CLP Showdown - MIL-SPEC Break Free vs Clenzoil vs Ballistol
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Hickok45 convinced me years ago that Ballistol was the way to go. I haven't used anything else in over twenty years and dozens of firearms. Nice video.
Hickook45 inspired me to make CLP test videos!
Aint broke dont fix it..been using Ballistol for over a decade.
Gotta clean up after firing all those boolits!
Same here - Hickok showed me ballistol and then it blew me away.
@@fndrr42ballistol doesn't lubricate well at all clenzoil will eliminate a large ammount of metal wear, meaning that less metal will be shaved off with use metal on metal watch the project farm video
Having watched your whole CLP compilation, I can only say 'wow!'. A big thank you for your dedication to these very informative videos.
Thanks for watching! I've got a couple more CLP reviews coming up!
I still have the Hoppe's No. 9 glass bottle/box (refilled from a plastic bottle) that's in my dad's Outers Gunslick Rifle Kit. He passed many years ago. So whenever I smell the Hoppe's and get ready to clean it brings back great memories.
It's funny how smells can trigger memories. 3in1 oil makes me think of my dad cleaning his shotgun.
I use Ballistol on all my pistols exclusively. Its pretty amazing how old it is, completely safe, and effectively removes carbon. As a lubricant vs wear, Ballistol is a little suspect, so the answer is to clean after 2 to 3 range trips.
Thanks for watching!
Good review ,Magdad! It fit right in with my Sunday morning westerns! Good stuff!
Thanks Vic!
Personally, I've never been in *so much* of a hurry that using a single product for both cleaning and protection / lube was necessary, but it seems like Balistol did a decent job. My current process has actually been a bit of column A, little of column B. I use Hoppes 9 for cleaning, CLP for wipe-down, and a needle-tip applicator of Clenzoil for lubrication (more or less following the strengths of Project Farm's video from a while back which lines up with other testing I've seen). If you're in the military and don't have time to spend an hour taking care of your gun after a range trip (or for general maintenance of your carry) then for sure, something that'll do it all. But if you've got the time to do it properly, it seems better to use multiple agents playing to their strengths.
Good testing, and thanks!
I also use Hoppes #9 and a quality CLP.
Now I have to get myself a can of Ballistol because Magdad and Mr Chuck use it LOL... good clean testing Mr Magdad and the Western Spaghetti music reminds me of watching Clint Eastwood Spaghetti western movies 1964 A fistful of Dollars and 1965 For a Few Dollars more Hey take care see you on next Sundays video
Thanks Roger! Mrs Magdad and I thought the music was a good fit for a showdown video!
These tests are always interesting and useful. There are really some useful lubricants out there and I appreciate your work in keeping us up to date. So far I dont see t he need to move from Hoppes 9 for cleaning, and Remoil for short term preservation. I've never tried Ballistol though, so I think I'll try it out. Thanks.
Hoppes #9 + Rem oil is a good combination Pat!
I switched over to Ballistol because it’s non carcinogenic and works great.
I'm one of those people who can't stand the smell of Ballistol.
Is hoppes 9 carcinogenic???
@mikeb2687 I don't know if it's carcinogenic, but it has ammonia, amongst other things are classified as toxic.
@@Resistculturaldecline So is Ballistol save then or would I need to use gloves with it?
@mikeb2687 Ballistol isn't toxic, no need for gloves. It's actually not harmful (but surely unpleasant) if ingested, minus the aerosol product that will have gas propellant in its composition.
Thanks 357magdad for your testing. However, one thing you didn't test for was lubricity. ProjectFarm's testing shows how much better Clenzoil's lubricating properties are. Personally, I think lubricity is the most important characteristic for gun oil/CLP in moderate climates. Ballistol and Hoppes appear to be a relatively inferior lubricant. Break Free appears to be a much better lubricant than Ballistol and Hoppes . Clenzioil appears to be MUCH better than those 3 by a wide margin. I personally use Kerosene for general cleaning, Hoppes #9 Bore Cleaner for barrel interior, Clenzoil for overall lubrication, and an air compressor for blowing out, and to distribute the oil. I do realize that a CLP is meant as an "all in one" product", but I've found the 3 separate products do a better job than any single CLP. Also, Fluid Film as corrosion protection for long term storage.
