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Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra - S5E02 - Star Trek The Next Generation
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2020
- The Tamarians spoke entirely by allegory, referencing mytho-historical people and places from their culture. As a result, Federation universal translators - although they could successfully translate the individual words and sentence structure - were unable to convey the symbolic meaning they represented. Without prior knowledge of the Tamarians' history and legends, a word-by-word translation was of no use to someone attempting to communicate with them. This language barrier led to the isolation of the Tamarian people after all attempts at communication had failed.
For example, instead of asking for cooperation, they would use a phrase such as "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra", because their culture's stories include a tale of two Tamarians, Darmok and Jalad, who were brought together while fighting a common foe on an island called Tanagra. The problem with communicating in this fashion is that without understanding the context of the reference, the metaphor has no meaning.
"Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" - cooperation
"Shaka, when the walls fell" - failure
"Temba, his arms wide" - signifying a gift
"Sokath, his eyes uncovered" - understanding/realization
"The beast at Tanagra" - a problem to be overcome
"Uzani, his army" - fight together
A new legend was created: Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel
*****
6:06 "Picard and Dathon at El Adrel"
With those words, Picard's name entered the Tamarian history book and the Federation gained a new ally. A perfect example on how diplomacy works in classic Trek series....
Their history book is also their dictionary.
i hope they appear in Picard. and that reference is made to confirm just as it did here that it has entered their species social consciousness
*proper Trek Series.
not allies, but not enemies. Potential friends, if more contact occurs
@@titusjames4912 ..... I believe 70% of humans wouldn't be able for that kind of communication
This is the quintessential Star Trek episode. It embodies all the ideals that the series was founded upon. Discovering new life and new civilizations, overcoming our differences and learning our similarities, and with just a bit of wacky alien planet adventure filmed in the deserts of California. It's perfect, and I love it to death.
Darmok is one of my favorite Next Gen episodes. It's the kind of episode that makes Star Trek so meaningful and powerful, Duet from DS9 is another.
I feel exactly the same way, amazing writing in both of these
@@samuelcaponi4516 It is really what the missions of Star Fleet are all about, meeting and communicating with new species not fighting the same enemy time and time again.
Devil in the dark, TOS.
You right, The Light Within is my other go-to Next Gen episode I show to friends in attempt to hook em.
temba with his arms wide
😈
This is what Star Trek used to be about: Philosophy, science and socio-cultural anthropology. It really awakened the imagination and possibilities to lovers of science fiction. All I can say regarding modern trek is "Shaka, when the walls fell!"
What with a childhood full of missionary presentations at church and Star Trek episodes on weeknights, my college anthropology class felt like a boring rehash.
@@sarahk5412 Yep, in that class myself, and luckily for me with having remote learning keeps the boringness to a minimum
Picard with Icheb, his eye lost.
You have no idea how much I hate what they are doing to our beloved characters. I don't even want to see any more on any new incarnation of Star Wreck.
@@doncoyote68 underrated comment
“James T. Kirk and the Gorn at Cestus III.”
Gorn, throwing a boulder
@@1000niggawatt Kirk, with fists, locked!
Dammit, Not a doctor
Kelvin, when the canon failed!
@@KryptonianChaos1 jj Abrams and Alex Kurtzman at fan fiction sites...
Interesting development. "In his second contact with the Tamarians, Admiral Picard presented the Tamarian ambassador to the Federation with copies of two of his favorite books - namely, the King James Bible and the Complete works of William Shakespeare. This was thought to be a symbolic gesture, with there being little or no expectation that the Tamarians would be able to read them. However, in recent years Tamarians encountering the Federation have made increasing use of metaphors from both of these works. It is surmised that this is an indication that both were understood more quickly than anticipated, and have become popular amongst Starship crews and diplomats. Occasionally metaphors from the history of the Federation are also encountered."
Imagine the Federation and the Tamarians using passages from the King James Bible and William Shakespeare to communicate.
"Juliet on her balcony."
"Othello, his rage increasing!"
"Jesus and the children."
"Henry at Agincourt!"
Jonah and the great fish.
Once more unto the breach.
Macbeth and the forest.
Daniel in the lions den.
Too much! LOL but yes, it makes perfect logical sense.
Hamlet with his bare bodkin
Shakaa, the cereal bar.
Cesario at court!
Cesario and Orsino, their eyes veiled.
Viola and Orsino, their eyes open.
