Mr Gale Big Battle Boy - Baldur's Gate 3 CO-OP Part 58
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A few things in case you guys haven't figured them out since recording this episode:
-silence does *not* break concentration spells
-you can see who's concentrating on which spell at the bottom of the character portraits in the initiative order. So if you want to check which enemy to target to break a nasty spell, you don't have to manually check every single bad guy, a quick glance at the top of the screen is enough
The way counterspell works is if the level of the spell cast is lower than the level counterspell was cast (base level of 3rd), it automatically nullifies the spell cast. If the counterspell is done at a lower level than the spell cast, the counterspell caster has to roll against the other spell caster. If the counterspell roll doesnt meet the required ability check, the spell slot is consumed and the opposing spell still goes through. The latter of which is what happened. Cone of cold was a 5th level spell, and you used counterspell at its base level of 3rd level. Gale failed his check to beat Zell's spell. Also, counterspell is done as a reaction. And each person has 1 reaction per turn. So if you or an opponent has already used a reaction to ATTEMPT a counterspell (regardless of whether it succeeds or fails), you dont have to worry about getting countered again until their place in the turn order resets.
I've found the most reliable way to deal with enemy counterspells is to just bonus action a low level spell to get the reaction out before you cast a big spell
Odd while you have Gale in the party anytime you encounter a large group that has yet to close in on you that Ice Storm spell is your best friend. It has a large aoe, does fair amount of dmg, and the iced surface is extremely effective. Literally the only thing Ketheric himself managed to do in the first fight against me was slip and go prone. And then eat half a dozen attacks from Lae'zel & Karlach ending the battle in the process lol
This episode was everything I was hoping for with this fight. Knew it was going to be tough especially to keep Jaheira alive but you guys managed just fine. Thanks for a good one!
1:19:19 Zariel the Arch Devil of Avernus one who has been hunting Karlack and the Mistress of the Fiendish patron if Wyll I think.
Lol that title 😂🤺
You probably figured it out by now but Gale didn't have Haste because you picked it to *learn* but not to *prepare*. Wizards need to also prepare spells before they cast them.
You guys did miss some interactions dialogues and a couple of small quests by freeing the night song before going to moonrise but that’s what’s awesome about this game. There’s more than one path to complete objectives and I love that!
The last prone guy you all circled, and jumped on like hyenas 😂❤
Holy cricket, my heart was pumping throughout that battle. Good to see that I wasn't the only person that misread that enemy's name as Jimmy Kimmel.
I haven't played this game nor do I know anything about D&D, but it seems to me what the part is missing is more taunt. People keep getting surrounded and owned.
Oh and The "Durge" has Cull the Weak. You could use that in those situations where you have a dude down to low health.
That delay turn idea is something I really want too, or hold action. Its been implemented in similar D&D games, hopefully it's on Larrain's road map.
yeah, but in 5e which BG3 is based on there is not delay, so that's just rules implementation, and they'll have to homebrew, which would be hard for many reasons with initiative, spells lasting a turn, etc. which was the reasoning for delay removal by WoTC
if by similar DnD you mean Pathfinder, that's actually Pathfinder, otherwise I would only think about Solasta, which is more or less faithful implementation of 5e and there is "ready action", but that's a bit different, which Larian chose to omit for some reason (maybe speed of combat for general audience)
Agreed, a number of times in combat I wanted to delay one of my party until after Shadowheart casted Bless for example.
Yeah, the Moonrise Tower assault is a hard battle. When I went in the first time, I had all the Harpers including Jaheira and it took me two tries. I wound up going around the kitchen entrance on the second try because that hallway that leads in from the front gate is a KILLBOX. Coming in from the side, you have a lot more movement options, and their formation isn't as well-positioned again you.
But it's rough. At no point was it an easy fight.
I had gone to moonrise tower before releasing the nightsong, I had freed the gnolls in the kitchen, so when I came back to fight, Barnabas and the other gnolls were on my side. It was a nice little surprise.
Oooh a super long episode is gracing us this morning ❤
There is a rule in DnD 5e where a PC can, on their turn, hold an action (not bonus action) or cast a spell waiting on a specific trigger. IE a wizard can wait to cast Fireball until the fighter and rogue have had a chance to disengage or move away from the boss.
