The Definitive Way to Play Sonic 3 (And More)
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- čas přidán 27. 11. 2019
- Take the long, strange journey to discover what's happened to Sonic 3 and how to get it back.
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To install Sonic 3 AIR, really, all you have to do is extract the files to a folder and run Sonic3AIR.exe. That's all.
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Here's the USB adapter I use. You might need a different one. Researching what you need is on you.
www.amazon.com/dp/B01GGKYXVE/ - Hry
For those of you wanting me answers as to why I didn't talk about the Sonic 3 prototype, and other music-related questions, I posted a second video -- though it's more of a podcast. czcams.com/video/XXXWt7BUFsU/video.html
Just gonna say, for Carnival night zone, some elements of MJ's Jam was used, having an identical sound of the word "Jam" used in the MJ song. In act two there is a window smash sound, its noted to be the same as the window smash used in MJ’s “In the closet” Also if one wants to know more about the music's history in-depth here is a really good vid czcams.com/video/_Uko0fCp86c/video.html.
Yeah you can play sonic 3 & knuckles with Steam. But What about sonic mega collection?
@@Wrench55154 Casino Night Zone should never have made it into a Sonic game. Maybe 3D Blast but not a fast paced Sonic game. A complete cluster fuck maze with those God awful bouncing and floating things everywhere. Music or not, that zone and Metropolis Zone are by far the worst in the 2D Sonic games (Labyrinth from Sonic 1 was bad too but not as bad as those other two.)
@BlazeHedgehog
Or, you know, you could just explain that this video was created and scheduled before _Hidden Palace_ dropped that bomb on us, and you (and your editors?) didn't feel like adding an in-video addendum. Which, honestly, would have been a really good idea? But, whatever.
Your vaguely hostile comment has been noted and applied to the credits sequence of this video.
Sonic 1&2 on Mobile only:
“Let me out, let me out!
Sonic 3 on Steam only:
“Let me in, let me in!”
Exactly! xD
Why steam only, they could just put it on the console e-shops
Just use an Android emulator. It's completely legal if you don't pirate.
Illford Official
Legal problems
sonic games on playstation:chillax guys!
GUYS CYBERSHELL'S BACK-
oh nevermind
This comment hurts like a knife
At least BlazeHedgehog can actually upload regularly.
@@mmgmagic ouch
Ouch....
@@mmgmagic I give this insult a solid 5/5 on the cuntometer
"I don't like to talk about piracy."
*spends ten minutes in detail on how and what to do*
Lots of yakkity yak in that section of the video.
@@Kokomadeta Agreed. It was entirely unnecessary.
It's a legal defense. Technically he was not telling you to do it, therefore he is innocent if you do it.
Sneak 100
Yeah, how about NOT telling the world hints about how Sega could be sued...ffs
"You can buy Sonic 3 on Steam right now"
Oh how this video did not age well...
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Man, I could listen to you talk about Sonic's history for hours even though I know most of this already. You're just a chill, nice dude.
Same. So satisfying
Yup
Agreed
It doesn't make sense for him to be unsatisfied with the sega genesis hardware at all.
He had already released the Moonwalking game for the Genesis four years prior and also had a Master System version of the game.
He most likely already knew what the genesis was and wasn't capable and was ok with it enough to release a game with him as protagonist and with his musics as soundtrack for the game.
The statement that he didn't like the genesis sound capabilities was probably a PR movement in the attempts to save face. He was already being bashed left and right. They probably just wanted to avoid giving more attention to the accusations.
So, it's not impossible that he didn't like the sound of the genesis but it is mostly unlikely and I would dare say it's a bit naive to truly believe it.
Yeah, that never made sense to me either. Dude had a bunch of old Sega arcade games, he knew fully well how his stuff would sound on a Genesis.
The Moonwalker Genesis game was based on the arcade version though, right? So... I'm not sure if that counts?
Yeah, and the sound quality in the arcade version isn't bad. A little scratchy, but coming out of an arcade cabinet speaker, it probably sounded pretty good.
I grown up playing the classics
I always assumed he was comparing the sound quality of Sonic 3 to that of Sonic CD. In that case, ya, the difference is huge.