Thanks for watching! I like to run my GP100 pretty dry. I feel like the benefits of lube would be cancelled out once it attracts burnt powder. I think this may also be true for the slides on semi autos. A tiny amount of synthetic grease may be a better option if lubrication is required.
Good point. I totally forgot about revolvers, because I don’t own any. I was mainly speaking to semi autos. I should have clarified. There are so many variables as well. I’m one of those that completely remove all residue after every use, so there is less chance for whatever lubricant to turn into an abrasive slurry. I do realize that I’m probably in the minority, as most gun owners, don’t clean their weapon as often. A liberally lubricated weapon that is not cleaned regularly after use could certainly have a negative effect due to wet surfaces attracting residue and becoming abrasive/gummy over time. Apparently some polymer guns such as Glocks don’t need much lubrication at all. I’m guessing due to the loose tolerances and minimal slide to frame contact, as opposed to metal framed semi autos with full contact along the rails, such as 1911s, CZs, etc. I’d love to see some lubricity testing of high-end gun greases, not oil, against Clenzoil.
Well executed test Magdad and interesting results, I will have to look into just what products I can get hold of at reasonable cost here in the UK ! Thanks for your efforts testing these !
Thanks Andy. You should definitely be able to get Ballistol.
It’s always good to have some confirmation on what time has shown me personally.
On a side note. Nothing that dose everything is as good as something that is meant to do just one job.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks David. I agree - I like to use Hoppes #9 along with a good CLP.
@@357magdadDo you know if hoppe's #9 is a carcinogen?
Great job MagDad. A very well controlled test done to good scientific standards.
Thanks! I would call it hillbilly scientific...
Great test! Always interesting seeing the results!!
Thanks Mike!
That was a interesting test. Thanks for sharing this review.
Thanks John!
Great video pal! I use Ballistol first and foremost for the skin safe attributes, but it always performs well for everything else too
Thanks for watching!
Really helpful! I'm a big fan of Ballistol for all the reasons you mentioned.
I'm glad the video was helpful!
I believe that was a very fair test. Great video!
Thanks Erick!
It was like watching the super bowl!😃 Great info thanks for doing this.
Even better IMO 😂
Thanks Tony! I should've had Chuck do a halftime show!
Great info. I will continue to use Hoppes #9.
It's hard to go wrong with Hoppes #9!
Great comparison video of all four. And I looked for Clint Eastwood to jump out at any time and shoot a hole through each one of them....
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching! I hope to do some more CLP videos in 2024!
Good stuff Bud!!☻
Thanks RoadKing!
Good video! I use Ballistol mainly for cleaning guns that have been fired with corrosive priming, mixing it 10:1 with water. I don't mind the smell at all. I also use the Ed's Red (no Acetone) mixture for cleaning as well.
Thanks for watching! Check out my Ed's Red tests:
czcams.com/video/bkIKJ1LYepY/video.html
czcams.com/video/oeq7u0G4MZg/video.html
You make an outstanding video with excellent information. Your demo convinced me that Hoppes 9 is the best general cleaner, with Ballistol also being very effective at cleaning carbon. I don’t know if Ballistol is as good as Hoppes for cleaning other gun residue besides carbon. I do know that Ballistol has a very unpleasant odor, and for that reason alone, I no longer use Ballistol. It’s terrible smell permeates the air in a gun safe and really is awful.
Thanks Craig! I'm also not a fan of Ballistol's smell.
I use Hoppes and Ballistol both, The only thing I don't like about Ballistol is the smell, Hoppes smell much better lol. Nice test btw
Thanks Dale! I am also not a fan of Ballistol's smell.
For the initial cleaning, it would be interesting to see if the Hoppes and/or Ballistol cleaned the areas that weren't successful in the Clenzoil/Break Free areas - just to show there wasn't a local difference in the steel or burning temperature that accounted for the failure.
This is so fun to watch. I am that guy that use to pay to have my pistols cleaned. Decided to start doing it myself and have been looking for the best spray on clp. Your vids have helped me a lot. Looks like Ballistol is going to be it for me
Thanks for watching! Let me know what you think of Ballistol!