However, the rule stipulates that when casting a spell, if the conditions you made under which you would've cast the spell don't occur, then you don't cast the spell, but you still lose the spell slot and any related components as if you did cast it.
I could see that being kind of difficult to program into the game, so I could see why they didn't put it in
Kudos to you guys as I lost Jaheira during Isobel's abduction battle 😢. I barely survived myself as my three other companions perished after eating through 8 resurrection scrolls. Yikes 😮. You guys taught me something this far into the game and that is to focus my firepower on those enemies who are concentrating their spells against me thereby breaking their respective concentration.
So maybe I'm not so bad after all and you're actually the moron here? Glad you're realizing this finally.
Get Gale a horse and he could join the Rohirrim.
To be fair you probably could have saved Isobel. However, you decided to split your forces during the fight
Thanks for the entertainment my dudes. I had a pretty bad phonecall from my employer so I appreciate the free entertainment.
I'm so sorry to hear that. Things will get better and glad we can soften the blow even a bit.
@@LucklessLovelocks Thanks. It helps to hear that.
With how much you throw weapons, there is a javelin I got, I think in the Underdark that automatically returns to you after throwing it.
Feels a bit cheaty but what I do whenever I can recruit someone is kit them out in good equipment, *even if I'm not taking them with me*, in case I want them later. There's enough good gear in the game by this point that it's viable.
The biggest shame about the way this play-through worked out is that you missed Ketheric Thorm's awesome introduction! To be fair, it is *really* not intuitive that you need to visit Moonrise Towers briefly first, then clear the Shadow-Cursed Lands, then go back and finish the towers
Backlash + Cull The Weak was kinda sick man 👌🏽
nice, its good to see more of the rest of the party!
Withers is a real G
That was a squad wipe. Number 6.
at 38:05 you should check the spell level of what the enemy is casting before attempting to counter it - your counterspell must match/exceed it to succeed I believe - it was a level 5 cone of cold vs a level 3 counterspell
Also, you should use psionic backlash IMO in addition to counterspell if another character has the ability to and it's just extra punishment, you can use 2 reactions on the same enemy in that scenario
Counterspell always works to counter any spell of the same level or lower. If you use a lower lvl Counterspell than the spell you are trying to counter, then you must succeed on an ability check against the spell.
@@androlgenhald476 Yeah that was the impression I was under too if you attempt a lower level counter
Kudos to Odd carrying the battle...including fuckless's weight.
I carried Odd through most of the game though haha
If you went to Moonrise towers before dealing with the Nightsong I think you would have had speech options at Moonrise.
Finally Odd has a Wizard! Been waiting to see this
8:08 he should take crossbow. Especially 2
The Slowed effect didn't come from a spell either. It came from an Ability called Black Hole. The one that yanks you all into a group. It's an illithid power. Like you all, this group has some powers. Black hole is easily one of my favorite powers thanks to its ability to group the enemies up for Gale's Fireballs.
That is a nice one!
During the Isobel thing , the winged horrors are hard coded to only target and attack Isobel and nothing else, while flaming fist Marcus targets randomly, could tried protecting her a little better though instead of fretting over jaheira
Silence does not stop concentration. It simply stops spellcasters from casting spells.with verbal components while they are in the bubble.
About the counterspell: It easts spell slots, so Gale had no higher spell slots left, otherwise he could have counterspelled with a higher spell slot and therefore blocked the cone of cold. Oh and you can counterspell a counterspell.
12:41 thanks to shield 😂
DND 5e allows you to "prepare" an action but you need to state beforehand what you're prepping for and what's the trigger. So, for example, say you have a big solo boss and you cast banishment on it. If the boss gets banished you have a minute (or less, if you so choose and drop the spell early) to prepare your attack. A wizard could say "I'm prepping a Finger of Death spell for when the boss reappears" and once the boss is back, said prepped spell gets launched. But in a different situation, if you prepare a spell for a trigger (for example, enemy getting into range of the spell) and the trigger doesn't happen, the spell fizzles away and you lose the spell slot and the action.