18:57 - 19:14 Welp, that's it. You've earned my subscription right here. So many channels are scared to talk about emulation, and when they do, it is mostly "DON'T! EMULATION IZ BAD!" Glad to see you're practical instead of moralist.
Also, I just came from your Definitive SADX video, and I'm only halfway through this one, but I can already tell the quality of your content is top notch. Keep doing your thing, man, we need more talented content creators like you in the Sonic community. I hope your channel blows up soon, you deserve it!
Fun fact: You can actually play as Knuckles and Tails in the Sonic 2 retro engine remaster as well. If you manage to access the sound test, level select, by entering in 00, 00, 00, 00, you can access an advanced options menu with some of the options from the Sonic 1 remaster, and some entirely new ones. Among these new ones? The ability to play as Knuckles and Tails.
Menu be like:
24:28 - I just want to make a note here that these uncompressed roms are all roms that can run in an emulator of your own choosing.
yea and you can use shaders like anti-dither to blend the colors, Sonic 3 AIR should use that also
@@gamerxt333 Why the fuck would you want to emulate composite?
@@bardhi09 Probably nostalgia purposes? The same reason people still use old film cameras.
@@bardhi09 Because certain games were visually designed to take advantage of the quirks of old composite video and these quirks are gone in clearer and more modern video output methods.
For example.... You may have noticed that in some genesis titles, you'll see clouds that are made up of white dots with 1 pixel gaps between them in the foreground.
On old composite CRT displays, the white pixels and the gaps blur together, to create the illusion of transparency.
Since modern displays are much clearer, and in much higher resolution, the illusion is ruined.
This was something I actually wanted to add, but not only that, but you can get whatever ROM hack (or "mod"), or worse, pirated ROMs, without even needing the game pirates are using to illegally distribute games. Users can go into where they downloaded their Steam Workshop content are found and get the ROMs that way, so that means what Blaze mentioned about how people can pirate games like the Genesis Aladdin game by using Ristar could pirate the game for free, which is even worse. I personally never used the Workshop to abuse or promote piracy, that and I was also strongly against and called out people that were condoning it, but I did use it to try out actual ROM hacks like Rouge in Sonic 1 out by getting that ROM hack and sticking the modified file into something like RetroArch, Fusion, or even the "Simple" launcher (which is actually DRM-free unlike the shoddy Mega Drive & Genesis Classics emulator) and use a program to pack the ROM hack to a file the "Simple" launcher can use.
This was a wonderful breakdown, no detail spared. These videos are great, thanks so much.
I love seeing other sonic youtubers commenting on sonic youtuber's videos lol
A dream would be the widescreen ports of 1, 2 and 3 to Steam as a collection in one purchase.
Your wish is granted, you're gonna love Sonic Origins :)
This guy predicted the future
would never happen
Wish granted
Sonic Origins is a kinda
Carnival Night has the breakdown and a voice sample from Michael Jackson's Jam, and the Knuckles theme uses the base line from (iirc) Blood on the Dancefloor.
Sonic 3 is the magnum opus of the Genesis. Before Sonic Mania, almost every classic sonic fan would rate it as their favorite.
@Frizzurd that's the biggest cap I've ever heard. Literally everyone and their mother considers it the best genesis game hell, the best sonic game ever made. That and mania imo for me
I prefer Sonic 2 more
Frizzurd no 3 trumps the first 2, and when were we talking about the 3d games?
I rate sonic 3 and knuckles 10/10
@@BlueflagAlpha try sonic 3 and knuckles sir
I mean, they could always use the music from the prototype.
If that were the case, I'd pass on it. I heard Launch Base Zone on the prototype and those jams it ain't it.
I heard even those original tracks have legal issues.
@GenesisGems They don't even the rights for Sonic 1 and 2's music, although contracting the music for those games are way easier since both of those game's osts are owned by one guy.
you mean the songs they ended up using in the sonic and knuckles collection?
They could do that, and while the fanbase may be okay with that, SEGA might not want to release what they perceive to be a sub-par version of the game.
