Britain FINALLY Enters the Top Tier Meta - Challenger 3 - War Thunder
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- The British Challenger 3, a vehicle that brings Britain into the top tier Meta of not only siginificant mobility, but also modern firepower!
00:00 - So what's new?/PSA
04:33 - Sleezy Sniping
08:46 - I AM the SPAA
13:35 - Behind Enemy Lines
16:44 - Slow and.. Not really steady
21:23 - I HATE THESE SIGHTS
25:54 - The Verdict :D
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You killed spookston while making this vid Justin it’s in his t90m video😂😂
Just came from that video😂
@@mrshine6955 same
I just came from that video and
Britain finally getting a good meta tank and all it took was a different gun.
Challenger 3 has different armour in the turret too, but i know War Thunder hasn't modelled it.
It really isn’t meta lol the Chally 2E is significantly better
@@CabbageBloke it's not the actual challenger 3 it's a prototype which is pretty much the challenger 2 with the l/55 fitted into it
@@xpcube Challenger 3 also had the new armour matrix (at the time)
@@supercarguy547 ik britain is not meta but the 2E is not better thank the new chally 3
It has both the gun and speed!
This is basically the best tank Britain will got and it’s just a sidegrade.
they can add realistically 2 more challenger 3 versions. Last being with APS
*upgrade
You could feasibly commonwealth in a Canadian 2A6, and there's the chance for the 130mm testebed though there's so little to go off there that it's inclusion is pretty unlikely.
@@nobleman-swerve the 130mm prototype would imo be best to give to both britain and germany. IF it were ever added. Well no it would be added but not any times soon
@@nobleman-swerve Problem is, is that Canada is already in the US tech tree
6:38 that transmission probably isn’t properly modeled in game. It’s most likely limited to a certain ratio or gaijin is most likely using an older chally models gear ratio.
even the older models transmission are not modelled correctly. when you try and turn it kills all your momentum and/or brings you to a stop. pretty sure it should have regen steering, meaning that it should control smoothly during an accelerated turn, but it doesnt.
BEA and KMW stated it in their documents the Chally 3 is capped at 60 km/h, nato tanks can go faster but they restrict the speed, because the tracks hold longer. The Leo 2 could go theoretical 120 km/h, the tracks are build to withstand that speed. Naturally the engine can´t take it.
@@PeterJ1851 yeah, and when they deploy, such as in Afghanistan that restriction is removed, but enforced. example, they CAN go faster but the crews are advised to go slowly to keep the longevity of the vehicle and to not hinder preformance.
@@kaiotie1 I don't think gaijin is ever modeling regenerative steering if russian tank doesn't have it. Spall liners were added with similiar fashion
@@EPE77U Centurions had spall liners...T-90M is just hype to keep the sales up, no russian bias.
For a unfinished prototype... it's still missing most it's spall lining from the Chally 2 (Which encases the entire crew compartment, also not fully modelled on the Chally 2). It's gun axle system is a improved Chally 2 version... so should perform as good if not better than a Chally 2's vertical movement and stabilisation. Also the hull rack is still a armoured wetbox (is it even modelled!?) and the Chally 3 prototype has "dual" blow out panels in the turret for the ammo rack... 1 of the 3 reasons the turret is longer (the other reasons is to accommodate the larger breach and the much thicker armour in the final version). The speed should be the same as the 2E, as that was the point of the design... to be equal to or better than the 2E in everyway.
The final version of C3 has a new composite armour and nearly a meter more of it. Which from public data should provide nearly 2 meters of additional protection... however, the armour on the Chally 2 ingame is well under performing... It's been proven Chobham provides the equivalent protection of twice the thickness of hardened rolled armour... and there is over a meter of it in the turret cheeks... plus the thick rolled steel and spall lining.
Why are you mentioning Chobham?
That hasn't been used since the first M1 or Challenger 1.
Challenger 2 uses Dorchester and Challenger 3 will use 'Epsom'.
@@CabbageBloke I know... but i am putting it into perspective... "Chobham" is partially declassified and "has a protection rating of X2 thickness of Hardened Rolled steel".... Dorchester is better than Chobham and Epsom is better than Dorchester... Yet Chobham (with the data we know) is WELL under performing in War Thunder... So Dorchester is under performing even more.