They made speed boots dirty
Fun fact, you can throw the Guardian of faith
Oh damn! That's good to know.
So sad with your playthrough. In mine I had an army of Harpers helping me out to clear the lower level. This is, as you found, a lot tougher with only Jaithera rather than her and I think at least a dozen Harpers and Fists to help (and you still get the xp even if they do the kill). Also I didn't have to fight Isobel or Marcus. Such a different encounter to my playthrough. Feeling kind of guilty having such an easy run. Well done pulling it off.
If you had gone to Moonrise first you will meet all these named characters and interact with them and get missions (including going to meet Balthazar). Being a 'True Soul' you just walk through the front gate. You'll also meet some old 'friends like the Goblins from the sacked village. Unfortunately you missed out on a lot. My mistake, and it still bugs me, is that I decided not to rescue the Tieflings as I was afraid I was going to break my cover. Still feel raw that you couldn't rescue them when you storm the Tower.
If you had played being a Wizard from the beginning you get to understand the ins and outs of spells, cantrips and counterspells. Don't feel bad as it really is the first time you have used a wizard.
Odd using his Alien Dark Descent tactic of choke points and creating a wall of fire. Pity there is no equivalents for sentry guns and mines!
They missed a HUGE amount of gameplay by not going to Moonrise Tower first.
Odd you are capable of upcasting spells. Using a higher spell slot for more damage or additional effects depending on the spell.
After selecting a spell, select the level at which you want to cast it, the default is the base level.
edit: LL reminded you I see.
On Gale I really liked the counter spell which is a lvl3 spell slot reaction. Saved my partys ass a dozens times since I got it. Also shield is quite nice and comes cheap as lvl 1 reaction.
Why got rid of mage amor? It's lvl1, can be cast directly after long rest and stays until next rest. It would be better imho to keep it and have the disappearance spell added on.
Doesn't mage armor just increase AC to a certain amount? I thought our AC was higher than what it would apply.
@@ChristopherOdd it is.
Just always going in gunblazing. Never chats it up, missing lots of plot, early ended quests...
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Some of you are Really focused on these things. Even with a guide you'll "miss" a massive amount of content. IMO we're just going through our own path in the story. We're not missing anything. We're experiencing things our own way. Just relax and enjoy the path because you'll see different things from your playthrough or others I guarantee. I'm having a MUCH better time letting go of seeing everything and playing the way I want.
@@LucklessLovelocks Nah. Guess broken dialog is too jarring for me. Meh, I just like story
Generally wizards dont need armor with spells like shield, and Mage armor, Blur is also amazing.
Shield is almost a must pick, and counterspell. XD
It is interesting to see how others play with wizards though.
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Its a good idea to check what level a spell is the enemy is casting.
If an enemy casts a level 4 spell and you counterspell at level 3, you will have to roll for it to succeed, or cast counterspell at level 4.
A level 3 counterspell cancels a level 3 spell.
A level 4 counterspell cancels a level 4 or lower spell.
A level 3 counterspell will not automatically cancel a level 4 or higher spell, otherwise it would be crazy that a level 3 counterspell can cancel out a level 9 spell, without any check.
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Fireball doesnt leave a flammable surface, D&D is very specific in its wording, like Ice knife explains it leaves a slippery surface, or flaming Sphere says it leaves behind a flaming surface trail. A spell will specify if it leaves a surface of some kind, if it doesnt say it does, then it doesnt.
Like you can take a lighter to some surfaces, without anything catching fire. XD it will depend on your DM though, like if the surface is a carpet flooring they’d allow it to catch fire, or tapestry on some nearby walls, but a stone surface would just char.
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Silence only stops future spells from being cast, not current effects, and even then only people in that area. Personally I dont think silence is that great of a spell in BG3. It is good in some situations in roleplay, like to muffle the sound of Knock, or if you are sneaking in a house and plan to assassinate a guard or kidnap someone, as it mutes all sound, it could even muffle gun fire if you had a gunslinger assassin.
In general open combat though, in BG3 especially, I havent found a way to make it that great though, because as witnessed a minute later… enemies can just walk out of it.
