The Authority: superhero war crimes
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the authority is a comic series about a group teenage friends led by a talking chicken saving the world from an alien squid demon called ghotugbfgjd.
|| CONTENTS ||
0:00 - introduction
0:26 - ellis and hitch run
2:20 - millar and quitely run
3:38 - protest comics
5:25 - the legacy of the authority
7:15 - credits and message
|| mystery song of the day ||
So no one told you life was gonna be this way
Your job's a joke, you're broke
Your love life's DOA
It's like you're always stuck in second gear
When it hasn't been your day, your week, your month
Or even your year, but
I'll be there for you
(When the rain starts to pour)
I'll be there for you
(Like I've been there before)
I'll be there for you
('Cause you're there for me too)
You're still in bed at ten
And work began at eight
You've burned your breakfast
So far, things are going great
Your mother warned you there'd be days like these
But she didn't tell you when the world has brought
You down to your knees that
I'll be there for you
(When the rain starts to pour)
I'll be there for you
(Like I've been there before)
I'll be there for you
('Cause you're there for me too)
No one could ever know me
No one could ever see me
Seems you're the only one who knows
What it's like to be me
Someone to face the day with
Make it through all the rest with
Someone I'll always laugh with
Even at my worst, I'm best with you, yeah
It's like you're always stuck in second gear
When it hasn't been your day, your week, your month
Or even your year
I'll be there for you
(When the rain starts to pour)
I'll be there for you
(Like I've been there before)
I'll be there for you
('Cause you're there for me too)
I'll be there for you
I'll be there for you
I'll be there for you
('Cause you're there for me too) - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Sad thing is Warren Ellis' run depicted them as professionals who didn't want to kill but understood that sometimes situations call for it. But Mark Miller turned them into a bunch of smug jerks straight out a Garth Ennis comic.
How is it called a Garth ennis comic when this is literally the schick that got millar famous first.
Ennis even did a some stuff with the authority ( kev and midnighter which are fine not top tier but good ). And the authority are written less like assholes
They did likely kill a ton of innocent people in Ellis's run. The Carrier crashing into the island of Gamora, and the sinking of alternate earth Italy for examples.
@@paulakroy2635 Apologize I've gotten my comic history mixed. Point is Mark Miller arguably changed their character for the worst.
@@patrickmoler8025 Valid criticism, but considering the sheer scope of the situations The Authority were in, (the alternate earth sent an entire invasion force against them) it's not perfect sure and a bit edge lord at times but they didn't usually have the option to be more peaceful (usually).
But even Millar made them still consider that the villains could also be victims (like Thank man) or that they could have a point like Dr. Kringstein.
To paraphrase Linkara "Mark Miller is the kind of writer who does his best work when he's put on a short leash".
Mark Millar is tied with Robert Kirkman for the absolute best pitch-man working in comics. His actual work is simply awful, but give his ideas to a handful of screenwriters and witness absolutely incredible stories come to life.
@@M4TCH3SM4L0N3 usually i find when thats the case its because theyre too high on their ideas to even re-read or go over shit
@@M4TCH3SM4L0N3I think he has alot of good work but he simply works better with people who can regulate his edginess, a lot of his work has extra edginess that bloats his work alot
@@M4TCH3SM4L0N3I have to disagree. His work at image since 2013(superior, empress, reborn, Huck, mph, Jupiter's legacy, starlight,space bandits, chrononaughts,prodigy) has been pretty great and toned down on the edge. He'll still write some crazy violent stuff (nemesis reloaded, kick ass, hitgirl) but his works greatly improved, and that's while being given the freedom to do whatever he wants.
His Superman run is pretty nice.
"The Authority is like the boys"
Yes, if The Seven were actually heroes.
The Seven (and the rest) not being heroes is the main point of The Boys.
Homelander in the comics actually was a superhero (Until he killed the President). He was framed by Black Noir. The others were villains tho
@@cassieanderson3936 The fact he himself accepted it as the truth tells you that Homelander was also rotten from the start. The whole point of superheroes in the Boys universe was that they all were bad products made out of corporate greed by company that never in their life time delivered anything good, those why everything end up with catastrophe in the end. The only people who were truly sincere in their superheroic attempts were always outside the "mainstream", not affected by Vought corruption - either "mentally disabled" Super Duper team or former Soviet superhero Love Sausage. The rest with only small exeptions were always the lost cause because they were created that way
@Ocelot835 I disagree, he was a victim of gaslighting and abuse, whilst stuck in a highly restrictive environment that was prone to mental stress
Superman vs The Elite was a response to the ladder portion of The Authority...during the Millar/Qualitaly run
Fun Fact, down the line the metaphorical shoe was on the other foot, as Mark Millar's Graphic Novel "HUCK" was a response to Zack Snyders MAN OF STEEL
In a way, Mark Millar (and maybe Garth Ennis) do like Superman and the Trio (Bats and Wondy). Trouble is that they don't extend that admiration and respect too any other superhero, so gotta make shallow, cartoonish, unrepentant, hatesink lookalikes while the "REAL" heroes take care of them.
