Should You Carry With An Empty Chamber?
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- Carrying a gun with an empty chamber can be a polarizing topic.
The IDF has long followed this tradition while most of the world has chosen to carry with a round ready to go.
What should the armed citizen consider when making this decision?
Jeff Mau breaks down his thought process on the topic.
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00:00 -- Intro
00:51 -- 1. I Will Have Time
03:17 -- 2. It's Better Than Nothing
04:54 -- 3. Situational Awareness
06:07 -- 4. The IDF Does It
07:21 -- 5. It's Safer
08:29 -- Personal Belief/Identity
11:09 -- Outro
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When I started carrying my CCW, it was a very gradual process.
Few months of carrying without a mag in the gun, but on my mag holster instead. Then it was mag in the gun, no round in the chamber. And finally to round in the chamber. I started carrying about 3 months into owning a gun, and when I felt I was proficient with handling and shooting one. I usually doing with 9mm or .45 in appendix during the warmer seasons and switch to 3 o’clock OWB from late fall to mid spring when I’m wearing a light or heavy jacket.
Logical process. I commend you on your safety protocol. I did the same, even after USMC. Going civilian...I just wanted to make sure. Know what I mean? Different carry position, Different firearm, different holster, different use. I was super safe around the house until I felt comfy going out safe. Safe being situational awareness, round in chamber, good comfy holster and location.
Thanks for your input. 🍻
The story I heard as to how "Israeli carry" got started is that when the IDF was first formed, they didn't have a standard pistol, or holster, some soldiers were supplying their own, and some weren't safe to carry chambered. They didn't want to take the time to train each soldier how to use his/ her individual pistol, so no one carried a chambered pistol.
Perfect example of how training scars occur
Easy to Israeli carry when all u have to deal with for most of ur life is unarmed civilians
Wild that “we don’t trust you” got corrupted into “this is the best thing ever”
I also think it might have/had something to do with the fact that IDF has mandatory service for pretty much everyone and has since they were formed. I see an unloaded chamber as the safest practice when you have many soldiers who have never handled a gun before and are only going to serve for 3 years then be done. Also many of those soldiers will serve in a support role where they may never see any combat and I would say for a lot of them the bigger danger is shoot of themselves or being shot accidentally by a colleague. I would just guess that their saltier, higher end operator types don’t have to follow that rule and probably do carry their pistol with a round in the chamber whereas the run of the mill soldier who will likely never use their pistol do not.
@@JG54206 Yeah man, this is why I call it Barney Fife carry instead of Israeli carry.
I am an Israeli who recently went through the process to have a gun carry permit
I was in the IDF but not in a combat role and had experience with rifles (but not hand guns)
In the IDF, I almost never had a magazine in the gun, let alone a round in the chamber.
Recently the IDF started to issue "empty chamber indicators" which allow you to safely carry the rifle with the magazine inside without the fear of a live round in the chamber.
I was recently deployed to Gaza (as a reservist, operating comms for a tank division) and had my first real life experience in an active combat zone, in which I did have my rifle ready, with a magazine inserted but again never a round in the chamber.
And now that I went through the process of owning a personal hand gun, I went through the formal training needed to get said license.
Never, ever, not in combat training, not in "refresh" gun ranges, and not now when going through the firing and safety course, did I ever have been trained to have a round in the chamber.
Not being in a combat role, the civilian course was actually the most in-depth course I've taken in my life, and even then, the default and only way you are trained is to do "the Israeli method" cocking the gun while you draw it to shoot.
I agree with what you said about how "if people train only one way and then decide to carry a different way it is more dangerous" and that "if people sometimes carry with a round in the chamber and sometimes without, it's a problem"
Both are true, but it's mainly due to muscle memory, or lack there of.
You want people to have good muscle memory to act automatically when the time calls for it. And changing things around hurts this a lot.
But for us Israelis, as this is the way we are trained from the very beginning, it makes sense for us to keep doing it. It is safer for preventing accidental discharge and it is just as automatic and fast.