This is the first video I've seen from your channel and the thing that stands out greatly to me is the fantastic production value in your videos. It's so professional and clean.
I just found your channel because this video was in my recommendations and i love the stories and development of sonic games especially sonic 3 because of the whole controversy surrounding it and all, anyway what i wanted to say is I’m glad I clicked on the video because you narrate it so well and so i subscribed and shared this video so others can watch it too if they desire and keep up with these types of videos because anything development based is always good especially when someone can keep me locked in to the video by the way they narrate it.
"Genesis has a horrible sound chip for voices"
20:13
It can do much better than that, too
czcams.com/video/KsMRe_QenvU/video.html
it's not the soundchip that is the issue
it's the programming
@@TorutheRedFox fair enough, but the video didnt say that at all.
I never said it did
@@TorutheRedFox just to be clear, I meant no disrespect with my last comment, my apologies if it came off that way. I honestly had no idea it had anything to do with programming, but this video makes it seem like its just the chip all together.
For Apple device owners, You can also play the Retro Engine Versions of CD, 1 & 2 on Apple TV. Especially good since tvOS 13 now supports Xbox One & PlayStation 4 controllers (like iOS 13)
Edit: Not saying you have to buy one, just letting people who happen to have Apple TV’s know this is another way of playing these.
You can do the same on Fire TV, which is much cheaper and simpler.
I won't buy an Apple product just to play one (two games)
Ditto for Chuchu Rocket despite my love for the original Dreamcast game
ikagura That’s fine, just wanted to state that this was another way of playing the Retro Engine versions of CD, 1 & 2.
@@vincells does fire tv support xbox one controllers wirelessly?
@@quamsta Yup
"some of the most ported games of all time"
[laughs in Lemmings]
@Keoko Murdock Chess: What the f#*@ are you talking about?
Your videos are very good and informative.
Edit: The video was probably edited before the info was released but the PC soundtrack was actually the original soundtrack.
Nice PFP.
hey everyone, its me! The voice of Brad Buxer! Bask in my glory!
This is the first video I have ever seen from you, and it was really really good. Very informative, and entertaining! Thank you for creating this.
I start to feel like no one talks about Sonic Classic Collection for the DS, It had S3 and S3K on it and was basically my childhood
Carnival Night Zone included samples of Heavy D's verse were he says "Jam" from Michael Jackson's song from the Dangerous album, Jam.
Wasn't there also beta leaks for sonic 3 where the music made by Jackson associates wasn't there, or was the PC version music
the beta leak had official vers of the pc tracks in the SG sound chip
Yeah that was pretty recent though he might have started making this video before it was known. Definitely further supports the idea though that MJ, and Buxer were involved in the music late in the project. My guess is they started replacing the tracks. MJ pulled out of the project for whatever reason towards the end. And in the mad rush to finish the game on time they left the music he worked on in it. Later when the PC version was made they used the original beta music instead.
The beta came out as he was editing the video. It's in the credits sequence @ 27:30
Thing is, lets say they can't release due to the beta versions music not being fully finished and sound bad. Well the PC version already did that, so it's literally already done, if not without a potential remix.
It just sounds like sega doesn't understand or doesn't want to do the work. Despite that Sonic 3 on it's own is perfect for a standalone release if they include all the feature the game could have. For example the PC version of sonic 3 and knuckles lets you choose which of the 3 games you want, sonic 3, sonic & knuckles or sonic 3 & knuckles.
Then we have the option for either 2 games or the pc/beta soundtrack, the original or official release level layouts (like launch base being after carnival nights), the option for big arms to be added or removed in sonic 3 and knuckles along with many more! Sounds like good value for 1 game right? That without those crazy ideas of adding things like the dropdash back into the game (yes it was in sonic 3); maybe adding mania graphics, sonic 2 sprites and more!
@@lPsychoMax ...so pretty much Sonic 3 Complete with the drop dash?
the Sonic Mega Collection and Sonic Gems Collection on the GameCube have every Genesis and nearly every Game Gear Sonic game, so it hurts that they're not doing that anymore :/
Wish I had all those in rom state at least
All points considered here, how did the mega collection and Sonic Jam on the Saturn escape the legal ire. At some point there has to be a new collection. I would gladly pay for a new legal retro engine version.
