AI Art Bros are butthurt
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- DISCLAIMER: DO NOT harass any persons mentioned in this video. This is an opinion piece and a response to comments on a recent video.
So, I'm not sure what the reaction will be to this video, but I hope you'll watch the whole thing before commenting. This is me debating points made by AI Bros in my last video. This is the last time I'm gonna talk about this stuff and I just want to move and make art videos like I always intended.
Anyway, AI Bros, if you're reading this: Note that I used a thing called punctuation. Please try to use it in the replies. I can't wait to see this video's comments.
All that aside, remember that this is mostly just my opinion. Feel free to debate me in the comments. Be well, friends. I'm done with my "AI Hater" arc.
0:00 Comment of the Year
2:28 Intro + a Thank You
3:22 Correction
3:38 My Art was Not Good
5:02 Pexels, I Use Pexels
5:10 "Cope"
6:12 Phenomenal Comebacks
7:27 "Gatekeeping"
8:52 The Aaron Carter Incident
9:56 Entitlement
11:00 AI Art Bros Got a Scammer Problem
12:46 AI Generating Things that Don't Need to Be AI Generated
13:48 Sampling
15:10 The One Guy that Got It
16:28 Disney's Power, Independent Artists' Weakness
17:02 The SamDoesArts Incident
17:18 Human's Reference vs. Machine's Learning
23:11 The INSANELY LONG Comment
23:46 "Misinformation" and Connotations
24:26 Fact Checking Copyright Laws in Specific Countries
25:30 Tracing and the Artist Reponse
26:21 Carlos Mencia vs. Joe Rogan
26:57 Why Artists Don't Use AI / Adobe Being Adobe
27:57 The Tool Argument... AGAIN
28:40 Dude, I'm An Artist, Not A Lawyer
29:19 The Uncanny Valley
30:08 You Get What You Give
30:26 "Talent" is a BS Word
31:36 A Bad Argument and Why "Tools" Shouldn't Be for Everyone
32:25 You Missed the Point
33:05 The PewDiePie Incident
35:36 AI Art Bro Mentality
39:14 Artists Behaving Badly
41:38 Addressing that I Like Women ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
42:07 An Insanely Bad Thing About AI Image Gen
42:24 AI Art Bros Conspiring
45:22 One of The Braindead-est Takes I've Ever Seen
46:45 It Is As Easy as Pushing a Button, Bro
47:43 Uh-Oh .... [REDACTED] / AI Propaganda Bad, Bro
48:53 Why Artists Won't Admit To Using AI
49:22 DID YOU NOT SEE THE TWEET?!?!
50:05 AI Art Bros and a Misunderstanding of Modern Art
51:07 Addressing AI Art Bros' Bad Grammar (I Couldn't Take it Anymore)
53:30 Artists Are Not Entirely Innocent
54:22 "Glass House" : I Addressed This Before You Got Here
54:48 You Missed the Point 2
55:10 Attempting the Jazza's Brother Method
56:16 Final Thoughts
56:49 A Philosophical Question for You
57:46 lol
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Remember, this video is my opinion. I'm done with AI art stuff. Moving on with my art stuff.
Anyway, if you liked this video, smash like to "horse the spacesuit" or whatever.
(Edit: Also, y'all should watch the movie Surrogates)
I think the argument against the idea that ai's learn similarly to humans is the directness of the data flow. For instance an ai model without the particular data from a specific artist can never (as the current technology stands) create something new in that same style. whereas the first human s to ever create art must have been depicting things they can see obviously, because we are capable of abstracting shapes and figures with our minds. ai generators need that abstraction to be done for them to which they can then copy or replicate the data in different ways. this seems to suggest that the method that ai's currently use of creating art, necessitates human made artwork. So i don't see the similarity of human learning vs ai. Relatively speaking when looking at other advanced ai technology, it seems actually pretty sad to consider ai image generation any kind of "artificial intelligence."
When you brought up how most of them are rightwing it clicked in my head. Oh crap youre right.
Im not even left leaning but its so weird this is on one side of the political spectrum
For instance when a person looks at and takes inspiration from art, they're picking aspects or techniques they like and may try in the future based on the preferences, biases, and skill level. The ai is essentially brute forcing "art" by trying everything it deems reasonable while an engineer directs it in the background telling it "hotter" and "colder". The fact that the ais need to steal the actual image itself in order to "learn" from it I think differentiates the type of "learning" being done.
I feel like both sides have many that hate theft, and both sides have those who will pursue new tech to the detriment of society as well. Completely anecdotally speaking I've talked to a lot of people who are very pro ai art, and all of them so far have been lefty as far as I've known. I'm guessing the political insertion into this topic (and many others) is more to get people to bandwagon on the opinion that agrees with their political philosophy rather than considering the issue of its own merit.@@CollegeDroputPowerpoints
@@CollegeDroputPowerpoints Yeah - it's so bizarre when they keep using the word "democratize," but when conservatism is literally derived from the word "conserve." As stated, I don't want to get into the politics, but hey - maybe this AI debate will bring us together lol.
Ai bros are like people that want a cake without cooking it, so they buy the cake and say they made it
Perfect analogy.
i think they are bots and not even real people
And then they start insulting the bakers for their hard work lol
@@NogardtistFigures they're too lazy to write responses for themselves.
They also claim, they will replace real bakers.
ai art is just a giant excuse to not try
Or maybe ... Just a new method to get similar results with less total time and effort. All the points made against AI are just talking about text to image. That is not the totality of AI art, that is level 1 (a straw man). When real artists start to use AI in their workflows, people will look back at digital art the same way digital artists look at traditional paintings. It's not a 'lesser'' skill, it's just a different way of creating whatever you want.
Totally, and at the end of the day trad artists who are knuckling down and doing the work will stand out for their skills while ai prompters will just be people who type words into a machine. This is just my opinion though lol, nobody needs to get butthurt.
True
@@udippatel6147except digital art is basically traditional art with the added benefit of the tools being all available and made easy to use, not something that is being used as a crutch for people who can't draw/paint or don't want to spend time doing the process
art is not about end results, "real artists being assisted by AI" is too ambiguous, using AI to assist as reference or composition so you can have a better picture of what you want to do is different from literally letting the AI draw anatomy/clothing folds for you
BASED LOL
No wonder these AI bros need to pay for prompting classes, they don't even know what punctuation is.
Yeah, sorry to leave my meltdown in there. But you can only take so much for so long. And I cut out a LOT of comments, too.
Thanks for watching! 🖤
They're all the bottom of the barrel kind of people who can't be fuc-ed to put effort into learning anything lol. 99% of the AI bros are exactly that.
They’re paying for what?
"Prompting classes" Straight up dumbest crap I've ever heard, these people might as well just pick up a pencil
@@emeraldxlj765 I see classes that offers professional prompting on AI class like Coloso.
The content? Syntax, English Class (Grammar, Punctuation, Pronounciation, and Adjectives), Flowcharts.
Thank God I graduated IT classes so I can say it's not a class content, it's the damn ENTRY REQUIREMENT.
These people actively give money to scammers and actively hating artists are on another hypocrisy layer.
I am not even an artist, my sister is the artist of the family but seeing people seethe because they want AI generated (stolen) "art" to be recognised as an actual art is so hilarious.