@@357magdaddecided to go with Clenzoil. Hoping I made the right choice, feel like I did.
@@357magdad wait, you can get paid to clean guns????? That would be a dream job. I love cleaning firearms. I find it relaxing
I spray Ballistol on the battery terminals of my vehicles. Prevents corrosion.
Very reassuring. Your more scientific approach confirms my personal positive experience with Ballistol over many years. I prefer it over Hoppe‘s for its safeness to environment and health. Otherwise Hoppe‘s is a great product too. Haven’t used any of the others.
Thanks for watching! Ballistol is very versatile!
Great Test! Thank You!😃👍
Thanks for watching!
Very well done. Any chance of adding radcolube to the test of the final ballistol and breakfree test ? Radcolube comes with high recommendations and is well priced. Thanks
Thanks for watching! Radco lube is on the list!
I started using ballistol after watching Hickok use it like nobody’s business on his glocks..I agree that it almost creates a seasoned cast iron coating on my g19..smell is ok to me..great comparison!
Hickok45 is who got me started testing these products!
Very interesting thank you for the video
Thanks for watching!
Love the spaghetti western showdown music...LOL
Mrs Magdad and I thought it was the perfect music for this video!
My own experience with Clenzoil has been similar. Not that great of a cleaner on its own without a bit of work and elbow grease. I would never have guessed it would be so bad at rust protection. It's not like I am going to go swimming in the ocean with my firearm, it is still interesting and informative. Thanks for the video.
I would like to see a test with Breakthrough Clean's military solvent and CLP.
Thanks for watching Chris! The Clenzoil performed much better when I left a thin film of it on the metal.
Great video. I have Ballistol, Breakfree and Hoppes (and one or two others in supply). Prob. not going to be a Clenzoil person just because of timing. The other 3 seem to have been getting the job done very well for a very long time. Gonna stay with these. Cleaning and taking care of gun in a reasonable way with these and you'll be good. Significant copper fouling in rifles might need another product for best results. Take care of your guns and they will take care of you.
Thanks for watching! I did a review on Hoppes Bench Rest Copper Remover:
czcams.com/video/Bc46EYQT6t8/video.html
@@357magdad That is the one I use lol. Have a bottle that's prob. 10 to 12 years old and 95% full that would go bad (if it already hasnt) before I use it all. Might get a fresh bottle and see if it comes in smaller size :)
FYI, 3-4 months ago at the Caterpillar Corrosion Conference; sherwin williams gave a detailed analysis about testing procedures. To the engineers. Long story short the ideal range for corrosion is around 5-9% mixture for maximum corrosion. 1tsp is 5.65 grams. A cup of water is 240ml. You’re at about 2.31%. Try 21 grams per cup of water or a tablespoon+teaspoon per cup of water.
Edit: also it might be a good test to show copper fowling removal. I don’t Balistol can remove copper fouling.
Thanks for watching! I tried to simulate copper fouling in one of my original comparisons:
czcams.com/video/WCk26fJ62II/video.html
Next time you do a test, try distilled water for your corrosion test. Distilled water is really hard on paint. We painted distilled water tanks with pure epoxy paints.
Thanks Robert!
Thanks, I've been using Hoppies 9 and Rem oil. Based on this I can just get the Ballistol and be done with it.
Hoppes + Rem oil is a good choice. Ballistol can replace both if you can put up with the smell...
good to know! @@357magdad
I stopped using the Ballistol because it seemed to provide very little actual lubrication. Its a good cleaner but I use Clenzoil now because the better lubricity is noticeable and my surface wear has stopped after switching over to the Clenzoil.
Thanks for watching!
Great work, Magdad. Ballistol works very well. Some people like it’s aroma, but unfortunately for me, I can’t stand the smell of it 🤮. Now Hoppe’s on the other hand…🥰
Thanks Roy! I'm not a fan of Ballistol's smell either.