@@luissantos2727 the same reason S3&K is on Steam--they didn't realize that it was a legal issue until pretty recently
Good job! This is an excellent piece to show anyone who isn't 100% familiar with Sonic's Genesis history and current status.
You can also play Sonic 1 & 2 Retro Engine versions on a PC using BlueStacks
Bluestacks is nice n all but lags a bit
You can play these mobile exclusive ports on PC too, but it will require an android "emulator" (usually it works more like a compatibility layer or virtual machine, but it's easier to call it an emulator). And it's legal too, as you can buy them as usual and the android OS is free.
An actual steam version would really be miles better tho
I gotta say you did a hell of a job with this video! Answered a lot of my questions regarding Sonic 3 and gave me a lot of info I didn't even know I needed.
Fun fact: the pc music of sonic 3 is actually really old, it was used in the VERY first prototypes of sonic 3
@ 7:32
I am so glad that someone other than myself pays that close attention to detail that a simple sound effect of passing a goal, although post may seem miniscule to most, but to those that were either there when this game was released or those that are analytical when it comes to detail that even the smallest sound effect matters... I've seen some people not caring that the release of the TMNT arcade game by Arcade 1UP say that it doesn't matter that they rerecorded the main theme song rather than using the original recording of it due to a licensing issue. That's a "MAJOR" detail issue to me... Thank goodness for the MAME emulator 😁
Fantastic video, great job on making everything so clear and informative. I appreciate your production values in terms of editing and motion graphics as well.
Long live Sonic 3!
Great content, dude. Thoroughly researched and highly produced!
Michael Jackson: 10:15
Me: *pauses an 8-bit remix of a modern song* Sorry, what?
This man's voice is straight up official.
No offence because it's probably just his accent but he sounds like he has a testosterone deficiency or something.
Sounds like the voice you always hear in audio book
You've got a well constructed vid about 3's situation here, I love the explanation of the music/rerelease problems.
However, I don't think the game has a real "definitive" version yet. This comes to its conclusion partly on AIR being the most "legal" option, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the end-all version of the game to play.
AIR is a great game and certainly has the potential for becoming the definitive version, but right now it's still a fight between that, S3C and modded S&KC: Each has their own unique features and (aside from 3C) modding systems to offer - naming one of them as the definitive version at the moment relies more heavily on opinion than say, Sonic Adventure (Which has mods covering everything you can think of on PC).
Eg: Even considering the mods available right now AIR has yet to include say, 3C's Flying Battery customization and the scene it adds between LBZ-MHZ, nor does it offer the extensive music customization offered by modded S&KC. They can be added, but that's why right now it only has the potential to be rather than being the definitive version.
I still say Sonic 3 Complete is the best version I've played.
The definitive version was released in 1994.
Hotobu Well it was until (somewhat) recently.
Honestly AIR is the most similar to a retro engine version of 3&K.
Wow, man. Just - wow. I could tell that such love was poured into the making of this video. Thank you for making this information so accessible.
This is the first video I've seen of yours, but you've got yourself a new subscriber now, and I'll look into Patreon too. You deserve it.
Cheers Blaze, thanks for being with us.
"But before you click off-" Accidently clicks off.
Me: Wh-oops (clicks back on video to continue listening)
Very nice and well researched history section! There's just one thing: The replacement compositions in The Sonic & Knuckles Collection (PC) weren't created just for the PC port; they're actually prototype compositions from before the Michael Jackson collaboration. The recently documented prototype of Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (Nov 3, 1993 prototype) proves as such.
*EDIT:* Whoops, I missed your note at the end. Sorry.
Thank you so MUCH for all your hard work archiving Sonic's history and information. Great presentation as always.
Four, there are now four official ways to play Sonic 2 (and potentially Sonic 1 as well) on the switch now:
-The Sega Genesis Classics
-The Sega Ages version from M2
-The Nintendo Switch Online's new expansion pack
-The upcoming Sonic Origins Collection
Just something:
Since the Steam version of Sonic 3 is emulated (duh), ANY S3&K ROM will work on Sonic 3 AIR.
