Fun fact: Elias Toufexis, the actor who plays Kenzo (the spy), originally auditioned for the role of Amos. He naturally was disappointed when he didn’t get it but did acknowledge that Wes Chatham’s performance as Amos was great.
Airlock controls control the airlock and its systems. Doors, pumps, intercom, etc., and nothing else. Notice that it has far fewer acrylic wafers than the control bus where they changed the Roci's transponder codes (and that bus was just for the ship's registry and transponder).
It does have high voltage connections though. If you are quick enough you can see that Kenzo finds a high voltage multi-connector and connects it to the door controls, presumably to try to electrocute Amos when he comes back to let him out. When he sees that Amos is coming to get him to help, he quickly disconnects it again. He scrolls through a few info screens quickly, you can read them if you pause, or watch on a loop.
@@MattNolanCustom, which underpinned Kenzo's plan to electrocute Amos at his controls, hence the quick breakdown of his rig when Amos told him he was needed.
28:05 Holden is sorry that Martians died saving him, he’s still grieving Ade, he’s just trying to stop the bloodshed the only way he knows how. This is honestly the moment I came to love both of these characters, Holden for risking everything to do what he thinks is right, and Amos for not even blinking
Just now catching up on your last 2 reactions that I missed. I just wanted to say THANK YOU for being so kind & patient with The Expanse Community! We are a passionate group, but we LOVE having new fans join us who share that passion. There are many Expanse reactors, but only a few actually acknowledge us. You & Warp Reactor being the top two who try to accommodate and understand us & our passionate opinions. I can already tell that by mid Season 2 you will be a Screaming Firehawk just like us! Well done! Keep up the great videos!!
You are woefully ignorant in the statement that other reactors haven't acknowledged us. The Review Crew and Ramblers Inc were both very interactive, and responded to *every* post I made
Thanks Callisto for the kind words of encouragement! Why wouldn't I acknowledge you all? It was one of the best decisions I ever made to start off my channel with The Expanse and you all have been so welcoming and joyful! I'll have to give Warp Reactor a like and a subscribe!
@@ZakhadWOW Sorry, I didn't realize. Those are 2 channels I haven't seen. I'm so glad there are more out there! Thank you for dropping their names. I'll check them out!
Drawing from the show's roots as a tabletop RPG, I have heard several folks frame Holden as a Paladin-like character. It seems that he has these high standards for himself, and he tries to live up to them, with consequences being a secondary concern. That was also what I took away from his little talk with Amos. The Expanse does complex characters very well.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 In classic RPG games like D&D, a Paladin is a character who lives by a strict moral code. Generally something called 'Lawful Good' that dictates that you mist help others wherever possible, and uphold law and order in an often chaotic Universe. As you can imagine, this leads to moral conflicts, but the Paladin is expected to err on the side of moral right, no matter what. Which leads to issues like we saw between Holden and Amos. Of course sometimes a Paladin will (maybe even for a good reason) forsake the moral code, but there can be a price to pay for such lapses. Now, that's the RPG, Holden is a person with a strong moral code, maybe his struggle will be different...
@irishlatinoreacts1842 Two characters in this episode represent very different ethical schools of thought. Holden very much epitomizes "deontology," which states that actions taken, *in and of themselves* qualify as moral or immoral. However, Chrisjen Avasarala is very much a "Consequentialist" and believes the morality of an action is determined by its outcome. So, Holden was raised to believe that "right" and "wrong" exist as objective standards. He won't let Amos kill a couple of Martian customs inspectors just doing their jobs, especially after a bunch of other Martians sacrificed themselves to save him and the rest of the Canterbury survivors. To Holden, such an act is morally grotesque, and therefore ethically inexcusable. However, Christen subjected someone to *hours of torture* because she perceived that person and his colleagues posed a threat to the lives and health of the *30 billion people* who live on Earth and the Moon. What is the value of the rights and liberties of one likely OPA terrorist as compared to the well-being of 30 billion people? Holden tries very hard to be a good and honorable man who treats others with respect, dignity and justice. Avasarala is, in many ways, a terrible person who does terrible things to people -- but for the *best possible* reasons.
I'm thinking that the control panel that the spy accessed in the airlock was only for local systems, not the entire ship control, even though they look similar. It seemed as though he was going to do something with the doors, like an electrical short-circuit when Amos operated it. Also: yeah, James is currently frustrating, but one thing this show is really good at is character development. For everyone.
If you pause quickly enough, you can read the info screens that Kenzo scrolls through inside the door control panel and figure out what he was likely trying to do.
Holden wants to take the martians captive, not kill on sight, like amos wanted to. Holden is not saying he would be okay with being a prisoner, he just doesn't want to kill people, if they can capture them and kill the communication. Amos on the other hand is comfortable with it, because if they mess up and martians contact a big ship like donnager then it will be over for roci's crew. Holden is willing to take that risk (because donnager martians saved them) and amos isn't. This episode builds these characters outlooks on this, throughout the episode with avasarala's convo with holden's mom and amos' convo with kenzo. It shows how different their backgrounds are. How noble holden is/trying to be and how amos sees it as kill or be killed.
Very good points made. I guess I just agree with Amos in that the risk of the Martians out smarting them even as prisoners and contacting another ship is too great. I haven't met a dumb Martian yet.
It is hinted in casual conversation that the OPA is made up of different factions. But like with so much in this show it's layered and some times it take two or more viewings to catch all the nuances. Also, the control system panel in the air lock was different to the one that Naomi used earlier and have different functions.
Well it is clear I am not the most savvy of audience members. Thank God I have all of you! And yes, definitely got that the control system panel in the air lock was different then what Naomi used earlier. I guess it was short sited of them to put such a smart guy in a place where he had access to something like that. Is there no holding cell on this ship?
In re: “Between the hulls” there are two hulls. The external one is hard armor that will deflect incoming projectiles, but it has the serious problem that when damaged it will spall, creating dangerous shrapnel. The inner hull contains pressure but it also takes the hits from the shrapnel of the damaged outer armor without spalling itself. Some shots will just go straight through but they go through alone, not as a cloud of lethal fragments.
One of the (many) things I really love about this show are the brief characters, folks we see for an episode or two. I don't know how they manage it, but most of them are AMAZING performances, kudos to the casting director and all those actors. A LOT of people were very sad to see Lopez (Greg Bryk) go, he was really cool. The other thing that's funny about a series like this is that over the span of the show, there are characters you haven't even met yet that you will love, and some you will mourn... man.
"you lose consciousness in 10-15 seconds" incorrect. You can remain awake for a lot longer if you hyperventilate, super saturating your blood with oxygen, a technique that free divers use for long underwater dives with no scuba tank.
