Seele's kit is still mechanically one of the best eg relatively low energy cost and extra turn mechanic, extra speed etc things that can cheat the turn based system. The issue of her rather low multipliers can be solved with more vertically invested harmony and nihility units. There is a reason why even in 2.2 for sweaty players the unit that can 0 cycle at the lowest cost ( limited 5 star chars, eidolons + signature lightcones) is still Seele . For the average and majority of the player base who like to horizontally invest instead or not be so sweaty about the game seele will feel a lot less comfortable than newer units with a higher floor but lower ceiling. eg During Acheron's release the aventurine boss in MoC 12 that was meant to shill acheron couldn't even be 0 cycled by a 3 cost team with Acheron while it was doable with Seele.
the problem with mono quantum was, until now, all content was based on how fast you can kill the enemy, and silverwolf is just flat out worse than harmonies in helping your dps do this. seele performed way better with tingyun, ruan mei, and later robin, so there was never any reason to use the team. xueyi enjoyed the break, but shes blast and silverwolf is singletarget, and now she just runs a superbreak team. same issue with qingque. ironically the best user of mono quantum for killing enemies is acheron since she actually benefits from silverwolfs debuffs LUCKILY they've added a new gamemode where weakness break is ACTUALLY relevant, and silverwolf is one of the BEST supports in it. its because of her that seele is able to be competitive on BOTH halves, even non-quantum weak ones like argenti. tl;dr the problem with mono quantum isnt seele (whos still one of the best dps), its silverwolf. but now apocalyptic shadow is out, and silverwolfs meta again, so the team can actually perform well.
I don't know how to tell you this but the only reason sw has a slot in one of the best teams in apoc is because archeron requires a nihility debuffer and sw is kinda the only 5* option in the game. also seele is just fine these days. after all the hp inflation we got you need something absurd like 100/200 crit to even oneshot the side mobs in moc. it's just not really worth it when you could just RRAT or archeron it.
@@MrWilliGaming SW is still really useful for breaking the boss and ignoring its mechanics, which more than make up for the lower amp than harmonies, resulting in higher clear times and idk, i still see seele 0 cycling everything
@@Internextionyou can 0 cycle with arlan given the right supports. sw is fine for apoc but you cannot really ignore mechanics here since the boss a) has massive damage reduction as long as its minions are alive and b) has massive damage reduction (80%) to its off elements. so you can't just break the boss ignore the adds and still do full damage and you can't bring mono quantum into a non qua weak fight. her implant is not that useful here. whats left are her debuffs: 53% def shred and 10% all res reduction which is better than what even pela provides, yes but also single target and you need to use skillpoints. dont get me wrong sw is still good with archeron but that is only because of archerons nihility requirement. every other team would rather have a tingyun or some other harmony.
I would argue that Mono-quantum has a lot of potential in endgame modes if you’re willing to exist without Fu Xuan. You can put Xueyi/QQ as main DPS, Jade as Sub-DPS, Sparkle as buffer, and silver wolf to apply quantum weakness to bosses (you can probably ignore the weakness on non-bosses in modes like PF) I don’t think the comp is gonna be full-on meta, but it’s an option and could work for zero-cycles in MoC.
It kinda is. The game already have abilities that gain efficiency based on actions/existence of characters of certain type. We have: -Sparkle that have a major trace that additionally buffs quantum ally with atk% based on number of ally in team with quantum type. -Silverwolf that guarantees quantum weakness implant if the team are filled with quantum only character -DHIL's E6 that buffs him with RES PEN based on ult casted by imaginary character in the team
@@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters no she can do just fine with only harmony MC, she actually has a little counter synergy with Ruan Mei because of how her enemy delays prevent her from triggering her followup attack faster
nice video! but imo, the problem in mono quantum is that silverwolf simply sucks. Seela+sparke+robin+huohuo is still a very decent team in present since both acheron and firefly cannot benefit from the trio. The trio sparke+robin+huohuo is simply the most broken kit for quintessential dps. As long as there is no necessity in breaking enemies (as in forgotten hall now), silverwolf remains garbage and so does mono quantum
I'd say mono-quantum sucks because mono-quantum in itself is not a good team comp. Silver Wolf is great though. Just not in mono-quantum; as she's good in the Acheron team.
no, sw is really great especially in moc. seele is the problem, her damage falls heavily in moc or any fights with elites because she needs to kill a target in order to trigger her passive. This is the reason why qingque is considered more consistent even with her rng skill and overall just better than seele edit: I have a built seele with 70 / 192 and her damage can barely keep up with my other characters
The real problem with Silverwolf is that she can only implant weakness 1 enemy every turn and Def shred 1 enemy every 3 turns. While Seele, Qingque and Jade are made for multi-target scenarios with respawning mobs, and Xueyi doesn't even need Quantum weakness. So SW only shines against bosses, but there still isn't a Quantum DPS with massive single target damage that doesn't need to hit/kill multiple mobs. You can actually use SW as the DPS and she is almost as strong at single target as Seele.
I thought the whole gimmick of mono quantum was when you weakness broke the enemy because if what the weakness break for quantum does and. The aftermath damage would be insane given the characters all used the quantum set wouldn't it be stonks 💹?
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Short answer : release new quantum hypercarry
Seele's kit is still mechanically one of the best eg relatively low energy cost and extra turn mechanic, extra speed etc things that can cheat the turn based system. The issue of her rather low multipliers can be solved with more vertically invested harmony and nihility units. There is a reason why even in 2.2 for sweaty players the unit that can 0 cycle at the lowest cost ( limited 5 star chars, eidolons + signature lightcones) is still Seele .
