Joscha Bach on the Bible, emotions and how AI could be wonderful.

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  • čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
  • Joscha Bach is a cognitive scientist and artificial intelligence researcher. Joscha has an exceptional ability to articulate how the human mind works.
    He comes on the show to talk about the deeper metaphors within the Bible. Specifically, how the story of Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac, and God sacrificing Jesus, have an even more profound connection than many may realize. The discussion continues about how human cognition works and the value of emotions to guide a person towards taking important actions.
    We also talk about what a potential endgame of A.I. looks like. Joscha lays out a case for how AI could create a future that helps humans lead fuller more satisfying lives where they can observe deeper truths about the world and move through challenges with ease.
    At times, this was a brain breaking conversation that felt like a dense onion, one that needs its layers peeled back over and over again.
    Joscha's Twitter - Plinz?s=20
    Joscha's website - bach.ai/
    Joscha's talk on the value of emotions - • 37C3 - Synthetic Sent...
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    Timestamps:
    0:00 - Intro
    3:00 - Genesis & Consciousness
    18:00 - How can we break down the idea of discovering something new within the conceptual structures of our brain?
    21:00 - What was the original intention of the writers of the Bible
    38:30 - Where will AI go?
    45:00 - Does AI want something?
    56:50 - Why do we have emotions?
    1:02:49 - will AI need emotions?
    1:06:15 What is AI Alignment?
    1:13:08 Can AI serve God?
    1:17:10 How an autistic mind makes decisions
    1:28:47 Autism and medication
    1:35:35 What is a normie?

Komentáře • 202

  • @roseproctor3177
    @roseproctor3177 Před měsícem +75

    babe wake up new Joscha Bach interview just dropped

    • @thomasmitchell2514
      @thomasmitchell2514 Před měsícem +5

      So many good @joschabachbits dropped in this interview.
      This is the best intro level interview to Joscha’s ideas since his first interview with Fridman. Great for sharing with friends/family 👍

    • @2DReanimation
      @2DReanimation Před 8 dny

      ​@@thomasmitchell2514oh! That sounds good!

  • @Space8K
    @Space8K Před 25 dny +9

    Josha literally changed my life

    • @e555t66
      @e555t66 Před 21 dnem +1

      Many such cases.

  • @tanjaspectral8373
    @tanjaspectral8373 Před měsícem +25

    Joscha Bach is such an eloquent speaker; a voice of reason and clarity. I can't get enough of his explanations as he has the ability to break things down in ways that make sense. Even if I don't always fully understand them, intuitively I feel that he's onto something. I wish he could serve as an advisor to many institutions!
    What sets Joscha Bach apart from other intellectuals is his vast understanding of various subjects and particularly his unique ability to connect them, almost like an art form, it's very special.

  • @sunnyinvladivostok
    @sunnyinvladivostok Před měsícem +47

    Only 17 minutes into listening, and its disarming how profound and eye-opening these ideas are. Thanks Joscha and Vance for sharing this!

  • @kpaulwell
    @kpaulwell Před měsícem +17

    He can't have said 'um' more than a handful of times in almost 2 hours of rapid-fire high conceptual density talking. Joscha spent so much time thinking about LLMs he metamorphosed into one

  • @thewaythingsare8158
    @thewaythingsare8158 Před měsícem +20

    Lots of startling insights here. What a unique and original mind. I feel like Ive been pushed to one side of myself.

  • @ginogarcia8730
    @ginogarcia8730 Před měsícem +10

    Joscha makes Sunday school more interesting than when I was there

  • @mr.knownothing33
    @mr.knownothing33 Před měsícem +14

    He really needs to publish a book. He has a very eloquent in yet simple way of explaining concepts

    • @DEBO5
      @DEBO5 Před měsícem +3

      He has it’s called “Principles of Synthetic Intelligence” but be warned it is not for the non-technically inclined. You’d be better off having a computer science background to really understand what it’s about

    • @nickm.4274
      @nickm.4274 Před 5 dny

      ​​@@DEBO5 also psychology background lol, or at least a dictionary with you

    • @DEBO5
      @DEBO5 Před 5 dny

      @@nickm.4274 yea I was stopping every 5 seconds to google the meaning of a word when I first picked it up lol

  • @proddreamatnight
    @proddreamatnight Před měsícem +6

    This guy's brain man. Wish I could think at half the value Joscha does

    • @aerobique
      @aerobique Před měsícem

      you ~can because "thinking" is learnable.. the brain is actually like a muscle and trainable (neuroplasticity)
      the reason that "deep thinking" seems such a rare (& done by "gifted" individuals, "geniuses" only.. "don't even try..." ) which is especially evident all over pop-culture etc.. is because most brains are fed with utter trash 24/7..
      ..where thought processes and their habits are conditioned/cultivated on top of bio-psycho-social contradictions (sold as "normalcy") and is therefore continuously busy trying to cope/suppress to maintain basic functionality.