I’ve heard lots of plausible explanations about how this is possible. I still would be very reluctant to try it. Of course, I don’t see myself being in space anytime soon! Still, it’s a great addition to the show; I think the purpose of it is just that - to make viewers question if it’s possible (and to show how tough belters can be in space).
I love the little details of this show. You might notice that miller's hand terminal is cracked. Miller is totally the type that would have a phone with a cracked screen lol
Not just that but it shows too the difference in economics between the belt and inners and the kind of things available to them. I could be wrong and mix up scenes from later seasons but I believe that the one used by Avasarala, and other inners, has a finger grip, or something of the kind, to provide greater comfort when using.
The "righteous spiel" from Holden provides another clue to how he was influenced as a child by the "knight" in the book Chrisjen saw at Holden's home. Don Quixote. Holden grew up believing Don Quixote's story was heroic, but it's actually a tragedy, as is Jim's in this first season of The Expanse. There are references to Don Quixote sprinkled throughout the series to help us understand Jim's character and his growth as the story progresses - in this episode the book itself and the windmills, the name of the first episode and the "Knight" and naming their ship "Rocinante" after Don Quixote's horse.
Holden isn't really down with straight up murder for any reason other than immediate, lifesaving self defense. If there's any other possibility (in this case taking hostages instead of murder), he would rather run the extra risk to himself and the crew than to kill people he views as innocents (just doing their jobs). He feels very strongly about the circumstances under which it is acceptable to kill. The Martians aren't going to come in shooting, it's an inspection party, so he's not cool with shooting at them first.
Miller is like the old cop who has grown up in New York City, or London, who has never traveled outside of that metroplex because they have never had to.
Holding the breath in was a mistake on the show runners part. Trying to hold air in your lungs when going to vaccume would be very bad to try. But there have been real life accidents with humans involcing full body exposure to vaccum, and as long as it was under 30 seconds to a minuite there are not many problems. Longer then that stuff starts getting bad very quickly.
also: agree that the audience hasn't been taught about the factional nature of the OPA. Audiences have been trained to take things at face value. "This name means this group, and they all think and do X!". But some in the audience might begin to observe that The Expanse is much more nuanced than other shows. Older members of the audience might remember the Irish Republican Army, Sinn Fein, and other confusing factions which surfaced during that conflict.
I never perceived it as him taking a breath and holding it, I always had the impression that he deliberately exhaled before he opened his helmet. But I already understood the physics of it, so maybe I just saw what I expected. It is similar to trying to hold your breath as you come up from depth underwater: bad idea.
"training session to weed out the cowboys" -- I took that to mean a test to see if any of the younger Martian ship crews would be hot heads and board ships they come across, and forget to follow this procedure meant to keep black ops ships undiscovered.
one of the reasons that Holden is so frustrating is that he is totally in over his head. The things that are being thrown at him are totally outside of his experience, and everything is turned up to eleven.
do whatever you want with your intros and recaps. I've been watching them in their entirety, and I don't often do that with reaction videos. The longer ones are fine with me; if you have something to say, go ahead. If not, that's OK too.
Good points about real world analogs. It's one of the things I find emotionally compelling about this show; a lot of the pain and suffering and politics in the series is SO reflective of current and past events. Issues of oppressed workers, refugees, factions, and so on? Ooof.
I totally agree. How can a show that is supposedly depicting a world that derived from our world not be reflective of current and past events? The technology advances but the human issues seem to repeat themselves, don't they?
Have people not dressed as Martians from The Expanse at Comic-con yet? I imagine they have but I also imagine the suit was home made. Thanks for the comment! Really glad that I am enjoying it as well!
The show is complex and (I think to its credit) never bothers to explain anything. There are things that only make sense a couple episodes _after_ they show up. And people get really excited to share... Don't take it personally. But consider getting someone to curate the comments for you. Show's more fun when it's kinda bewildering. The Rockhoppers were going to tow that asteroid somewhere to sell it. The Martians make a point when enforcing the regulations on them that they are being extra pushy to get revenge for the attack on the Scipio. It's not the regulations, it's the d-bags enforcing them... When Kenzo is talking about "cowboys," he means Martians who are getting overly aggressive enforcing the regs. (Ironically.) You do you on the speed of reactions. Hope you're enjoying the show.
A "bill of lading" is supposed to list all of the cargo being transported by a vessel. It allows those enforcing regulations to know what you admit to carrying so they can discover if you are smuggling or not.
I'd say from a new viewer's perspective: We know Miller's evidence has been stolen, he's been fired. He accuses Captain Shaddid of being bought by Dawes, and we seen an OPA tattoo on one of the security team she calls, suggesting this might be correct. Miller was hired to find Julie Mao by her parents, through Star Helix. He was not hired to find out whatever's going on with Pheobe and the Scopuli - he's lucked into it, and Shaddid doesn't want him looking any further, possibly on Dawes' instruction as he's not gone after Filat Kothari, meaning he's not taken Dawes' bribe. We've heard mention of OPA "factions" but I think it's reasonable to assume a viewer without a comments section doesn't know anything about the political structure of the OPA. I completely agree with your thinking about the "grey" political area of regulation in the Belt. I'd be a lot happier if that regulation also came with protection - in this case we see a couple of Martian troopers who are clearly just looking for someone to push around bullying people with no power and no rights. Everyone wants the wealth of the belt and the labour of the Belters, but nobody's willing to grant them the rights of a citizen. The "equipment" in the airlock was presumably the controls for the airlock, locked out by by Amos. My guess is that Kenzo was going to use the workings to somehow overload the Amos' panel and electrocute Amos. "Weed out the cowboys" - I don't think they're talking about Earthers, but more the Martian troops who are cowboys in the slang sense - slapdash, uncareful, or careless of rules and procedures, like a cowboy builder. Maybe you're right though! Maybe Kenzo means Earther spies? Holden's always been righteous - remember the distress call? He couldn't help but do the right thing, no matter the cost. Holden's rather virtuous and feels this trumps practicality. Amos is clearly brutally pragmatic, and doesn't feel strongly either way about killing people. Amos' traits are very useful in some circumstances, like this one, but how safe would you feel sleeping on the same ship as him? I'm glad you picked up the symbolism around Miller's hat! Certainly I think he's finding it rather harder to pretend he's not just another Belter, bought and sold. One detail I picked up from the podcast - the reason Miller is cashing in poker chips is that in a world of digital currency, how do you bribe someone? Specific casino chips. They can be cashed in at the casino, and anyone could have a legitimate reason to carry them. We saw Miller taking a bribe in casino chips in episode one, from the slum landlord who didn't check his air filters. "A lifetime of losing." Miller's life has been turned upside down. Is this a mid-life crisis, a last hurrah, a huge gamble or what? Please don't apologise for your content! I love your conversational style.