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The only way to deal with a counter-spell is if you had a reaction on your caster still, basically you are counter-spelling a counterspell.
I’m not sure how it works in BG3 though. If your caster doesnt have a reaction, then you either suffer the effect, or unless you had a second caster. In Tabletop it is also DM dependent, some DM’s wont allow it if your caster cast a bonus action spell, because of some rule that exists, which is a poorly written rule in some people’s opinions, in that you cant cast two spells that have a level in a single turn.
So it would require testing if you can counterspell after casting something like Misty step.
Larion typically goes with the rule of cool and Fun though, so it would shock me if they denied the ability to counterspell after using a bonus action spell. It is a bit of a Niche situation though.
I really got to give you guys props to doing this fight. XD
If you had saved Isobel, and the last light Inn was still a safe zone, this fight is a bit easier because you have backup from the harpers and flaming fists.
Also this is a bit late now, but the Adamantine shield really isnt that great, better off choosing the armor pieces. Laezel, Shadow, Karlach can all wear medium armor, and get a pretty high AC from it. I got Laezel up to like 21 AC with that and other gear. Karlach is like 18 I think.
I also gave Karlach a magic piece that gives her Shield as a spell, so for one round she can have like 23 AC which is insane.
The last light Inn battle went bad because Isobel got kidnapped and she was the one that was keeping the Shadow Curse at bay. You had not long rested which was why you failed quite early too in the battle.
And for some reason we thought we had to save Jaheira
@@LucklessLovelocksgood choice, she has some story in actual city, being THE Jaheira, I mean characters died, but they died for good content
COUNTERSPELL
CounterSpell always has an automatic success against spells of the same level or lower as the CounterSpell being used. So, if the enemy uses a 5th Circle spell and you use a CounterSpell with a 5th Circle slot, it's a guaranteed counter. If the CounterSpell's slot is lower, a roll will be made, and the difficulty, in short, will depend on the opponent's spell slot, ignoring the CounterSpell's slot in this case. In other words, to nullify a 6th Circle spell, using a CounterSpell of 3rd, 4th, or 5th Circle is the same thing, but using a 6th Circle counter will ensure success.
In summary: If you want to guarantee the CounterSpell, always use a slot of the same level as the casted spell or higher (if you don't have one of the same level). If you want to take the risk with a roll, always use the lowest slot you have.
You guys probably shouldn't have waited until part 58 to swap in different party members 😂
Would've been easier to learn how to properly use a Wizard had you brought Gale against a few Goblins first...
All the people are named in the tower because you can go to the tower and do a bunch of stuff. You got that warning about the tower before because Halsin was in your group and he doesn't have a parasite not because you weren't supposed to go there to do stuff.
Is it possible 65:00 to use the wind push on any cloud spell like you did with cloud toxic cloud once when you rescue (got his head) a guy in the mine?
Oh wow btw I didn't realize that no only did you not have the army of Harpers at your back, but since you had not infiltrated the tower at all, you had 2-3 really powerful enemies that usually end up dead during the infiltration so one does not have to face them in this battle.
To fix the portraits change class and then go back again to your class.
I haven’t had gale the whole story due to cutting his arm off at the beginning 😂
If the spell is 3rd level or lower - no check on counterspell, if higher - you either match lvl of the spell with counterspell slot (lvl5 spell you counterspell with lvl5 spell slot for counterspell), or you roll for check with lower counterspell. At least that's is from memory what I understand. Otherwise it would be broken, that you autocounter spells lvl5+ with your lvl3 counterspell without any rolls (easy power word kill counter, lol)
38:31 common thing. Counter spell is weaker against it.
Luckless should seriously consider re-speccing Shadowheart to Life domain and not her default Trickery domain because it’s sad to see a Cleric on the team with zero heals being used lol he would still get to use all of the spells he’s been favoring so far too.
yeah this was what I was thinking too
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No way to hold a turn really, but you can kinda cheese the system with movement. Like say you have an enemy next to Gale, a squishy wizard, you want to move him but can’t because he will take an attack of opportunity, and he is close to the start of turn order. If the enemy next to him is low health, you can end Gale’s turn, kill that enemy with another character, go back to Gale, and cancel his end turn order and now he is free to move or act.
