The Greatest Board Games Ever Made?! | Legacy Games Explained
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- čas přidán 11. 01. 2021
- What are Legacy Games, and why do people love Gloomhaven and Pandemic Legacy SO MUCH?!
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Me at the stat of the video: I would never buy a legacy game. I can only play it a certain number of times and it's expensive? Never.
Me at the end of the video: a concert rather than an album, selling me a unique experience. Sharing the price with a group of the same mates you play it with. Huh....ok, sounds like great fun!
Reality: I don't have any friends. Play Uno online again.
The legacy games are a concert where as regular games are an album is such a brilliant analogy and really helped make sense of it and the desire to have these "limited" games. Nice one
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I'm going to be playing The King's Dilemma with friends for the first time tomorrow night. I cannot WAIT.
Have fun! I've played a couple games and it was realllyy good
That analogy of "concert vs album" is such an amazing way of describing legacy games.
I think one of the things that is important and why we like legacy games its that it forces us to play a board game more than 3 times. A lot of board game collectors don't get a chance to get games out to the table multiple time. The fact that you have a game that forces you to do that to complete the story is amazing.
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I'm an old man traditionalist. So, my favourite boardgame is Ludo. There's such a sense of accomplishment when you get all your guys back home.
"Happy Pigs, again!" is Laurie's catchphrase now.
The concert vs album description is really interesting to me, especially since concerts and live music was my life pre 2020. Because, it's not usually either/or. Usually you like the album then pay to see the concert, or see the concert and end up buying the album on the way out. When I have a great time at a concert, I'm usually listening to the album on the way home, and listening to the album helps the memories of the concert. When I go to a show with people, I usually end up taking a few videos of my favorite songs to show friends that didn't/couldn't go, or at least play the album for them. You don't pick concert or album, they go together. Compliment each other.
That's not quite what's happening here though. For some there's a repeat version the legacy is built from (the album played in the concert), but a lot of them are as if you see a concert, and know you'll never be able to hear a song you liked again unless you pay for an expensive ticket again, they don't have anything recorded and they wouldn't let you take video. Once it happens, it's gone. It's almost like selling an RPG but with no GM needed, and all creativity done for you. But you can still replay the same campaigns for rpgs, and still have them be different, without needing to buy the entire handbook again.
It feels cash grab-y to make them fully permanent for only X amount of uses, when they could be made semi permanent instead. Make surfaces dry erase material instead of pens. Magnets instead of stickers. Putting cards in a bag to remove them from play permanently instead of tearing them. Sell refill packs of game sheets or certain cards, which would mean making even more money from the game, between people buying the packs but also more people willing to spend a lot of money on something they *can* use more than once before all it can do is take up space and gather dust.
Also, you can easily meet new friends at concerts and end up hanging out. If someone knew joins the group while you're on game 2 of 15, is there a way to add them in and let them be on an even playing field? No way to go back just 2 games and start over? Or do you exclude the one new friend and play all those times more while the new person isn't allowed to play? All carpool to the concert together but leave the one friend at the door to wait while the rest enjoy the concert? Over and over again? And the only way to let them join would be paying for a whole new concert and getting the same group of people to be able to go again? Or what if a friend group implodes partway through, ie people fight/break up, or someone has to move, etc? You can then never finish the game you spent that much money on? Someone couldn't get tickets or people fight at a concert you can still enjoy the show itself that you pid for, that isn't reliant on interpersonal connections and availability of others. Games in general you can't really play on your own (i have the same issue with only multiplayer video games too), but at least replayable games aren't reliant on only having a specific group of people
To take the analogy of concert experience vs a replayable album a step farther than what was used in the video, if I have a REALLY good time at a concert I'm willing to buy tickets to see it again, even though it's really expensive, like I'm sure would be true of some that REALLY enjoyed the game. But, I usually have takeaways from the concert to use to convince other people to go that didn't last time. You don't really have that with one time use games, unless you record a lets play of it. You kinda have an album to convince others to go to the concert of a game with some of them, like pandemic or betrayal, but not all of them, and even there it's an additional cost, especially if you had played someone else's version previously.
That's a lot of words for no one to ever actually read, but yeah. The analogy is nice, till you look a bit deeper, and if you remember that it's being said by someone who wants you to buy the games he sells. Not saying he has any bad intent or anything! It's just important to be critical about what people say about things when they have money on the line. It'd be the same thing if someone gave an analogy about how bad legacy games are, to find out they make a similar but multiple plays game.
I like the concept, I dread how it was handled. It could very easily be semi-perminent, rather than actually perminent, meaning if you want to play again, you don't have to buy a whole other set of the same game.
I Didn’t know about legacy games
This is new to me, and the thought of only having a few plays for a lot of money makes me very uncomfortable
But the idea of maybe splitting gloomhaven with a group eases my concern a little
I am the same, but the concert to album comparison really helped sell me on it. You're not just buying the game, you're buying the experience.
Gloomhaven is great. Amazingly well tuned but get the app's as they help track everything during the game and the campaign.
