hi Ian, yes, I think an HST is just the right thing for getting started with this. A (distant) future challenge will be to see if I can repaint another set into swallow livery (I'll need to seriously up-skill first though!!) There isn't a huge amount of detail to see - it's like looking at a railway from further away, but I imagine the camera will highlight all sorts of things that I can't actually make out in-person, so it could be interesting when it comes to making scenery and signals for this!
What a great video - thank you and subbed.
Thanks, glad you like it and great to have you along 🙂
Wow, that is tiny!! Looking forward seeing how you progress with the T scale... and putting up a shelf!!
It is indeed! Yes... I'll have to build the layout somewhere accessible, so I can put off the terrifying prospect of the shelf for a while yet :)
I like the idea of a Dawlish layout. I don't know if scenery is your forte or not ( I've only just come across your channel!), but it might be fun to extend the layout to include a tunnel or two more, eg: including Coryton Cove, (nice little beach, with the railway behind it popping out of the other end of Kennaway tunnel) There are some lovely interesting cliff formations around there including the Parson and Clark.
I don't think I've found a forte just yet! Lots of that coastal run looks great, you're right, but even in this scale it takes a lot of space to model much from real life. Possibly an extension in the more distant future, turning it into an 'L' shape to add more heading South through the sections you suggest.
T Gauge is nuts! I've messed about with it since its introduction about 15 years ago but sadly never made anything too substantial with it
Wow, I didn't realise it's been around for that long - it took a long time for me to come across it!
Yeah, first went on sale back in 2007, it's just not massively mainstream or well publicised due to it's very small following and high costs - and in to this the fact that there are very few accessories for it compared to the larger scales which puts people off. If you have a 3d printer though, its perfect as you can pretty much design everything and print as many as you want (houses etc) because at this scale it just has to look right and proper details aren't a big deal
@@endoorrailway
That makes sense - I think I just got lucky that an available train is one that I like! In scale terms it's more expensive than N gauge, but in absolute terms it seems to be less expensive. Yes I've been thinking about the 3D printing possibilities, but getting a 3D printer and the associated equipment is a whole other venture that I don't think I'll be starting any time soon. I suspect I'll be tempted to eventually though :)
I brought one of these a few years ago. Like you. I found that mine derailled and the couplers didn't seem to be that good. But it's really good fun
Thanks for the comment - I'm glad to hear it's still really good fun after few years :)
@endoorrailway lovely video, thank you
Awesome!
We proundly announce next year there will be an M gauge , M for 1 milimeter with the development of 1N gauge to start development in 14 months
lol, yes there's bound to be an even smaller scale sooner or later!
Never see T gauge with British traction. I live in Dawlish, so I’ll be interested to see how this turns out .
Best of luck
Andy
Hi Andy, awesome - hopefully I'll do it justice! I've only ever visited, but it's a well-photographed area :)
I saw a t gauge model of the Forth Bridge once. It was huge. HST's and class 66's
Yes I've just watched a couple showing that - I guess it just goes to show how big that bridge is in real life!
Charming.
Sounds like it deserves a slightly different moniker - the ‘Devonshire (cream) T.’ Sorry - couldn’t resist! It’s a bit crazy just how small that thing is, though. As a OO modeler the mind boggles.
lol, yes that works quite well! Yes, I'm currently trying to figure out whether or not I can get colour signals to work, when the black bit with the lights in will need to be no more than 1mm wide - it's proving challenging!
God to rn as a line in the background on the layout to give perspective.
Yes it's small but a whole new experience, Dawlish would be great.
A new experience indeed! It'll be nice for long-ish trains to have some breathing space in their surroundings compared with Endoor.
I am an N Scaler too. I have a small collection of Z Scale but these T Scale trains are outrageous. Haha!!
Not sure if I'm ready for them because the detail really isn't there yet and like you, I've heard people having difficulty keeping them together and on the rails as well.