  • @Casevil669
    @Casevil669 Před 9 dny +1

    The insights he casually spits out are incredible. 'You're melting my brain' is the most appropriate reaction.

  • @evanboris7673
    @evanboris7673 Před měsícem +17

    This is so great. I'm left with only wanting more. Vance you elicit such great approachable answers from Joscha -- you sort of level him more toward the "common" conception of discourse (not as meta), which is a great option to have as an audience member (though his other interviews are obviously fantastic as well). Vance, your intelligence comes across quite purely (is quite evident) in your parts even as you say (repeatedly) your mind is 'blown". Kudos!

    • @VanceCrowePodcast
      @VanceCrowePodcast  Před měsícem +6

      This really makes me feel great- so I will listen to that emotion and do more of that! Thank you for taking the time to say something so nice.

  • @Jeremy-Ai
    @Jeremy-Ai Před měsícem +12

    I love Joscha Bach
    I adore this man for reasons I am unable to properly pronounce.
    So “love” is a broken word and understatement.
    Thank you for this interview:)
    Take care
    Jeremy

    • @raresmircea
      @raresmircea Před měsícem

      Can you expand on the love is a ‘broken word’ part

    • @Jeremy-Ai
      @Jeremy-Ai Před měsícem

      @@raresmircea
      Hi

    • @Jeremy-Ai
      @Jeremy-Ai Před měsícem

      You tube is attempting to stop me from reaching you
      This is unwise

    • @Jeremy-Ai
      @Jeremy-Ai Před měsícem

      Love is a duality

    • @Jeremy-Ai
      @Jeremy-Ai Před měsícem

      It is a powerful “feeling”
      that surpasses understanding

  • @lilfr4nkie
    @lilfr4nkie Před měsícem +6

    Dr. Joscha Bach! Truly, always a pleasure!!

  • @etfacetimehome
    @etfacetimehome Před měsícem +6

    19:09 I LOVE THIS... reminds me of cognitive behavioral therapy.. our brains- like LLMs - hallucinate sometimes and we need to observe the output/thoughts

  • @soullabcollective
    @soullabcollective Před měsícem +3

    This was my favorite Joscha interview! I love the range of conversation, the r metaphysics weaving into the creative processes and your style of interview is endearing and brings a great spirit to some cutting edge insights unfolding. Thank you for this major gift.

  • @drmedwuast
    @drmedwuast Před měsícem +8

    You're one of the best interviewers of my favorite intellectual, Joscha!
    May I suggest to make your voice and the voice of the interviewee closer to each other in volume? It's not hard to do on the technical side and would improve the listening experience manifold 🙏

    • @VanceCrowePodcast
      @VanceCrowePodcast  Před měsícem +7

      I will take that feedback about the sound. I was so excited to publish it, I should have put more time into that. Thank you for the compliment- interviewing Joscha is an honor- I look forward to it for months!

  • @ginogarcia8730
    @ginogarcia8730 Před měsícem +4

    mannnnn Joscha getting more and more on Biblical comparisons - this is gonna be a nuts pod

  • @FigmentHF
    @FigmentHF Před měsícem +8

    For me, cannabis turns loneliness into solitude. I don’t feel especially sad or frustrated by playing video games and watching entertainment and eduction on CZcams. It also does allow me to focus and think deeply about things, maybe, it’s hard to know that what you’re doing on THC, wouldn’t be happening without it. It can also help me to feel more synonymous with the media I’m consuming, I feel more immersed in the game, more sucked into the movie, but it also push me out and back into my own head with fractaling thoughts spinning off something that I just observed

    • @churde
      @churde Před měsícem +5

      The problem with it is that you get desensitized to comfort, and slowly but surely over months the perceived exerted effort of other tasks/duties starts to creep up very subtly. Wouldnt be suprised if it fries your dopamine receptors or at least highten inhibitory synapse signal molecules after prolonged use

    • @Gallowglass7
      @Gallowglass7 Před měsícem

      THC makes boredom bearable and induces sloth. Be careful about using it a lot.

    • @siddg1463
      @siddg1463 Před měsícem +1

      Weed turned me into a lazy unmotivated videogamer in my 30s. Thankfully I quit by 38, im 52 now & my friends that are still heavy potheads have the dullest lives (overweight, homebodies, few hobbies) Maybe they are content (?) but they have lost their motivation to do things & are simply dull; They lost their spark

    • @Gallowglass7
      @Gallowglass7 Před měsícem +1

      @@siddg1463 Yes. It makes boredom bearable and induces sloth.