Demonstrably not as fast. There are other issues, needing both arms or be able to belt rack for example. It can't be argued that it's better because it's measurably not, it can be argued that if it's all you've known, in many applications which may well differ from civilian, the benefits of retraining aren't worth it.
free palestine
@@tyrantworm7392 Declaring yourself correct is not the same as making an argument.
I respect your background and training, however, it is simply not as fast, it adds another layer of complexity to the most stressful moment of your life, it's no more safe than carrying loaded chamber with a proper holster, and is useless if your support hand is unavailable.
@@Cueevooofrom hamas
Yes. If you’re not comfortable with carrying a round, you need to trust your gun, trust your equipment and trust your training. Know how your firearm functions. If you don’t have confidence in any of those, fix it.
Exactly. 👊
@@tenicorusaguns are mechanical, mechanics fail. I'm not a fan of pointing a loaded weapon at my meat and potatoes. 😂
@@thisguy7010 a double action hammer fired handgun is very safe to carry with a round in the chamber if you have it in a holster and dont have the hammer back
@@glitterforcemaximus7232 you're not wrong but I was really referring to single actions and striker fired specifically. . .more so striker fired than anything else.
@@thisguy7010show me when that had ever happened. It will never happen. There is no way for it to randomly go off, there is a piece of metal blocking the striker from touching the primer
I’m not making a case against any of the points here. With that said it’s asinine to say that it’s comparable to putting on a seatbelt before an accident or that it’s useless to have in that state. With that logic it’s useless to have one if not walking around with it drawn held at the high ready at all times. There is a dynamic range of variables based on the circumstances in the moment. Overall one in the pipe is better for readiness obviously and videos like this should be made but let’s not be so black and white about it. The GlockStore guy makes a case for why he doesn’t carry with one chambered and makes some valid points as well.
Bro, you're playing games with a simple analogy. You see something bad happening on the road a mile ahead.. yeah, put the seat belt on (put one in the chamber), but most accidents happen quickly (no time for Israeli carry) so have it on the start with (one in the chamber). Don't overcomplicated it with 50 cent words
I got my carry permit a few months ago. I’ve owned and shot firearms for about 16 years, but never carried one. Once I got my permit I started carrying appendix with one in the chamber. I will say that the first time I tucked a loaded pistol right next to my junk was a bit unnerving. At least for me, it was hard not to imagine the worst case scenario of, “what if it goes off in the holster.” Rationally speaking, I knew that was effectively impossible, but I couldn’t stop my brain from going to that place. I just had to overcome that initial aversion. A well-maintained firearm from a reputable manufacturer, in a proper holster, is total safe to carry.
My biggest fear now is becoming complacent with the handling of a loaded gun during the process of “strapping up” and de-kitting every day (I store my carry gun unloaded since I like to do dry fire practice in the evening and my CCW is not my home defense gun).
I feel the same way one of the reasons I didn’t replace the trigger on my hellcat pro I like the hard wall the the trigger
Maybe buy the exact same model as your carry gun and use that for dry fire? It can also serve as a familiar back up if you ever need to repair your carry gun? You could possibly do your dry fire in the morning before you load your gun and leave your home?
Learn how the internals work for your specific model of carry pistol.
Figure out if your gun has a firing pin block. My G3, for example, has an arm that actuates when the trigger is pulled, that pulls a firing pin block out of the path of the pin.
The firing pin cannot reach the primer on the back of the case until the trigger is pulled far enough back.
This means the only passive failure mode is if the primer in the round fails on its own.
Even the sear accidentally releasing cannot set the gun off as the firing pin is physically blocked until the trigger is pulled.
I feel like personally:
if you concealed carry then maybe not have a loaded weapon pointed at your pelvis regional area,
(nobody else knows you have a weapon you enter the gunfight on your terms or evade provided you're not the target.)
however if you open carry you better have it locked and loaded because the gunfight starts with you.