@@CabbageBlokeisn't the new armour called farnham and the addon armour being called epsom or have i got it wrong way round.
@@DanSpam225 Epsom is new the main armour Farnham is the modular armour (applique) I think.
@@CabbageBloke The way it's explained is subjective... some sources are saying that way and others are saying the other way... others are even saying it comes with both as standard. It may be a whole new armour layout system, as they are using the term "New Modular Armour" rather than "New Armour".
I have a feeling the final looks (With both armour) however will be what we saw on the 130MM Rheinmetall Challenger 2/3 demonstrator (That thing looked like a beast).
At this time, only it's designers and builders know as it's still not in service 😟
Lets just go with "Epsom/Farnham" to be sure lol.
Either way we are going into guessing territory here... which is why i referred to Chobham... something we all know a bit more about.
@5:42-6:00 - What happens when T-90M players are presented with a situation in which they can't just press W.
The Chally 2 actually has three piece ammo-not two piece like Justin said. The third part is the ignition for the charge that gets slapped on the charge after it’s loaded I believe
The ignition cartridges are loaded into the breech in a magazine much like the sort you’d load into a rifle. I forget how many charges each magazine can hold (I want to say 9?) but you don’t have to load an ignition charge every time you load a round/propellant charge
@@sentinelxcix2526 Ah thank god else Gaijin might nerf that 5.something second reload 😂
@@AxlePlaysGames technichally it should be a clip with about 5 rounds (for balance) and then a shortish reload time plus the regular shell load time, that would be realistic and authentic.
Does anyone else love it when your in thermal mode and your GBU goes in fast and strikes and you can see the GBU for 1 frame. So Satisfying !
This tank has made people sweaty about Britain again. Honestly cant wait to unlock it.
Still not sure how a manually loaded 2 piece ammo configuration is slower than a single piece solution though 🤷🏻♂️
lap loading
@@nemisis666eldiablolap load single peice wym?
lap loading is unsafe for single piece ammunition so when you watch an abrams loader load the gun he waits until the gun has fired then pulls out the next shell, however with 2 piece ammo you can have the projectile of the next shell in your hands ready to instantly load after firing
@@darkhammer2078
@@darkhammer2078 Lap loading was possible because you only held the smaller kinetic penetrator and not the propellant. Single piece ammo has the penetrator and propellant combined so it’s unsafe to lap load.
@@MD-wn4ui says who I be lap loading my ammo it’s frowned apoun true but wat happens in the tank stays in the tank and lap loading is possible unless flairback then it’s very dangerous but mostly it’s fine
YAY! I've been waiting for this video! :D
Ahh thanks for pointing out the decal thing. I think the option is a good thing (and should be there for decorations too), but it should default on.
I think personally I still prefer the 2e. Penning things has never been my issue, and the faster reload can save you a lot. If this thing had the improved armour the real one is planned to have i'd say the payoffs are worth it, but as it stands I just don't see enough improvement to balance out the reload.
I really like the new sabot shell physics, when you are shooting planes close, it increase the chance of hitting it, like in this video, i dont think justin hit that a5/f5? Its the casing did it
You already know there are hidden modifiers at play that make this thing's rounds do far less compared to the same round from the same gun on a german tank, you can feel it ingame if you play one and then the other right away.
really big tunissia is fun ... especially the battles around B cap and you can also snipe if you want to... it was really dynamic for me when i played it
Forgot to mention the spall liners that all challengers got
The challenger 3 literally only has the frontal spall liner, none of the sides of the hull or turret. Bit of a joke.
The question is, why would you want to play a Challenger 3 when you can be the Queen of the desert in Matilda?
6:05 shot was really wierd lol
18:47 Every day every time hit that battle button i play one nation and then Isay oh that nation must have some decent ppl playing rite now so I switch and "NoPe" same thing. That BIG Tunisian map great bigger more room.
I like the Tunisia map I've been using helicopters to capture the bridge and B early game and then defending it from the air.
Could we get a video on the first heavy tank in the Italian tech tree, the Tigris (Hungarian Tiger I Ausf. E)? OddBawZ did a video on it & it didn't disappoint, because like the Heavy Tank No. 6 in the Japanese tech tree, Germany players don't know how to counter their own kind.