Man, thanks for reminding me about Huck!
I loved reading that comic
The only version I've actually read was the Grant Morrison one when they were in the warworld saga of action comics. Midnighter was legit kinda fun as someone has a hard time working with superman because of how hopeful the guy is but then by the end he's saving slaves and leading a rebellion while screaming "For Superman." It made me excited to see him in live action.
you should really read the original ellis run i reread it every so often and its always a fun ride
I love that story because of the conflict of ideals between the characters. Midnighter is the kind of guy who will destroy an entire city if it means killing the badguy in the fastest way possible. Superman though will not compromise innocent lives like that and because Midnighter can't just bully and overpower like he does in the Authority books, he's finally met someone who can challenge his cold pragmatism and seeing a guy remain steadfast to doing the right thing causes Midnighter to soften up. Its all very compelling.
@@dantewilson182 100% agree, I even love the bit when he crashes into a family’s house while in a fight and the kid asks if he’s Superman for him to say “really? It’s annoying enough to be called Batman but that’s just wrong.”
The Authority: An edgy superhero deconstruction made people who love superheros.
The Boys: An edgy superhero parody made by people who hate superheros.
The Boys, the comic at least, was more an edgy look at celebrity culture and the origins and history of the American military-industrial complex.
@@Carabas72while also insulting superheros in the most shallow way possible.
@@tylerbertram7065I mean it’s not meant to be deep. Like it’s not meant to be a critique of superhero. It just uses them as set dressing. People love to dog pile on the comic not understanding how screwed up the American comicbook industry is to where I guy who hates superhero comic still is forced to write superhero comics to get a pay check
@@paulakroy2635 why doesn't he work in independent comics then.
@@tylerbertram7065he does litterally all the time. The majority of his work is creator own and some of the most critically acclaimed comicbooks come from Garth Ennis. Yet the American comicbook industry is so fucked that he still is forced to do superhero work to get payed
I read The Authority as The Adultery.
I was like "A yo! Implicitly pretentious went edge lord on us, he's about to give us *Trauma* " 😂
The Adultery would be the parody comic of The Authority lol
Isn't that just "Trouble" from marvel?
The authority was allright in the beggining but later on became SUPEREDGY
you are doing comic book essays now? thats fking amazing
Check out his injustice charecter analysis
Tbh he's been doing it for quite a while.
now? were you in a coma or what
No experience of The Authority is complete or even very meaningful without also reading the Warren Ellis Stormwatch. The Authority is basically the third act in a three-act story.
Ah crap, does that mean I gotta stop reading and buy the rest of it?
I'm sorry, but you totally can read just the Authority and enjoy it.
Reading Stormwatch is more a plus to it.
You can also read Planetary.
@@lacrartezorok4975
You certainly can, and arguable most people did.
But the Ellis Authority has three story arcs, and two of them are direct sequels to Stormwatch story arcs.
Planetary was completely its own thing.
The Authority is the third act of Stormwatch yeah, but it's also the effective start of it's own new thing
@@sopebarrofficial3557 The setup is pretty simple. The U.N. set up a huge hero team called Stormwatch with dozens of members but most got wiped out by the Xenomorphs in a xover mini and the few that survived banded together as the Authority.
One of the aspects I loved about The Authority is that they were totally open about their activities.
Everytime they faced a crisis they made a global broadcasting (like Zod in Man of steel) telling everyone what was happening, not the classic "we can tell people to avoid the panic."
One thing that I hate about the MCU is that we never know what people know about the previous movie. People know Ironman took a warhead through a wormhole, bit do they know said warhead was meant to destroy Manhattan?
They know Sokovia was destroyed by Ultron, but apparently the Avengers didn't tell anyone that Ultron was created by Stark and Banner.
Mcu did go hard like r film
The Authority brought peace to the Middle East. And the story's villain was upset it ended all arm sales. I've never seen that in a comic.
Some would say he embarrassed himself.
The Warren Ellis run of the authority are fantastic
The first 12 issues is pretty solid, sometimes a little to edgy. I stopped at issue 16 because Millar completely missed the point.
Actually, they're 2 different stories with the same characters.
The Ellis &Hitch run is a trilogy of blockbuster movies in comic format, Millar and company is his answer to "what if the most powerful heroes choose to change the world?"