Agreed on Kenzo's hastily abandoned plan in the airlock. If you freeze-frame to see what diagnostic / service information he's looking at as he scrolls by you will see. And, yes, Casino chips - the key is that they are last remaining untraceable currency in a cashless world.
Thanks for all of the insight! I want the Cowboys things to be about Earther's so badly. As a football fan who hates the Cowboys, I just think that would be apt and funny. Very interesting about the poker chips. One has to wonder why this is the one thing that never went digital. And thanks for the compliment! I guess my style is conversational! Didn't think of it that way before but glad you made me see it in a new light!
Awesome! You have instantly become one of my favorite Expanse reactors because unlike 99% of the world, you did not instantly hate on Baby Amos. Kenzo. For some reason the moment he appears on the ship everyone wants him thrown out an airlock, trusting nothing he says. I got the opposite reaction. People want him dead, but I will always remember him as the reason for 'Donkey Balls'. But for his suggestion they would never have searched for the black ops codes. True, one could say his transmission back to the U.N.drew the Martians attention... but that may have happened regardless given the state of alert the Martians were in at the time. All hail Baby Amos!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kenzo is the man! I call him baby Amos because the actor who plays Kenzo, Elias Toufexis almost landed the role of Amos. It was down to him or Wes Chatham. They chose Wes. In an alternate universe somewhere Toufexis is crouching to take a head shot. A French CZcams reactor Laura was a big fan. He made an video appearance on one of her reactions and told the story of how he almost got the part. I won't tell it all. Somewhere in the future when you're comfortable looking for background information about the Expanse, look for him on her channel. He's a really cool guy. And very gracious and understanding that they chose Wes Chatham over him. You probably don't have the time, but if you did I recommend going over to Laura's CZcams channel, Laura Reactions and watching her reaction to episodes you've already seen. Maybe episode 4 if you can stomach it. She's really funny. And very sweet with her broken English accent. czcams.com/video/6tcEN9rfAUg/video.html Onward to Episode 8! The episode that made me fall in love with The Expanse.
Thank you so very much for the compliment! And ok I was confused at first about the baby Amos part hahaha! Yes he (along with my current favorite character Alex) gave us donkey balls! Interesting about how he almost got the part of Amos. Obviously one cannot picture Amos being played by anyone except Wes now, but I could see Elias doing a great job. And yea I'll totally give Laura's CZcams channel a watch. And yes I WILL do episode 4 so I can lose my mind all over again! I am clicking on the link now to have it open for a bit later today!
The Belters are very much the Palestinians. As for being exposed to vacuum he should have exhaled. Temperature wouldnt be a big problem because radiation would be the only form of heat transfer.
Holden is your classic paladin. He wants to save everyone he possibly can. That is the core of his character. That's what got him kicked out of the UN navy, that's what made him log the distress call on the Cant, and that's why he was willing to shoot Amos to save two random Martian navy guys so that Amos wouldn't kill them. For better or for worse, that is always what drives Holden. However, like all characters on this show, he will grow and change. You'll just have to keep watching to see how that plays out!
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"The audience is supposed to be confused". Well ya. Season 1 is a murder mystery. Who killed the cant, and why. "lading" is a list of a ship's cargo. Holden was right. They can't outfight the Martians. Killing some of them would just make it worse.
Well sure, it would make it worse, but him going to jail would just be the end of him, so I see it as the lesser of two evils at this juncture. Thanks for the comment!
I don't understand people in the comments disliking Holden for NOT killing people when there might be a way to avoid it. What is wrong with having a moral compass and trying to behave ethical? Also always shockes me when people reacting to shows tell a character to "just kill" somebody...
You can do what uncle Mateo did, without exploding or your eyes popping out (like often depicted in bad scifi). However, they did it wrong in this scene. You have to _exhale completely_, or your lungs will rupture. Mateo inhaled and hold his breath, it would not work this way. The temperature is actually the least problem. Space doesn't have a temperature. There is (almost) nothing in it to have one. Many don't understand what temperture really is. If you go outside, you feel the temperature of the air, or the heat of the sunbeams hitting you. If you go to the arctic and take off your clothes, you will freeze relatively quickly because the air surrounding you acts as the medium taking away your body heat (convection). But in space there is no air. Vacuum is a very good insulator. In space, you can only radiate away your body heat, and that takes a very long time. And if you're facing the Sun, you will actually heat up (on that side only). There is only 3 ways to lose heat: Conduction, convection, and radiation. The first 2 are almost inexistent in space. What is meant when it is said that the temperature of space is ~2.7K (or almost zero) is the cosmic microwave background radiation. Earth is split into regional and local interest, trade, and administrative zones. Some may still represent former country bounderies, but we don't know much about this.
Fun fact: Astronauts wear a body temperature regulating garment with tubes with liquid in it under their space suits. That system is ment to cool the body, not to heat it. It's called "Liquid cooling and ventilation garment".
Space doesnt really have a temperature, it's a vacuum. Its a Dewer Wall with no wall, like a thermos. Space is not a perfect vacuum though, there are stray molecules floating about, but there are very few of them compared to a pressurized atmosphere. The molecules might be hot or cold but there are so few of them that heat transfer is limited. I hope you're taking notes, there will be a quiz after... 😛
To be honest I just did a quick google search of the temperature of space and it said 2.7 kelvin or something like that. Basically just above absolute zero. But I agree with what you are saying. Definitely is not a pure vacuum by any means.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 the weird thing about space is that it's actually difficult to get rid of heat. The heaviest component of the International Space Station is the thermal radiators 😯 A human body though, it ends up freezing in space for an unexpected reason. As pressure drops, the boiling point of water drops, to room temperature or lower (if you've ever seen high altitude cooking instructions, THAT'S why). As soon as you are exposed to vacuum, all the water in your body begins to boil because of your body heat. The water turns to vapor as it boils off, taking heat away with it, lowering your body temperature until you freeze (though you die from lack of oxygen way before that). Often in sci-fi, dead bodies in space are referred to as a "corpsicles" 😯
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 the temperature is only 2.7 kelvin because the few molecules that exist oscillate very slowly and are practically still (temperature = measure of how quickly the molecules oscillate), BUT THEY ARE ALWAYS FEW in empty space. For this reason you do not die from freezing, you have no way of exchanging heat with the outside (the heat exchange between you and the external environment occurs through collisions between your molecules and the external ones, but if there are none outside , the heat exchange mechanism cannot occur)
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 death by freezing occurs in empty space after a long time and not after a few seconds. A sci-fi classic but it's physically wrong
someone probably has already said this in a comment before, but to understand Holden you basically have to consider the idea of a paladin in an rpg. From what we heard from his mother Elise, you sort of have to think about how he was raised by a group of people who were sort of philosophically and politically extreme about a 'noble' cause. He's bucked that a little trying to be a vagabond hanging around in the belt and avoiding responsibility on the Cant. He's not the sort of person anyone you'd really ever typically come across usually. If you saw Dungeons and Dragons and Dragons: Honor among thieves there's a fairly extreme example in the character of Xenk the paladin. Anyway, Holden is a challenge as a character. He'll do things that are extreme if they serve "the cause" however he interprets that at the time.