Mariann Mariann
So Sonic 3 Complete is usable
@@NativS2002/playlists/playlists - Probably not. The checksum and header for the Complete ROM may be different to a S3&K ROM file, as they are very different internally. For AIR I don't use the Steam S3&K ROM file, you can point it to any S3&K ROM file, i use one that I archived years ago from those Rom sites before Nintendo declared war against them.
(Sorry about the /playlists thing after you name, i don't why it's happening and don't know how to get rid of it)
Huh, this guy really does sound like Feel
Fun fact: now that the new beta has been leaked. It turns out the music in the SEGA PC version of sonic 3 and knuckles has actually the ORIGINAL music of sonic 3 and knuckles
It's a topic of which I've seen many videos on, especially Jackos involvement in Sonic 3 but I must say that this is the best edited, presented and factually based one ive seen. You have a real talent for these mini info docs 👍
Aw man, its a shame that this video doesnt include information about the recently discovered Sonic 3 Prototype that bassically answers EVERYTHING about the music concerns regarding the game. But anyways, i completely forgot about AIR, i heard about it when it was brand new and i instantly forgot about it, but now i have an excuse to actually give it a try!
Sonic 3 air is awesome however it has a bit of controller issues, the sega mini USB controller works in gameplay but not in menus so u must use the keyboard for menus... And if u have a original sega controller with a usb converter cable it workd in menus but not in gameplay because for some reason it controls tails also and that leads to issues... Having that said i havent tried any input translator but "Joy to key" so mabye it works better with another program that can decode controller inputs better.
There's a podcast he did talking about the proto :)
@@TailsGuy72 that's the reason why he never mentioned the proto in this video, he wanted to save it for the podcast.
@@thuongbuianhhedgefishsuppo7550 Actually, i think he started writing this before the proto was revealed, so the podcast was made to talk about that.
@@TailsGuy72 yeah, that's possible.
As of right now there are 2 days left on the Humble Sonic The Hedghoge Bundle 2019, and in the $1 tier you can get Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
Eeeeejole, I would love to be a patreon RIGHT NOW, but I will become one once I have enough money to subscribe. You, and Choa are literally the only YTer's that not only cover the things I love, you go in depth. Your channel randomly popped up on my algorithm a while ago, and choa about a week ago or so. Anyway, thanks man. Great content. And I have no doubt you'll blow up in the Sonic community.
carnival night zone had a LITERAL direct sample of Jam from MJ's Dangerous album. Its surprising you missed that one out as it was the definitive sample to kick off the whole MJ/S3 connection. Actually discovered by me, Ben2k9 (my old alias)
Sonic origins: um is this a bad time?
Pc: so first time?
Sega be like: Sonic 3? What's that? We never made a sonic 3, u mean advance 3?
7:38 Even the text on the top left corner is mirrored with the gameplay, Such detail even in 3 years it is still awesome!
TNice tutorials is literally the best tutorial on CZcams. It's right to the point, and very informative at the sa ti. Thank you so much
Sonic 3 AIR looks like the best version. While S3C is certainly a very cool experience, it does go into fangame territory, whereas Sonic 3 AIR is simply remastering the game which is exactly what I want. Same with Sonic 1 and 2. I really don't enjoy playing games on my phone. 😆
Nice video, man.
It is going to change because of sonic origins
it should of been "And Knuckles" in the title
Good comment!... Looks familiar though... ¬_¬
I have been wanting widescreen PC 3&K forever. Thanks for enlightening my spirit body on this.
Excellent video! FYI: Sonic the Hedgehog 3 is also still available on Xbox Marketplace for the Xbox 360 and it's compatible with the Xbox One. Your video just answered a question I had in mind... I often wondered why is it still available there and I checked the release date (6/10/2009) which also predates the lawsuit.
It’s not compatible with Xbox one
TylerrYun Yes it is. I’ve recently beaten the game on XB1
Your getting views back!
Congrats Dude
Huh, he does sound like Feel.
Love videos like this. Well researched and thought out.