I’m a Britain and German main and I only know thanks to playing Britain, but I can confirm most mid-tier German mains are incompetent. I’ve pulled a 12 or so kill game at 6.7 twice in the last month and my team lost both games because I died one too many times and couldn’t pull the nuke off
Being a Brit, and having a father that worked on these and drove these in the REME, if they added a chally premium, A good one, I’d buy it.
Honestly, the change in firepower is noticeable, never had issues with it but this is definitely a big jump, very nice they improved mobility on Challengers makes them way more desirable now!
I've been waiting for this video since the update came.
Funny enough as of today (about 3 hours ago as of now) Gaijin put out an update that re-enables the decal option by default.
They should put that "Show Decal" setting when you're customizing your decals.
Could you play the STRV-122B+ ? It has absolutely insane post-pen survivability!
some cool fact germany and US basically shared ideas for the 120mm smoothbore cannon and breach, germany had developed the 120 on their tanks but didnt have a bread to use it the us did we came together to share the ideas and basically we have identical breaches and barrels
M256 is literally a licensed copy of the Rhinemetall L44 which was developed entirely by Rhinemetall?
@@jonomurphy1117 correct but we are the ones who developed the breach why if u ever hop in each tank the guns are identical and breaches are identical we put both ideas together
@@jonomurphy1117 germany developed the l44 but we hsd the breach so we said we shared licenses of the gun and breach
To answer at 21:30 -ish: I desperately want RB/SB sized maps for AB games. I love aiming past the aim assist range when I can and the extended driving time shouldn't be an issue for most vehicles since they all have a stupid HP buff anyway.
I think the main issue with this Challenger 3 (TD) is that, it has one different thing that the others don't have, which in all honesty barely gives you an improvement, but it still has none of the armour anything else has. so you lose the reload rate, the one thing the challenger 2 had that is good, and instead you get more pen, which in the grand scheme of things, doesn't matter too much because for the most part you have to aim for the same weak spots that the old gun would pen anyway; so if anything it might be a little worse or on par with the normal challenger 2 but at a higher br. keeping in mind, gaijin said it wont be getting a spawl liner either, and the armour will be the same as the challenger 2's core armour in an official statement, so none of this is likely to change.
so the pro's as I see it are
+better gun (more pen on rounds)
+higher sitting CITV
and the cons
-slower reload rate
-higher BR with no armour improvement
-same speed as the other chally's (reaches max speed faster due to RPM, but overall speed is the same)
-no spawl liner - edit: apart from under the front plate
-no additional armour such as ERA (not that it would do much anyway)
It has spall liner under the front plate
It’s faster than most challengers
@@Halesey_15 the only piece of spawl liner it gets in the Chally 3 is under that front plate, there is none on the sides of the hull and none in the turret at all. they have already said they wont be adding it, because they have no physical evidence of it in an official post.
@@Halesey_15 it isnt "faster" it just gets up to speed quicker than the others. i believe it has the same max speed as the other challenger 2's, its just quicker at reaching said max speed.
@@kaiotie1apart from the 2E which is one of the fastest MBTs
@JustinPlays the engines are different no? Chally 3 using Perkins and 2e using MTU?
looks like they just updated to have "show decals on other player vehicles" to auto have it on yes
Can someone explain to me the decal thing? From what I understand they're now allowing players to turn off decals I assume because of the Z decals?
3:20 "its not two piece anymore its one" can we get much higher
Suffered nothing but frustration trying to use the mavericks, not only does the sight unlock after every launch but the missiles detonate mid air against targets in the open even… Mk 13’s are so reliable and fun to use down low
Yea they are a pain. I wish they would fix them a little bit so I can take out AA from far. To use the GBUs you got to get close which sometimes gets me killed by AA.
How does haze show on thermals, it's only visible to us because it reflects light. It's not hot, so it doesn't emit thermal radiation, thus should be invisible to thermals.
How can a Challenger 3 looks CLEAN and the Abrams SEP V2 looks like Panther shot trap 3.0?
A British vehicle that Justin actually likes?! (The annoying thing is that the other chally’s such be more mobile!)
i was in your game on the tunisia map! i was near the 2 people you killed from a distance and you almost killed me as well! GG!
Did they say in their server update that it wasmt intended to turn off in game decals and it was reverted back?