Sadly Picard has the last copy of those two works. The federation has their own God; Kirk and the Admiralty. Shakespeare has been overused so much Picard probably got the parody versions.
Trek is dumb on faction design.
This episode is a crash course in leadership. How the entire team solves the language problem, but with how Riker deals with shit up on the enterprise is masterful. Directing a team of competent professionals. Listening to their opinions and respecting their input while making the hard choices.
I assume the Tamarians were trying to keep the language simple for Picard to try and interpret...hence the apparent simplicity of their metaphors.
@Neil Rosenau Jesus, leave politics out of this.
When Picard fails at making fire... "Shaaakaaaa when the walls fell..." hahahahaha
😂😂😂
Dalthan,when he trolled piccard
"Shaka indeed"
@@rebelrouzer5318 lol that is another phrase added to their language
Hehe I love how Dathon’s voice goes up at the end of “fell”. Like he’s really amused by it. And Picard not overly minding the little jab.
This episode drove me to read "The Epic of Gilgamesh" Wonderful story
Me too! His arms wide
One of the greatest and oldest of all time. It's beautiful how such an old story has the same themes as one made thousands of years later. It really goes to show the universality and immortality of the human experience.
so basically: Sokath, his eyes uncovered
The abridged or un-edited version?
One of the best, non-borg, Next Generation episodes, not for its action but for its story. Fascinating. 🖖🤨
dont forget the flute episode!
@@synclair6131 inner light. measure of a man is also great
Yesterday's Enterprise, Deja Q, Sarek, Family, Half A Life, Tapestry, The Chase, The Pegasus, All Good Things
lots of good stuff
"Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" - Friend/Together/United
"Shaka, when the walls fell" - Something Devastating happened
"Temba, his arms wide" - Giving you "the item BLANK", (He holds a knife to you, asking do you want to fight?)
"Temba, At rest" - Giving you "Peace", (We shall not fight)
"Sokath, his eyes uncovered" - They understand/realization
"The beast at Tanagra" - a problem/a formidable foe
"Uzani, his army" - An Attack
Correction: Temba at rest = Keep, stand that kinda thing
indeed "Temba, his arms wide" is a generous offering of an item or help.
Slight Correction
"Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" = Co-operation in the face of adversity
"Darmok and Jalad on the Ocean" = Friendship (Connotation: Frienship gained through facing adversity together also perhaps enemy of my enemy is my friend)
Shaka when the walls fell just means failure. Picard uses it when he didn't know of a story to tell. So its not necessarily a devastating failure.
Orion the great hunter and artemis on island. Orion slain by scorpius. Both orion and beast commemorated in opposing horizons in sky as constellations. Narrative similar to greek legend.
Shaka, when the walls fell -- a failure
"Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" sounds like a rock band concert.
There is a shirt of this you can buy it looks 70's.
@@frostshock13 yeah, Picard is wearing a muscle shirt and jamming on a geetar if I remember correct.
But the concert was canceled because of covid 19.Shaka when the walls fell.
Gorgoroth
They were the opening act for the Bay City Rollers.
A civilization that basically communicates only in memes. Gene Roddenberry really did predict the future.
Pepe, his eyes brighten.
"Rai and Jiri at Lungha. Rai of Lowani. Lowani under two moons. Jiri of Ubaya. Ubaya of crossroads, at Lungha. Lungha, her sky gray."
Not many discuss this greeting, so I thought I would give it a shot. Feel free to add your input or take. Rai and Jiri sound like prominent people from their representative cultures. Rai comes from a place called Lowani, and Jiri hails from Ubaya. The fact that only Lowani is "under two moons" and not Ubaya suggests that these individuals come from different planets, and they both meet at Lungha either by chance or by force. Mentioning the gray sky at Lungha may have a dual meaning: the planet's weather condition when they met and symbolic uncertainty.
So perhaps the greeting went something like this: "Welcome to El-Adrel IV. You, the flagship from your homeworld, and we, the flagship from ours, come here together to communicate. However, it remains unclear whether such a thing is possible."
That's actually pretty damn clever. I agree with your analysis and offer that perhaps Lungha, her Sky Grey might also be "We feel ambivalent towards you"
Well done,I mean "In winter!"
@@jackgoff2072 Don't you mean "on the ocean?" 😉
By far and away, my favorite episode of the entire series! Paul Winfield was magnificent, the writing on this episode was awesome! It deserved an Emmy!