I dunno about well-researched, he somehow missed like seven different ports of Sonic 3
Now that Sonic Origins has been released, you can now play Sonic 3. Sure, some musics are different from the original version, but it doesn't bother me that much. I'm just glad I got to play and beat the game. Also, I've got the Sonic Jam version of the game on Sega Saturn which has the original background musics some of which Michael Jackson was involved in, but I didn't play it quite properly. I only played and beat the Sonic Origins version.
Origins has much more problems than the music
Great video. You ought to have titled it differently, because when I saw the title I just thought "A.I.R., duh", but you went so much deeper than that.
Wish there were better ways to play the Retro engine versions of Sonic 1+2, because there are other problems that come with controls, there are other problems that come with playing on mobile, mostly related to screen size and stuff.
Excellent video! Subbed!
I rather enjoyed this video and found it very informative. Thank you very much. My friend and I have been talking a lot about these old Sonic Games lately and some of this I didn't know in so much detail. ^_^
Holy shit Dan from Gigaboots was right this guy sounds exactly Feel lol
There is still one re-release you forgot about. Sonic 3 WAS included in Sonic Mega Collection + actually, and its a great port! Unedited soundtrack too!
I used to have the original Sonic Mega Collection back on the GameCube and Sonic 3 + Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic 3 & Knuckles are included in that collection too and was a great way to experience that game, but sadly those collections are super expensive nowadays.
ViperAcidZX I got sonic mega collection plus for £5 for my Xbox 360.
And the Wii Virtual Console.
And the Xbox 360 store.
And the Xbox One store.
And the Sonic Classic Collection for DS.
He missed a LOT, dude.
I hope you're really happy because of this your videos are amazing I subscribed
Flying Battery had some of the most godlike music of all time.
carnival night zone has elements from "Jam" by Michael Jackson.
it also contains a window crash sfx and vocal samples that don't work well with a MIDI.
6:53 *YOU MEAN I SPENT 25$ FOR NOTHING?!* IM GETTING A REFUND BECAUSE I REALIZED KEGA DOES THE SAME THING BUT IT'S FREE
I hope this AIR thing will be fully complete. I wanna speedrun this game in all its best glory
14:13 *Cough cough* It’s gone…
well shet. Good thing I still own the Steam version
Sometimes it feels like all of this legal stuff is made to punish us
Welcome to capitalism
TheHumanSonikku the government doesn’t care much about Rom downloads as much as they do movie and CD downloads, because Hollywood has always had the government in their pocket.
@@STRONTIumMuffin rather have an inconvenience in my life than be in jail for wanting the game
@@corpsemachine6949 you will not go to jail trust me
@@STRONTIumMuffin "Hey! Piracy is theft! That's illegal! You better not do it or else we'll... we'll...uh...huh."
The closest I can get to playing Retro Engine S1 and S2 on my PC is via scrcpy, a free, open-source phone mirroring program. And I can apparently play them with my keyboard.
Or, you know, via an Android emulator or something.
Nah, I'm sticking with scrcpy. It's a good, lighter alternative to emulators if you only play like 1-2 mobile games at a time. I only play S2 and TerraGenesis atm. And I can easily play the same saves while away from my PC.
It's also a phone remote control that lets me make calls and messages or check for messages and notifs w/o having to leave my keyboard. Haha.
One more word:
On the Steam workshop mods, you can use the in game "quick save" feature. I think it needs to be mapped to a key first, and is used by holding down the key until a "loading" animation completes (I suppose this minimizes risk of accidental quick saves)
Alternatively, one can fish the hacks out of the Steamworks folders, and use in an external emulator. They're often unmarked, so this could be a hassle if you use a lot of mods.
Now just seeing this and I’m extremely grateful for the info. One thing I’d like to add is for Sonic 1&2 android you could always use bluestacks to get the full monitor/controller experience with less hassle.
11:21
When he finished that sentence I instantly yelled "AH AH, AH AH"
Sonic just started blowing up out of nowhere
Loved the video man, it was actually a great watch!