I use Clenzoil and the ProjectFarm video showed there are products that protect against rust better than Clenzoil (as you showed) but it was the lubrication qualities that sold me on that product. I'm assuming some specialized equipment would be needed to do a lubrication test that is consistent and accurate. That Clenzoil did as poorly as it did in your carbon test was a little disheartening but I always use a brush anyways. Clenzoil does have some aroma but it's not as bad as Hoppes IMO. I still have a couple bottles of Clenzoil to go through but you've given me something to consider on whether or not I try a different product in the future. But again, the lubrication properties of Clenzoil are great and that's my main concern with a CLP. Are any CLP truly great at all 3 or is there always one aspect it might lag a bit? Is the two step process better (using Hoppes 9 and then oil for example) or is a CLP generally good enough at all 3 that with regular use, your firearms will be adequately cleaned, lubed and protected? I used to be a two step cleaner (first Hoppes 9 and then I switched to Shooter Lube) but about a year ago I switched to CLP and thus far it seems to suit my needs. If nothing else, CLPs simplifies the cleaning process a bit.
Thanks for watching! I'm working on a simple lubrication test - stay tuned!
Still doing a two step with Hoppes 9 as a cleaner and Clenzoil as the lubricant and like you, I saw the ProjectFarm video and seeing as I don’t swim with my firearms, and they are already cleaned, lubricity became my main objective which Clenzoil out performed other CLPs. I used it today and just cycling my firearms, they are noticeable more slick. Smells like mosquito repellant or something.
@@alfaalex101 Yeah, there is an odor to the stuff. Not the worst but definitely helps to have some ventilation.
Useful stuffff... always good when it's not a sales pitch...
BTW ever think of getting a old beat up gun stock to refurbish ...🤔🤔 gotta know your stuffff though...anyway great video...🖖
Thanks Chuck! I've always wanted to clean up an old bolt action 22.
How do they fair if you cleaned the metal strip oiled the squares with CLP product then put powder and light it, will the oil protect the metal from the heat leaving no marks?
Thanks for watching Tony! Check out this video:
czcams.com/video/kRnEmq-I6pc/video.html
Just a pro tip, ‘DO NOT’ mix any of these. The result will dissolve any rubber or silicone parts, like gas rings in BCG’s.
How will mixing them do that but not by themselves?
Something else not covered that you all might like to know is that Ballistol can be mixed with water to become what any black powder shooter will know as Moose Milk. It's about 9 parts water to 1 part Ballistol (some recipes may vary).
This is great for people shoot corrosive ammo or black powder OR if you have a particularly foul rifle that needs to be rinsed with something. When the water is gone, the Ballistol stays but I still follow up with pure Ballistol when the heavy lifting is done.
If you are shooting corrosive ammo or BP, start with pure water first, then moose milk, then Ballistol at the very end.
Whats the point of making moose milk when you can use straight ballistol?
@@Or3guns Straight Ballistol or oil for that matter, won't get rid of corrosive fouling. Only water will do that.
Very nice test Magdad! Have you ever tried Lucas CLP? 🇺🇸
Thanks Roger! I have!
czcams.com/video/M_f2edj9pto/video.html
@@357magdad Thanks Magdad, i watched the video and i think i wont be buying Lucas CLP again as it is also pretty expensive!
Can you do a lubricity test as well. I know project Farm did this already, but in order for information to be reliable, it has to be repeatable.
Thanks for watching! I haven't come up with a simple and inexpensive way to test lubricity.
In California salt spray, humidity, moisture etc aren’t a problem where I live. Burnt powers etc are. I’m using ballistol right now and according to your test I’m using the right stuff since I don’t have to worry about rust where I’m at.
Thanks for watching Michael! Ballistol works well as long as you can stand the smell!
I Like the smell of Hoppes that and Marvel Mystery would make a good cologne
In my opinion Hoppes smells WAY better than Ballistol.
i love ballistol, but the smell of it makes me nauseous. so i use hoppes number 9 for powder removal and finish up with breakfree. similar finish without getting light headed and smelling like ballistol all day.
I'm also not a fan of Ballistol's smell.
Looks like Hoppes is the real winner. Great test.
Thanks Larry! It's hard to go wrong with Hoppes #9.
Idk, ballistol had the same results but no need to lubricate after as its a CLP.
Good video. But would have been better to use the Clenzoil foam cleaner saying I'm pretty sure that was oil to clean the burnt powder off.
Thanks for watching!
Radcolube CLP in my test beat them all 👍
PS. Thank you for your testing and your hard work. I appreciate it.