Ai tech bros are basically just lazy ass jobless people that dont want to put time and effort to create something meaningful.
the AI art bros are pulling out encyclopedias worth of text in response is so hilarious to me.
Not even using chatGPT. Disappointed.
@@leshommesdupilly they must have been MAD mad
It's like I read Lord of the Rings three times over, but there was no cool tree people or elves along the way, just pain.
@@johnbrockiii you read Lord of the cringe lol.
more like they used chatGPT copy pasted that
ai bro should be a new definition of lazy
The idea that they think you have to start art as a child in order to be able to draw for a hobby as an adult is wild bro 💀 I doodled in school, I’d probably doodle at work, I doodle in church, if you’re truly interested in art you find a way to do that hobby. AI art is only bad if you use stolen art to build your database.
You don’t have to be “good” at art to enjoy it, I find it incredibly ridiculous that people are feeling like they have to make something on a professional level in order to enjoy themselves, you don’t have to be a professional to enjoy art, and if you’re starting art and expecting yourself to just pump out a masterpiece then you’re going to be severely disappointed.
Like anything in life, you have to work hard to become good at something, art is included in this. Trying to cut out the entire process of practice and going straight to a computer, a bunch of code, is a lazy shortcut and no amount of “but it took hours to write the prompt and perfect it” is going to convince me otherwise, just because it takes time doesn’t mean it’s skill or not lazy. It takes an hour to watch a movie but that doesn’t make me a movie producer.
Just to wrap up this long comment, don’t let the pressure or expectations of others make you feel like you have to draw good, at the end of the day, you’re drawing what makes *you* happy. Don’t spend your life trying to impress people you’ll never meet.
Literally I start art when I was 17 and the improvement I had from 17 to 20 was massive. Most people can pick up art and invest an year or so in it to reach a base level honestly.
Seriously, like have they never heard of Grandma Moses? Her work is highly celebrated and she didn't start painting until she was in her 70s. You don't have to start art as a child to be good at it.
@@PalaGov Communism? so I can just copy a whole book and say it's mine because I could write it since they read other books? it is just imagination and words anyone can do I just take a short cut. copyright doesn't exist on works of art sure that's why we don't have to say who we quote from, or that's surely pirating movies and series aren't illegal XDD
@@PalaGov I respectfully disagree. (This is a really long post so feel free to not read lmao)
Though I can understand where you’re coming from, I think you’re thinking about the fact that if you were to strip everything down to its basic concept then yes there’s nothing original because “band of witty and likable adventurers go on a quest to save x and y” is constantly used, but I don’t think the wizard of oz and super Mario Bros are the same thing, same can be said for “drawing of a person defeating a draconic beast” but monster hunter and defeating charizard from Pokémon are not the same either because I’d say they are very much different things, because one is a person trying to hunt and take down dragon-like beasts because it’s causing problems to a nearby village and the hunter trained to kill those beasts must slay the dragon, while the other is an opponent in a world of magical creatures that aid humans and some are even gods that you can capture in a small ball and use to battle other people who have captured these unique and brightly colored creatures.
But art can be stolen because if it’s not yours and you take it (using you as a general statement not *you* in specific) that’s theft. And it being online doesn’t change the fact it’s theft either, it’s illegal to pirate movies(in certain countries) , which are a type of art form and piracy is theft, just because an artist is small and not a large corporation/ company pumping out multi million dollar franchises doesn’t mean they can’t get stolen from, in fact it’s quite the opposite! People steal from small unknown artists all the time because they know that nobody will know or the artist can’t do anything to combat it whether that be because they’re a child, mentally disabled or unable to fund the kind of power to actually stop the theft of their work.
An AI has no imagination, without input of things created by humans it cannot work on its own. How some if not a lot (though I’m sure not all) of AI art and AI in general is trained is not *just* shown an image and it gets inspired.
How it works is if you show it a picture of an apple, it’s not going to see an apple, just a bunch of code and pixels at specific x and y sections on the screen, how it learns what certain things are is it’s told, this is a “red apple” and it remembers that, then by giving it hundreds of images of a “red apple” it now has a lot of context and ability to make various versions of a “red apple” but only based on what it’s been given, it cannot create an entirely new image because the image it creates is a mixture of the images it’s been told is a “red apple.” If you take away all the images of a red apple on its side, it will no longer know what a red apple on its side looks like and can’t create it, this is *very* different from inspiration as inspiration, for the most part, is when someone sees a drawing, picture or even something in front of them in real life and goes “I like the colors of this”, “this pose of someone doing a jump kick is pretty cool it made me imagine x character/person doing ballet. I’ll use this jump kick as a reference to get the similar perspectives down so I can understand it better and not need this piece of content in the future as a reference.” Chatbots are trained almost the exact same except it’s fed hundreds of thousands of conversations and told what the context, feeling, subject matter etc is of the conversation, the AI can’t actually read, it’s only piecing things together like glueing a bunch of newspaper headlines together to form a sentence.
AI is not actually intelligent it is following it’s code, “if {{user}} responds with x then y” (obviously it’s more complicated and complex than that but that’s all code really is at the end of the day is a bunch of math and commands) nothing about AI is intelligent or creating anything new. If you feed an AI art program hundreds of images of say… a cat, but it’s only your cat and the only images you’ve supplied are images of your cat in a Christmas hat and sitting on your countertop or your living room couch, then the AI will only know how to create images of your cat in a Christmas hat and sitting on your countertop or your living room couch. It cannot create anything else.
And the way an AI is “inspired” and learns vs how we are “inspired” and learn are very different as well, I’ve already gone over how inspiration typically works with artists but AI doesn’t get inspired, in a sense, if it was a real person, it wouldn’t even be using pencils or markers to draw, it’d be more like showing them an image (for example again) of a red apple and then handing it a bunch of magazines on red apples and it then just cuts out small bits and bobs of the magazines and pieces together an apple from it that looks similar. It doesn’t actually know that what it’s looking at is an apple, it just knows it’s told it’s an apple, it could actually be an orange for all it knows. How humans learn however is we know that what we are looking at is an apple based on color, shape, sometimes even smell, texture, weight, and by learning those things about it, learning how an apple sits in your hand, or how some apples have light spots and others don’t… we don’t need the thousands of images of an apple every time we want to draw one because we learned from experience holding, touching, smelling, tasting, and seeing an apple. For example on learning, a baby learns to walk by balancing itself, by feeling around and experiencing success and failure, by feeling the shift of the soft carpet beneath them or the way their body weight shifts when going up a slope, an AI learns to walk by essentially trying over and over and over again until it finds the right amount of code, the only reason it knows if it’s succeeding is because the programmer told it that, like “if x meets certain condition, then y, else execute script z” and ai doesn’t have a concept of anything, sure at the end of the day you could say we learn similarly by breaking it down to its key components by saying “it looks at images and learns and artists look at images and learns” or “it looks at the prompt and is inspired and artists look at other media and are inspired” but that’s like saying earlier that art can’t be stolen because it’s all essentially the same, you’re simplifying the core concepts down way too far until they’re no longer different, it’s like saying “a human is a featherless biped” then lo! Here be a human! 🦖 they are the same as we both stand on two feet and have no feathers!