I hope your channel continues to grow because I love this stuff :D I'm gonna go off on a tangent, but don't think I'm hating here because I'm really not, I just have passion for emulation ahahaha
I too use Emulators for everything related to my channel, but at 18:10 while I completely agree that some Emulators can be a BALLACHE to run, I was a little shocked when you said it takes 'obscenely' powerful hardware to run certain console emulators at full speed, I'd disagree to some degree! Snes9x is a great emulator and doesn't require much power and is relatively accurate to 99% of people who aren't bothered around accuracy, while it's fair to say BSNES can take a ridiculous, ridiculous amount of power while being the most accurate.
You'll find that on the Speedruns live website, scores are only accepted for Snes9x and zSnes which aren't that taxing on hardware. They must be accurate enough to be negligible compared to a console at least due to that ruling.
If you're upscaling native resolution, or trying to get the highest quality then yeah it can be difficult as all hell... The DS emulator I use won't run at full speed on 4x native resolution, but it looks incredible at 4x. I don't know if that's an issue with the software optimisation or whether it's the hardware of my laptop, but the laptop is a 6 Core 12 Thread i7 7850h processor... So, I feel like that's powerful enough that it should manage, but I know emulation CAN be taxing and does take multiple times the amount of processor power to actually run games, I just can't see a DS game being that bad hahaha
Anyways, I've had a drink so I'm sorry for rambling. Feel free to hit me up on twitter, I'd enjoy having another CZcams friend with content like this! Good luck!
Nice video Blaze!
For Sonic 1 and 2, I plug my tablet into my 55 inch 4k HDTV with an hdmi adapter and then use my MOGA Pro controller for the ultimate experience! I feel little to no input lag with Game Mode B and the Game Mode visual setting.
The DS classic Collection included Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Every zone got to keep its original soundtrack. Do you know what that is?
Why Sega released so many other versions of Sonic 3 with the Michael Jackson soundtrack intact is one of the great mysteries surrounding this game. Music licensing is a complex thing. It was long rumored that the music licensing for Sonic 1 and 2 were held up for a while, too.
The musician behind those games, Masato Nakamura, was part of one of the biggest pop music bands in all of Japan. The rumor was that he was charging Sega huge licensing fees for using his Sonic music, but Sega had a loophole where as long as they left the music in its original format (the Genesis FM synthesizer) then they either had to pay reduced fees or they didn't have to pay any licensing fees at all.
The way I understand it is, when it comes to music, you license the song itself and the PERFORMANCE of the song separately. So let's say you want to use Queen's "We Are the Champions." First, you pay to license the song itself, which is the notes and the lyrics. Then, on top of that, you also license Queen's actual performance of the song, meaning Freddie Mercury's voice, and the band members playing their instruments. In some cases, each band member is a separate performance you have to license individually, making their songs very expensive.
It's possible that Sega thought they were safe as long as they left the music in its original, untouched Genesis FM Synthesizer format, because in theory, they own the performance. With Masato Nakamura's music for Sonic 1 and 2, he would compose the music at his studio, and then send the recordings to Sega, where Sega's sound engineering team would translate Nakamura's music to work on the Sega Genesis. In short, Nakamura owned the notes because he created the song, but Sega owned the performance because their sound engineers translated the music.
This prevented any new versions of that classic Sonic music being generated. Sega could only use the original 16-bit versions. No remixes, no remasters. That seemed to change, as Sega apparently buried the hatchet with Masato Nakamura for the announcement of Sonic Generations. They had him on stage and that game was one of the first times Nakamura's music had been remixed possibly ever. Since then, Sega seems to have a much easier time using those songs in new projects, so maybe they bought the rights or something.
We don't know if any of this is true with Michael Jackson's Sonic 3 music. If the people that worked with Michael are claiming that Sega owes them money, there's clearly some legal problem happening behind the scenes and it's tangled up the release of any new versions of Sonic 3. The Sonic Classic Collection on DS was released in 2010, and these legal threats are from 2012, so Sega released it before realizing there was a problem.
BlazeHedgehog oh, that makes sense.
You seem to never half-ass anything, not even comment replies.
It was made in 2010 right? Maybe there was less risks for an handheld console
@@BlazeHedgehog I would just like to mention that numerous sonic 1 and 2 themes did appear in games remixed long before generations.