I'll have to put Radcolube on the list!
Which Hoppes #9 was used? The gun bore cleaner, or lubricating gun oil?
Standard Hoppes #9 bore cleaner.
I make my own cleaner and lubes but for ages Hoppes #9 and Ballistol have done a wonderful job in the past.
Thanks for watching John!
@@357magdad yw man. Just for info Hoppes #9 used to have nine ingredients but now has five I believe. The older stuff must have been awesome.
Great job, I was considering trying Clenzoil. I have been using Ballistol for years with great results. Think I will stick with it. Thanks
Ballistol definitely performs well, as long as the odor doesn't bother you.
In terms of pure lubrication i think Clenzoil takes the cake. I'd much rather put it on my bolts. Though for surface rust protection I think i'm gonna stick with Hoppes 9.
Definitely utilize clenzoil for lubrication. Based upon actual research and testing, there is nothing arguably better out there for lubrication. I'm not sure why it appears here with cleaning products when it's really a lube.
CLP’s are more CONVENIENT for defense forces weapons than Civilians weapons.
A good bore solvent, some elbow grease and then any decent oil final patch is all there is to it.
I personally prefer Shooter’s Choice products( Hoppes smell is very strong) !
Now than Shooter’s Choice is history, BALLISTOL is more than adequate replacement. I just love it ❤
I'm just the opposite - I love the small of Hoppes and do not care for the smell of Ballistol.
Hoppe's has been around a long time for a reason. Relatively inexpensive and works well.
I agree Stephen! It's hard to beat Hoppes #9!
Nice test, I use Ballistol even though I don’t like the smell.
Thanks Ron! Ballistol's smell is also not my favorite.
Please test EEZOX if you get a chance. Think you'll be surprised. I use it to protect all my knives in storage as well as other items as indicated
I'll add it to the list!
There is an older CZcams channel called “German Tool Reviews.” He is not posting any more, but that’s where I learned about Ballistol. His channel is still up if you like good tools.
Thanks!
Now how do they protect against salt spray compared to plain old gun oil?
Check out my corrosion protection comparison video:
czcams.com/video/88lQp6ob1O4/video.html
Like this stuff..
I'd like to see same test..
But..powder burns x10, X 50 x100 to replicate multiple rifle firings.
As
I'm interested in preventing carbon build and removing it.
Im using boretech , eliminator, copper remive and carbon remover.
Still developing my approach.
Removing (and preventing) carbon seems the hard are more (potentially) serious issue for me...shooting 17rem,
204r etc.
Happy with G96 complete gun treatment for bolts...and😅..it smells nice...😅😅😅
Thanks for watching! Give good old Hoppes #9 a try!
I always use a brass bore brush, so no big deal for me. I shoot and clean my guns often keeping a fairly fresh application of oil on at all times. So corrosion has never been an issue for me. The biggest and most important thing for a C.L.P. to do for me is lubrication and wear resistance on metal to metal contact point like the slide rails and the barrel and lugs. Clenzoil is far superior for that than Ballistol.
Thanks for watching! I'm working on a way to test lubrication - stay tuned!
I dont know anything about those products. Are they intended as a cleaner and final treatment? I see Ballistol used by a lot of people seemingly with no complaints. I myself always use No 9 cleaner and wipe down with oil afterwards with no complaints.
CLP's claim to be do-it all products. I came up with these tests to see if they can replace a dedicated bore solvent like Hoppes #9 and also offer corrosion protection.
@@357magdad maybe its the tinkerer or low level autism in me but I find the cleaning then oiling process very satisfying, lol.
Ballistol is pretty darned good on airguns especially, and is safe on seals 👍
Did you ever tested minreal Spirits with the burned powder?
No, I have not.
subscribed,good review,thank you
Thanks for subscribing! I've got more CLP reviews coming up!
Greetings from Mexico!
Thanks for watching Andres!
Ive got a pint of breakfree i always use breakfree so idk about other brands but im willing to tey another brand after i run out of breakfree
Next time you're in Walmart, pick up some Hoppes #9 and give it a try as a bore cleaner. Use the Breakfree everywhere else.
I would like to see you compare G96 to Ballistol, that would be interesting.