Anyways, TL;DR
AI is very different from people in its sense of understanding of the world around it and how it is “inspired” and learns. And art, just because its base concept is the same, doesn’t mean it’s all the same thing because the creators were inspired by something in real life. An AI cannot think or feel or experience things, a human can and that’s the difference in why they will never be the same.
All of this to say, I also am not against AI or think AI is inherently bad, I just think that those who use artwork they’ve fed the AI without the artists consent or knowledge need to either pay an artist to let them use their artwork or simply commission an artist instead of turning to AI, typically you won’t have to spend hours of coming up with the perfect prompt or needing to tweak it in photoshop! Most artists I know are willing to work with their client to get what they want if the client was clear and specific about what they want in the beginning of the commission. :) I hope you have a good day/night wherever you are and stay safe 💜
@@PalaGov respectfully, I’ll agree to disagree, a human is a living being while a program cannot do anything more than what it’s told, life and humans are so much more than just physics and mathematics and I’m sorry you cannot see past that to understand the uniqueness and complexity as well as diversity of art in our world. Again I truly wish you the best but don’t want to debate this further so I wish you a good day/night wherever you are and hope you stay safe out there in this crazy world :)
Ai art for the most part isnt a tool - its a service. And the people using it are consumers not creators. It cant be stated enough lol
Well that first one is rather deranged. Why do ai art bros think others are "lucky" to learn how to be proper artists. It requires dedication, its not random happenstance. They act as though they deserve art with no effort on their end while sidestepping that their ai programs are built upon other peoples stolen work. Not wanting to have your work stolen isnt arrogant or condescending, its common sense.
Yeah, it was definitely a hard read lol. I lost a few brain cells, but it was worth it for the meme lol.
Thanks for watching. 🖤
And in the end theyre still just consumers by using these generators haha. If you asked any of them about the principles of design, or anything thats related to the craft itself they would look at you like a deer in the headlights. Artists they are not lmao
I always wondered where the whole artists see themselves as above people for the basic concept of drawing thing comes from when learning in art school we literally get mad at any group that have historically acted that way even within the art scene.
Now I'm SURE that AI bros have an inferiority complex cause gawd. I've never thought less of someone for not being able to draw.
Dude I'm not good with art, I'm constantly insecure, and I constantly wish I could skip the journey, but the difference is that despite it all, I still push trough, because that's what it takes to be an artist, not luck, not a lot of money or anything, just DEDICATION! And I do it, because I want it to be MINE, because these idiots don't understand that literally 90% of the appeal of being an artist is that YOU'RE THE ONE MAKING THE PIECE, WITH YOUR OWN SKILLS!
@@allanredhill8682 They claim to be an artist while probably never even having heard the term "color theory" in their lives.
Ai art bros would argue they should run the boston marathon with a bike and if they arent allowed its "gatekeeping"
More like with a self-driving car, even a bike would be too much work for these sloths
Seems like the NFT Bros are not doing well after their monkeys lost value. Now they are giving everything for AI shit.
Well, they gotta pay for their eye surgeries somehow.
You see the cruise where they blinded the Bored Ape Bros with the UV lights? On one hand, I feel bad for them, on the other hand, wellll....
i started to draw 3 years ago when i was 25 I am not the most successful artist but i do make extra money every month doing commission. I was obsessed and used every bit of free time that i had to practice drawing, it was really frustrating but also really rewarding, It's beyond pathetic these people with no practice, delude themselves into thinking they are artist only because they know how to use an AI slot machine. It took me less than a week (because i only messed around with it like 20 minutes a day) to learn all the stable diffusion tricks to manipulate the output.
Hell yeah, bro. Keep hustling. 🙌
This is called "labor-saving automation". By your logic, only manual craftsmen and not manufacturing workers using industrial machinery have the right to call themselves qualified laborers.
@@mikhailpetrovich8657 you call that "labor-saving automation"
I call it "a lack of creativity and passion"
@@mikhailpetrovich8657 Oh, they can call themselves qualified laborers, they just can't call themselves artists. Or even craftsmen.
How hard was it to start out commissioning pieces? I'm planning to do comms as well but I'm not at the level I'm confident to do so yet...
Is it just me, or are the people trolling you in comments the same as the AI art bros, just using AI to generate comments which sound like no human could have written them?
Lol the thought did cross my mind.
I’ll just quote my one of my French teachers:” Stop trying to kill me and use punctuation.”
I honestly started using AI art in december of last year. Guess what happened? In mid january I started my art journey, I'm bad? Yes but I'm in control. AI art was FRUSTRATING ASF, taking me HOURS to get an image that kinda look like what I envisioned. ANYONE with a creative mind would find this image bot (I'm not gonna call it AI nor Art, it's neither) a scam. It forces decisions based on people works and 9.9/10 won't even give you what you want but a sad "close enough" representation of what you wanted
Short story: I've used many excuses while using AI Art, for example, when I was a kid I loved to draw until some people forced me to be right handed because being left handed was "evil" and satan's hand or something. Welp, it gave me a lot of troubles and I stopped drawing so I used that excuse to use the image bot because I'm in my thirties now and was "too late".
But if you love something and you're a creative you will pick up that pencil and start doing your own thing, might be bad, might not turn out how you want it but it's you. What you produce gets better every time, even if in a small way and gives you something to be happy about, you made something out of your hands and not some image gacha that may or may not turn out okay. You can put anything there, and sky is the limit. I'm still struggling and I often put myself down but I draw every day and I love it, even in the most frustrating moment it pales in comparison to the frustration of pushing 1 button and hope it turns out the way you want for hours.
I can actually share my journey on instagram and see others and their journey along side me and this is something you can't replace. Also about the argument of "every work would be replaced by machine" bs, yes WORK might be but even in a world where no work is needed, people would still do art, that's what we're wired for, we'll sing dance and produce art regardless, art is the only thing that machine shouldn't replace humans because is the thing we'll do anyway in a fully automatic world to express themselves, to show appreciation of something or to create something new and they love.
TL,DR: AI "art" is bad
Hey man - sorry to hear about the forced right hand thing. I hate when I hear stuff like that. And I'm glad you started your art journey! It's never too late!
Just wnated to thank you for taking your time and comment this down and sharing your journey!
I'm sorry for what you went through. Being Christian should be a choice you make when you're old enough to make that choice for yourself, not by the will of other people.
I may still be Christian, but that was between me and Jehovah, nobody else. Shoot, even the bible says that baptism should be a straight confession of your faith, so that's why I hate it when babies are baptized.
Sorry for the long rant, but if I were there, I would express how dissapointed God would be towards those people.
Glad to see some good came from ai before it destroys the economy by replacing mega corporations. Good luck and keep pushing yourself forward. A wise man once said, do your best then do better.
I will never stop laughing at the fact AI bros are tryng to say AI generated images are art. When the LITERAL FUCKING DEFINITION of art is "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power." like HUMAN CREATIVE SKILL AND IMAGINATION. 💀💀💀 Like holy shit these guys are degenerate.
"This AI art piece took me an hour.. 😔" like stfu it didn't take you an hour it took you 25 minutes tops and the only reason it felt so long is because IT ISN'T FUN. Time always seems to go by faster when you're having fun, hense why 2 hours of gaming feels small compared to 2 hours of study.