For the average and majority of the player base who like to horizontally invest instead or not be so sweaty about the game seele will feel a lot less comfortable than newer units with a higher floor but lower ceiling. eg During Acheron's release the aventurine boss in MoC 12 that was meant to shill acheron couldn't even be 0 cycled by a 3 cost team with Acheron while it was doable with Seele.
nah, both acheron and jingliu can do it with 3 cost.
@@li-haowang8911Seele did it with 1
the problem with mono quantum was, until now, all content was based on how fast you can kill the enemy, and silverwolf is just flat out worse than harmonies in helping your dps do this. seele performed way better with tingyun, ruan mei, and later robin, so there was never any reason to use the team. xueyi enjoyed the break, but shes blast and silverwolf is singletarget, and now she just runs a superbreak team. same issue with qingque. ironically the best user of mono quantum for killing enemies is acheron since she actually benefits from silverwolfs debuffs
LUCKILY they've added a new gamemode where weakness break is ACTUALLY relevant, and silverwolf is one of the BEST supports in it. its because of her that seele is able to be competitive on BOTH halves, even non-quantum weak ones like argenti.
tl;dr the problem with mono quantum isnt seele (whos still one of the best dps), its silverwolf. but now apocalyptic shadow is out, and silverwolfs meta again, so the team can actually perform well.
I don't know how to tell you this but the only reason sw has a slot in one of the best teams in apoc is because archeron requires a nihility debuffer and sw is kinda the only 5* option in the game.
also seele is just fine these days. after all the hp inflation we got you need something absurd like 100/200 crit to even oneshot the side mobs in moc. it's just not really worth it when you could just RRAT or archeron it.
@@MrWilliGaming SW is still really useful for breaking the boss and ignoring its mechanics, which more than make up for the lower amp than harmonies, resulting in higher clear times
and idk, i still see seele 0 cycling everything
@@Internextionyou can 0 cycle with arlan given the right supports.
sw is fine for apoc but you cannot really ignore mechanics here since the boss a) has massive damage reduction as long as its minions are alive and b) has massive damage reduction (80%) to its off elements.
so you can't just break the boss ignore the adds and still do full damage and you can't bring mono quantum into a non qua weak fight. her implant is not that useful here.
whats left are her debuffs: 53% def shred and 10% all res reduction which is better than what even pela provides, yes but also single target and you need to use skillpoints.
dont get me wrong sw is still good with archeron but that is only because of archerons nihility requirement. every other team would rather have a tingyun or some other harmony.
@@MrWilliGaming "you cant ignore mechanics" "all she has is her res reduction and weakness implant which ignore the mechanics" which one is it?
@@Internextion the first one since her weakness implant doesn't ignore mechanics in apoc.
QQ is a better DPS for mono
I would argue that Mono-quantum has a lot of potential in endgame modes if you’re willing to exist without Fu Xuan. You can put Xueyi/QQ as main DPS, Jade as Sub-DPS, Sparkle as buffer, and silver wolf to apply quantum weakness to bosses (you can probably ignore the weakness on non-bosses in modes like PF) I don’t think the comp is gonna be full-on meta, but it’s an option and could work for zero-cycles in MoC.
Why didn't you mention Qingque? She is the main mono quantum DPS, not seele.
mono teams never meant to be a thing in this game, it's something that community slapped a tag on it just because it worked
It kinda is. The game already have abilities that gain efficiency based on actions/existence of characters of certain type. We have:
-Sparkle that have a major trace that additionally buffs quantum ally with atk% based on number of ally in team with quantum type.
-Silverwolf that guarantees quantum weakness implant if the team are filled with quantum only character
-DHIL's E6 that buffs him with RES PEN based on ult casted by imaginary character in the team
@@pinkinglily6447 Silverwolf is only reasonable argument here
what about xueyi?
She NEEDS Ruan Mei to breath. Like a parasite.
@@Mr.MasterOfTheMonsters no she can do just fine with only harmony MC, she actually has a little counter synergy with Ruan Mei because of how her enemy delays prevent her from triggering her followup attack faster
nice video! but imo, the problem in mono quantum is that silverwolf simply sucks. Seela+sparke+robin+huohuo is still a very decent team in present since both acheron and firefly cannot benefit from the trio. The trio sparke+robin+huohuo is simply the most broken kit for quintessential dps. As long as there is no necessity in breaking enemies (as in forgotten hall now), silverwolf remains garbage and so does mono quantum
who said sw sucks she is really good 5 star who can give insane def red,weakness implant,33% res pen.
I'd say mono-quantum sucks because mono-quantum in itself is not a good team comp.
Silver Wolf is great though. Just not in mono-quantum; as she's good in the Acheron team.
My man have never use sw
The single high defence decrease is good and adding a weakness while decrease the corresponding element resistance is not bad
no, sw is really great especially in moc. seele is the problem, her damage falls heavily in moc or any fights with elites because she needs to kill a target in order to trigger her passive. This is the reason why qingque is considered more consistent even with her rng skill and overall just better than seele
edit: I have a built seele with 70 / 192 and her damage can barely keep up with my other characters
The real problem with Silverwolf is that she can only implant weakness 1 enemy every turn and Def shred 1 enemy every 3 turns. While Seele, Qingque and Jade are made for multi-target scenarios with respawning mobs, and Xueyi doesn't even need Quantum weakness.
So SW only shines against bosses, but there still isn't a Quantum DPS with massive single target damage that doesn't need to hit/kill multiple mobs.
You can actually use SW as the DPS and she is almost as strong at single target as Seele.
I thought the whole gimmick of mono quantum was when you weakness broke the enemy because if what the weakness break for quantum does and. The aftermath damage would be insane given the characters all used the quantum set wouldn't it be stonks 💹?