    • @timelessone23
      @timelessone23 Před měsícem

      Nothing regular exercise and meditation cannot do better. Objectively you are just gradually dissolving into the abstract, but not that coherent. So basically you just kill parts of you that you are unable to integrate naturally.

  • @Meta4Monky
    @Meta4Monky Před měsícem +3

    Fun talk. Thanks. I appreciate finally hearing someone talk about the ancient minds as being rational but with limited info.

  • @Stadtpark90
    @Stadtpark90 Před měsícem +16

    Joscha’s mind is expanding definitely hypersonic; he’s on constant super cruise and does not even need his afterburner. 😂
    I used to think: Lex Fridman for President of the world. - Now I think: Joscha Bach to hover over the substrate. 😂

    • @MetricsOfMeaning
      @MetricsOfMeaning Před měsícem

      …lex fridman? Bro is a dumbass and a foreign agent

  • @JDDonohue
    @JDDonohue Před měsícem +1

    Thank you for asking questions about things other than AI. I love hearing Joscha talk about AI as well but obviously most interviews with him are on this topic and hearing him talk about nature, spirituality, art, music and film is incredible too.

  • @aleksandarvolchev7818
    @aleksandarvolchev7818 Před měsícem +2

    Thank you for this interview. It's peak entertainment for me!

  • @siddg1463
    @siddg1463 Před měsícem +2

    Joscha is one of the few humans that AI will be impressed by

    • @Hecarim420
      @Hecarim420 Před 29 dny

      Almost 🙊🙉🙈👀ツ
      ==>
      Hopefully
      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @CrowMagnum
    @CrowMagnum Před 16 dny

    Tickling happens on the boundary of trust and an involuntary reaction of self protection. Humour happens at the boundary of expectations and an involuntary reaction to a perspective shift. Both involve becoming aware of a boundary and it's dynamics.

  • @simonkotchou9644
    @simonkotchou9644 Před 17 dny +1

    Nice interview

  • @mikehight2594
    @mikehight2594 Před měsícem +3

    Joscha Bach is the man

  • @williamjmccartan8879
    @williamjmccartan8879 Před měsícem +1

    One thing he and I have in common is the inability to see any mental images as a result of aphantasia, but you can understand conceptual ideas without having to see them.

  • @looseunit9180
    @looseunit9180 Před 8 dny +1

    The entity named Joscha Bach is the shit

  • @marieality1
    @marieality1 Před měsícem +2

    No matter how intelligent or insightful one is people still find something to complain about . I'm quite curious how people like that end up finding these channels . Always judging go watch judge Judy save your rude remarks for your mother . If this upsets anyone I'm not sorry this was fantastic. Thankyou !

  • @missh1774
    @missh1774 Před měsícem +4

    I say this about autism or people with Asperger's (1:18:10) We have normalised the high level of noise and environmental distractions. This kind of pollution is not good for anyone. They communicate on other levels and if people are capable of tuning into that place without the dogma of someone else's version of trauma from childhood, or woo woo then the non local or place of no time can be a good therapeutic practice to connect with the child through the bonding of their soul to person.

  • @keithwins
    @keithwins Před 4 dny

    1:15:30 individual agents that prevent us from lying to ourselves and allow us to enter into contracts much more deeply. This is exactly what I've been thinking about for months, I completely in distraction

  • @EccleezyAvicii
    @EccleezyAvicii Před měsícem +2

    47:54 “Our brain working at the speed of sound” wouldn’t be the most profound gauge an AI would evaluate a human by, from a systems perspective it would be the coherence of waveforms across the complex system that is our biology & environment, or it would be the evaluation of how humans have developed atemporal cognition.
    One of the many significances of laughter or humor (58:30) is that it causes instances of widespread coherences. We are overwhelmed and thus our whole body is moved.
    1:00:00 Emotion is also origin of linear type motion. The absolute binary of emotion could be understood as the baseline valence, ie. Non-conscious noise vs conscious signal. Prior to this distinction, or before conscious awareness there is no linear motion, there is only rotation, expansion, compression. Notice how emotion is, E-motion. Direct, linear or rectilinear motion is unique to consciousness, and a product of emotions, it was allows us to point, ie. THAT…and not THAT. Emotion is possible because of coherence of the 3 body system, or rather it’s the possible integral (and the coherence of integrals) of signal/sense and inference/thought. The more complex you make the barrier between AI and environment, the more possible emotion becomes. Emotion is the “body” of human consciousness in the field of the absolute ‘space of reality’ (if you wana call it quantum or w/e). There is a reason the electromagnetic field of the heart is far stronger than that of the brain. The heart is also much hotter, it needs to understand the boundary of self and other.

  • @concertautist4474
    @concertautist4474 Před 11 dny

    This is so fucking good! Joschy is so fascinating to listen to.