(everyone knows you are armed you're the bad guy for having a gun yet you are expected to be the "hero" having a gun it's a double standard and even worse you are the first target of the shooter.)
Thank you for posting the most misinformed opinion in this comment section.
@@teapot2_1 okay Facebook fact checker. I guess if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck swims like a duck according to you it is in fact a squirrel.
@@thisguy7010 you're naive enough to believe that as an armed civilian you'll always have time to extract yourself from a situation or have time to load your gun.
@@teapot2_1 I'm sorry clown, I missed the part where I said "always"
@@teapot2_1 maybe you should learn to read before you go online and start making comments.
To anyone who is afraid of carrying one in the chamber I would say just get a pistol that has a safety or a decoker and train with this pistol
But what if you carry a SIG huh?
@@orion3253 I carry a sig with a really good holster , not worried
@@omarcruise6662 You must know a really good trauma surgeon then.
@@orion3253 lol so dramatic
very well said…true
Damn, I wish I would’ve seen your holsters before I bought the vedder holster. I’m gonna try that one out but if I don’t like it I’m buying a velo4
When I carry my little P238, IWB, 😊it is chambered and safety on - basically like a .380 1911. When I carry the P01, it is unchambered, and I train to draw, rack, and fire. Just personal. Doesn’t make you a bad guy that you disagree, any more than if you were not a fan of IWB carry. Just a personal preference.
How I got comfortable with one in the chamber years back was to start with no rounds in the chamber but have the gun cocked, go about my day and by the end of it, you will realize that the trigger is not gonna pull itself to the back. Meaning if you were to have one in the chamber that day, the gun wouldn’t magically fire itself.
Exactly how I got comfortable with it. And I do it with every new pistol I carry to ensure it’s safe
I just bought a sig p365 2 weekends ago and this is what I'm going to do. Today will actually be the first day.
I think the point of what hardware is being used is very important to this discussion. Even tough im a huge fan of 1911/2011 i think i would not feel comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber (my 2011s have disabled gripsafetys) but with a 226 on double action pull. that would be fine to me. Maybe im very out of touch here but thats my thought to this suspect. But im 100% with you on train with what you use. And how you use it.
Would be cool to have an interactive online responding game that would show you the outcome of your choices using real life footage of people who either make the same mistakes or not
Such a test would be inherently biased, as there is not one possible outcome to a choice but many. Most people don't carry at all, and most of them don't face any negative consequences for that choice. Any negative results would be cherry picking the worst possible outcomes, but then *only* the worst possible outcomes the test maker chose, as you could just as easily put in that test the rare instances of accidental discharge.
Get a rigid holster that covers the trigger; and be very careful when holstering.
keep these brief tip filled vids coming! for #2 maybe 1 secerio could be to have the gun not for a mugging but for a mass shooting where the gunman is still away from you and you cant get away ie he's at the doorway.....
Appreciate the support. 🤙
Maybe I’m just new to guns but it’s crazy to think that the gun will just never go off unless you pull the trigger. Idk if looking at the inners and seeing how the trigger is actuated and how it is physically impossible for the gun to go off without physically pulling the trigger would help with the fear of it going off on its own? But I do know that things do malfunction. I’ll have to take a deep dive into the trigger and see how it functions to make me feel consciously safe to carry with a round in the chamber.
Love the Amtac Northman cameo!
For me it depends:
If it’s on my person, I’m usually condition red (racked and loaded decocked).
My truck guns, be it a folded rifle under the seat or pistol in my center console, I usually run amber (empty chamber with loaded magazine).
Makes sense. 🤙
Taurus and sig both had guns that would just go off i do carry with 1 in the chamber now too ! But i didnt at first it took some time oh and when i was a kid the news kept saying the cops were having negligent discharges in them so it took me to get to trust my gun
My Glock manual said to not store a gun with a round in the chamber, that’s the only reason I didn’t for awhile. Doesn’t make since obviously I’ve changed my ways
store doesnt mean to carry my guy
@@TequilaBoyCz How? You’re not shooting it when you’re carrying. Gun is gonna act the exact same as when it’s stored. Regardless I said I don’t carry with an empty chamber anymore.