Absolutely not!
He also played Captain Clark Terrell in The Wrath of Khan, if you'd like to see him without the makeup.
Gotta love the captions hearing "bridezilla forge" instead of "Riker to LaForge"
FRT!
these are qualities that we have insufficient measure 0:27
Thank you so much for downloading this! It's the only extended clip about 'Darmok' - one of the best Star Trek episode ever.
"He, who was my companion through adventure and hardship, is now gone forever...."
Shaka when the walls fell, and everything else along with them.
This may be the best single sci-fi story that I have read/seen in my 65 years in sci-fi and I go back to first run Space Patrol (1955).
The grey uniform with the red jacket was by far the coolest outfit picard ever wore
My favorite part of this episode was when Picard tells them their cohort died in battle, and they make a little sign of grieving before continuing the conversation
“Their language is so dumb! It’s like an entire species who speak only in Internet memes!” -Rich Evans, hack fraud extraordinaire
Language can be odd and/or interesting. I found this episode completely interesting. I'm a long-time specialist in helping children's speech and language be understood by adults. Digging into the mystery has kept me happy in my field.
Surprised Doge and Me Gusta, when Facedbook fell.
@@Neyonius Karen when the manager comes out
@@sleepycritical6950 Ka'ren when employee is manager
His arms locked
@Chris Handsome quoted, "Their language is so dumb!"
If a child is taught the words "Shaka, when the walls fell" it is truly meaningless without knowing who or what Shaka was, what a wall was, what the act of falling was, what happened at this time to cause the wall to fall, and why it was significant. There would therefore have to be individual words for things, actions, concepts of consequences both literally and figuratively. Yes, the language is VERY dumb!
One of the best episodes not top ten but ten 15 for sure
A beautiful episode.
One of my favorites in all star trek.
Them saving his life, and him screaming, *"NO! NOOO!"* was powerful.
Yeah. Picard was making a breakthrough, and the last thing he wanted was to leave Dathon to die.
I know EXACTLY how the alien captain felt , I feel the same way every time I walk out my front door .
This is my favorite episode of TNG, for 3 reasons: 1) Stewart and Winfield are both brilliant. 2) Unlike other "mystery" episodes of TNG, the mystery of the language is not dumbed-down for the audience. We have to learn the language along with Picard. 3) Picard finally gets his "Captain Kirk" moment. Normally Picard defers to Data or Geordi or Riker for solutions. Here, he waltzes onto the bridge, takes charge and resolves the crisis.
Great story. Paul Winfield was perfectly cast. Thank you.
acting through all of that makeup, almost bringing tears to my eyes when the character died. amazing
I still say this to my wife, "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, Shaka when the walls fell" At work I feel like this a bit. I tell the young engineers,"It's like tears in rain..." crickets, they don't know what Blade Runner is.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
My kids only understand "Luke ... I am your father".
@@tibbydudeza Exactly!!!!!!
@@tibbydudeza when the line actually doesn't exist.
Tamarians are the same as jojo fans, they only speak in references
space weebs
Ha!
Now I know how it feels to see/ read “ambulance” in a rearview mirror.
His eyes uncovered!
Bar none this is the best example of what Jean Roddenberry was trying to show us and example of two men that have to learn to talk to communicate and share through fighting a common enemy I love this series thank you for sharing this
Love picard's jacket in this one
Paul Winfield brought us Dathan and also....Captain Terrell in ST2 and General Franklin in B5 Gropos. He's been gone 17 years now.
I thought he was still alive until 5 minutes ago :( RIP
That look Data gives Picard as he is addressing the Aliens when he returns. It's like "what the hell is this dumb human about to say? And did he really figure it out?!"
The basic lessons of two people, separated only by language.
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.
Most unforgettable line of dialogue in the history of Star Trek.
And yet, all people ever say is...
bEaM mE uP sCoTtY!
Gordon and Earnhardt at Talladega
That monster was pretty scary the first time I saw this episode. RIP Paul Winfield.
man this is like trying to communicate with redditors who talk with dumb memes that make little sense.
except instead of dumb memes, they speak in historical epic battles.
just ... slightly different, from dumb memes.
basically the Tamarian were like 'WTF' and the Federation had Google Translate.
Ironic, how in a video of a TNG episode about not understanding communication, all the credits are reversed.