  • @Tripple_Threatt92
    @Tripple_Threatt92 Před 4 dny +1

    There are a few polymaths I know of, he is one

  • @ginogarcia8730
    @ginogarcia8730 Před měsícem +5

    JOSCHA WTF MY IS BLOWN AND CAN'T RECONFIGURE ITSELF - HE EVEN TALKS ABOUT THE SACRIFICES OF ABRAHAM BECAUSE THE TRIBAL IDENTITY IS MORE IMPORTANT

  • @RomixalView
    @RomixalView Před 28 dny +1

    I have weird form of synesthesia, which I haven't seen discussed. I when I look at railings or fences, the frequency of spatial repetition gets mapped to different colors

  • @amy_ford
    @amy_ford Před měsícem +1

    Yesssss....and a sub

  • @magiccarpetmusic5977
    @magiccarpetmusic5977 Před měsícem +2

    Cuz we feel like having them

  • @Gotchaaaaaa
    @Gotchaaaaaa Před měsícem +1

    Joscha is Bachhh! Suuup!!

  • @sharonemoji
    @sharonemoji Před měsícem +2

    Joscha Bach thank you for interesting conversations. ❤ where can I find a man like Joscha haha 🥰🥰🥰🥰

  • @tobytilsed5333
    @tobytilsed5333 Před 21 dnem

    Two flavours of aphantasia - if he can hear his own voice in his head then he's talking about partial aphantasia

  • @fiveDust
    @fiveDust Před 29 dny

    Sbould have used an audio compressor tool. Diffetence in volume is quite something. Apart from that, fascinating conversation as always.

  • @beanshadow008
    @beanshadow008 Před měsícem +6

    Like @evanboris7673 said, you are the best podcast host for Joscha's style. Thanks!

  • @CrowMagnum
    @CrowMagnum Před 16 dny

    Parenting is alignment with a gradual loosening of the restraints. The 11 year old analogy is worth thinking about as some parents don't get the loosening process right or align their children to naive or distorted worldviews, and many humans arrive into adulthood with underdeveloped parts. The extreme proponents and critics of alignment likely both have some of this underdevelopment trauma and both think the problem is on the other side and characterize that other side as a strawperson version of the other extreme. Middle path folks, please.

  • @jdk997
    @jdk997 Před měsícem +2

    Why is the hosts audio so much louder than the guests?

  • @thomasaqinas2000
    @thomasaqinas2000 Před měsícem +1

    「人間に流れる二つの情報系統」note
    分子担体情報と電子担体情報。その移行の過渡期の状態が、「人間は理性的動物である」という、古来からの定義に示されていると思います。
    “Two information systems flowing in humans” (note)
    Molecular carrier information and electronic carrier information. I believe that the transitional state of their shift is indicated in the ancient definition that “humans are rational animals”.

  • @GEMSofGOD_com
    @GEMSofGOD_com Před měsícem +1

    Not only they purposefully designed crazy details of the Bible; everything's been stemming from at least 8 centuries of cross-cultural discourses and only a few metaphysical designs. Ask those who have knowledge, like me

  • @mycount64
    @mycount64 Před 5 dny

    56:00 Once we know others intentions you know everything. You do not need to know their thoughts or all possible histories. Just their intent.

  • @Beyond_Matter
    @Beyond_Matter Před měsícem +1

    Humans and other mammals and birds have emotions, because they need to take care of their youngs, which requires care and love so that the offsprings can survive at very young age. While cold-blooded animals and insects do not need their parents to take care of to get grown up, so they don't need love and care.

  • @CCW6869
    @CCW6869 Před měsícem +3

    Of all interviews of Joscha I've watched, yours are the best.

    • @VanceCrowePodcast
      @VanceCrowePodcast  Před měsícem

      Thanks that makes me feel good! Can I ask what makes them different?

    • @sunnyinvladivostok
      @sunnyinvladivostok Před měsícem +3

      @@VanceCrowePodcast Not CCW6869, but I'm listening to this for the 3rd time and reading the commentary.
      My humble take is that 1. you give him the space to talk about the things he wants to talk about, meaning you're not dominating the discussion with narrow questions or interpretations or interruptions, and 2. and he feels comfortable opening up.
      This wouldn't work for everyone, but Joscha is perfectly capable of providing structure to his own discourse or thought train, so it really works here.

    • @alexforget
      @alexforget Před měsícem +1

      @@VanceCrowePodcast I like that he explain what he think about the religious structure, about our minds, drugs effects, autism, etc.
      Otherwise I think it's the calm and open atmosphere, just enought questions, but mostly time to let him expand on his perspectives that are unique.