Good observation!👍🏻
Oh yeah, so much creativity. I taped a banana to a wall. I am an artist.
When their generic creations enter the market places which they are, it becomes a competition. So yeah.
@@BeruleAdierantAin't no way you're comparing literal money laundering to actual artists...
@@Mrhellslayerz
They are consider artist too.
Even tho your art wasn’t up to your standards, it still had character and that’s a massive important part of art that ai bros miss the point on. I’d rather see art that’s “imperfect ” with a unique style and touch vs boring dead generic ai art.
Also ai “artists” act like you need to have some sort of special hidden talent to become an artist. When in reality, anyone can learn art. It just takes time to improve and develop your skills to do more. Also I’d say ai “artists” are more like commissioners rather than actual artists as they’re describing what they want to an ai to make rather than actually making it themselves.
I don't understand where this sense of "artists gatekeep me waah" is coming from, there are so many resources out there to learn to draw, I wish these many resources were around 15 years ago
I know, right?
So why do you get assblasted when people use AI to help them? That's gatekeeping.
What is most ironic, their excuses sound an awful lot like what the left would call "ableism". Even though most AI bros and tech bros in general tend to see themselves as "anti-woke".
@@BlargvsBlorg ai art is cheating
@@BlargvsBlorgThere is no "ethical" way to use AI art. End of story.
8:27 "You're not entitled to another person's work"
Aww, but I wanted someone to make me a mansion for free because I don't have the time to learn architecture and I shouldn't be gatekept owing a mansion just because I can't pay someone else to do it for me.
Lol. This logic is hilarious. In order to own a mansion, you need to know how to architect the house yourself? In the real world, people just pay money for things they can't do lol, like building a house.
@@udippatel6147 Democratize mansions.
@@udippatel6147 And like.... drawing and painting. And harvesting fruit and veggies... and making music that's how we work, we pay for what we can't do. Automation doesn't give you knowledge jut easier access to thinks without humans to what you have to pay for anyway (with your data or money)
@@Depressionwave2338 automation allows one to do a lot more, faster. And stable diffusion is free to download and use. It is a powerful thing that enhances anybody's capability. Imo it's a positive thing
@@udippatel6147exactly. So pay artists for art.
AI art bros have the same mentality as employers who want to use AI and get rid of employees
more like AI gonna only replace AI brozos
cause they have zero skill or uniqueness making them worthless and as valuable as spam mail
but yet again these losers are the product
the investors of these programmed image generator or PIG are the customers
the company are the developers
thats the whole chain
the artist is both creator and a seller maybe even more depends on ethics and popularity
but ai brozos has nothing
They celebrate the idea of people losing their jobs the same way.
@@Nogardtist Even if AI ENDED UP REPLACING ARTISTS (which it won't), they must be really naive to think that they won't be replaced as well eventually. Technology has no allegiance, my friends, it's only a matter of time before AI no longer even requires a human to write prompts to it. If artists end up being replaced, then it would only be a matter of time before AI bros also get betrayed by the technology they defend.
@@costelinha1867 AI bros are replaceable cause they got zero skills xD
@@costelinha1867 you are merely projecting and missing the point entirely. Yes, it's likely that AI image generators evolve to a point not even prompting is necessary. That would be a good thing for humanity as a whole, not bad. It's not a "betrayal", it's the very point of the technology.
Ai bros are weirdos
Guaranteed they are angsty atheist bros who spend too much time on twitter/X whatever tf
I really do not buy the "AI learn the same way humans learn" 'cause idk about other artists but I personally didn't learn from looking at 2000000 pictures online, I watch the thing I want to draw then I deconstruct the proportions and then I draw it.... Like dawg how is that the same
You're absolutely right.
Ai is very good at aping technical skill but it can't convey meaning at all
It is still essentially data in, process and product out, for both. Yes the human mind in exponentially more sophisticated right now but it is still the same process at the basic level.
@@OMGUKILLKENNY2 Reducing things to such a level of course everything is the exact same, but that would also mean a printer is the exact same thing as a human being "at the basic level"
AI is purely learning by heart how people do, it's basically looking up the answer and spitting them out in the test
We aren't just "more sophisticated" then AI, we're also just plainly processing things differently and processing a lot more things then AI is
The "data in" of AI is just pictures after pictures, that mean it's getting only the perspective of other people and none of it's own
Our "data in" is an infinity of moments we live through as well as complex emotional responses due to our own preconditionned neurology, without talking about the impact of the human condition of being a singular and limited segment in an infinite stretch of time
I'm not saying there's some sort of "soul" or anything making human special in an un-programmable way, but for me to call an AI an artist I firmly believe it would need experiences of it's own.
Not taking art that have been already "pre-digested" by other artists and photographs before, but actual mundane experiences and feelings in a robotic body in the real world.
But that would require to fundamentally change the way it learn (since it'd then be a single instance learning on it's own in real time instead of the sort of collective intelligence it is, plus it'd need to do many many many *many* more tasks for the robot body to work with the image AI)
That quantity of work for what would likely become only marginally more efficient then a human make it un-attractive compared to the model we have now, so I don't see image generation going further then learning to replicate already made art better and better without ever making anything new
I'm kinda scared that within 5-15 years game industry will collapse as an whole, due that people would able generate whole game without putting any effort, and gaming would enter into new age where "entertainment" will be home generated. Hopefully government will step-in and limit/regulate use of AI in artworks/game development, so art and game development would still be handcrafted work. Government must just recognize some "art protection act" or something.
I think the 'peak' of AI 'art' was around last year. It will rapidly decline. The massive influx of AI Art causes inbreeding among the generators that scrape off of unconsenting parties and leads to those imperfections to get more and more noticeable. There was an experiment done on this (I dont remember where it was but I will definetly link it when I come across it again)
Theres some tiny legal steps being taken (regarding copyright) so hopefully it will massively limit any AI usage soon, especially when you want to profit off of it (as it doesnt only affect artists, but developers, voice actors, authors etc.)
@@TobyStanon screen actors will be targeted too if any real legal restrictions aren’t put in place soon.
Same with animators.
The problem is, regulations don’t stop this. The reason people aren’t already making complete video games, movies, anime etc. is because stupidity is a prerequisite for going anywhere near a legal grey area. When the regulations are implemented smart people will start using ai and when the programs pull a Captain Planet corporations start to lose money by the truckload. If Disney “already on death’s door” goes bankrupt because there is a free alternative everyone they employ will lose their job. The more people lose their jobs the more people make their own free entertainment at home causing more businesses to collapse. This drives inflation through the roof and makes more people turn to free alternatives. The more businesses collapse the less ads are on websites meaning CZcamsrs lose money. Eventually the entire economy is gone and McDonald’s $1 menu becomes McDonald’s $1000 dollar menu. No revenue was made via ai in this scenario either. Ai was designed to “disrupt economic stability” not to help anyone. Makes sense that running ai through a thesaurus reveals it to mean lies.
Also AI "art" cannot be copyrighted so a game developer is unlikely to use it
I wonder how many ai bros copied their code to copy art.
Generative AI is the participation trophy of creativity.