I think with a high-resolution 3D printer there are options for making the detail, but I've yet to brave the world of 3D printing! For me the detail is ok for a sort of "far off" view of the railway.
@@endoorrailway well I think the passenger set seems a little more realistic compared to the freight trains. Have you seen the freight sets? The locomotives lack way too much detail. They have the look of a very young child’s toy in comparison to the look of a real model, so to speak. lol
Ah yes - now that you mention it I do remember thinking something similar about some things I saw.
I'm currently working on 'U' gauge but I keep sneezing - weeks of work lost. ;o(
lol
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As tested, that lot cost £319.18 !
Yes - it's smaller and less expensive than N gauge, but the scale is a lot smaller whilst the cost is only a bit smaller!
There is a type of fixed coupler that allowing to join cars permanently
Ah, that's interesting - I'll have to have a look for that!
@@endoorrailway They are called 'Straight' type and marked P033 in the original Hong Kong catalogue -1 in Black and -2 in grey. You may want to try a few first, as they not go well with all types of cars, especially not the longer ones. It depends a lot on the curves used on your layout, as they also shorten the distance between cars - which does really improve the appearence as well.
Thank you very much for the information and advice - it's something I'll look into 🙂
I actually have had a similar derailment experience with my N scale N700 Shinkansen (1/160 since Japan uses US standards for standard gauge equipment, their cape gauge equipment is 1/150), where longer trains are more prone to derailments. I think the issue is just trying to run those extra-long coaches on a tight loop of track like that.
Thanks for the tips - it seems I'll have to do some experimentation to see what minimum radius I can get away with.
1 engine may run slightly faster than another engine, make sure the fastest/most powerful is in the front, that way you avoid carts being pushed with too much force, it has helped many people@@endoorrailway
Thanks for the tip - I did wonder if something like that might be a factor. In my most recent order (arrived but not unboxed yet!) I've ordered some non-magnetised wheels to experiments with on the coaches - if I can get them to roll more freely I might be able to get away with fewer motorised vehicles in the train. I'm also considering swapping the body of the motorised buffet car for either the TGS or a First Class carriage to go right next to the power car. Just thoughts at this stage though!
Nice
The german manufacturer Lemiso got many new models
Thanks
Unbelievable 😮
You could make a Wild West train layout run on the rim of a Stetson hat with this scale. 🤣
lol, yes - I'm not that eccentric, but other people are and have made T gauge hat layouts! E.g. czcams.com/video/PNje4KTLZT4/video.htmlsi=4af-TOY_jGURJpYl
Thoughts on using a Tgauge within a g scale layout? A model railroad WITHIN a model railroad? If my math checks out, i think the Tgauge train would look close to a "g-scale" from the persepctice of the g scale people.
Well that's a great video you need patience of a saint to connect those couplers. How do they have room to put a motor in their I can't believe it just can't believe it you think it will burn out too soon? Coming from Japan pretty much expect quality..Why wouldn't they use magnets instead of couplers?. You work with z
Thanks, yes it's impressive! The motor is low voltage and the train is light, so I certainly hope it's not going to burn out! Yes magnetic couplers would be a lot easier.
Weight would be an issue with them staying on the tracks.
Yes, I guess that's one of the reasons they've put magnetic wheels on the carriages, though it adds drag too, so I've actually got some non-magnetic replacements to see if that makes a difference - I've yet to try fitting those though.
What worries me I share my house with a corgi, dog hair could be a problem with tiny motors. I will stick to n
Yes I think I'd be worried about that too - I imagine it could easily cause havoc!
Use an ikea LACK
Wall shelf, white, 110x26cm floating shelf comes with brackets too £13
Thanks - a couple of those sound like a good option :)
I had to go full screen to see it, lol
Lol, I decided not to try filming super-close-up - the detail is hard to see in-person
Tt gauge is cool to
Personally I don't really want to go any bigger than N gauge, so TT seems fairly big, but I can see its advantages.