Ahh hmmm, so Paladin was mentioned in an earlier comment. I confess I have never played D&D though the concept of it interest me greatly. I do enjoy the back story of the values that his family and upbringing taught him, and how his time in the UN Navy seem to go against that. So I bet now he is in a state of inner turmoil. Love my grey characters and I assume it isn't the last time that Holden will frustrate me. Overall though, I still love the guy.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 There is a nearly infinite amount of contracts involving the sale of goods that occur on a daily basis all over the world. People not involved with the process will have never heard the term "lading". It is more commonly included in the phrase "bill of lading". When goods are shipped, the recipient did not pack them and really has no idea what might be inside the container, crate, etc. they receive. Nor does the seller have any idea if the shipper, or The Mob, or an individual crook, might have intercepted the shipment and lightened the load with their sticky fingers to some degree. The bill of lading is a paper record of what was shipped. The recipient will compare the contents of the shipment with the bill of lading to make sure it received everything that was supposedly shipped. If not, then there are procedures set forth in the Uniform Commercial Code to legally handle any discrepencies. I don't recall them. It was back in about 1973 that I took law school classes on the UCC, and I've never practiced in that area. I think, basically, the recipient has a limited time to register a complaint about being shorted or shipped the wrong items, and the seller then has precise ways to either correct the error or deny anything to do with the shortage/mistake. Bonds and insurance can be involved, and a shipment might pass through several different carriers and warehouses before arriving at its intended destination. A copy of the bill of lading travels along with the shipment.
We know it's a single government. What we are saying is that a big chunk of north America is like a single state under that government instead of being divided into 50 states (the states probably exist now as something similar to counties).
Definitely do not hate him at all. Just that one scene rubbed me the wrong way is all. Getting some of his background of his upbringing on Montana actually entered me to him more, though I did not express that well in this particular reaction.
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Holden makes a lot of bad decisions. I don't think this was one of them tho'.
Human skin is actually an excellent grade of leather and capable of withstanding the vacuum of space, though you will wind up with an all-over bruise due to burst capillaries (which happens due to nitrogen boiling out of blood). The "temperature" is another thing because that same vacuum does not allow for the gain or loss of heat except through radiation. The hard limit is reached by the amount of oxygen that is dissolved in the blood since once that is expended, the person will pass out. Living and working in a low-oxygen environment (as we learn from the workers at Anderson Station) gives Belters an advantage there. The scene with Mateo is an example of showing rather than telling that space does not function the way our old myths lead us to believe it does.
@@huro1845, it is a matter of perspective. From Amos' perspective, his actions were neither right nor wrong, and he accepted that Holden might kill him with equanimity.
The headscratcher for me is that Alex has been out of the MCRN for several years and in all that time they haven't changed their black ops codewords. Works for the plot but very unbelievable.
What makes you think martians didn’t change the codewords? The episode spends several minutes showing the crew trying to get the codes from the ship’s op locker because they didn’t know the codes.
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"donkey balls" could be an informal marker, or nothing. they didn't tell us.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 I think that was an attempted joke about militaristic superpowers. You will learn more about Mars as the show goes forwards, and a little more about Earth too.
You complain about Holden being righteous and side with Amos. So you are ok with murdering innocent people just doing their job? Do you just shot police if they stop you going to work?
I guess I side with Amos in the aspect of taking the Martian's prisoner on board seems far too risky. I think they'd definitely be able to out-smart our crew in someway and get a message off to a larger MCRN ship. So I did feel like in this instance, killing them was the only way (obviously besides the way it played out with the codes). And also please remember that this is just a show and isn't real. I definitely do not condone killing innocents in real life. Thanks for the comment!
Why isn't your "Irish on the top" hair green". There's nothing in space to take the heat away from your body, so, you don't freeze instantaneously. Anderson Dawes said "Don't get hung up on good or bad, it'll only confuse you". That'll help you with EVERY character this show gives you. Yam seng, Beltalowda.
Well I say "Irish on the bottom" actually. My beard does have a reddish tint to it from my father. I am not saying it is super red because it is offset by my Salvadoran mother who has black hair, thus giving me dark brown on top.
Fun fact: Elias Toufexis, the actor who plays Kenzo (the spy), originally auditioned for the role of Amos. He naturally was disappointed when he didn’t get it but did acknowledge that Wes Chatham’s performance as Amos was great.
Airlock controls control the airlock and its systems. Doors, pumps, intercom, etc., and nothing else. Notice that it has far fewer acrylic wafers than the control bus where they changed the Roci's transponder codes (and that bus was just for the ship's registry and transponder).
It does have high voltage connections though. If you are quick enough you can see that Kenzo finds a high voltage multi-connector and connects it to the door controls, presumably to try to electrocute Amos when he comes back to let him out. When he sees that Amos is coming to get him to help, he quickly disconnects it again. He scrolls through a few info screens quickly, you can read them if you pause, or watch on a loop.
@@MattNolanCustom, which underpinned Kenzo's plan to electrocute Amos at his controls, hence the quick breakdown of his rig when Amos told him he was needed.
28:05 Holden is sorry that Martians died saving him, he’s still grieving Ade, he’s just trying to stop the bloodshed the only way he knows how. This is honestly the moment I came to love both of these characters, Holden for risking everything to do what he thinks is right, and Amos for not even blinking
Just now catching up on your last 2 reactions that I missed. I just wanted to say THANK YOU for being so kind & patient with The Expanse Community! We are a passionate group, but we LOVE having new fans join us who share that passion.
There are many Expanse reactors, but only a few actually acknowledge us. You & Warp Reactor being the top two who try to accommodate and understand us & our passionate opinions.
I can already tell that by mid Season 2 you will be a Screaming Firehawk just like us! Well done! Keep up the great videos!!
You are woefully ignorant in the statement that other reactors haven't acknowledged us. The Review Crew and Ramblers Inc were both very interactive, and responded to *every* post I made
Thanks Callisto for the kind words of encouragement! Why wouldn't I acknowledge you all? It was one of the best decisions I ever made to start off my channel with The Expanse and you all have been so welcoming and joyful! I'll have to give Warp Reactor a like and a subscribe!