Nah, participation trophies at least require you to show up.
@@nintai6656 Not to mention that participation trophies aren't built on top of a mountain of copyright infringement and plagiarism.
"Every artist I see is just an insecure weirdo"
Projection detected.
I think the best way that I can describe AI "art" is someone taking a bunch of other's artwork or photos from a magazine or book, cutting them up in to pieces, gluing the different pieces together, and claiming it's orginal.
that first guy fr went "have you ever had a dream where you you could when you could then you could make them so you then you uhh you then them them then you"
Atleast if your gonna validate your point speak with literacy LMAO, dude needs a grammer check💀
DUDE! Did you know that kid is LITERALLY an NFT Bro now?!
(wavywebsurf did a video interviewing him, a year or two ago)
Heres the thing: the first ever incarnations of Batman was traced from a native american comic and even though Batman is a powerhouse today the men who made him died broke. Copying simply gets you nowhere.
Ai art is ugly
It's got an ugly weird shininess to it, it has no particular intention, makes weird mistakes based on information it doesn't understand the 'why' of, and can't come up with its own ideas. Ai art is for people who only care about the end goal, and they usually don't even know any better to know that the output is factory produced garbage. I have never seen AI art I like more than something similar made by a real person.
Damn, that opening paragraph convinced me that ai bros struggled with drawing cause they didnt realize they werent supposed to eat the crayons.
I do really like your art though. Imperfect as you may consider it, the style is there. I looked at your other channel videos and i reallt admire how you put your art out there. Appreciate you.
Thank you. I appreciate that. But I'm always trying to get better! Sometimes you gotta accept your older stuff wasn't that good and learn from yourself in that way.
Thank you for watching, friend. 🖤
If these AI Bros spent a fraction of their time learning to draw as they do writing these unhinged comments, they’d already be better artists by now 😂😂😂
Honestly, watching Ai bros getting pissed over PewDiePie learning to draw, is so funny. These guys are so triggered by the idea that someone would genuinely want to put in the time and effort to learn how to draw, lol. But of course envious people like AI Bros would find a way to turn something that wholesome into a "problem".
Y'know the ironic thing is that AI bros love to call real artists sensitive to criticism, yet the same AI bros cry like a little baby when you criticize their so-called "Beautiful Masterpieces"
When Ai bros get upset, they give away their game and start talking about how us regular artists are going to be obsolete. Ahhh now I see, its all just a mixture of pure disdain and jealousy.
I started drawing my third year in high school and now im about to graduate college. Im PROUD of the art i make. Even in the past when my art was noticably worse, i was proud because I was actually putting in the effort to be better.
One thing i learned about art is that improvement IS GUARANTEED! As long as you keep up with it, learn and practice improvement is guaranteed.
Ai art machines give me the same vibe as those cryto money laundering sites. Where you put in people's artwork and mash them together till theyre unrecognizable, removing the effort and work of the orginal artists and come out the other side as "clean."
AI art is an excuse to not try. AI art gave a way for lazy, uninspired, incurious individuals to feel good about themselves by typing in a few prompts.
They do nothing but type prompts into a machine using hundreds of thousands of stolen artworks (without permission. Because its ALWAYS without permission) And get dopamine hits from thinking they did something amazing.
When comes to the works of creatives there's always this: "do first ask questions later." "its free real estate" mentality. Ill be impressed when they actually do their own work.
AI art is a tool. It has its uses for people who have need for generating many images but don't want to pay a months rent to an artist for commission. So while I agree with you that users of generators are not artists, I do think AI art has its place.
The worst society gets, the worst art becomes. Art is the reflection of the state of humanity in whatever stage we’re in. You need gatekeeping in art and every part of creating. If you don’t gate keep you’ll have every hack creating trash and calling it art. Art is supposed to be creating and showing the best/beauty of humanity, not the crap end of humanity. People who use AI art and call it art or call themselves artists are lazy, ignorant about what art is. It’s an excuse for everyone to put trash out there. But you can’t fool the human brain and it will separate the trash from the beauty of art.
Also that long crappy long comment you read in the beginning proves your point about so called “artist” using AI because they are lazy. So called artists wants to cut the creation time in half by using AI. That’s laziness. Art is sweat blood and tears. Art represents the suffering of the artist. Art is from the soul of humanity. If you don’t see the beauty, suffering and triumph in art then it’s not art. You can claim it’s subjective but whatever. Art is hardwork. Point blank
We all know any AI Bro who watches the video is gonna have everything you said go in one ear and out the other before commenting some of the most sad, depraved sludge in the comments. They don't want a conversation, they just want to "dunk on the haters" while not listening to a single thing they've said
Hence the image of Sisyphus.
Thanks for watching! 🖤
I think that first comment gave everyone brain damage.
I swear that I ended up getting multiple aneurysms for that shit comment.
What annoys me is when AI bros say I’m also a traditional artist. Yet most have no proof or are unwilling to show their work (probably because it doesn’t exist) as a way to try and justify their theft. Its annoying.
Ima real artist and THANK YOU for calling these talentless people out
ai bros want the respect of being an artist without the work. i just started my art account and i have to not only improve my skill but also gain that respect myself and put the work in, not just type in a prompt to get people to like my shit. if thats what you wanna do i wont knock it but they act like they are superior and talented when my literal sperm can make better art
Absolute truth. Good luck with your art and remember the old adage, no pain no gain.
I do agree that AI art is not real art. Real art takes time to perfect, the tool doesnt make the piece, the artist does. Even with how much specific the wording may be in a prompt it wont show the result that the client is thinking about (or possibly they could plug their brains in the program, idk how the future will work) the AI doesnt know for the time being the context of a creation or its meaning, so its going to be difficult to express yourself.
but if you keep giving these persons attention its going to be counter productive, because obviously these are attention seeking people that are gonna use the ai art for a while, realize that monetizing it is going to be difficult if you dont have imagination and will move on to the next trend. I am not sure if this is human nature to be so entitled, but it sure does look like it. Also you have funny glasses
lol thanks.
And don't worry - this is my last AI video.
Thanks for watching.
He may be giving them too much attention, but on the flip side, AI bros gave _him_ too much attention in return, thus boosting his views and subscribers. So, that's good.
lol i mean the Ai is the real artist while someone using ai art is a creative typer for prompt
Museum : "Look, don't touch"
AI Bros : "That sign won't stop me because I can't read."
AI Bros prompting images : "Look, don't touch."
I remember one of those AI bros telling me what are you gonna do bann free spech like a dictator? Just because I told him that my problem is with ai ussers calling themselves artist
If those AI bros can call themselves artist for using freaking stable diffusion and call it free speech them I can call myself an AI developer for having chat gpt to create a basic game for me and do the same see? It doesn't make sense sometimes the free speech card doesn't work 😅
Pretty much. Backs up my point about being a "record producer" for making a few albums.
Thanks for watching!
@@johnbrockiii it's like when a person tells you making a normal meal won't make you a professional coock it's the same with art but those NFT/AI bros will never understand that 🤦♂️
Pretty sure this falls under the category of false advertising. Especially if there is money involved and if not ai addicts aren’t involved so moot point.