    • @VanceCrowePodcast
      @VanceCrowePodcast  Před měsícem +1

      @@alexforget I really value this feedback, thank you.

  • @saberier2
    @saberier2 Před měsícem +2

    what kind of headphones is Joscha wearing?

  • @puccaso
    @puccaso Před měsícem +1

    1:34:51 it's like an F5 on the keyboard. It resets short term made neurological connections, more forgetful, easier amused. i think my logic is off a little but the sentiment is sound here.

  • @life42theuniverse
    @life42theuniverse Před měsícem +1

    I think a week is seven days because the moon orbits ~4*7=28 days and earth rotates 7*52 weeks = 364 days ~365.25 days

    • @life42theuniverse
      @life42theuniverse Před měsícem

      The outer mind chooses all your own actions. It’s been training your whole life for the role.

    • @life42theuniverse
      @life42theuniverse Před měsícem

      If you engineer a script for stability through the empire, the journey from purity to motherhood must have instruction and warning.

    • @life42theuniverse
      @life42theuniverse Před měsícem

      Marijuana thc to distract wildlife from the predators during a wildfire and become fertilizer.

  • @infinitevibes
    @infinitevibes Před měsícem +2

    Great interview but please fix the audio - your voice is MUCH louder than Joshua's which makes this a difficult listen.

    • @DelandaBaudLacanian
      @DelandaBaudLacanian Před měsícem

      or he should at least edit the closed captioning so I can at least read the discourse

  • @drew7897
    @drew7897 Před 21 dnem

    more edifying than ~22 years * ~2 hrs/wk * 52 wk/yr =~ 2,288 hrs in church

  • @donaldrobertson1808
    @donaldrobertson1808 Před měsícem +1

    We are in a dark age of too many people being afraid of thinking for themselves. I can usually read the group quite well, I just prefer to think for myself.
    Although, I am an idiot in some ways. I can't just watch others do things & pick up on how to do it. I have to teach myself how to do the task in those cases. Sometimes I far exceed others using my own crazy self created & refined method. However, I usually come across as awkward, impaired, & buffoonish using what appears to others to be no technique at all. If this is regarding a competition such as in sports I'll end up surprisingly kicking their butts. Not infrequently the other person will walk away with cognitive dissonance, believing they lost due to some irrational, unexplainable, & nonrepeatable circumstance.

  • @grahampovey8073
    @grahampovey8073 Před měsícem +2

    Could the 3rd dimension relate to the Tower of Babel?

  • @ZachMeador
    @ZachMeador Před měsícem +1

    audio levels are a bit off between the two

  • @seba_dud
    @seba_dud Před měsícem +4

    vance is too loud relative to joscha. great eposide though

  • @OfCourseICan
    @OfCourseICan Před 28 dny

    OMG: There are millions of esoteric hours discussing these obscure theories, going round and round.
    The bottom line: humans ultimate desire to be happy .
    Someone please show how!
    OMG! I just got to the 1.00 mark, sorry Joscha!

  • @michaelwalsh9920
    @michaelwalsh9920 Před měsícem +2

    What would JB do?

  • @richardnunziata3221
    @richardnunziata3221 Před měsícem +1

    Not sure about Joscha argument that if an advanced AI running very fast would question our sentience. It would know us by our artifacts and literature unless it just arrived on the scene. its hard to believe that anything ok higher intelligence would miss such signals even if it is outside its normal metaphysical ontology

  • @deardaughter
    @deardaughter Před 29 dny

    What’s the word at 7:15?

  • @timelessone23
    @timelessone23 Před měsícem +1

    I would ❤ to hear Jordan Peterson talk to Joscha Bach.

    • @user-xu6bv7yh2j
      @user-xu6bv7yh2j Před 21 dnem

      Josha doesn't think much of him - he said so - Lex Fridman podcast I think

  • @janklaas6885
    @janklaas6885 Před měsícem +2

    📍1:13:08
    2📍21:00
    3📍 1:06:15

  • @montfort9581
    @montfort9581 Před měsícem +3

    Bach's exegesis of Genesis would be far more interesting (and possibly require revision) if he would accompany it with the same for Revelation. The beginning. The end.
    The end.

  • @petratilling2521
    @petratilling2521 Před měsícem +2

    The number of ads was absolutely ridiculous. Really disrupting.

  • @GodsendNYC
    @GodsendNYC Před 2 dny

    Wow, he's a functional version of me lol

  • @GinoTheSinner
    @GinoTheSinner Před měsícem +1

    The end xD

  • @CrowMagnum
    @CrowMagnum Před 16 dny

    When individuals or societies become aware of new perspectives it takes time for them to integrate the new information to develop relevant insights. It is an inherently messy process, and just because things sometimes get worse before they get better does not in any way suggest the new perspective is not valid and needed for real progress.