@@ZakhadWOW Sorry, I didn't realize. Those are 2 channels I haven't seen. I'm so glad there are more out there! Thank you for dropping their names. I'll check them out!
Drawing from the show's roots as a tabletop RPG, I have heard several folks frame Holden as a Paladin-like character. It seems that he has these high standards for himself, and he tries to live up to them, with consequences being a secondary concern. That was also what I took away from his little talk with Amos.
The Expanse does complex characters very well.
Could you explain to me the Paladin reference? I looked it up quickly but I'd rather get a full explanation from you.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 In classic RPG games like D&D, a Paladin is a character who lives by a strict moral code. Generally something called 'Lawful Good' that dictates that you mist help others wherever possible, and uphold law and order in an often chaotic Universe.
As you can imagine, this leads to moral conflicts, but the Paladin is expected to err on the side of moral right, no matter what.
Which leads to issues like we saw between Holden and Amos. Of course sometimes a Paladin will (maybe even for a good reason) forsake the moral code, but there can be a price to pay for such lapses.
Now, that's the RPG, Holden is a person with a strong moral code, maybe his struggle will be different...
@irishlatinoreacts1842 Two characters in this episode represent very different ethical schools of thought.
Holden very much epitomizes "deontology," which states that actions taken, *in and of themselves* qualify as moral or immoral.
However, Chrisjen Avasarala is very much a "Consequentialist" and believes the morality of an action is determined by its outcome.
So, Holden was raised to believe that "right" and "wrong" exist as objective standards. He won't let Amos kill a couple of Martian customs inspectors just doing their jobs, especially after a bunch of other Martians sacrificed themselves to save him and the rest of the Canterbury survivors.
To Holden, such an act is morally grotesque, and therefore ethically inexcusable.
However, Christen subjected someone to *hours of torture* because she perceived that person and his colleagues posed a threat to the lives and health of the *30 billion people* who live on Earth and the Moon.
What is the value of the rights and liberties of one likely OPA terrorist as compared to the well-being of 30 billion people?
Holden tries very hard to be a good and honorable man who treats others with respect, dignity and justice.
Avasarala is, in many ways, a terrible person who does terrible things to people -- but for the *best possible* reasons.
I'm thinking that the control panel that the spy accessed in the airlock was only for local systems, not the entire ship control, even though they look similar. It seemed as though he was going to do something with the doors, like an electrical short-circuit when Amos operated it.
Also: yeah, James is currently frustrating, but one thing this show is really good at is character development. For everyone.
If you pause quickly enough, you can read the info screens that Kenzo scrolls through inside the door control panel and figure out what he was likely trying to do.
Holden wants to take the martians captive, not kill on sight, like amos wanted to. Holden is not saying he would be okay with being a prisoner, he just doesn't want to kill people, if they can capture them and kill the communication. Amos on the other hand is comfortable with it, because if they mess up and martians contact a big ship like donnager then it will be over for roci's crew. Holden is willing to take that risk (because donnager martians saved them) and amos isn't. This episode builds these characters outlooks on this, throughout the episode with avasarala's convo with holden's mom and amos' convo with kenzo. It shows how different their backgrounds are. How noble holden is/trying to be and how amos sees it as kill or be killed.
Very good points made. I guess I just agree with Amos in that the risk of the Martians out smarting them even as prisoners and contacting another ship is too great. I haven't met a dumb Martian yet.
As another reactor aptly said: Holden is an idealist, a paladin. Annoying at times, but ultimately the kind of person everyone needs.
It is hinted in casual conversation that the OPA is made up of different factions. But like with so much in this show it's layered and some times it take two or more viewings to catch all the nuances. Also, the control system panel in the air lock was different to the one that Naomi used earlier and have different functions.
Well it is clear I am not the most savvy of audience members. Thank God I have all of you! And yes, definitely got that the control system panel in the air lock was different then what Naomi used earlier. I guess it was short sited of them to put such a smart guy in a place where he had access to something like that. Is there no holding cell on this ship?
In re: “Between the hulls” there are two hulls.
The external one is hard armor that will deflect incoming projectiles, but it has the serious problem that when damaged it will spall, creating dangerous shrapnel.
The inner hull contains pressure but it also takes the hits from the shrapnel of the damaged outer armor without spalling itself.
Some shots will just go straight through but they go through alone, not as a cloud of lethal fragments.
Thanks for the insight!
One of the (many) things I really love about this show are the brief characters, folks we see for an episode or two.
I don't know how they manage it, but most of them are AMAZING performances, kudos to the casting director and all those actors.
A LOT of people were very sad to see Lopez (Greg Bryk) go, he was really cool.
The other thing that's funny about a series like this is that over the span of the show, there are characters you haven't even met yet that you will love, and some you will mourn... man.
Your body can survive 90 seconds to 2 minutes in the vacuum of space, however you will lose consciousness within 10 to 15 seconds.
"you lose consciousness in 10-15 seconds"
incorrect. You can remain awake for a lot longer if you hyperventilate, super saturating your blood with oxygen, a technique that free divers use for long underwater dives with no scuba tank.
@@rodentnolastname6612 lack of oxygen isn't the issue, 99% of people can hold their breath that long easily
I’ve heard lots of plausible explanations about how this is possible. I still would be very reluctant to try it. Of course, I don’t see myself being in space anytime soon! Still, it’s a great addition to the show; I think the purpose of it is just that - to make viewers question if it’s possible (and to show how tough belters can be in space).
A Bill of Lading is basically an inventory, description, and destination of cargo.
Also shows the point of origin and delivery.
I love the little details of this show. You might notice that miller's hand terminal is cracked. Miller is totally the type that would have a phone with a cracked screen lol
Not just that but it shows too the difference in economics between the belt and inners and the kind of things available to them.
I could be wrong and mix up scenes from later seasons but I believe that the one used by Avasarala, and other inners, has a finger grip, or something of the kind, to provide greater comfort when using.
Oh I did notice that actually and thought the same thing! Haha HE WOULD! Just wasn't able to verbalize it in the moment.
The "righteous spiel" from Holden provides another clue to how he was influenced as a child by the "knight" in the book Chrisjen saw at Holden's home. Don Quixote.
Holden grew up believing Don Quixote's story was heroic, but it's actually a tragedy, as is Jim's in this first season of The Expanse.
There are references to Don Quixote sprinkled throughout the series to help us understand Jim's character and his growth as the story progresses - in this episode the book itself and the windmills, the name of the first episode and the "Knight" and naming their ship "Rocinante" after Don Quixote's horse.