Check out my G96 review:
czcams.com/video/7tnCGIQCFZo/video.html
WOW 👍
What kinda firearm does Chuck prefer?
He'll shoot anything, as long as it doesn't fire birdshot...
Use balistol to clean, break free to preserve, and clenzoil for action.
Thanks for watching!
I believe the key ingredient to Ballistol is mineral oil. I still can’t warm up to the aroma of Ballistol. 😂👍
You can buy a Hoppes #9 air freshener, but I don't think Ballistol is gonna compete with them in that market!
It's medical grade "white oil" a type of liquid paraffin. Food safe!
Hoppes #9 and break free are excellent gun care products. I use both products along with Sweets to clean and protect the bores of all my rifles.
It's hard to go wrong with Hoppes #9!
You could test archoil :)
Thanks for watching! It looks like the Archoil AR4200 CLP may have been discontinued.
So is the moral of the story regardless if you use Hoppes or Ballistol follow it up with a good oiling afterwards??
Hoppes #9 is a dedicated powder solvent, so a separate oil must be used. Ballistol is a do-it-all product and can be used by itself.
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At 6:45, he discusses the 24 hour test in which Ballistol showed significantly more corrosion than the Break Free. So why is Ballistol the winner?
The Ballistol was able to dissolve burnt powder better than the Break Free, making it a better all-around CLP in my opinion. If you are interested only in corrosion protection check out this video:
czcams.com/video/88lQp6ob1O4/video.html
Don’t get any of that stuff in Chucks eyes.
Chuck is a believer in safety glasses. I think he’ll be okay.
@@mercoid I worry so much about that little guy.
@@MrDoeboy356 😃 me too. He gets a bit too close to the action due to his unbridled enthusiasm.
Chuck knew we weren't gonna Flitz anything, so he went for a ride on his trike.
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on project farm bf clp didnt protect at all, here it did grt.....
I think my tests are straight forward and repeatable. Check out my review of MIL SPEC Break Free CLP:
czcams.com/video/agvU7tm0uxc/video.html
@@357magdad will do, im just confused what to buy n use now lol BFCLP served me well in the Infantry for yrs...
@@RocksNRuts4 I use Hoppes #9 for cleaning and a good CLP like Break Free for lube and protection.
@@357magdad ty
So Hoppie's 9 is still great!
It's hard to beat!
you had better luck with ballistol than I have had. Far as I can tell it doesn't do much of anything. I make my own CLP for pennies an ounce. never have found anything better. no secret it is called Ed's Red and the formula is maybe a century old at this point. look it up. I maker it buy the gallon and am always running out cause everyone I know grabs a pint or two.. Whatever you use think what a gallon of it would cost LOL
Thanks for watching! Check out my Ed's Red video:
czcams.com/video/oeq7u0G4MZg/video.html
I mix up Ed's Red Bore Solvent, sans Acetone and Lanolin, for $0.23/ounce. It works as good or better than any other CLP I've tried. Equal parts Low Order Mineral Spirits, K-1 Heater Kerosene and Dexron II, IIe, III ATF.
Thanks for watching! Check out my Ed's Red video:
czcams.com/video/oeq7u0G4MZg/video.html
Mmm, different than Project Farm.
Thanks for watching! Check out my CLP playlist:
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CLP showdown… you tested C and P but what about L?
I have not been able to come up with a simple way to compare lubrication properties. Cleaning and corrosion protection were priorities for me.
Testing for metal on metal wear prevention has shown clp to be superior. I will stick with tried and true.
Thanks for watching!
Ballistol ftw!
Thanks for watching!
Ballistol beats them all. and it's also a lubricant, killing multiple birds with one stone.
Thanks for watching Nick! A lot of folks swear by Ballistol.
Clenzoil is literally the best then clp hoppes and balistol are trash
Thanks for watching! Your opinion is not supported by my tests.
@357magdad im more concerned with friction and wear than i am with carbon deposits. And according to project farm clenzoil is top tier and with my own expierience after using hoppes and balistol for over 7 years i too agree
@@MakaveliThaDonKilluminati I would think you want to use one of the many high quality synthetic greases available if friction and wear is your main concern.
Yaay ballisto!!
It works well if you can get past the smell!