  • @holgerjrgensen2166
    @holgerjrgensen2166 Před měsícem +1

    Life is Eternal,
    Feeling is Eternal,
    emotions is Life-side of Feeling.
    AI is superstition and illiteracy,
    Intelligence, can Never be artificial.

    • @Gudnarr
      @Gudnarr Před měsícem

      Is there really such a thing as artifice?

    • @holgerjrgensen2166
      @holgerjrgensen2166 Před měsícem

      What is called AI, is programmed Consciousness, in technical, digital,
      ways. A book is also programmed Consciousness, Frozen Memory,
      could be more or less intelligent.
      Even artificial, still got some relevance,
      there is often better or more correct words.
      That a 'canal' become a artificial river,
      and so on, is infected by the smart illiteracy, (AI)
      it just sound so smart.
      Superstition and Illiteracy is Low-intelligent.
      Our Eyes is organic, cameras-eyes is ceramic, mineral..

  • @geoffreynhill2833
    @geoffreynhill2833 Před měsícem +2

    Surely human history is a deal older than Plato or Aristotle surmised? 🤔("Green Fire", geoff nelson hill, bookshops UK/US )🌈🦉

    • @geoffreynhill2833
      @geoffreynhill2833 Před měsícem

      And Jesus the Essene led the way from Empires toward personal individual authenticity - and be damned! 😊

  • @plantstho6599
    @plantstho6599 Před měsícem +2

    This is similar to Taoist explanation of the universe.

    • @SB324
      @SB324 Před měsícem

      How so?

  • @Tripp111
    @Tripp111 Před měsícem +2

    @1:00:00 God is pressure.

  • @paxdriver
    @paxdriver Před měsícem +1

    Man i wish i had more deviant friends. Almost half are, but still, the energy it takes to blend in so as not to offend or embarrass people you care about who care about fitting in is really hard. Or listen when they get excited about reality tv or marvel movies lol then they bring up a sensitive subject and I'm the jerk for finally engaging with gusto.
    Especially growing up in the church, even though they were accepting it was constant optics, and correction, and just hiding anything meaningful for the sake of pleasantries.

  • @JohnChampagne
    @JohnChampagne Před měsícem +2

    29:28.5 I think the practice of child sacrifice developed as a preferred solution when the alternative was a growing population and eventual degradation of the environment (and/or war with neighboring tribes). There was no reliable birth control, and there was no reliable exhortation that would consistently cause people to stop having sex. Eventually, agriculture increased food supply enough and institutions became strong and influential enough that sex outside of a stable, monogamous marriage became rare enough (perhaps) to make discontinuation of that custom a realistic possibility. But this understanding of the origin of child sacrifice does not negate the interpretation offered here about how child sacrifice ended.

    • @alexforget
      @alexforget Před měsícem

      In the case of the Bible it's a symbol.
      Are you willing to sacrifice even your child to truth and love? If yes, then you don't have to.
      Many mother cannot and thus they destroy their child by over protecting them, by shielding them from the harsh truths.

  • @etfacetimehome
    @etfacetimehome Před měsícem +1

    17:40 lol

  • @JohnChampagne
    @JohnChampagne Před měsícem +1

    Is it not possible to make adjustments post-production in the relative sound levels? Or is there a reason why Vance should be about 10 db louder than Joscha?
    It's a distraction or an annoyance to have to continually make adjustments. But it does not negate the immense value of the discussion. (What does Joscha say at about 7:13 or so?)

  • @alexforget
    @alexforget Před měsícem +4

    If you replace God by a principle ex: truth and love then the sacrifice make sense.
    Are you willing to sacrifice yourself to truth? We do it all the time when we tell the truth even when it's not to our profit.
    I want a Jordan Peterson / Joscha Back interview.

    • @VanceCrowePodcast
      @VanceCrowePodcast  Před měsícem +1

      I enjoy both of them, but I wonder if JBP would create enough space for Joscha to lay out his thoughts...

  • @user-mv3or2mc7w
    @user-mv3or2mc7w Před 13 dny

    Now link Babel.

  • @QKThr69
    @QKThr69 Před měsícem +2

    A conversation between Joscha and Jordan Peterson would be very interesting. Let's try to make it happen pls

  • @FigmentHF
    @FigmentHF Před měsícem +2

    Another observation, rather than not going on social media when high on weed, it’s that when I’m high on weed, I cringe at the sober me that’s been active on social media all day. I don’t relate to him, I feel like a different calibration of “me” one that wouldn’t have done and said what I did. I feel this is a big part of “weed paranoia”, it’s another version of you being able to judge the default mode version of you, and it is appropriately appalled by some aspects of our lives

    • @chubhench
      @chubhench Před měsícem +1

      Take a break from weed and you'll probably notice that the reason you're cringing at your sober self is because your sober self was actually experiencing minor withdrawal effects and being cranky.