It doesn’t make sense to follow the directions of the ppl that made the weapon?
@@RicardoCray I mean go ahead leave yours empty
@@cracker0190 Long term storage. Different metals corode at different speeds. You oil your gun, do you oil your ammo?
I’m torn when I ride my motorcycle. I do trust my pistol, my biggest fear though is it going off somehow if I get into an accident.
Great insight, I’ve always struggled with carrying a round in the chamber because my first gun was a sig p320 (got it when they first released). I’ve heard of that gun going off on it own by multiple sources, not sure if all the incidents where due to the gun itself or a negligent discharge. Anyhow due to that issue I’ve been somewhat scared to carry with one in the chamber. Also I love appendix carry and that is one area I don’t want the gun to go off. I have since switched to Glocks (and shadow systems) but hearing about the sig p320 has always messed with my head. Do you guys have any input regarding sig?
If any reason . That's the BEST reason not to carry one in the chamber 😂
I don’t blame you. I would never carry a Sig with a round in the chamber. I trust Glock and keep a round in the chamber around the clock.
It's really a mind game you gotta get over it I used to be the same when I started carrying my Glock appendix I would literally panic sometimes while driving down the road thinking to myself what if this bumpy ride causes my gun to go off and shoots me in the willy😂 it goes away with time but for real I'd never attempt that with the p320s record like literally any other firearm but that one after all the horror stories I've come across lol stick with tried and true platforms and a good holster you'll be fine
Then you didn’t use the pistol enough or know enough about the pistol.
The early P320’s didn’t fire unless dropped at a certain angle and with enough force.
No p320 has ever fired without the trigger being pressed. Period
@@PnP-td1mt both your claims cannot be true.
“P320’s fired when dropped.”
“No p320 has ever fired without a trigger being pressed.”
As an Israeli, I can share that most IDF regular units such as infantry and armor are equipped with M4 rifles, while special units incorporate pistols into their combat training. Soldiers may carry weapons with a round in the chamber during missions but must unload them on base for safety reasons.
With mandatory service starting at 18, the IDF acknowledges the maturity gap and implements strict safety protocols to mitigate risks.
After my military service, during the early 2000s Second Intifada, I worked as a security guard with a Glock, trained for quick draw and response despite carrying with an empty chamber.
Accidental discharges are viewed with utmost seriousness, underlining the culture of safety in Israeli military and security sectors. The serious approach to safety within the IDF and broader Israeli security sectors is captured by the powerful adage, "safety instructions are written with blood." This phrase underscores the harsh reality that many safety protocols are established in response to past tragedies.
Post October 7th update: recent changes in Israeli regulations now allow more civilians to carry firearms, sparking debate on the practice of carrying with "one in the chamber." A recent incident, where a serviceman struggled to load and fire his weapon during a terrorist attack in a gas station, has highlighted the critical nature of this debate, illustrating the potential life-and-death consequences of such policies.
Appreciate the input 👍
Thanks for giving your perspective. Perhaps if citizens here in the US took gun safety as seriously as y’all do we wouldn’t have such a gun violence problem here.
That’s pretty much the reason I imagined it was. Many young soldiers without experience who (and maybe lacking maturity) who would likely pose more of a safety risk to themselves and those around them by having a round in the chamber. When you have such turnover of new people coming in (many I would imagine never having held or fired a gun before) at a young age of 18, then many leaving the military after a few years and likely not ever carrying a gun again, it makes much more sense in that context.
@@LTCptMAJOR Being safe with a gun does nothing for gun violence. Being safe with a gun means you won't have an accident with one. To fix the violence problem, we have to address the root cause of why people commit violent acts, not fixate of what tool they use.