@@nintai6656 believe it or not this was a real argument I had with one of those AI bros even if it was on the comments section of a random video on CZcams
@@ivancabrera3289 It's the same technique that lolicons and MAPs use when you rightfully call out their crippling kiddie pr0n addiction. They love to go "B-b-BuT, mUh FwEeDuMb Of SpEeCh" or cry "cEnSoRsHiP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
i swear that first one is sending me too an emergency room because i think his stroke is infectious.
I should have put the aneurysm meme in there, now that I think about it.
Thanks for watching! 🖤
The thing about style AI bros don't get is that when you say semi-real it can mean a lot of things so therefore hard to copyright but if you say in style of [insert artist's name] then there's an issue. You can only get a specific artist's look by stealing their art and putting it into a dataset because you can't get SamDoesArts' style by just describing it as semi-real. So you can say that there's style in a sense of generic description (which is not and can not be copyrighted) and then there's art of artists that is drawing in style of their preference, something that can be and is copyrighted.
Has anyone else noticed these AI tech bros to be huge bullies? They'll cry about threats but then act like rude children themselves.
AI image techs will stop generating their images if their metadata is tagged as such. Those that don't quit will take steps to evade metadata tagging. Tells you all you need to know.
i just noticed that your logo has the brand of sacrifice and the eclipse. thats really cool bro. good work man
For me, AI art should be just a tool, not a final product. I think AI pictures could be very useful for artists to create perfect references. As an artist who has been drawing for quite a long time, I felt the difficulty in finding suitable references, for example, when I need references of the folds of a certain outfit in a certain position. It is already incredibly difficult to find similar types of clothes in a similar position, but you also need these folds to look nice in order to use them as a reference. With the help of AI, you could set a certain pose and describe certain clothes and regenerate until you get a picture with suitable folds. And at the same time, you still need to know how to draw folds in order to understand that the AI generated them correctly and to use the references accordingly. After all, if you copy pictures without knowledge, the result will be bad anyway.
It makes me so happy that people are starting to realize how to properly use ai: a great tool for inspiration. Not just... whatever they're doing.
"A celebrity with about as much free time as"
I'm pretty sure being a parent gives you a pretty significant hit on your free time tho... specially if you're concerned on being an actual good and present parent.
The start of this video was incredibly hard, I felt my brain was glitching
(disclaimer that I am not an AI nor an AI artist)
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"It would be if art styles could be copyrighted"
But what AI datasets took wasn't "art styles" it was ENTIRE ART PIECES taken without the artists' consent. It's one thing to try and learn someone's art style, it's a completely different thing to take a bunch of pieces made by SamDoesArts, use it without his consent, and try to make a proffit out of it.
i like AI art but my respect goes to the hardworking individual
Its a little weird ai art wouldnt exist if artist never existed, it just be ai, and ai wouldn't exist if writers didnt either [another form of artist] so infact if our creative minds didnt belong in society they wouldnt either, theyd actually have to pick up a pencil and do it themselves but thats "to much work" yikes, ai artist arent real artist i stand by that, their thiefs/copy cats/ exploiting certain art forms
As a ARTIST who just started animation studies and whos been drawing since i could barely walk, all my hard work isnt just a couple of splashes on a canvas, its hand aches/charcoal on my face and sleepless nights sweating away at a computer, man im heated i can't-
Edit: in a way their also taking away the art of the computer programmers who MADE those websites so these ai art bros can steal others content its a little ironic
Today AI bros are artists.
Tomorrow they'll become programmers.
After tomorrow - space engineers.
After-after tomorrow humanity shall die as a species.
Why did they write their own comments?
I honestly think the first one was AI generated.
You know what? Im going to make a manga about this shit
Draw away, dude. Don't let the AI Bros break your spirit!
New Netflix original incoming! I might finally subscribe to Netflix to watch that. Good luck and have fun.
Ai art? More like ai fart
Wait, this is how I find out that Nick Carter's brother died??
Sorry it was this way. Yeah, I think he had a drug problem. It's honestly really sad. Hope he found peace on the other side.
AI bros the type of people to put rigorous amounts of energy into relentlessly screaming and crying to justify their garbage arguments instead of actually getting a talent for once in their lives.
AI art doesnt even create its own art, it just takes whatever copyrighted artwork it scraped from artists galleries and web pages and compiles it into a dataset of stolen artwork.
As a self taught artist I am seeing this infesting art submission pages.
To any AI art bro that makes excuses for these AI generators, theyre obfuscating and outright ignoring the rampant art theft these algorithms have enacted upon talented artists.
Typing in some words in a AI generator to make it bring up datasets of scraped (STOLEN) artork does not make you a skilled artist, youre nothing more than a client or some bootleg faux director.
These AI Bros just seem weird to me. I can't wrap my head around shitting on real artists while acting like AI is oh-so superior. I enjoy using Stable Diffusion just to play around with it. I'll sometimes show the results off to friends on Discord (specifically those who I know won't flip their lid purely because it's AI), but I will always make it clear that it's AI-generated. My best friend and I are both artists; he draws by hand and has been doing so for as long as I've known him, while I've almost completely moved away from hand-drawn and now do things in 3D. As much as I enjoy Stable Diffusion and AI in general, I don't see it making real artists and their work obsolete. AI is convenient as hell and thus isn't going anywhere, but man-made works are still valued for good reasons.
Also, holy hell that first essay of a comment hurt to read! My brother in Christ, if you can't learn to slow down and proof-read what you type, install the Grammarly extension. Nobody's taking you seriously if you type like you fell asleep in all of your English classes.
unfortunately i have come across AI created art that resembles, how should i say this?... art that looks awfuly close to the Netflix "cuties" poster, if you know what i mean.
So i can say with confidese that AI bros are creeps
"unfortunately I have come across Manga art that resembles, etc. So i can say with confidence that Manga artists are creeps" - your logic reasoning needs work
Unfortunately, I've come across handmade art that's....how should I say this? Closely resembling a certain netflix poster. So I can confidentially say that artists who use their hands are creeps.
they use both of their hands@@nothingnothing3947
@@PanoWorksmany h manga artists love lolis and or shotas so much
I mean, it's the same crowd that thinks there's nothing wrong with nudify app or deep fake porn.
They're 100% sick and insane
Speaking of scams, check out Jazza’s video on accidentally buying a drawing guide book online… put together with AI art
1:11 "These people deserve to suffer" - Umm... maybe I'm misunderstanding the meaning of the verb "suffer" here, but not being able to make great art without putting in the work is not "suffering", it's just entitlement. Sure, it would be amazing for me to be able to dance like Fred Astaire, but I haven't taken a dance lesson in my life, so I accept that I suck at dancing and move on. It's not the end of the world my man.
"You can't throw shit randomly"
But artists don't do shit randomly.... just because you have 0 experience in art (hence why you're not an artist, you don't even know how the process of making art actually works) to understand the purporse of each stroke, doesn't mean there is no purporse.
Probably talking about Modern Art, either that or they don't know
AI bros would say you should do a walk in the park driving the latest SUV because it's faster, less tiring and more efficient than walking and call you stupid if you don't.