T scale is uber cool, as long as you have good eyesight, which I don't, and don't have a shag carpet to loose them in if you drop one.
I don't have brilliant eyesight - this scale is "railway from afar" for me. lol yes they'd be easy to lose among other things!
I'm stunned at the size. Will there be any viable landscape acessories?
There are several things on tgauge.com, but I think overall there's not all that much choice, so scratch building will be the way to go since I don't have a 3D printer, but I've yet to discover if I can make things look any good at this scale!
Where did you find such an enormous pencil!
Lol 😆. That reminds me though, I did have one years ago - if you search "giant pencil" you'll find plenty of options - I guess they're considered a novelty Christmas gift!
Imagine steam in T scale 💀
Unbelievably, it's been done: czcams.com/video/w9kW3e6oI6I/video.html
It's not something I'm going to be attempting any time soon!
2:52 I love the thrill of the chase in this section of footage!
A real only in layout -land moment, is that.
I suppose that it's too much to hope that a red-striped restaurant car exists? Sorry, I'm just being a hyper-realism fascist for the sake of it.
Great video, thanks.
Haha, yes - I'm pleased that doesn't happen on the full-size railway!
I'm not very knowledgeable about realistic train formations - looking at Wikipedia it seems that there were a few variations and changes with buffet/restaurant cars, so I think it depends on exactly what dates and region the model is based on. I'm not sure if it's visible in my video clips, but the buffet car has a red stripe over the buffet/kitchen part (it's clearer in this pic: www.tgauge.com/shopimages/products/extras/TG-1255.JPG). Still, at this scale if someone wanted to put a red stripe along a whole TS then that should be do-able :)
@@endoorrailwayDo whatever with the buffets, there's so many options.
Btw, no stripe = standard, red = catering, yellow = first class
Which are the difference between T and Z gauge?
In terms of scale (which is the only thing I know about Z) the T gauge set I've got is a scale of 1:450, Z is a scale of 1:220
Hi were can I get a train set this size let me no
Hi, I got all my T gauge things in the video from www.tgauge.com/
@@endoorrailway hi right ok then thanks for letting me no
Can they deliver to Canada?
I imagine so - you can set the currency to Canadian Dollars on the website.
No way. That thing is $350 usd on amazon just for the cars.
Amazon can be a terribly expensive place to get things. Brand new on tgauge.com, which is where I got mine from, the 2+7 train is £223 as I write this (270 US Dollars, according to Google) - that's less than the equivalent in N gauge. Model trains are an annoyingly expensive hobby!
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Do you do any z scale?
No - I've considered it a couple of times - the actual scale really appeals to me, but it doesn't have ready-to-run British outline trains that I want, and what I did find was a lot more expensive than N or T.
@@endoorrailway Fair enough. I was a life-long N scale user. In the fall I learned about T scale and was interested in buying, but the options are extremely limited here in Canada. $500 CAD + import to buy from the USA through Tgague. That's sort of when I decided to dabble with Z scale. Hard to find Z scale, but there are a few of the hobby shops that do carry it, and a few vendors at a twice-a-year flea market carry it. I didn't realize until this year that AZL and micro trains have the Canadian coach trains. I'm buying all my track from German sellers but I'm having fun building out my layout in the confined space. Far from finished, but the layout so far is much more reliable then any of my N scale layouts. The fact there are limited manufacturers of track (buying strictly Marklin track) ensures the track connects and works well together. My N scale layouts tend to be frankenstein with whatever track I can put together.
I do plan on watching out for an opportunity to pick up a simple T scale layout.
Wow, I hadn't realised Z was more reliable than N - I just assumed it wouldn't be! I suspect for those who have resin 3D printers there's a lot of scope for custom stock in Z and T - there certainly look to be quite a few components available in T from which to do custom stuff, but that's way beyond my skills at the moment! Plus I don't have a 3D printer. I hope an opportunity comes your way then - it certainly seems to be the best option for something in a tight space that isn't a shunting diorama.