Darmok and Jalad at Tenagra
Gilgamesh and Enkidu at Uruk
This is the language of Earth's oldest epic
Is the entire Federation unable to make this connection?
That's Paul Winfield as the Tamarian captain.
thank you, I was trying to think of his name.
He is amazing here. RIP
Who ever wrote this episode... Well done. It's a story idea that is so unique and yet when you watch it you think "Of course this would happen with aliens, their entire perspective on existence would be different".
To quote an ex-coworker of mind - the best ideas are those that seem obvious in hindsight but you wouldn't ever of thought of yourself.
Paul Winfield as Dathon , aka Captain Terrell from "Star Trek 2 - Wrath of Khan".
That final moment when Picard salutes and honors his fallen brother in arms. Trek at its best.
I have basic level Chinese I learned from my wife and self-study. I visited my wife's rural China hometown. At one point my brother-in-law (lao tiao) and I got lost in the wilderness. That event always reminded me of Darmok. I learned a few Chinese words in context from that adventure. For instance, I learned the word "diao le," meaning "lost." Didn't learn any metaphors though.
Temba. His arms wide
"Give me port thrusters at one-quarter impulse while sending particles of antimatter at a stochastic rate through the halcyon emitters and prepare to jump to warp speed at heading 312, mark 5." Try putting that command into metaphors.
the thing is, in the first conversation between their captain and what i guess is the first officer, he also literally just says one word and the first officer understands completely. so it seems, some metaphors are more equal than others. we humans don't have a one word metaphor to convey an entire conversation.
This. Also, try to develop the physics required to build a warp capable spaceship.
Jeriko, when the walls fell...
Donald and Joelad at Pennsylvania
When the walls fell...(and mexico didn't pay)...lol
Just such a good episode. Temba, his arms wide. Give me more of this Star Trek instead of the current stuff.
Picard and Dathon at El Adrel
Karen, with her sails unfurled
no, Karen with they eyes red and dark
I could have sworn it was Darmok and Jalad, when the walls fell. But i could have been mestaken.
shaka (me) when the walls fell
darkmok and jalad at tenagra
I wonder if there's a place where fans have gone to debate and form how humans would communicate in this style. Taking an interest in history that has grown over the years there are definitely some ideas that come to mind, the one that strikes me the most
"Otto von bismark, iron and blood" -A man who sees the future for what it is.
Watched this episode for an assignment in mass comms class back in college
Connor and Terminator at Cyberdyne.
When you're trying to help your squad but you lag into your own haven
That mirrored episode was definitely like their speech pattern
So what was their language like before they had references to draw upon?
Leonidas, at Thermopylae
Julius Caesar crossing the Rubicon
Hitler in his bunker
Sisyphus, pushing the stone
Thor, arriving in Wakanda
The Hound, eating chicken
One of the best episodes of TNG. Great writing and acting. And the end is sad. :(
It would be interesting to see if Picard was ordered to seek out military assistance from the Tamarians during the Dominion war. After all, they had some powerful ships that could make a serious contribution to the war effort. He would be known to the Tamarians in their language so having him go back to make the request would be fitting. It would be quite something to see how Picard would come up with the appropriate metaphors.
my favorite tng epoisode
well done.........
the episode was titled "Darmok", which when reversed is Komrad. I always wondered if that was intentional
I don't consider myself a Trekkie, but I thoroughly enjoyed Next Generation. Lots of thought went into those episodes. It's the only series I watched, though I have seen several episodes of the original.
"He who was my companion through adventure and hardship, is gone forever."
thank you, his arms wide
Darmak and Jalad at Tanagra is often the first thought in my head each morning. Somethings right with me.
And you know Star Trek knew the future when it predicted meme culture.
One of the best episodes.
"Midst the third war, when the walls of Kalimdor defenders fell, Shaka, the Ancient of War, refused."-The Walls Fell
I don't understand though, how do the Tamarians learn a new story, if they only speak in allegory? You have to know a story in order to speak, so how do you learn what a story is? It seems very inefficient, or there's something important we don't know about Tamarian language.
Like.. I could say "Chewbacca, when the droids won" to suggest a feeling of mild annoyance at losing a trivial competition, and/or a sudden urge to forcibly remove someone's limb, but if you haven't seen Star wars, you don't know what I mean. Maybe Chewbacca had bet money on the droids winning. Maybe Chewbacca is a droid. You don't know.