Idk why but when I range find with my commanders sight it doesn’t adjust the cannon. Anybody know why that would be?
How come the challenger 2E has spall liner on roof and front hull hull but challenger 3 td does not have any spall liner????
The only problem with Tunisia is that tanks even on max render distance don't render far enough
How dare you kill spookston 😂
I notice the challenger 3 sounds way different, not as easy to hear. The challenger 2 is so loud when you move, not to bad when your already goin, but the stop and go n moving around its SO LOUD
CR3 is currently (and incorrectly) using the engine sound from the CR2E/EuroPowerPack when it should still have the CV12 sounds
Ur top tier content creator
Hey, you asked for opinions on the sim/large maps. I honestly don't enjoy the play style as it becomes far more of a camp and snipe type game. I also have an eye disease that means I play with a pretty severe handicap and the larger maps means I barely stand a chance at enemy detection from range.
Sim maps should be more top tier matches
I can not belive you didnt get shot at by SAM once in the harrier
Video on gripen and strv 122b+ plz
Hey Justin can you play the Chally 2 again it’s had a massive bug with the spall liner and new volumetric armour, also don’t add the add on armour since it spalls more
I was in your 4th match. A devastating loss for sure, especially since we were coming back👀
The challe is good because of its maneuverability and its speed. Plus everything else
bro speed is still below average, regarding manoeuvrability, not sure what you mean. Literally only good thing is german cannon.
Britain finally got decent spaa
Love the Tunisia map
and it still hasn't got the mantlet modelled.
They really need to buff its turret traverse speed. Because it isn't accurate in game. Also the minster of defense for Britain says its supposed to go 45 or 50 mph
I don't think it was even the gun. The round probably should be more capable than it is, but you know what Bug reporting is like...
The challenger 3 in war thunder is a demo tank. This is not what the challenger 3 will look like the challenger 2 upgrade might
Love the really big Tunisia map. We need so many more for top tier.
since the update i have probably played more than 40 games as Britain and not once have a been put on the same team as America, most of the time its been britain and russia vs usa and germany.
Goes to show, it isnt random/based solely on br. Changing nation directly affects who you squad up with.
@@grayze07 tbh i think the game is coded to f*CK with Britain. No joke I lose more games with Britain than any other nation regardless of how good I do or which nation is on my team.
So they are adding the spall liner to the Challenger soon hopefully? The Challenger 2, Challenger 2 (2F), Challenger 2 TES, Black Night, Challenger 2E, and Challenger 3 (P) but this not this one It looks like.
The Chally 2s have a spall liner behind the UFP composite and all around the fighting compartment, excluding the rear and the mantlet
thanks justin:)
Great Challenger
Now why dose the Abrams get a 5 second replod on a smooth bore but not the chally 3 it honestly wouldn’t be op
Justin!!! all rank 8 tanks get stock APFSDS now, M1A2 V2 and Leo 2A7 and T90M and all the rest have stock APFSDS!
Yo check it out justin, they just buffed chinese ERA and the mbt-2000 and vt-4a's composite armor
Soon..
they will do anything to not make this tanks not as good as it should, the mod specifically said it does 60kph and that it has upgraded armour on the turret compared to chally 2 but its exactly the same in most areas and worse in the mantlet because there is no proof...... so why didnt they just make it the same as the chally 2 mantlet not worse XD
wish they made aiming less snappy, more smooth and realistic, now top tiers feel a bit like call of duty, it should feel more like a tank game ...
It ricocheted and hit ammo in turret.
You killed spookston lol
Challenger 3? This Tank will enter Service 2027 or 2030, it’s very interesting why they already add it, very interesting.
The actual CR3 will be different to the Demonstrator (what we have in-game), which was revealed in 2019 for LEP and used again in the CR3 announcement in 2021. The in-service version will have a different turret, improved armour, and Trophy APS (it’s also unsure if it will actually receive the 1500hp engine upgrades and I’m fairly sure the TD itself should still have 1200hp)
Missed the time i've enjoyed both Chally 1 dreaming "Chally 2 i'm coming"...now even the third Chally is here and i have truly lost faith in the British top tier.
Well i can still enjoy a good vid on it, maybe one day i will embrace again the true meaning of "suffer"😅
I just got the black knight and I stayed up to 5 in the morning getting it lol. I’m on break for college so it’s not a big deal. Also need to research 2 more tanks to get the challenger 3 TD.