Wow - smaller than z?
Yep, half the scale, a quarter of the area, an eighth of the volume!
This is cool, but pricey!
Yes, I think for me that sums up model railways in general!
@@endoorrailway When I was young me and my brother had some Hornby sets. We used to love it. Anyway, we got a lot of track eventually and my dad decided he would make some large boards so we could lay the track and maybe make scenery etc.
I remember we came home from school once and my Dad was excited to show us something. So we went up to the loft and he had nailed all of the track down in some loop or whatever it was.
Bless him, IDK what he was thinking, he had good intentions, but we were devastated. All of the track was ruined, you could not get the nails out without breaking it, and we couldn't change the track again. lol
Ah, yes the thought sounds nice, but if you like re-arranging the layout from time-to-time then nails aren't the way to go!
@@endoorrailway yep. Your video caught my attention though, I migth get the cheaper one of these at some point.
I also had some guy who lived three doors down from me when i was young. He was a scout leader, and he had a railway that went round his whole garden. IDK what the scale was but if you were small enough you could ride on it. It was so cool haha
So, not really suitable for a garden layout then?
Well maybe temporarily on a dry day with no garden debris blowing onto it... but as soon as a slug's gone over it or a cat sat on it I think it'd be finished!
@@endoorrailway - ‘Intercity 125 delayed by slug on the line’ 🐌
lol, yes!
How dollar is It？
The things I showed in this video are £319 at the moment from tgauge.com
I'd happily bet there is no driver in the cabs. Most so called "modellers", don't bother, or paint train windows black, what a bunch of cheats. (retired BR train driver).
There isn't any glazing on these power cars. Figures in trains - drivers and passengers - is a nice touch, but for me definitely non-essential in N and T gauge scales. My own experience of watching trains from any further away than lineside is that I can't really see into them in daytime because the windows just reflect what's outside, so an N or T model without them still looks good to me.
Road87 has videos on making passenger carts with seating, tables and figures inside, and other creators have put lights in carts too!
I personally would love to get this amount of detail in my current tgauge layout as well, some day in the future I'm so I'll get around to it.
A lot of these sets come with transparent windows which slightly makes it more appealing, but all you will see is either weight, motor or black frame.
@frnktw9 👉 Darn Tootin' Mister ! 🚫 No little Drivers . This is about TRAINS , not little doll house villages .
Well, won't take up too much room in the wheelie bin; when eventually it proves to be intolerrably annoying.
I don't understand the point of this. I sold off all my N-Scale stuff years ago, and if I ever get back into the hobby, I'm going to seriously consider going 2-rail O. Ultimately, the smaller you go, the less satisfying and detailed scenery can be. Maybe some people find that satisfying, but I think it could be argued that there is a point of diminishing returns where the hobby just becomes silly. I mean, the flanges on those freaking cars were the same as the radii on the wheels.
I don't think this is ever going to become a very popular scale - most people want to be able to get more detail and scale accuracy than T gauge allows. But the _point_ in a hobby is entertainment, and satisfaction is entirely personal - I'm really looking forward to having HSTs going through a scale kilometre of scenery/track - the effect standing about a metre away from it is like being in a helicopter over the real railway - it's modelling a different aspect than up-close detail.
Reducing the size should also reduce the costs but.....
STILL TOO HIGH
It should indeed, but a reduced market size increases costs. It seems to have balanced out better than Z gauge 🙂
Would hate to think how much it costs
This hobby is annoyingly expensive in general, but I was pleased to find that T gauge seems to be less expensive than N gauge. I'd looked at Z in the past and found it far too expensive, but the starter set in this video (2 motorised power cars, 2 coaches, loop of track, controller, and some wheel cleaners and two reversing sensors that I didn't show) was £14 more than an N gauge HST 4-car set (one motorised power car, 2 coaches and a dummy power car). The 5 extra cars comes to £22 less 5 N gauge mk3 carriages... so it costs less than N, but still costs a lot!