Edit. You would also be able to get 80+ games out of gloomhaven and you could probably replay it.....we've not finished it yet
I had the same concern when I first heard about Pandemic Legacy. But having played Gloomhaven, I can assure you it's not a problem for that particular game, as "only a few plays" = around 95 scenarios, each lasting 2-4 hours (depending on your group), some of which you might replay, plus any number of 'random' dungeons, plus the wealth of fan-made content available for free online. GH costs ~£100, but assuming you love it like my group did, you're spending about 75p per play. I can't think of a single non-legacy game I've bought that delivers that kind of value (or even one I've played more than around 50 times MAX for that matter, usually closer to 10).
What klls me is they could easily design it in such a way that you wouldn't have to perminently destroy your game set, but they don't because reasons.
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I played a bit of betrayal standard before
I might want to look into that.
Now I wanna see a Betrayal Legacy series.
Yesssss. I've been waiting on a legacy board game explained video. I enjoy the concepts of those games.
My current fav is Kings Dilemma
I love ripping and making my friends rip my Pandemic Legacy cards in two, the catharsis is always worth it. In the other hand, I always stick them back later with adhesive tape and bury them in a "component graveyard box" to remember everything what took place above our game board; after all, the dramatic nature of the Legacy genre gives a special value to each discarded/destroyed component that would disappear if I simply left them in their unaltered shape. And regarding the "destroyed" board? That may as well be the best portrait of a legendary battlefield, almost deserving being framed on a wall.
Friendships were altered over the course of the regular "Risk: Legacy" game I'd play with the same group of friends. What a brilliant idea (especially the "NEVER OPEN THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES" envelope), and I'm not just saying that because I had the most wins and got to name the planet.
IT IS
SOOOOO HARD
TO GET A GROUP TOGETHER ON A CONSISTENT BASIS FOR A TTRPG
The problem with the concert not the album analogy is a concert is one session. In the last 18 months 7 of my friends i would have thought of as my core group that like games have died. Its a bad enough thing to happen without ruining the game we spent a week of groceries on buying.
Zombie Kids is an amazing Legacy Game for kids. My daughter loves that her character gets better over time.
The limited amount of games doesn’t matter as much because they will likely have grown out of the time it’s finished.
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bought my first legacy game as my first board game to start my collection a couple months ago and have had no chance to get a group together to play. someone is always either on vacation, or sick, or just busy having a family : /
Oh look at that lovely Gloomhaven I wish so much I could have it into my house as well... ...
i should be an analyst, whacky, excited, energetic suggester haha and maybe one day i’ll earn the coveted “participant-role” in any game with any of you amazing enthusiasts... to maybe... friends :) love what you’re doing! board games and agot lcg saved my life. i suggest everyone finds a local game store and start making lasting relationships. patience and compassion to those players that have played before. we want them to come back right? haha
I hated , hate Gloom. It just doesn't feel like a board game but more like playing a fairly Rigid game of Dungeons and Dragons. It took me a week to get organized and takes at least a half hour to setup each time.
But, Clank Legacy was amazing. One of the best experiences of me and my wife's long board game life. Still in the middle of Betrayal Legacy and its tremendous as well.
Love ya Laurie. You are the best
Been a while since we had an explained
Finally legacy!!!
These games seem fun
Where is Monopoly Legacy? :D
Great video but a little bit heavy on the spoilers for someone who hasn’t yet played pandemic legacy...
I literally ordered Gloomhaven: Jaws of the Lion before JUST before I saw this video
I hope I made the right decision of which legacy game should be my first 😅
If Gloomhaven interests you, Jaws of the lion is the perfect start :)
You did.
There's this card game that I played once years ago and I can't remember the name of it so I'm hoping you know what it is. Its a game where the cards of the game change the rules as you play along
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I like the idea of a Legacy game, but I hate the thought that now I have a game I cannot replay without repurchasing it at the end, also i MUST have the same group of people, or I may miss out on the experience. As a friend group that is split geographically, it just feels like a tall order and not super worth it. If I made way more money and had all the time in the world, I would feel different about it I suppose.
That was one of my thoughts too, like what if your group of friends changes for some reason? Either shrinks or expands? You now have a half finished game you spent a lot of money on and can't finish. Semi permanent, like changes are made to the board but it's erasable, things are added but its magnets not stickers, cards are permanently removed, but in a bag not torn up, etc. At least then if something happens, you can erase things and start again.
Think we’ll see a Star Wars Legacy game🤔🤞🏻
Why did that get unspeakably dark
Just found out one of my favorite tabletop RPGs (Vampire: The Masquerade) is also getting a legacy board game and FUCK YEAH
Look, if there's a rule of ripping of a card in the game. I'd rather just hide the card away, it seems a waste of investment to just ripped it of since the game told you so.
Either way, if I do manage to get a legacy board game ill find a way not to waste those materials just cause it need to be.
I played risk legacy with my friends and the amount of swear words as cities,,,,
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Gloom Gaven is $124 is the us witch suckd
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