The Abbey of Everyman - Dishonored Lore
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- Whenever it is good, there must also be evil, and whenever evil, there must also be good but say for instance that that evil was perhaps not the true evil, and the good not the true good. That sort of middle ground is where the pseudo militaristic cult of personality known as the abbey of everyman exists, and its also the place that the abbey, despite championing for good may always end up being.
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Development of Abbey as a mainstream belief of human civilization in Dishonored makes sense since religions and supernatural forces in Dishonored are common and serve as a symbol of power rather than hope or anything else. In Dishonored, anyone who worships supernatural forces always does it for their own gain; consequently human civilization would opt to distance itself from the Void.
Its interesting imo, that it's essentially the antithesis to what you would think religion would be, it's not as though there were religions made to explicitly persecute other religions in our world, or at least mine that I know of - rather, persecution is always a consequence not the purpose.
@@DaftTake It becomes the antithesis because the aspect of belief in Dishonored's world is the exact opposite of reality. Religions in Dishonored started as an access to supernatural powers which are chaotic in nature; the Abbey worships orders so they have to align themselves with the establishments and adopt a secular faith, which position themselves against spiritualism. Note how people who involve themselves with spirituality in Dishonored are usually pariah or outcasts who take advantage from the chaotic spiritual power to undermine the establishments.
In real life, spirituality within religions is just another face of establishmentarianism and a form social controls. The two cases cannot be compared, one is a fantasy and another can only be regarded materially.
Dishonored is such a dark game. The only god is a dark, twisted one and those against him have no redeeming, illuminating God to counter him with.
not really I mean
Outsider is not that much of a God in an Abrahamic sense. He's more of a personification of Void itself. If we want to talk about God like in christianity I would say that the Void is the closest to it. Outsider himself isn't either good or bad. He just is and this makes his name make sense. He illustrates what we cannot percieve through our sense.
To me, Abbey aren't right about things. I don't think that embracing magic and religion and the Void is evil as they're innevitable, especially the Void.
Look, how much Abbey did good compared to how much evil and twisted things they've done? I think they're very hypocritical in what they do. They want to protect people but they don't see at all that they indeed do what makes people even more vulnerable and opressed.
You can even see while going through homes and buildings of Dunwall and also Karnaca that people who worship the Outsider, these so called "Heretics" aren't twisted, vile mosters. These are just normal people, intersted in discovering what's hidden. Of course, there are for example Brigmore Witches, but how much did the Abbey to fight them off? They failed miserably and the only thing that they succeded in is to opress and terrorise cutizens of The Isles, further making it easier for Delilah to take the throne.
So I tell you good people of Dunwall, down with the Abbey and freedom for all!
If you think about it,by following the scriptures you basically won't be seen by the outsider because he'll think your boring
Didn't Harvey Smith say on Twitter something along the lines of souls of the good get a peaceful non-existence whilst the souls of Evil are, doomed to drift in the void until they are eventually consumed by it? If this is true, The, Abbey's foundation is not as shaken.
Harvey is essentially pulling a J.K. Rowling by talking way too much about the setting on Twitter instead of actually implementing whatever he says into the story. Until the latter happens, pretty much every bit of "lore" he's told us is basically his own headcanon.
@@ST0AT Well,in Harvey's defense Dishonored didn't stop worldbuilding after the third game.
The abbey honestly feels like a weird cult even though the technically lack a religious background
Kinda like weirdly cultish atheists
More so “cultish anti-theists” than “cultish atheists”
A bit like the Nazis
@@fergalkidd91 ...Nazis were catholics.
Yeah i like the way they don't have a saviour god or a jesus, its just them vs the void
They’re mike Mithrayists. They understand the world as a machine, like how real life Mithracyis worshiped the celestial positions and though it kind of sacred. Likewise, the Abbey sees things as having their natural place with the Outsider (hence the name) being an abomination so that plan.
I'm not about burning people, but the strictures make sense and are alright.