I'm honestly surprised they added this, it being a (non combat-ready?) prototype and all. Interesting to see what they'll do after this though, considering this is pretty much the last real conceivable British MBT they can add unless they start adding hypothetical tanks that won't be delivered until (planned) 2027.
Next has to be Ajax varients if theyre willing to add chelly 3 to the game.
I don't think it's accurate to call it the 'Challenger 3 TD or P' to be fair, that's just a choice by Gaijin. It doesn't have any of the 2027 turret to it. It should be the Challenger 2 LEP RBSL TD... but I guess that is a bit of a mouthful.
They should fix the damn things, but yeah. We might get some CR1 prototypes and there's a couple variants from older tanks like the Chieftain that could be added - but yeah. Not many other modern MBTs left for Britain.
“non combat-ready” - you mean like that one russian ship? (kronshstat) or that one russian IFV? (2s38) or that one russian plane? (Yak-141)
Isn't the challenger 3 supposed to have the rheinmetall Rh-130 130mm gun?
one version of it does, but has a completely different turret profile.
Thank you for the clarification👍
i love ur content
just wish the challenger 3 has the APS system on it. with the 2E engine.
This is a prototype so it wont have that stuff until the full production run probably later this decade
Wish they’d fix its armor
I came here from you killing him in his T-90M video but you didnt put the clip in lol
We got stomped that game and it ended really quickly, no sense in putting in a single kill & spawn bit
@@JustinPlaysTVahh ok:)
@@JustinPlaysTV Do it as a youtube shorts pls.
We always get nerfed are armour is and we deserve the l28a1. He'll the mantlet pissed if a tanker for being so week he leaked the documents
No table. :(
Oooh I made it into the video.
I think is time to get chally OES
i don't mind the brit tanks in general i die fast regardless of nation tank.... i don't have a tank i really hate. i'm just avg and enjoy playing.
Try out the Bhishma too!
The 3TD is better sure than the other chally2s but its still *just worse* than the new Leo 2A7AV
How well does top teir french mbt's do with all these new tanks?
They are fine.
Autoloader is not really an advantage for Leclercs.
Big Tunisia hell yeah.
I noticed that with the MMO years ago and got called names in the forum. But it´s true, if you win to often you get clubbed, hits don´t spall and if you get hit with one shot your done.
All of this not true also they added spall liner
@@dankystanky7438 Think what you like. They added spalliner for certain high tier tanks and not 10.0 tanks.
Honestly the only thing that bothers me a about Challys is their awful mobility
It may only go 59 but on most terrain your not gonna see 59 in anyway. Like watch his speed through out the vid and tell me how many times his speed caps out.
Js a question if I did use the creator code and I was on console do y’all know anyway if I can use it
can't use it for consoles sadly, PC or PC linked only
Gripen C grinding video???
How can they do the chally 3 specs but all of it is basically classified apart from engine and gun. Armour, targeting systems ect is classified
Because the TD is essentially just a CR2 with a better gun and sights
@@sentinelxcix2526 specs are completely different
The only I don’t get is why the lower plant like the tank is heavy compared to most nato tanks and yet has a 70mm plate i know it’s meant to be hull down but can someone explain any other reason
Having the LFP be “unarmoured” is part of the design, with the intention to use add-on when going into combat as was done with the Challenger 1. Any photo of the Challenger 2 in theatre will have either ERA or Composite over the LFP, as seen in-game with the DL2E/DL2F modifications
@@sentinelxcix2526 oh
Britain's Always been meter just u like USA Germany and ruzza it's requires actual skill to be competitive. I've personally never struggled with them
this of leo2a7?
box of Fries Chally💀💀💀
Challenger 3 doesn't exist...there would be no need for it (and there isn't) if Challenger 2s actually had their armor and ERA working...
Great now the brits have a 2A6.
I find it hilarious when you get war thunder guys and WoT guys talking about challenger 3 being a bad tank because it has certain weak spots as if it’s as easy to aim for such spots in real life tank warfare, they obviously think you can use the zoom button on a real T90 to zoom in and hit small specific spots on a challenger tank lol and they really judge the real life vehicle on in game parameters
Turret face isnt the same