Its a bit Niche, but it can come in handy.
A 17 AC Gale for you guys is nice though, Tanky wizard. Haha
Explain to me how the heck you remembered "Jeheras" name. Normally you get lost turning the corner.
in nwn you will have failures to cast a spell if you wear a shield, it’s probably the same here.
Weirdly this fight is actually way harder if you save the inn. All of the flaming fists and harpers show up so you have like 20 NPCS clogging the hallways and you just get torn apart by AOE and darkness spells and you cant get thru the NPCS to actually do anything.
38:03 cone of cold is a level 5 spell.
Counter spell is a level 3 spell. When attempting to counter level 4 or higher spells "your character" in this case gale, must make a successful "check" in order to nullify the spell.
Real Dnd works differently tho. "Counter spell" can only counter spells levels of same or lower levels.
To counter high level spells they need to upcast it.
Not so. It works the same way; if you counter a higher level spell, you roll your casting stat to see if it works. If you upcast, you can auto-counter higher level spells, but you have the option of not upcasting if you wanna roll the dice.
@@maxsalmon4980 yeah the counter spell description is very vegue on that upcast details.
@@Kreence I'm not actually sure the upcast Counterspell in the game auto-counters higher level spells. It'd make sense if it does, but I haven't tried it in that context yet.
Gonna be that guy, but you should really make sure you're actually correct before stating things like they're the truth. Maxsalmon already answered you with how Counterspell actually works in tabletop, and it wouldn't have taken more than a 30 second google to make sure you were correct. Instead, (even if you have good intentions) you're spreading misinformation. Either make this effort to verify or don't talk about things you're not sure about like you are please !
@@Youwanttodream I didnt realize that some tabletop fans are this sensitive, im really sorry sir. I played dnd like 10 years ago. This is just base of what I remember.
The "misinformation your talking about only effects tabletop players" cause what I said in the game description is true.
Yup, and last time I checked, anyone can comment on youtube whenever they want without "googling it. I only provided odd the game description which is the true description of the spell.
Maybe im wrong on how tabetop works but that doesnt matter, because they are NOT playing tabletop. So your crying for no reason at all. Rather than "be that guy"
Either accept the reality where anyone can comment on youtube as they pleases. Or dont tell or order others what they can or cant write.
Yes, in D&D you can delay your initiative, though I believe that choice is locked in for the rest of a given battle (e.g. if you choose to delay, that's your new initiative roll)
I thought otherwise. Like you can only hold your action but not movement or bonus and you have to set certain terms of what you want to do.
You can't change your init count in D&D, but you can choose to use your action to prepare for an out-of-turn reaction based on a trigger. If the trigger you choose (such as: enemy casts a spell, or enemy comes within reach of me, or whatever) doesn't happen, you've wasted your action. Regardless, your initiative count is the same, you basically just change your action into a reaction for that turn.
@@maxsalmon4980 ah you're right. The pitfalls of playing for a long time. What I said about is the 3.5e ruling lol.
in 5e rules there is no delay, there is only "ready action" (idk why Larian didn't implement that, maybe for a flow of combat and it being too complex for general audience), they removed delay, it may return in One DnD
@@nickrubin7312 I suspect it may be because readying an action requires you to set a trigger event that causes your reaction to take place, and that's just too open ended to easily code into a computer game. That's my guess at least.
Ya woulda had more illithid powers if ya hadn't yeeted them three-four chosen off cliffs
You got owned by the cone of cold and your counter spell was useless because cone of cold is a level 5 spell and you chose to cast a level 3 counter spell (you could have chosen level 4 to give you a better chance).
The saddest thing about the Harpers dying is there is no merchant to sell all your tower loot to.
We have plenty of other merchants. Actually 2 haha
@@LucklessLovelocks oh yeah you'll be okay. It's just funny because the Harper quartermaster is IN the moonrise lobby after the fight if she's alive, right next to the 100 corpses.