Examples here would be Green hill remixes in Sonic advance 3 (2004), Sonic battle(2003) and Sonic adventure 2(2001)(and I would also like to mention that in 1996 huge parts of Green hills them were used for the song "Marry me"), Scrap brain zone ,Starlight zone and Sonic 1's and 2's boss themes in Advance 1 and of cause the by Masato Nakamura band performed song Sweet Sweet Sweet which was used as Sonic 2's ending theme for Sonic Story end theme in Sonic the Hedgehog 2006.
(and technically did even every track from Sonic 1 gets 2 remixes in Sonic Genesis on the GBA)
And in fact did Sonic in Lego Dimensions not have any of his actual classic tracks because Travels Tail simply didn't had the right to them because unlike most tracks from 3d Blast and up does Sega not own any of them and as such aren't there included in the sonic License.
@@BlazeHedgehog didn't they remix green hill zone in sa2?
Michael Jackson lost it 'cuz he wasn't able to include any "HEE-HEE's" and "SHAMOANA's" in Sonic 3 due to the Sega Genesis' audio limitations, so he moonwalked the hell outta the project. 🕺-------------->🚶
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@@youtubeadmin1588 Sigh...
random guy: -"What did the 0 say to the 8?" ;^D
random nerd: -"Excuse me, sire! But numbers do not talk!" B^|
Those lo-fi sounds aren't "HEE-HEE's" and "SHAMOANA's", anyway... ¬_¬
But he's able to put "WOOO" in there. Check out the Sonic 3(Not and Knuckles) Miniboss theme, that's something. By the way, I love your comment, really funny :)
@Frizzurd I'm sorry but stfu plz
7:08 "It has some sound problems."
In Sonic 3 and Knuckles, LAUNCH BASE HAS IT'S SPEED AND PITCH DOWN A BIT. IT WAS SO JARRING. This is why Kega Fusion is the most superior Genesis Emulator. It has literally no problems at all. Amirite?
sonic 3 complete is pretty awesome, I love the corrected level order
20:28 THIRTY FUCKING DOLLARS?
WHAT THE ACTUIAL FUCK DISNEY?
when you said that sonic 3 got no ports near the start, an ad for sonic origins played
Both Sonic 3 and S3&K were released with all original music in the "Sonic Mega Collection Plus" for PS2, released in Nov, 2002. This means it couldn't be an association or rights dispute issue, as that would have precluded its release with those music tracks, as well. For the difference between PC port vs other systems ports re music / sound issues, it is more likely, PC ports may not have been able to correctly play those particular music files and Sega didn't have the technical foundation to properly port those particular tracks in time for release schedule and thus had to go with a Plan B.
If you look carefully, I list Sonic Mega Collection near the start of the video.
The special stage themes little details are more noticable but that's all i could really point out
To be honest I’m surprised any sonic 3 content appeared in mania.
@Kailem the Hedgehog Angel Island too, kinda
And the elemental shields
There are gonna be a lot of people that don't bother to look at the date this was uploaded who talk about sonic origins
Fantastic video, really interesting points on potential lawsuits/liabilities that I've never considered before - and I really must give AIR a try!
Yes, I tried to close that Pandora ad smh.
F for the mobile port...
And for Sonic 1&2 mobile outside of phones
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F for people who want to play sonic A.I.R but they only have a phone (like me)
@@mattok101digitaltamer9 F
@@Skellotronix oh damn calm down
Also for PC Collection, you can install the mod loader and some mods that restore the Genesis music instead of midis
But what about midi In general? There were always awesome tbh. (The “Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth” Thing can Go to Hell However.)
If you are wondering, it juts requires Sonic 3 and Knuckles data for AIR, I don't have the steam version but I can still play Sonic 3 AIR
Ok Mr Feel, we all know it’s you.
It's true, we've never been in the same room at the same time
I can play S3C on my Linux box, Android phone, real hardware, Dreamcast, etc
Sonic 3 AIR is Windows-only. Wish it wasn't so exclusively one platform.
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Euka is making an android port, but it will take some time, it now has a Mac Port. And a linux port is also in the works.