2:23
As a transformers fan, I can tell you that a lot of us do a lot more vomiting in said reactions.
Finally someone gives me a proper look at the authority 😅😢🎉so many channels but only one
We live in trying times
This made me excited to see James Gunn's cinematic take
Same
I felt that ellis' planetary series did a great silver age modernized take.
I don't understand where the idea that The Authority is black and white comes from - it's literally the definition of "we know we're bad and we're doing it because we have to" and then sometimes it DOESN'T work and they have to own that. Sure, there are some bad writers who don't get the characters, but the first few runs absolutely understood they were generally high level good bastards who did bad things on interpersonal levels to get that better world made.
And it failed a lot! And they owned those failures. And they succeeded a lot too! It was messy and not afraid to deal with the nuance of politics. All with a heavy dose of black humor and hyperbole!
I feel like this reality gets lost in the argument that they "think they're noble like classic silver age heroes". That being said I LOVE how you mention that they're basically cynical utopians. The "good fascist" angle makes no sense politically, but they are, definitionally, authoritarians and feed into the id of "good" authoritarianism.
Absolutely love those early runs and still had fun with the dumb later ones. Them taking on the US during the Iraq war and saving their victims is pretty based AND subversive from an American comic.
I think the misconception comes from the way people oversimplifies it. They're not trying to control every aspect of people's life's, but they threaten the governments to change things.
So they could be called authoritarians (pun not intended) but not totalitarians (wich is what fascists are).
@@lacrartezorok4975 this this this. Too many armchair philosophers keep calling anyone exerting any power over others "fascists". Fascism is a very specific form of authoritarianism - specifically "Palingenetic Ultranationalism" IE harkening back to a mythical past in order to consolidate power with a shrinking in-group vs. outgroup.
The Authority is literally the OPPOSITE of this. They are exclusively forward thinking, destroying the concepts of tribal nationalism and destroying artificially coerced hierarchies to liberate all peoples as equals. They don't even tell The People what to do they simply don't ALLOW them to do political-scale oppression and evil. Otherwise, they're hands-off.
Do they fuck up, again, already addressed, all the time. Do they own this? Yes. Have they made the world a better place? Yes. Whenever the world got shittier it was explicitly BECAUSE actual fascists were trying to overthrow the Authority's protection of The People and reinstate their own tribal fascism.
The Authority is literally just a group of light Auth-Left supers showing us what would actually happen if flawed but decent people had God-like powers and a God-like superstructure and supercomputer.
I fucking knew I loved Warren Ellis.
I get such a little thrill when your theme kicks in; I know I'm in for some good fun!
I really liked The Authority and one of it's spinoff series : The Four. I've heard recently that there's going to be a show somewhere (and soon?) looking forward to that
nice video as usual, you always make me look up the songs you use
Lore of The Authority: superhero war crimes momentum 100
Please more comic book essays, they’re so great
wow, very surprised you're doing the authority. one of my favorite teams ever! Midnighter and Apollo are my favorite superhero couple!
In Millars defense. He has considerably softened in his old age. He's not the zack snyder style edge lord he's often decried as, at least not anymore.
You could make the argument his most recent comic book Big Game was him in a weird way apologizing for his edgy youth. Although he's still not above showcasing graphic and horrible violence.
As for Warren Ellis? I ain't touching that one.
I wonder what you'd say about Planetary. You haven't made a video about that series, yet, have you?!
Another great video 🎉
Akex Lennen cameo RAAAAAHHHH
I still love the ultimates. Not just for the art or edgy moments, but because it's a look at post 9/11 policy and the actions of the bush administration through a superhero blockbuster.
Really the Ultimates isn’t that edgy. Not much swearing, the violence isn’t Punisher Max territory. It’s still really damn good too.
@@AmaroRay I agree.
Mark Millar's comic work, might be more in common with Rob Liefeld.
I think The Authority has more in common with superheroes of the 1990's. Such as Youngblood, X-Force, Justice League Extreme Justice, and it's predecessor Stormwatch.
To me. Invincible and J. Michael Strasynki's Supreme Power: Both stories have aliens or humanoids, scenes in outer space. Superheroes being recruited by the government or military. In Supreme Power, the military are the good guys while the government are the bad guys. Kind of like the Vultermite Empire from Invincible. The main protagonist of these stories are both named Mark. This version of Hyperion, kind of gives me Omni-Man vibes. Then becomes a reformed hero much later. The downsides of being a superhero, consequences, and what it means to be a hero. And both of the comic stories were both released in 2003. Invincible and Supreme Power are homages to Marvel, DC, and the superhero genre as a deconstruction story.