Quite right! The flip-side of that is that Miller is also on a quest to save the honour of his particular semi-imagined Dulcinea.
God the Don Quixote's references run DEEEEEEEEP!
Holden isn't really down with straight up murder for any reason other than immediate, lifesaving self defense. If there's any other possibility (in this case taking hostages instead of murder), he would rather run the extra risk to himself and the crew than to kill people he views as innocents (just doing their jobs). He feels very strongly about the circumstances under which it is acceptable to kill. The Martians aren't going to come in shooting, it's an inspection party, so he's not cool with shooting at them first.
Miller is like the old cop who has grown up in New York City, or London, who has never traveled outside of that metroplex because they have never had to.
One-third G is "standard gravity" for Martians and the highest that most Belters are comfortable with.
Great reaction!
Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks for the compliment my dude!
Miller's "chute" is that part of his body from which he evacuates solid waste. A slang usage.
Aka Poop chute. In other words, watch your ass.
Holding the breath in was a mistake on the show runners part. Trying to hold air in your lungs when going to vaccume would be very bad to try. But there have been real life accidents with humans involcing full body exposure to vaccum, and as long as it was under 30 seconds to a minuite there are not many problems. Longer then that stuff starts getting bad very quickly.
"The audience is supposed to be confused." --- Strong AGREE!
also: agree that the audience hasn't been taught about the factional nature of the OPA. Audiences have been trained to take things at face value. "This name means this group, and they all think and do X!". But some in the audience might begin to observe that The Expanse is much more nuanced than other shows. Older members of the audience might remember the Irish Republican Army, Sinn Fein, and other confusing factions which surfaced during that conflict.
I never perceived it as him taking a breath and holding it, I always had the impression that he deliberately exhaled before he opened his helmet. But I already understood the physics of it, so maybe I just saw what I expected.
It is similar to trying to hold your breath as you come up from depth underwater: bad idea.
"training session to weed out the cowboys" -- I took that to mean a test to see if any of the younger Martian ship crews would be hot heads and board ships they come across, and forget to follow this procedure meant to keep black ops ships undiscovered.
one of the reasons that Holden is so frustrating is that he is totally in over his head. The things that are being thrown at him are totally outside of his experience, and everything is turned up to eleven.
do whatever you want with your intros and recaps. I've been watching them in their entirety, and I don't often do that with reaction videos. The longer ones are fine with me; if you have something to say, go ahead. If not, that's OK too.
Good points about real world analogs. It's one of the things I find emotionally compelling about this show; a lot of the pain and suffering and politics in the series is SO reflective of current and past events.
Issues of oppressed workers, refugees, factions, and so on? Ooof.
I totally agree. How can a show that is supposedly depicting a world that derived from our world not be reflective of current and past events? The technology advances but the human issues seem to repeat themselves, don't they?
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 it goes to the core thing about SciFi:
SciFi isn’t about the future, it tells us about our present.
With cool ships pewpew
Really happy you are enjoying the show. Still have not seen a Martian suit for sale yet though! 🤣
Have people not dressed as Martians from The Expanse at Comic-con yet? I imagine they have but I also imagine the suit was home made. Thanks for the comment! Really glad that I am enjoying it as well!
The show is complex and (I think to its credit) never bothers to explain anything. There are things that only make sense a couple episodes _after_ they show up. And people get really excited to share... Don't take it personally. But consider getting someone to curate the comments for you. Show's more fun when it's kinda bewildering.
The Rockhoppers were going to tow that asteroid somewhere to sell it. The Martians make a point when enforcing the regulations on them that they are being extra pushy to get revenge for the attack on the Scipio. It's not the regulations, it's the d-bags enforcing them... When Kenzo is talking about "cowboys," he means Martians who are getting overly aggressive enforcing the regs. (Ironically.)
You do you on the speed of reactions. Hope you're enjoying the show.
The wind turbines are called Darrieus.
More specifically, a helical evolution of the originial Darrieus VAWT
Oh ok, seems like we have that technology today then! I mean it is just a rotating shape so I expect we would haha.
A "bill of lading" is supposed to list all of the cargo being transported by a vessel. It allows those enforcing regulations to know what you admit to carrying so they can discover if you are smuggling or not.
9:42 the best lies are surrounded by truths! he's telling the truth there about everything except why he's on the ship right now
I am commenting on this late and have already watched through episode 8 so yea, I totally get this now!
I totally agree, I side with Amos on this episode.
I'd say from a new viewer's perspective: We know Miller's evidence has been stolen, he's been fired. He accuses Captain Shaddid of being bought by Dawes, and we seen an OPA tattoo on one of the security team she calls, suggesting this might be correct.
Miller was hired to find Julie Mao by her parents, through Star Helix. He was not hired to find out whatever's going on with Pheobe and the Scopuli - he's lucked into it, and Shaddid doesn't want him looking any further, possibly on Dawes' instruction as he's not gone after Filat Kothari, meaning he's not taken Dawes' bribe.
We've heard mention of OPA "factions" but I think it's reasonable to assume a viewer without a comments section doesn't know anything about the political structure of the OPA.
I completely agree with your thinking about the "grey" political area of regulation in the Belt. I'd be a lot happier if that regulation also came with protection - in this case we see a couple of Martian troopers who are clearly just looking for someone to push around bullying people with no power and no rights. Everyone wants the wealth of the belt and the labour of the Belters, but nobody's willing to grant them the rights of a citizen.
The "equipment" in the airlock was presumably the controls for the airlock, locked out by by Amos. My guess is that Kenzo was going to use the workings to somehow overload the Amos' panel and electrocute Amos.
"Weed out the cowboys" - I don't think they're talking about Earthers, but more the Martian troops who are cowboys in the slang sense - slapdash, uncareful, or careless of rules and procedures, like a cowboy builder. Maybe you're right though! Maybe Kenzo means Earther spies?
Holden's always been righteous - remember the distress call? He couldn't help but do the right thing, no matter the cost. Holden's rather virtuous and feels this trumps practicality. Amos is clearly brutally pragmatic, and doesn't feel strongly either way about killing people. Amos' traits are very useful in some circumstances, like this one, but how safe would you feel sleeping on the same ship as him?
I'm glad you picked up the symbolism around Miller's hat! Certainly I think he's finding it rather harder to pretend he's not just another Belter, bought and sold.
One detail I picked up from the podcast - the reason Miller is cashing in poker chips is that in a world of digital currency, how do you bribe someone? Specific casino chips. They can be cashed in at the casino, and anyone could have a legitimate reason to carry them. We saw Miller taking a bribe in casino chips in episode one, from the slum landlord who didn't check his air filters. "A lifetime of losing."
Miller's life has been turned upside down. Is this a mid-life crisis, a last hurrah, a huge gamble or what?