Yep, literally pick up all you can carry, walk over to quartermaster to unload, then go back for more =)
Insanity doing the same thing over and over expecting different results
That's actually not the definition of insanity although most people believe it is.
@@LucklessLovelocksOdd teased that fireball too long.
Hmm.... Too bad there are no Harpers to help out with this battle.
I'd love to see your faces in a tiny area of the video.
Cool , that female Ogre was the one having sex in the barn ... well maybe
Please summon stuff before battles :P
Hopefully this is not the last episode, seeing as how the can end the campaign and skip act 3 here (not saying how)
Just a head's up, there a displacer beast transformation in the Ilithid tree(it was somewhere at the top I think) which unlocks after a certain part with the Dream guardian. Should be useful for a Druid class
You lost a lot of content by not going to moonrise towers earlier in Act 2, it would have been peaceful to you and there are a lot to explore and do, you are supposed to go there as soon as possible in Act 2 as instructed
OMG sell your loot please 💰
We were going to today and then Odd was like we don't need money and I was like we also have nothing to buy because all the merchants are dead so we didn't haha
@@LucklessLovelocks boulders gate has merchants 👀👀
All these Named People here, maybe there is another way to do this ?
Jeah you missed out on roughly 3 Episodes worth of Content since all these "Go to Investigate Moonrise Tower" Quests kind of ended when you allowed Nightsong to start the Assault - Thats why the game was warning you before freeing here :D
Also Finally Gale is here! Btw my top picks for Wizard Casting for you try out:
Summoning: Any summon Spell is awesome, every summon has hp to tank and cool utility and some damage.
Haste: You know you want it.
Hold Person/Monster: The Target Creature is paralyzed and cant do anything , also you always hit and you always crit if its melee. Its just so ridicolus to use this spell on bosses to allow Karlach / Owlbear Odd to absolutly slaughter Enemies.
3 episodes is a bit generous?
Save the Teiflings, and watch Thorm do his little show of invulnerability, and let Astarion bite that one girl.
Thats like 1 episode of content, plus some talking.
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist Well and the Pier Area with the Zhentarim Delivery, the Underground passage to the Mindflayer Feast Corpses as well as Balthazars secret Library?
I looooove the way it all worked out for us. Now we're at the tower for revenge with our glowing new ally! It all built up to this and we're gonna throw down.
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The Pier area doesnt take long? A small combat.
I may have missed the other things? Unless I’m mistaken though, but dont you go to the mindflayer place after confronting Thorm? I didnt open any locked doors until the siege if the lab was inside the tower upstairs, didnt want to aggro the whole tower on me.
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist you get the key to library from the Orc lady after you convince her to send you out to Balthazar. She advices not to linger in Balthazars room, but nobody cares how long you stay inside, even when you kill Balthazars Zombie Guards that will ambush you in the Library in Moonrise.
The Majority of the Mindflayer colony is off limits yes, but you can enter a smaller diffrent part earlier from the prison complex.
You also have to decide whats happening with the barrel full of Tadpoles the Zhentarim ship to the city.
I love you guys but this playthru is skipping like half the story, doing side quests and stumbling into the main quest. Moonrise towers was full of quests, story and conversation. You chose to skip half of act 2. I feel is just fights without story content. There is so much more to this game that was skipped. You should do a second playthru and follow the story. Just a thought.
This is our path through the story. It's literally impossible even with a walkthrough to not "skip" a ton of stuff. Don't worry so much, enjoy the ride!
@@LucklessLovelocks I also tire of all these comments saying that you missed something, or did things in the wrong order. But you totally neglected the tower, heh.
Wouldn't change a thing!@@Antelano
@@LucklessLovelocks I ended up inadvertently doing the same thing, since I basically tried to clear the whole map before going to Moonlight Towers. There's so much story stuff, missing some of it won't really matter too much.
I did manage to save Isobel, so I had help for this fight at least. But had to do it twice because Jaheira was incredibly suicidal >.
@@LucklessLovelocks its valid but no this is not one of the instances where its just a different path, you skipped a lot of the game that was meant for you to experience, the game kept telling you to go to moonrise towers since act 1 and you ignored it until you finished everything else in act 2.