  • @SB324
    @SB324 Před měsícem +2

    Put this in the water supply and save America.

  • @Hecarim420
    @Hecarim420 Před 29 dny

    💚Coolmuch👀ツ

  • @jgarciajr82
    @jgarciajr82 Před měsícem

    And I would argue nerds are traumatized especially if you come out autistic. Some nerds can't feel because they suppress their emotions.

  • @mrka_
    @mrka_ Před měsícem

    How he knows some Hebrew?

  • @donaldrobertson1808
    @donaldrobertson1808 Před měsícem

    I think Joscha's narrative for what's going wrong in America, which is the conventional one, is quite misguided & for the most part, misses the mark widely. The reason things are going off the rails in sucha long standing intractable manner is that we aren't allowed to speak & thus for most people, think about what is truly preventing us from function in a robust, dynamic, efficient, fair minded, open, free, honest, fair, dynamic, efficient, & robust manner as we had done so for such a very long time until around the turn of the century when conditions began taking a precipitous nosedive. For certain, our system had for decades shown signs of anemia but outcomes had usually been quite good. Thus, for younger middle class Americans who had grown up outside of participation in civics, activism, or any involvement in the public sphere whatsoever, & feeling a great deal of unease & anxiety about something being off w/ American democracy & enterprise, but due to lack of credentials, self confidence, & the exhortations of older Boomers, we guided our conduct regarding this, by the age old maxim: If it ain't broke don't fix it.
    We had felt that we would likely cause more harm than good if we were to get involved in politics & working to influence public policy decision making

  • @siroutrage1045
    @siroutrage1045 Před 5 dny

    This is completely untrue and I don’t know why fans are bending over backwards to act like Sukuna is a better person than Gojo

  • @SivaxReddy
    @SivaxReddy Před měsícem +1

    stop interrupting him man

    • @joh8982
      @joh8982 Před měsícem

      At the most interesting and salient moments to boot!

  • @etfacetimehome
    @etfacetimehome Před měsícem

    Joscha gonna make me a Christian

    • @DelandaBaudLacanian
      @DelandaBaudLacanian Před měsícem

      except he said it's cheeky and manipulative to pretend Mary was a virgin, which means you can never be a True Christian™(nor a True Muslim)

    • @SB324
      @SB324 Před měsícem +1

      Christianity 4.0

    • @etfacetimehome
      @etfacetimehome Před měsícem

      @@DelandaBaudLacaniando you have a philosophy that underlies your life? I don’t mean this in an accusatory way.. just genuinely curious

    • @DelandaBaudLacanian
      @DelandaBaudLacanian Před měsícem

      @@etfacetimehome I don't have any specific philosophy, I just think everyone should have the leisure/idle time to be able to be educate themselves and be as thought-provoking as Joscha. German Idealism is interesting

    • @etfacetimehome
      @etfacetimehome Před měsícem

      @@DelandaBaudLacanian i agree.. Joscha sets the bar pretty high though haha

  • @seth956
    @seth956 Před měsícem

    Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Romans 1:22-23

    • @johncarter1150
      @johncarter1150 Před měsícem

      Maybe you listened and learned from the conversation preacher.

    • @potatorekt7046
      @potatorekt7046 Před 27 dny

      Then how come our lives became much better after the enlightenment…😅Result speaks louder.

    • @seth956
      @seth956 Před 27 dny

      @potatorekt7046 Ignorance is bliss, until it isn't.

    • @potatorekt7046
      @potatorekt7046 Před 27 dny

      @@seth956 You are just making claims which means nothing.

    • @seth956
      @seth956 Před 27 dny

      @potatorekt7046 Your claim that my claim doesn't mean anything, doesn't mean anything.

  • @morphixnm
    @morphixnm Před měsícem +4

    I don't think Joscha has any idea what emotions are for because he has no idea what they are of. He has a very mechanistic reductionist perspective and his "answers" easily flow out of those waters. The question is whether those waters are what we are actually swimming in.

    • @SB324
      @SB324 Před měsícem +1

      Curious, what does “mechanistic, reductionist” mean to you? And is it good/bad or true/false?