Please don't apologise for your content! I love your conversational style.
Agreed on Kenzo's hastily abandoned plan in the airlock. If you freeze-frame to see what diagnostic / service information he's looking at as he scrolls by you will see. And, yes, Casino chips - the key is that they are last remaining untraceable currency in a cashless world.
Thanks for all of the insight! I want the Cowboys things to be about Earther's so badly. As a football fan who hates the Cowboys, I just think that would be apt and funny. Very interesting about the poker chips. One has to wonder why this is the one thing that never went digital. And thanks for the compliment! I guess my style is conversational! Didn't think of it that way before but glad you made me see it in a new light!
Awesome! You have instantly become one of my favorite Expanse reactors because unlike 99% of the world, you did not instantly hate on Baby Amos. Kenzo. For some reason the moment he appears on the ship everyone wants him thrown out an airlock, trusting nothing he says. I got the opposite reaction. People want him dead, but I will always remember him as the reason for 'Donkey Balls'. But for his suggestion they would never have searched for the black ops codes. True, one could say his transmission back to the U.N.drew the Martians attention... but that may have happened regardless given the state of alert the Martians were in at the time. All hail Baby Amos!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kenzo is the man!
I call him baby Amos because the actor who plays Kenzo, Elias Toufexis almost landed the role of Amos. It was down to him or Wes Chatham. They chose Wes. In an alternate universe somewhere Toufexis is crouching to take a head shot. A French CZcams reactor Laura was a big fan. He made an video appearance on one of her reactions and told the story of how he almost got the part. I won't tell it all. Somewhere in the future when you're comfortable looking for background information about the Expanse, look for him on her channel. He's a really cool guy. And very gracious and understanding that they chose Wes Chatham over him.
You probably don't have the time, but if you did I recommend going over to Laura's CZcams channel, Laura Reactions and watching her reaction to episodes you've already seen. Maybe episode 4 if you can stomach it. She's really funny. And very sweet with her broken English accent.
czcams.com/video/6tcEN9rfAUg/video.html
Onward to Episode 8! The episode that made me fall in love with The Expanse.
Thank you so very much for the compliment! And ok I was confused at first about the baby Amos part hahaha! Yes he (along with my current favorite character Alex) gave us donkey balls! Interesting about how he almost got the part of Amos. Obviously one cannot picture Amos being played by anyone except Wes now, but I could see Elias doing a great job. And yea I'll totally give Laura's CZcams channel a watch. And yes I WILL do episode 4 so I can lose my mind all over again! I am clicking on the link now to have it open for a bit later today!
The Belters are very much the Palestinians. As for being exposed to vacuum he should have exhaled. Temperature wouldnt be a big problem because radiation would be the only form of heat transfer.
Interesting parallel you drew there on the Palestinians. I do not disagree.
10:45 he's just making fun of miller's hat, just like the other guy calling him "detective chapeau"
Well that isn't very nice! The hat is quite stylish if you ask me!
Holden is your classic paladin. He wants to save everyone he possibly can. That is the core of his character. That's what got him kicked out of the UN navy, that's what made him log the distress call on the Cant, and that's why he was willing to shoot Amos to save two random Martian navy guys so that Amos wouldn't kill them. For better or for worse, that is always what drives Holden. However, like all characters on this show, he will grow and change. You'll just have to keep watching to see how that plays out!
"The audience is supposed to be confused". Well ya. Season 1 is a murder mystery. Who killed the cant, and why.
"lading" is a list of a ship's cargo.
Holden was right. They can't outfight the Martians. Killing some of them would just make it worse.
Well sure, it would make it worse, but him going to jail would just be the end of him, so I see it as the lesser of two evils at this juncture. Thanks for the comment!
I don't understand people in the comments disliking Holden for NOT killing people when there might be a way to avoid it. What is wrong with having a moral compass and trying to behave ethical?
Also always shockes me when people reacting to shows tell a character to "just kill" somebody...
You can do what uncle Mateo did, without exploding or your eyes popping out (like often depicted in bad scifi). However, they did it wrong in this scene. You have to _exhale completely_, or your lungs will rupture. Mateo inhaled and hold his breath, it would not work this way.
The temperature is actually the least problem. Space doesn't have a temperature. There is (almost) nothing in it to have one. Many don't understand what temperture really is. If you go outside, you feel the temperature of the air, or the heat of the sunbeams hitting you. If you go to the arctic and take off your clothes, you will freeze relatively quickly because the air surrounding you acts as the medium taking away your body heat (convection). But in space there is no air. Vacuum is a very good insulator. In space, you can only radiate away your body heat, and that takes a very long time. And if you're facing the Sun, you will actually heat up (on that side only).
There is only 3 ways to lose heat: Conduction, convection, and radiation. The first 2 are almost inexistent in space.
What is meant when it is said that the temperature of space is ~2.7K (or almost zero) is the cosmic microwave background radiation.
Earth is split into regional and local interest, trade, and administrative zones.
Some may still represent former country bounderies, but we don't know much about this.
Fun fact: Astronauts wear a body temperature regulating garment with tubes with liquid in it under their space suits. That system is ment to cool the body, not to heat it. It's called "Liquid cooling and ventilation garment".
Space doesnt really have a temperature, it's a vacuum. Its a Dewer Wall with no wall, like a thermos.
Space is not a perfect vacuum though, there are stray molecules floating about, but there are very few of them compared to a pressurized atmosphere. The molecules might be hot or cold but there are so few of them that heat transfer is limited.
I hope you're taking notes, there will be a quiz after... 😛
To be honest I just did a quick google search of the temperature of space and it said 2.7 kelvin or something like that. Basically just above absolute zero. But I agree with what you are saying. Definitely is not a pure vacuum by any means.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 the weird thing about space is that it's actually difficult to get rid of heat. The heaviest component of the International Space Station is the thermal radiators 😯
A human body though, it ends up freezing in space for an unexpected reason. As pressure drops, the boiling point of water drops, to room temperature or lower (if you've ever seen high altitude cooking instructions, THAT'S why). As soon as you are exposed to vacuum, all the water in your body begins to boil because of your body heat. The water turns to vapor as it boils off, taking heat away with it, lowering your body temperature until you freeze (though you die from lack of oxygen way before that). Often in sci-fi, dead bodies in space are referred to as a "corpsicles" 😯
**insert Breaking Bad "yeah SCIENCE BITCH!!" meme** 🤣🤣🤣
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 the temperature is only 2.7 kelvin because the few molecules that exist oscillate very slowly and are practically still (temperature = measure of how quickly the molecules oscillate), BUT THEY ARE ALWAYS FEW in empty space. For this reason you do not die from freezing, you have no way of exchanging heat with the outside (the heat exchange between you and the external environment occurs through collisions between your molecules and the external ones, but if there are none outside , the heat exchange mechanism cannot occur)
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 death by freezing occurs in empty space after a long time and not after a few seconds. A sci-fi classic but it's physically wrong
someone probably has already said this in a comment before, but to understand Holden you basically have to consider the idea of a paladin in an rpg. From what we heard from his mother Elise, you sort of have to think about how he was raised by a group of people who were sort of philosophically and politically extreme about a 'noble' cause. He's bucked that a little trying to be a vagabond hanging around in the belt and avoiding responsibility on the Cant. He's not the sort of person anyone you'd really ever typically come across usually. If you saw Dungeons and Dragons and Dragons: Honor among thieves there's a fairly extreme example in the character of Xenk the paladin. Anyway, Holden is a challenge as a character. He'll do things that are extreme if they serve "the cause" however he interprets that at the time.