So how do I describe what happened in that story? I could tell you, "Shaun and Ed in the garden shed" and "Rocky in the first match" and then "Shaun, when Ed apologized", to convey playing a game, losing, and being annoyed, but then if you haven't seen Rocky, and Shaun of the Dead, you still don't know what I mean. At some point you have to actually *tell* the story, and for that you need a language of more than allegory.
Also, in this episode, Riker nearly starts an interstellar war because he doesn't know what else to do. All he knows is that he can't allow any harm to come to Captain Picard, because if that happened he'd have to do something besides exactly what he wants to.
Or "Draco, when Apollo fell."
"Rocky, when the Russians turned"
@@curtisberard7831 "Gandalf, the Balrog looming."
"Theodin, when the beacons were lit"
"Gimli, side by side with an elf."
"Samwise, his temper tested."
"Gollum in his cave, his riddles answered."
@@TheOtherGuys2 Legolas, when the ladies swoon
Smeagle, his precious retrieved
ironically they understood federal common tongue, or whatever it's called.
@@shakaama Well, it's shown in Voyager that the Federation's universal translators extend out towards other as a Japanese character said he heard the crew speaking Japanese in the episode "The 37s".
They may also "understand" it through a use of their own version of a universal translator.
"Bonaparte, at Moscow. His hair on fire"
"Mao, in Shaanxi. His feet hurting"
"Washington, on the Delaware. His balls freezing"
Hitler in the bunker...
@@kathleenthomas7496 smelling like almonds"
This reminds me of that one guy from the Jackie Chan cartoon.
"Monkey plucks two PEACHES!"
If you're talking about the bug guy with red hair, he was calling out his attacks.
It's an old martial arts trope.
“If their wounds are in their backs, who shall stanch their blood?” (IV, chap. 11, 88).
Paul Winfield was great as the Tamarian captain.
In a DS9 episode there is a species which speak in poetry however the universal translator converts the words to nursery rhyme
A lot of Chinese works on four character idiomatic phrases relating to shared cultural memes.
Chaka was a demolition expert , famous for knocking down walls.
This was shown to me in anthropology class as an example of how one would interact with a foreign culture.
I loved this episode.
If they encountered the Klingons the entire episode would be shorter than this summary.
CRY HAVOC! and let slip the dogs of war...
Niet, my friend, they invented this shit.
Klingons would figure it out almost instantly
(but kill them all anyway).
Was there a purpose in flipping the images so the text appeared in reverse? Was that to avoid copyright?
this one and inner light are two of my favorites
"How do I look?"
"Like shit boss"
"Yo mama!"
Classic!!
Archer at pirate bay confused by idioms
The Mocclans used to be really chill.
Floyd, when the kneel fell
I truly love this episode, but what strikes me as odd is that the Tamarians are truly baffled that no one on the Enterprise has ever heard of Darmok. A space traveling race with comparable tech to the federation...and until now they never ran into a civilization that couldn’t understand them? Everyone in the universe has heard of Darmok and Jallad except Picard’s bridge crew?
the first contact they had with the federation, the captain couldn't figure it out, so he made a note and moved on, and no one ever contacted them ever again.
We're supposed to imagine that, even with the universal translator, doing its best, they barely get xyz AND pdq AT bbb.
The video cut out the best part, Picard telling the story of Gilgamesh at the campfire
Darmok at CZcams.
This is the most intriguing and best episode in my eyes, i wish they developed more lore behind these Tamarian figures that they speak about, Darmok was a mythohistorical figure in their culture, it wouldve been great to get a backstory as well as for everyone else they mention. Like Shaka! His eyes uncovered! Who is Shaka? A possible philosopher? A jesus type figure? I want more! Lol
Good episode... but it begs the question... How the heck does this species say something like: "Run a level-3 diagnostic on the deuterium detectors with harmonic neutrino field as soon as you're done aligning the transducers" .... You're going to tell me they have a metaphor for that?
"LaForge to bridge"
That's called a suspension of disbelief. LOL 🖖🤨✌️
In fields such as engineering and programming, a musical language was used to convey precise equations, numbers and instructions; thus explaining how Tamarians could effectively operate starships.
Basically they sing to each other.
@@sleepycritical6950 was this established in later novels? I love this episode.
@@sr-oj9ev it was in a guide book or something which expanded upon the tamarian culture. I forgot where tho
trek, its days done, shaka when the walls fell
1:49 Prometheus
That's shooting