It’s like how most religious axioms are generally pretty good until they’re used as a means to target people. “Submit to Islam” being a phrase that can mean anything from acknowledging the teachings with a mean to help others to complete subjection so eh
@@lemonnomel9416 In its original context it most means conquering people though.
@@TitusCastiglione1503 You're going to start something that you can't see through if you keep talking.
@@razztastic how so?
The Abbey's beliefs and purpose remind me of the Imperial Truth from Warhammer 40,000. Devoutly atheist and humanistic, not because they believe gods do not exist, but because they KNOW gods exist and are trying to "starve them out" by discouraging belief in them.
I want a game where you play as a member of the Abbey against users of witchcraft
Me too. It would be epic
That would be cool game.
You got to respect the overseers they wre so dedicated where they would betray the empress just because she uses black magic
Technically, once the Empress would use magic, she'd be the one to betray her subjects by allowing the Outsider to corrupt her. So it'd be the Abbey's duty to put her down.
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Bruh that into looks like Dishonored artwork from a very nearby parallel universe.
The abbey didn't get the afterlife wrong. Only those practicing and using the void are cursed to wander it. Those who bear the mark, some beasts having magic. Jessamine went into the great nothing, while (SPOILER FOR DOTO) Daud was cursed to wander it. Likely due to the mark, but freed once the outsiders grip lossened, and the marked were able to let go of their past to dissolve and be part of the nothingness.
the abbey were right about the afterlife though. You don't just go to the void by default you go there if you lived a bad and chaotic life. You stop existing and get reincorporated into the university if you are good.
For Dishonored 3 we should play as the outsider with the void hunting him down and him fighting back using the void or retaining his newly reclaimed humanity after seeing other people do amazing things without power, and after being the victim avatar is it he understands the void is weak, the void is both nothing and unimportant, void. But powerful as even a empty hole can distort the powerful reality for its will. With Thomas, Dauds 3rd in command and associate who lost respect for him now powerless himself due to his masters fleeing from corvo, finding his masters “Leviathan God” and thinking him both powerful and in admiration but also disappointed by the mortality you have and lack of complete power, or power at all depending what you chose. And also your lack of ability to have an arcane bond either way, and depending on how you play he’d probably lean more towards the great gentle beast, smart and powerful able to outmaneuver deadly situations without needing power including murder, maybe learning strength, the supernatural, and blood is not how you gain true power. But by a slight nudge to make great change for whatever you wish. And understanding the regret and mindset daud had when he thought he was his weakest, but really it was his strongest moments. Or seeing you kill and use power to barely be able to what could have been done with a conversation, or as he sees it a blade through 1 throat, not 100. Seeing you as a weak man a whale being tortured losing more and more of yourself in a horrifying symphony of pain to yourself and others
The presence or absence of a deity, does not determine whether or not a set of teachings constitute a religion.
Confucianism is a religion without any particular god. Buddhism too (at least certain sects), does not preach the worship or existence of a god or gods.
There are theistic religions and non-theistic or atheistic religions.
Obvious examples of theistic religions include the predominant faiths of the world, Christianity, Islam and (maybe) Hinduism.
Non-theistic religions include Buddhism and Scientology.
Atheistic religions would include the ideologies of totalitarian Communist states, such as North Korea or China, where state atheism is enforced and the party is supreme. In the case of North Korea, the dear leader is worshiped as a divine man.
That's one kickass intro
The Abbey lost the battle at Dunwall Tower because of Jindosh's clockwork soldiers?
It would make sense, the Abbey is used to magic wielders, witches generally shouldn't have been a massive issue, but the clockwork soldiers sure would.
Those intro graphics were insane 👌🏾
Well not all religions require a diety, Buddhism comes to mind as well as a few others. Yet the Overseers seem to pray and meditate on the strictures but don’t view them as a personal deity(s) so I think that they are religious and just happen to be pantheistic, dualistic, or maybe deistic. In all honesty it feels like a mixture of pantheism and dualism. Great video though! I am just trying to help.