One single point is that hand drawn art will never die... because people don't draw as content... yeah many people may use their art as content like to get money and stuff, but at the core of it, people draw because they enjoy drawing, and there are people who enjoy watching people draw and get the result with the inaccuracies of the human hand. So yeah no need to worry about "AI Art Taking Over" I mean people who unironically be AI art bros don't enjoy art in general and only see them as content or a way to get money....
5:40 is this person thinking that robot should take over the world is a good thing?
i like how ai bros actively seek out videos about ai being bad just to be pissed off
tlder: ai art tech bros dont wanna spend time and actual effort honing a skill and will use a mediocre tool to create their shitty "art"
I sketch just as a hobby, I love the process of making my own art and in my opinion it is a very learnable skill, if you can doodle a stick figure, congrats you did an art. Btw like the vid and the previous vid.
56:53 If the AI/Robot-made meal costs less, or can be made at home, I'd probably take the AI over the human most of the time.
I could normalize higher quality meals in my diet without sacrificing my wallet.
I cannot make Michelin Quality meals. I could lean how, but I don't plan on becoming a master chef. I have other dreams.
It would still be nice to benefit from such a quality meal. There's only two options for someone like me: human made (which will cost more due to labor) or AI made (which would cost less).
and that's logical just how many people who can't afford good clothes buy from mass facturing that do more damage but can't buy quality clothes. problem is even people that can afford used these things (which is also logical) so cheaper will always win. It doesn't always mean meals or art will vanish but the market will be smaller and smaller depending on people who not only can afford but willing to pay money. (this isn't an attack just a deeper look)
I myself played with AI art for a bit (I'm a character artist by the way and have been drawing for 20 years, so let's just get that out of the way) I had hoped to use it as a means to effectively generate thumbnails and reference ideas for things I wanted to draw up... only problem is, it never really came close to what I was thinking of. This made me realize two things: most people using AI are likely just playing slots till they get something they like, and, "Man, is this what people picture when I describe my ideas? This is even more a reason I need to draw this stuff myself!"
love it when they say AI is just a tool, like yeah bro, its a tool for stealing art.
thank you very much.
Even if it those claims are accurate, the "AI learns exactly how Humans learn" argument would only ever hold water if we were talking about sapient/conscious AI that's making it's own decisions.
However, we're not. We're talking about a product built upon stolen properties and made by corporations to generate profit for themselves, whether through direct subscriptions or the data they collect.
28:47 Do more sped up burps! Had me rolling hearing that 🤣
As an artist myself, I can see a pretty relevant question raised by AI ort: "How do we value art?"
I knew from the very beginning and even told some friends that they would eventually start charging people for these generators. And to no one's surprise, they are.
These poor greedy bastards think corpos will let them use such an efficient technology for free. They're just letting dumbasses PAY to correct the algorithm for them, lol
Yes, AI is able to make beautiful pieces and any artist who says otherwise is coping immensely. No, people who tell a machine what to do are not doing anything themselves unless they are the ones who made the machine.
However, most AI ort bros and lesser skilled artists are looking at it only from a technical pov. Every machine has limitations, and the biggest limitation of AI ort is that it cannot deliver the human intention.
Andwhat the heck does "intention" mean?
When prompted to make an artwork, a skilled artist has a bunch of processes, paths toward a specific goal. Concept art differs wildly from caricature, which is different from key art, or card illustrations, or environment design, etc.
Each area has a different intention that the mass can only interpret subconsciously, but it takes an experienced professional to truly appreciate the subtleties. AI doesn't do that.
An AI generator made by the masses for the masses will always look the same because most people can't - and won't try to - understand why an image causes a certain range of emotions. They think "oh yeah big titty girl in school uniform, mm artstation samdoesart, pretty, hot woman, beg breasts" and the output is the average meaning of these words. There is no thought behind it, there is no questioning of "does this color temperature feel joyful?", "does this silhouette feel heavy?", or "does this gesture line feel dynamic?"
Art is a form of communication made by one person to another. If you take one out of the equation you'll end up devoid of meaning.
Watching two AIs interact is fascinating, but watching someone talking to an AI is just ridiculous. AI is a lesser consciousness, it is made by people, and nothing can become more than the thing that made them exist.
AI ort doesn't "democratize" art, it just emphasizes the obvious: give freedom to an idiot and he'll end up imprisoned by his own ignorance.
As for the inclusion of AI in the artist's process, yes, it IS a valid point so long the artist has enough understanding to correct the fundamental mistakes the machine makes.
But one can't master the fundamentals if he won't even bother starting from the very beginning, and for now correcting AI is more time consuming than making an artwork entirely from scratch.
You made a long and thoughtful comment, so I felt it deserved a serious reply from at least someone, late as it is! Here goes:
Corpos will do what corpos do, which is to try to make money. They WILL try to lock down AI to make money from it. But that horse has already left the barn! There's already a very active open source community. I play around with AI image generation with Stable Diffusion on my own computer for fun, and I don't have to pay anyone a dime for it. And I actually think Stable Diffusion is BETTER than paid services like Midjourney. Because Midjourney gives you boring and "safe" results, just as you might imagine from a soulless corpo product. Meanwhile, there's a bazillion of Stable Diffusion models to choose from, and they're truly all over the place! It's the Wild West in the open source AI world, and it's a very creative and fun scene.
I would agree with everything you said about art and human intention. But it's really a moot point, since AI art isn't about art. It's about pretty pictures! Funny pictures. Sexy pictures. What I think really upsets artists about AI art, is that most people actually have very little interest in art, and then they get all excited about all this other *lower* stuff which isn't even art at all. They're 100 % correct in making this observation, but they're idiots when they try to fight it. You can't fight human nature, and you can never force a genie back in the bottle once someone let it out.
AI image generation is here to stay. The corpos will base their models on fully licenced content to protect themselves from legal repercussions (as corpos always do!), so there goes the artists' entire argument about "theft". Moral high ground denied, legal standing denied. What are they going to complain about then?
The "AI bros", of course! The lowlifes who keep using stolen pictures to tune models they share on the internet for free. Fighting these people is not an impossible task, since you could plausibly set the legal apparatus against them. But that would take money. The likelihood of artists bringing down the open source AI art community is practically zero. The corpos selling access to their awfully dull corpo AI art generators might decide to do it though, if they feel they would gain from getting rid of the competition. But that would not remove the AI art scene, it would just force it underground. When has that ever stopped human beings from doing what human beings want to do?
Meanwhile, smart artists will continue making art, and they will adopt AI as a useful tool. Not by "correcting" the AI's output, as this will always remain more work than it's worth. But by using AI to create interesting random ideas that serve as inspiration and help the artist get out of a rut. AI art is immensely useful for exactly this. And you paradoxically need Stable Diffusion, not Midjourney! The soulless corpo products aren't very inspiring at all, but the wacky open source models are! The "AI bros" are actually helping artists by creating an awesome inspirational tool for them!
So some sort of truce seems to be in order. Let the AI bros play with their toy. Yes, they're going to scrape everything interesting they can find on the internet and bake it into their model. Then they give it right back to you, as an inspirational tool. The paradox here, is that the more good art they steal, the better this tool will be, because the creativity and artistic inspiration the machine can provide an artist doesn't come from the machine, it originated with the artists whose work was stolen. So in effect, artists are merely helping each other by being "stolen" from, AI bros are just baking a cake for artists, from ingredients provided by artists.
