Christine Hayes: Forging Jewish Identity: Models and Middles in Jewish Sources
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- Christine Hayes: Forging Jewish Identity: Models and Middles in Jewish Sources. Lecture from 2016-2017 lecture and study series on intermarriage created by Shalom Hartman Institute of North America and B'nai Jeshurun in New York.
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Wonderful lecture, Prof. Christine Hayes. One comment: I see the distinction between memory, covenant and holiness as blurry. The Passover rituals observance fits into the category of memory, just like it fits into the category of covenant for instance. Love your lectures, they''re outstanding!
very much enjoyed and learned
I like this lady .
I need the transcript for this, please, Shalom Hartman Institute, the part where where she talks about Paul as soterion of the Christian message.
Sorry, we don't have them
I love her, but memory doesn't suffice to make the case for personal identity.
I’m wondering why she specifically calls it ‘memory’ when she also identifies it as not historically accurate? Wouldn’t it be better to call it ‘imagination’ or ‘Mythology’ or is that maybe too incendiary a term? Just wondering on this because it’s quite confusing. How can we accept something as not having actually happened and only be teachable stories but call it a memory? Can anyone help me understand please?
I would recommend you to read Yosef Haim Yerushalmi's book Zakhor: Jewish History and Jewish Memory
@@MrYanky777 I just had a look at that book! It looks like EXACTLY what I’m looking for I’m so grateful for the recommendation! Thank you!! 🙏👌
I'm a non-Jewish person who has recently enjoyed learning about Jewish faith. I'd like to respectfully ask a question which some viewers may be able to help me with. Why do people refer to the ancient Israelite community as Jewish? It is my understanding that in historical terms nobody was referring to anyone as a 'Jew' until the post-exile period, and the words Jew and Judaism don't really feature in the Hebrew Bible (until the end?). Am I getting that wrong? It seems like Jewishness is being read back onto the ancient Israelites, who practiced a quite different type of religion. Why is that? Is it an article of Jewish faith? Or is there a historical factor that I'm not picking up on? Would you call Abraham, Jacob etc, Jewish, as such? I expect people have a variety of responses to this question, and I'd love to know what you think - from a religious perspective or a historical one - or whatever
You are right, Abraham was not a "Jew" but an Israelite or Hebrew although his descendants are "Jews" Jew (Yehudit) was a term originally used to describe members of the tribe of Judah and then for the Israelites living in Judea. Most modern "Jews" are descendants of the Judeans. The term "Jew" became common after the return from Babylonia
Jew or Jewish is a modern term. I think she uses this term properly. She uses it when speaking of the present, looking backward.
To answer your question about the term "Jew" or "Yehudi" in Hebrew simply refers to one from the Kingdom of Judah, as you know. Judah simply means "praise."
Colloquially, to be part of a Jewish community can mean to be part of a community that praises the God of Israel.
To be considered "Jewish" is a complex religious and sometimes political legal definition.
Thank you, I didn't know about the colloquial aspect. That's really interesting@@josephdeisrael
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That's my understanding. However. People were called Jews historically, one explanation is the Kingdom of Judah was re-established where as the Northern Kingdom was not. Political again, there are those that do not recognize Samaritans.
And people from multiple tribes returned when the Kingdom of Judah was established.
In a religous context people areknown as Israel, in english people are "called" Jews. In some countries, people are "called" Hebrews.
So, it's complicated. 😁
Thanks for a knowlegdeble lecture. Only one comment on what you said about Paul , you mention that Paul is not making a distinction between jew and gentile, i dont read the text in galations or other texts he wrote like that. In the letter to Galatians 3:28 it also says there is not woman nor man, slave nor free in christ. I think most people accept the trueth that women and men still are two categories( even in Christ), so this verse is no proof that paul would stop distinguishing: I believe the essence of this verse is due to that he saw that GD also accepted the gentiles, that is: even if they had not entered the jewish covenant they started to worship Israels GD and got to be in his presence. I cannot find anywhere that Paul wants the people to be gentiles or vs a versa, on the contrary, the galatiations who were gentiles should serve GD as gentiles, as the jews should serve GD as jews. Through loving the same GD, they could be one, even if they had diffent roles and identifications.
mab tun Paul's assertion in Galatians 3 that the Laws of Torah were cursed because they are unfulfillable is where the issue lays. By this assertion, the Laws are designed for failure. Paul, from my understanding of his work, was trying to start a new religion by co-opting parts of a translated Tanakh (Greek version not Hebrew).
@@kenyaw5752 The statements of Paul about Torah does not necessarily mean that Torah was designed to fail, actually he says that it has succeded in pointing to Christ, besides Paul says many good things about Torah in his letters.
About Paul starting a new religion, it could also be consider a reformation. Although it oviously ended in an new religion,but it wasn't necessarily his intention.
abraham didn’t sow all the seed he reaps. if i am a jew, I AM by faith. i don’t know genealogy. i know my heart, and Gods’.
but that’s just me,
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frankly, people who separate themselves from everyone else are by definition exclusive. how can Gods’ peoples be exclusive? that would mean they’re excluded. they also lead into captivity. they need a Moshiach to lead them out of their scriptural idolatry, claiming impossible things for themselves and inviting desolation on themselves and everyone else. don’t you dare deny it! jacob’s trouble, the tribulation, apocalypse, armageddon, war, hate, prejudices of all kinds all stem directly from the idol 📖
and God hates hate. and the idol introduced the adversary, who threatens the world with utter darkness. i’m not impressed.
hebrew bible - retcon of egyptian theology, the original, true theology
You know some of the things Christine say's makes me cringe, and it doesn't seem like she is an Atheist. She know's more about the text than most pastors that is for sure but, her body language suggests that this word of God takes command of her at times. I by the way am a Christian and if there is no god and no life after this one then that would truly be a sad case for all humanity. Seek out the Lord Jesus and he will show you the truth. God Bless ').
..... what? The word of God takes command of her at times, which you surmise from body language. So you would tell her that because of her body language you have more access to her own mental state than she does. wow, i just... I couldn't imagine being so "know it all" and rude. just yikes
@vaugn banks what exactly makes you "cringe" as you put it? Can you give examples?