Ahh hmmm, so Paladin was mentioned in an earlier comment. I confess I have never played D&D though the concept of it interest me greatly. I do enjoy the back story of the values that his family and upbringing taught him, and how his time in the UN Navy seem to go against that. So I bet now he is in a state of inner turmoil. Love my grey characters and I assume it isn't the last time that Holden will frustrate me. Overall though, I still love the guy.
"Lading" = cargo manifest
Ah great, thanks for the insight! Learn something new every day!
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 There is a nearly infinite amount of contracts involving the sale of goods that occur on a daily basis all over the world. People not involved with the process will have never heard the term "lading". It is more commonly included in the phrase "bill of lading". When goods are shipped, the recipient did not pack them and really has no idea what might be inside the container, crate, etc. they receive. Nor does the seller have any idea if the shipper, or The Mob, or an individual crook, might have intercepted the shipment and lightened the load with their sticky fingers to some degree. The bill of lading is a paper record of what was shipped. The recipient will compare the contents of the shipment with the bill of lading to make sure it received everything that was supposedly shipped. If not, then there are procedures set forth in the Uniform Commercial Code to legally handle any discrepencies. I don't recall them. It was back in about 1973 that I took law school classes on the UCC, and I've never practiced in that area. I think, basically, the recipient has a limited time to register a complaint about being shorted or shipped the wrong items, and the seller then has precise ways to either correct the error or deny anything to do with the shortage/mistake. Bonds and insurance can be involved, and a shipment might pass through several different carriers and warehouses before arriving at its intended destination. A copy of the bill of lading travels along with the shipment.
United States is basically a state in itself in the show. Its also includes Canada in the show i think.
Yea I am getting the impression that "North America" is all one at this point. Is that right?
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 it's the impression I got from the text and dialogue.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 all of earth is under one govt ie the UN. Its effectiveness is debatable.
We know it's a single government. What we are saying is that a big chunk of north America is like a single state under that government instead of being divided into 50 states (the states probably exist now as something similar to counties).
Dunno why people Always hate Holden on First season
Definitely do not hate him at all. Just that one scene rubbed me the wrong way is all. Getting some of his background of his upbringing on Montana actually entered me to him more, though I did not express that well in this particular reaction.
Holden makes a lot of bad decisions. I don't think this was one of them tho'.
Human skin is actually an excellent grade of leather and capable of withstanding the vacuum of space, though you will wind up with an all-over bruise due to burst capillaries (which happens due to nitrogen boiling out of blood). The "temperature" is another thing because that same vacuum does not allow for the gain or loss of heat except through radiation. The hard limit is reached by the amount of oxygen that is dissolved in the blood since once that is expended, the person will pass out. Living and working in a low-oxygen environment (as we learn from the workers at Anderson Station) gives Belters an advantage there. The scene with Mateo is an example of showing rather than telling that space does not function the way our old myths lead us to believe it does.
You have missed the fact that James Holden sees himself as a "righteous knight" and sees murder (which is what Amos was planning) as "wrong."
I don't know why you put "wrong" in quotation marks? I thought killing was wrong?
@@huro1845, it is a matter of perspective. From Amos' perspective, his actions were neither right nor wrong, and he accepted that Holden might kill him with equanimity.
The headscratcher for me is that Alex has been out of the MCRN for several years and in all that time they haven't changed their black ops codewords. Works for the plot but very unbelievable.
What makes you think martians didn’t change the codewords? The episode spends several minutes showing the crew trying to get the codes from the ship’s op locker because they didn’t know the codes.
"donkey balls" could be an informal marker, or nothing. they didn't tell us.
did you miss the part where they spent ages trying to break into the Ops locker for the current code-words?
Holden is complicated. He will always try and do whats right.. regardless of the obvious. It's infuriating =)
So I imagine this won't be the last time that I am infuriated with him huh?
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 Nope =)
@@irishlatinoreacts1842there will come a time where you worry about him because he really goes off the deep end too.
I assume the United States are the military faction on Mars now
Earth is being run by the United Nations. Mars is an independent government. The US does not exist.
Oh really? I got the impression that Mars is an independent governing state.
@@irishlatinoreacts1842 I think that was an attempted joke about militaristic superpowers. You will learn more about Mars as the show goes forwards, and a little more about Earth too.
You complain about Holden being righteous and side with Amos. So you are ok with murdering innocent people just doing their job? Do you just shot police if they stop you going to work?
If you know they’re going to shoot you, it’s a bit different.
I guess I side with Amos in the aspect of taking the Martian's prisoner on board seems far too risky. I think they'd definitely be able to out-smart our crew in someway and get a message off to a larger MCRN ship. So I did feel like in this instance, killing them was the only way (obviously besides the way it played out with the codes). And also please remember that this is just a show and isn't real. I definitely do not condone killing innocents in real life. Thanks for the comment!
Holden's character is intentionally insufferable. He doesn't stay that way, but every flawed hero has to start somewhere in order to show growth.
"he doesn't stay that way" debatable
Yeah, he gets worse.
Then he gets better.
Then he turns into the universe’s chew toy.
@@Justanotherconsumer Holden is faced with many moral dilemmas and his track record is mixed
Why isn't your "Irish on the top" hair green". There's nothing in space to take the heat away from your body, so, you don't freeze instantaneously. Anderson Dawes said "Don't get hung up on good or bad, it'll only confuse you". That'll help you with EVERY character this show gives you. Yam seng, Beltalowda.
You are quoting future Anderson Dawes. Not an egregious spoiler, but please be more careful in future.
Well I say "Irish on the bottom" actually. My beard does have a reddish tint to it from my father. I am not saying it is super red because it is offset by my Salvadoran mother who has black hair, thus giving me dark brown on top.