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From LAION which is a German based institute which collects links to pictures. In Germany there are two exceptions for text and datamining. One for research institutes, which is completely free do whatever you want and one for non-research text and datamining - meaning anything that is not made by a non-profit research institute. LAION, even though it thinks of itself as research institute collects data like a non-research institute, meaning it uses common crawl which respects machine readable opt-outs.
Article 44b and 60d of the German Copyright law, if you want to read it for yourself. So if you want to opt-out from LAION you write into your robots.txt that you don't allow common crawl on your website and you legally opted out.
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Last year I spend over $2000 on artists, mostly Japanese, through novels, manga and doujinshi. I love artists, and I spend most my money on them.
18:39 just a quick interjection here, that data could also come from photos, that´s also visual data, like a drawing.
28:40 here's what I know about making Stable Diff run locally; you need a REALLY good PC hardware if you want images larger than a post stamp. In fact, with PC required by Stable Diff in order to create images, you can render a blockbuster movie with Blender 3D which is also free.
Ok so, I am someone who's on a more flexible perspective about AI and art but also like, if you think art is just "throwing shit at a canvas until something comes out" then your perspective at art is insulting
I tried AI "art" and it only encouraged me to pick up drawing again.
Good luck with your drawing and remember that no tool can achieve more than you are able to make it. Work on you not your equipment.
"The one using the tool holds the responsibility"
Correction, the ones using and the ones MAKING the tool, holds the responsibility. If a tool is for example dangerous, a safety hazard, do you blame the user? NO! you blame the people who made the fucking tool!
You videos on ai art made me really want to try improving at traditional art. Thank you!
Mission accomplished. 🖤
Good luck with your art journey and remember, for one who doesn’t give up winning is a forgone conclusion. Trial and error doesn’t work without mistakes. It is as satisfying as it can be frustrating until you learn that failure is a step in the right direction.
Algorithm images is a bit akin to throwing images into a blender, then squirt out some artistic abomination.
Bro, this has to be a large scale troll......... Wtf?? the guy did a video drawing some stuff AND GOT HATED OUT OF THIN AIR!! I bet PiewDiePie didn't even mentioned "AI" in his video....
He did not.
for about 22:06 Ai/machine doesn't work like humans. (than the copyright for ai image would be the ai's not the human that uses it lol) ai generative art doesn't even have artifical intelligence/consciousness. it doesn't understand context they just generate what it thinks we want or what we PROBABLY want through data. It seek patterns and generalize on what we mean by something (image or prompt).There's an ai image with cut up salmon in the river, the ai didn't understand that salmon is a fish in a river too. Two meaning words f up ai because ai doesn't understand choice or context.While humans have well brain, with complicated hormones, mamories, associations (and learn pattern, or rules like lighting, color theory etc which the ai clearly somehow doesn't know) this is why we have psychologist and stuff not coders for our mental illness.
The ai takes pieces of pictures and throws them together to fit the text input
The human looks a pictures and modifies them logically to fit into the piece while making concious decisions wether they really want to put that in or instead do something else.
Human art will always have a better concept and ai art can't become better than human art cause it can only become as good as human art.
Yet hyperrealism can't be recreated by an computer cause the whole thing is that it's not an photo but in fact reconstructed with paint or whatever by a human onto a canvas.
Plus ai can't use paper and pencils or clay or stone or whatever non digital medium a human can use.
so how do we keep them from dominating algorithms and the front pages of art sites and
legislation - mandatory metadata for all generative AI, like a "GMO" label, but for art. Set in law, with stiff penalties to the 'author' for failure to comply, and penalties for hosting / indexing services for including hosting / including them in datasets knowingly, and a DMCA type structure for including them unwittingly, with provisions for generative AI detection capabilities; that is to say, if Google *could* reasonably detect an image as AI despite the lack of metadata and includes it in their Image results anyway, a fine it is. Make it hurt in people's wallets / freedoms, it's the only way.
Sounds really difficult for something that hasn't been proven to hurt the wallets of actual artists quite yet, there'd need to be more evidence of that and that is extremely difficult to get. My comment was mostly rhetorical, like it doesn't matter how dishonorable an AI artist really is, for some reason, somehow, they still dominate all the art sites even if you haven't been viewing those types of images prior.
ai bros is the living proof of dunning-kruger effect. They are always act like they are art god, in reality the ai is always easy to use and accesible from the first place make everyone in the world with nvidia gpu, internet access or basic english grammar can produce the same thing. And also unique ai artstyle or prompts gatekeeping (yeah this happen) kinda useless since everyone can lora-train them or use image to prompt plugin
"There are so many amazingly talented artists out there who don't become artists due to a lot of different reasons. One of which is that they don't enjoy doing art"
if you don't enjoy doing art, you're not an artist, if you never BECAME an artist as that comment said, then HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF AN ARTIST?
If you don't like doing art, then you're not an artist, period. It's not gatekeeping, it's just common sense, it's like calling a person who doesn't like Star Wars a Star Wars Fan, YOU CAN SEE, THAT THEY'RE NOT A STAR WARS FAN! THEY LITERALLY TOLD YOU! THEY SAID THEY DON'T ENJOY STAR WARS! HOW CAN YOU BE A FAN OF STAR WARS, IF YOU DON'T ENJOY STAR WARS?! Same goes for art, HOW CAN YOU BE AN ARTIST, IF YOU DON'T ENJOY MAKING ART? WHEN THE WHOLE POINT OF BEING AN ARTIST, IS MAKING ART?
I'm not an artist. At least not a visual one. I like to write, but I lack the mind's eye and patience to learn to draw/paint, or anything like that. I still despise AI art and fully support real artists. I repeat the same thing on a lot of such videos, but it's important to me. I just want to say to any and all human artists that read this. I don't care if AI art manages to perfectly capture what I want down to the pixel due to some miraculous breakthrough. (I hightly doubt it will.) There's something special... Something emotionally invested in a piece that's created by a real person that makes it worth so much more to me on both a moral and financial level. The absolutely contemptable way that AI bros behave towards the real artists, which they need to feed their algorithms, only further solidifies this feeling in me. Real artists. You have the support of a lot more non-artists than you know.
I don't know when the tech will plateau, but it will, sooner or later. Contrary to what the cult of the singularity seems to believe, the technology isn't self improving. It's got some very human people designing the software, and has very human limitations to it. It's not AGI.
36:50 nice subscriptions, i miss 8-bit music theory
That intro😂😢
Like why you gotta read their comment like that? Lol
Please artists, let's continue making art!
Look, there's nothing wrong about liking drawings of naked women, as long as you're not weird or creepy about it.
Haven't watched the whole video yet so maybe this will come up but here are two further points:
.AI art bros are some of the most unimaginative people I've ever seen.
.I'm not religious but I heard this description which I think really sums up the situation: We're all God's creation and so we all have a bit of something divine in us and that comes out in our work. Not so with AI.
Great video! As a GPU programmer I have a lot of respect for the power of the technology, but recreating Van Gogh's Starry Night in order to rent seek just ain't it.
Your schoolgirl reminded me of a weird comic I read where the female character was replaced by a Jojo character.