While I agree on the latter half, Buddhism in and of itself is a branch of Hinduism, while its spread through Asia has ultimately changed its core idea's, the Buddha was believed to be an avatar of some Hindu god.
@@DaftTake I thought that Buddhism was older than Hinduism but admittedly I have done very little research beyond the basics of Buddhism. Thank you for the information.
Amazing work man! Btw, do you make the thumbnails yourself?
Don't shame my religion
Haha, now this is an absolute heretic moment
But shaming is my kink!
I'll shame both of you
super nice intro dude!
Very good videos about dishonored dude, keep it up
roger that
I just finished dishonored 1 and 2 now I can watch your videos on dishonored.
They're like a really edgy catholics
@RavnDream I always got spanish inquisition vibes from the killings, especially in the 2nd game
@RavnDream Yea fair enough
Oh damn, what's the song used in the intro? Also great video.
Brigmore Lullaby, from d2
That intro was an instant like
Im Overseer Amon, and I approve this message
ty overseer
@@DaftTake No problem. Remember your strictures.
yo man, wanna make content like this. just wanna know how you dont get caught when taking the cinematic shots?
i replay the game with new game plus so i have access to all my powers, that and I'm very sneaky, a lot of it is trial and error
@@DaftTake you can play dishonoured 1 with New game +?
@@mrgaming4626 oh, I thought you meant d2 and DoTO! For D1 i just try my best to be sneaky, its really hard sometimes lol
@@DaftTake thats fine lol, im making a review of the dust district level and instead of gameplay i thought it would be better to have cinematic shots of the level. Thanks for your help mate!
holy shit i get it now
the abbey are professional atheists
The abey has gods however people don't think they are real becouse they haven't made anything to show that they exist (its riten on a note ds 2)
i smell HERACY
Have you read the books?
I’m pretty sure the abbey completely fell apart after DOTO in the Veil book.
Although tbh that book was so bad I never finished it so maybe I missed something
Idk if they “fell apart” but empress Emily disbanded them. Not really sure if that means the organization no longer exists or its no longer tied to the government and monarchy. I find it hard to believe such a powerful religious structure deeply engrained in society would cease to exist with the wave of a decree. If the latter is true and Arkane makes another Dishonored, I could see the Abbey becoming a rogue state or something
Bilbo Swaggins you’d think that but overseers started going mad after the death of the outsider. The world started to shatter, almost.
Like I said, I haven’t finished the book, but it’s clear by the beginning it’s basically dead if not already fully dead
@@Jessie_Helms The Outsider was there sworn enemy, but it wouldn't necessarily make sense for them to go crazy over his death, the enemy is dead. They should be happier than ever, not going batshit.
The Preacher yes but that’s literally what happens in the book.
Tbh I never finished cause it was dry but the abbey fell apart and they went completely mad
@@Jessie_Helms That would definitely be one of the reasons for a dry book lmao. Just makes no sense.
In a world without gods, the abbey would be another pretender clan, trying to utilize power through dogma.
But in a world with magic and dark gods, the abbey is justified. Even the fanatics are right when they speak of the evil in the shadows and the corruption of forbidden runes.
I'm not of any religious faith, however if I lived in the Dishonored universe, I'd be a strong supporter or even follower of the abbey, simply because they are right and the supernatural can be grasped.
:O
The abbey is just an Abrahamic religion without god, they just hate satan and thats it's 😂
So it’s more of an anti-religion
"What we learn in the death of the outsider DLC"
Don't call it a DLC. Content wise I should have been, but never forget that Bethesda had the nerve to charge full price to sell that garbage as a full game.
From what I understand of DoTO's release, while there may have been malicious intent, it seems more like Arkane wanted to distance themselves from Dishonored 2's buggy launch as well.
You got to respect the overseers they wre so dedicated where they would betray the empress just because she uses black magic