Semi fun fact: There WAS a time in which the Authority(with a new Jenny Sparks) would funny enough meet what was bascially "What if the Authority was the Justice League...international?" in Authority: Lost Years....bascially a bunch of sitcom goofballs who act more like the JLU than Ellis team, especially they even do nods to the likes of the blue beetle/booster gold money schemes with Midnighter and Apollo. And that's not counting the this variant of the Authority does engage in fights in the city and no one got hurt...or bascially do cheesy catchphrases.
" I'm about to embarrassed myself more than usual " atleast you're honest
Ahhh yes the person with wings is the upstanding one
Winged characters are cool, but if that's their only power they feel redundant.
When you have a Superman analogue and a next generation Ironman, Hawkman you don't think you need another Hawkman.
2:10 I’ve never head a more apt description of Warren Ellis and Mark Millar’s writing
Pls do a video explaining these horrible fates they met 👀
they kinda remind me of the Watchmen, they're probably influenced by each other
off topic but I missed the Something that is Changing your Mind song
Well, it is one way there. Watchmen came out 13 years earlier.
The more common ancestor people forget is things like Marshall law as well
More than watchmen is the 80's Squadron Supreme mixed with Marvelman.
Just Google them to see what I mean.
Nice
Following the Authority as it played out back in the day was wild. Ellis' run is spot on as you described. A plus work...but it's still nothing compared to Millar's run. The series sales trajectory before it was censored/stunted/reworked/delayed was amazing. If left unchecked I think it would have been one of DCs top selling titles in the late 90's/early oh's. Not knowing what was going on, wondering if DC was going to leave the series unfinished with the team dead made it that much more exciting. Everything related to the Authority since the end of the original series has been horribly, horribly poor. One fun little tidbit is Millar named the Doctor and some of the replacement Authority after posters from the old DC Comics message board. The message board pictured at the end of issue 27 is a screenshot of the old forum.
It was the destruction of Alternate Italy that made me give up on The Authority.
Why do I care about these characters if the "easiest" solution the Doctor could come up with to remove the world leaders as a threat was to hold the entire country perfectly still, so that the movement of the planet would cause it to be dragged under the ocean? If characters are that obscenely powerful and shamelessly Ayn Randian, they don't hold any interest for me.
Can't wait to see the authority in the dcu with James Gunn
Olease do talk about The Ultimates someday!
I really liked Warren Ellis; Authority and Planetary. Good books.
Millar... not so much. At all.
Mark Millar's Superman run is pretty good.
@@tylerbertram7065red son and adventures are good. Huck and his other Superman pastchie are fine but medicore
Wake up babe it’s time
The Ellis authority was great, I wanna see what happens w them in the movies
Me, pausing the video to read what's written : "Aaaaah, I shouldn't have done that :("
Who wrote the arc with the 6 Billion Dollar Man?
That was such tonal whiplash.
The movie is coming
Alex Lennen cameo‼️‼️
The first _anything_ I've read/watched on The Authority by someone who wasn't there at the time! I feel a million years old! Fantastic. You don't get The Authority and its "Widescreen Comics" style without the Porter-Morrison-Dell JLA, so if anyone hasn't read that, please do. I mean, you don't get JLU without that and The Authority, right? (dang, that might actually be the only reaction to The Authority that I actually liked)
What about Grant Morrison’s “Superman and The Authority”?
Do crisis part 2
Id just like to reiterate that while every criticism of pre crohns disease millar is spot on, the guy has had a heel face turn since he got ill and developed empathy as a result. His work post crohns is way more hopeful and a ton less edgy.
Hope you'll have a good day
What’s the calming music you use in the background at 3:40
How is that mystery song a mystery?
Ellis, flawed but good. Mark Millar, cockroach.
What’s the song at 7:05?
I can’t seem to find it off the lyrics
I hate The Authority and I hate that they've been integrated into the DCU, the fact that Superman would work with them in the Warworld Saga after he deconstructed their expies in the comic Superman vs The Elite was based on was why I hated that run so much and couldn't wait for it to end.
Ellis made the authority good. Millar made them memorable. Seriously though I love Ellis's run and it is objectively better than millars, but I just cant bring myself to hate millars run because of how absurd and ridiculous it is.
The ultimates were my gateway into comics unfortunately. Well I guess fortunately I've become far more media literate and still enjoy the medium.
2:36 You sure Viviepop didn't write this?
Whats the intro song?
The Ultimates is still the best superhero comic of that era. Read it as an adult. Damn good.
I know literally nothing more about the series than when I clicked.
:/
"It was adult."