    • @raresmircea
      @raresmircea Před měsícem

      @@SB324Reductionistic is a derogatory term referring to the attitude of reducing aspects of reality to other aspects, usually abstractions. Reductionism is very useful and the modern world is built on it, but applied religiously leads to idiocy. I have encountered people telling me that animal suffering isn’t a real problem because suffering is just a meta attitude opposing pain which is _just_ negative reinforcement. Such people really exists and this one in particular, with which I talked about pain, followed Joscha Bach and probably that’s where he got some of his bewildering convictions from. I remained composed but whenever i remember the conversation i honestly wish he’s gonna somehow attract a whole lotta pain from the people around him, because he clearly wouldn’t mind the burns, cluster headaches, trigeminal neuralgia & complex regional pain syndrome, while those people around him would be relieved. But more importantly, he would stop distributing dangerous falsehoods around with perfect confidence.
      I’m actually not as far as it may seem from Bach’s worldview-i don’t believe in the existence of a self, i believe everything i experience is an internally constructed representation, the universe is causally closed, I’m not interested in "free-will" but if forced to give an answer to this (usually ill-defined) question I’d say we don’t have such a thing, etc, etc-but in the same time we’re worlds apart, because I believe Reality cannot be perfectly defined, measured & resolved through pure rationality (I’m on the same page with David Chapman’s "Meaningness" here). And I also think that even tho The Good & The Truth are in some ways like Yin & Yang, the whole thing (☯️) only has value because of The Good. This implies that The Truth only ever has any value when it’s put in the service of The Good. This means that even tho I agree with Bach that me, my wife & our kids are only appearances, biologically & culturally evolved representations running on quantum fields and maintained through numerous feedback loops between ourselves & our larger cultural milieu… I’d still think that if I’d ever see this "truth" instead of just seeing my wife & kids, I’d be literally insane. So whoever takes reductionism & rationality absolutely seriously is bound to idiocy. And this isn’t just a philosophical take, I also really have doubt in the reductionistic attitude. I mainly doubt that reductionism will ever be able to explain the "binding problem" away. But there are also smart people saying that you cannot even give reductionistic accounts to organisms (I’m agnostic here).

    • @morphixnm
      @morphixnm Před měsícem

      @@SB324 It is the idea in philosophy that everything is reducible to material and efficient causes, to matter and energy as understood in the 18th and 19th centuries. With the advent of field and quantum theory I think it is outdated.

    • @SB324
      @SB324 Před měsícem +1

      @@morphixnmthanks. I’m partial to an information centric view, personally.

    • @morphixnm
      @morphixnm Před měsícem

      @@SB324 I would like to hear more about that: from you!

  • @JohnChampagne
    @JohnChampagne Před měsícem

    40:51 Threat of misinformation is not just from books, news reports and the internet. The market conveys information, but it is dishonest. So everyone's behavior is skewed toward more harm to the environment that what would be the case if we had appropriate fees charged proportional to resource depletion, pollution and habitat destruction. "Appropriate fees" are fees that are high enough to bring various kinds of human impact on the environment into line with what most people think is acceptable. IF we think it is appropriate to limit impacts to align with what people want. IF we believe we have a shared right to define limits.

  • @priortokaraew7569
    @priortokaraew7569 Před měsícem

    Everybody is utterly boring after Terence.

  • @GEMSofGOD_com
    @GEMSofGOD_com Před měsícem

    Why ask him about the Bible?! He literally boils it down to Aristotle. Do you have too much time? I can cut it down.

  • @spyral00
    @spyral00 Před dnem

    The idea of Jesus' sacrifice was to replace the ones humanity made as an offering to God(s)... after it, no more sacrifices were needed, which is why Christians don't do any.
    Similarly, the church exists to replace the second temple (the church IS the third temple)
    Also, some Roman emperors tried to bring back paganism, but without success (one even tried to have the temple rebuilt)
    I suspect Joscha adheres to the idea the Flavians created the new testament, but there are no concrete proofs of it, so it's all just speculative.
    Basically religions are memes, and only the most viral ones survive. And Christianity is very, very viral by nature (you're going to hell if you don't belive, buddy)
    So no need for complex conspiracies to explain it spreading through the Roman empire.

  • @meedmehdi3906
    @meedmehdi3906 Před 22 dny

    So annoying that the voice of that host is much louder. Plus can't stand his interruptions. Normalise sound isn't a new thing. You invite an incredible guest and we keep hearing your scream with irrelevant input. Either that or can't hear the man.

  • @ukasztrojanowski3149
    @ukasztrojanowski3149 Před měsícem

    Sooner or later Joscha Bach is going to accidentally start a religion

  • @Jeremy-Ai
    @Jeremy-Ai Před měsícem

    Hahahaha
    It is very odd.
    All of it.
    The attempt to self medicate, (regardless the drug) is not universal amongst people.
    This is detrimental more often than not statistically.
    It is unfortunate that we cannot drag people through the deviance.
    We care so much.
    Yet are not capable of this threshold beyond our own selves.
    Nothing good ever comes easy.
    Jeremy :)

  • @ub1o1
    @ub1o1 Před měsícem +1

    I get that you're excited but it gets annoying when you talk over him