"The Authority's brand of anarchy and authoritarianism" um, what? You do know those two things are opposites, right?
I read comic book dc the authority Warren or Mark i read
Ani jl and marvel team in comic but dark in tone
problems mcu show war crimes go hard not show it c the authority film go r film
Im interested to see what James Gunn has in store for these characters and what he has planned to make a movie about these characters. I also wonder if Superman in the DCU will have a confrontation with the Authority, akin to Superman vs The Elite movie, since we know The Engineer will be Superman (2025)
I’d like to see a sequel to Superman called Superman vs The Authority. Doing... basically vs The elite but in live action.
I think that if Gunn's plans for The Authority are even remotely like The Elite, he would just have called them The Elite.
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I would hate that. The Elite is to The Authority like the Joker is to Batman. Or Homelander to Superman. The Elite is the Anti-Authority.
If they're promoting The Engineer as a villain in Superman, and is the only member of The Authority confirmed for that movie I'm guessing she will try to do something that will end in a disaster and in the proper Authority movie they will show or explain that she was recruited after what happened there.
@@lacrartezorok4975
So far I haven't seen any official mention of villains of any identity other than Lex.
Being an adult des suck.
Isn't James Gunn making a movie about them?
I love their concept: Heroes that will save the world no matter what; even if it's from the 1%. The problem is with that type of enemy, the story has to end. No point of Batman if Gotham is crime free after all. It's why that time the Authority took over the US after the president nearly got the planet destroyed that all their changes couldn't stick. The story can't continue after a happy ending.
The AUTHORITY: Yet another great comic turned into a farce by Mark Millar.
Mark Millar, a man with great ideas (probably from someone else) executed...poorly
I don't think I have read a single line of writing from Millar that I haven't hated, but paradoxically, I haven't encountered any projects written by someone else with Millar attached that I didn't love. The man either has incredible ideas or an incredible talent for glomming himself onto incredible projects.
Who would win in a fight between Seth and Jenny Quantum ?
Considering the fact that the doctor turned Seth into a Royo of chicken pretty effortlessly Jenny should be way stronger.
@@Chiefteeth1 But Seth kicked the Doctor’s ass earlier in the issue. Idk how, but he did it. You think Jenny still takes it with Seth still in his monster form and he has all his 2’000+ powers and the secret code phrase is off limits?
Why are you bloody now?
:< D
So in conclusion it is just as naive as regular superhero comics just in the same way American thought just destroying Iraq would turn it into democracy
Lmao Lex Luthor is a billionaire and a capitalist. He would fight for the status quo as much as any superhero supposedly does. It's not like he would want to overthrow capitalism or abolish the police.
Hi
i can't stand most of millar's work. it ALL has this edgy anger about it, like if the authority was his creation alone it wouldn't have been at all tolerable. the only time i've enjoyed his work is the ultimates and thats because they were all SUPPOSED to be damaged beyond repair pieces of crap humans.
On the ultimates was it supposed to be satirical? Because before he went right wing Mark Millar was very anti the military industrial complex and US involvement in the middle east
I will say this:
The problems with "The Authority" has nothing to do with "The Authority" itself and anyone's run on it.
There are two major problems that lead to this becoming forgotten and propaganda calling it "deplorable".
1. It was too damn popular, it was literally overshadowing a lot of the DC stuff that had going, and it was compatible with it. So when DC bought the competition that was Wildstorm they wound up with a situation where they did not want to compete with themselves, and despite some attempts to use them, they found most Wildstorm characters didn't work outside of their original world or context. "The Authority" was allowed to be the recipient of blackballing and "deplorable" status simply because DC found it, and Wildstorm in general, problematic when they no longer had to compete with it.
2. As thing shifted from reasonable leftism to what we have now, the 90s take on things became an increasing issue. Given that this captured the wish fulfillment of the times and did things correctly, it became a problem in the eyes of increasingly whacked leftists, especially as more and more of what they were supposed to oppose became a literal part of their dogma.
As The Authority was pre-social media for the most part, and the internet was not what it is now when it was first being done, especially the Warren Ellis run, it's relatively easy to erase by just not giving it much of a presence, and as the fans age, none of the kids want to pay attention to the older folk anymore. This is why it can be so bloody hilarious when you see Zoomers acting like they are the first ones to do things like have gay super heroes, when it was done successfully decades before hand.
You’re the minority of comic lovers, it’s not a bad thing however people that think you ruined what we love about DC superhero. Coincidentally zack snyder is the same way.
More worse...
Lmao Lex Luthor is a billionaire and a capitalist. He would fight for the status quo as much as any superhero supposedly does. It's not like he would want to overthrow capitalism or abolish the police.