About a year ago I had purchased an $80 holster for a company called JX (I’m not a very big overweight person) anyway I had done countless draws with this holster, I found myself in a situation where I had to draw my Glock 43x with a TLR 7 sub and it got stuck inside the holster, I didn’t panic ran into my truck pulled out my Shockwave and all 3 individuals ran off without a round fired. I couldn’t imagine if one of them or all of them grabbed me and I couldn’t chamber a round. Moving forward I come across Tenicor and made the purchased it is a SL2 the holster feels and conceals great and the fear of my firearm being stuck has slowly disappeared. I’m putting this out there for others to read and be aware of your purchase, bad things happen when you least expect it this is facts.
Appreciate the support and glad it's working for you!
@@tenicorusa no problem I give credit to where credit is due. You guys make a good product.
Yes you have very good points but I'd rather stick with concept three what of your in a fight and scuffling somebody takes your gun and shoots you with one in the chamber.. so without having one in the chamber you have a couple of seconds to get to him just something to think about the same thing as a car wreck....
That's a lot of mental gymnastics to make your point. Assuming the gun is easier for someone else to get that you is the first one. Flip the script: you're Inna fight and you decide it's time to draw.... not you have to rack it without inducing a malfunction (as is common) and you've made your own self defense tool ineffective.
Great insight and wisdom.
Best part for me was the point that if you aren't comfortable carrying with one in the chamber, then you need more training.
It takes a certain mindset to carry a gun and if you dont have it, don't carry one. It takes training and dicipline. There are plenty of distracted and / or emotional fools out there... maybe NOT carying 'cocked n locked' is right for them.😅😂😢
I just argued with some idiot on CZcams about this he said you only loose a second from having to chamber and shoot and I said why give yourself a requirement to get into the fight
Anybody know the what is the gun at 9:29?
It is a Walther Q5 match steel frame pro
People can carry as they like or want
Of course, doesn’t mean it’s the better option
I’m nervous about carrying with a round in the chamber so to fix the issue and get used to it I switched to carrying a 1911 since it has so many different safety functions. I started with it on full safe cocked and locked but then as time went on I switched to taking off the manual safety and only using the grip safety.
I would consider the 1911 was designed to be cocked and locked and actuating the safety should be heavily trained.
This is the most common piece of carry advice that doesn't actually matter.
Carrying without a round in the chamber only matters in situations where specifically the extra second is the difference between life and death. SPECTACULARLY overwhelmingly this will not be the case in a real life situation where you need to use your firearm. More likely than not, you will either have at a minimum several seconds to prepare yourself, or else you were always going to be dead no matter how prepared your firearm was because you simply never had the threat awareness to know you needed it.
Is it technically very very slightly more effective at protection? Yes. Is there someone out there amongst the billions of people on earth, who's life was saved because he civilian carried with one in the chamber? Certainly yes. Is that margin of effectiveness worth fretting about? Oh my goodness no. By this reasoning, you couldn't ever tie your shoes, or reach for your wallet, or check your phone, or get interested in a conversation. After all, all of those things slow down your response by more than needing to pull back the slide does.
There's nothing wrong with carrying one in the chamber either of course, that's what I myself would recommend to most people most of the time, because unless you have a specific and unusual concern, accidental discharge just isn't a large worry either, but whenever I see someone making a big issue of it its a red flag that this person hasn't really thought through what they're saying, and probably is not a great source of advice.
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Running into an interesting situation with the Certum Lux. I have a Tlr7a on my Glock 19. When I carry, after a while, the twist on the light that allows it to refrain from turning on when pressed, somehow gets activated.
What this means is that if a situation were to occur where I wanted to activate the light, it won’t turn on, unless I twist the light back into the mode that will allow me to turn the light back on again. Not ideal for an emergency situation!
Part of me thinks it could be because the holster doesn’t cover that portion of the light. So it’s twisting against my body when I carry, activating the “do not turn on” mode.
To cover all my bases, I have sent the light to be inspected/repaired by Streamlight. I just received it. Will see if it was an issue on their end.
I would also say it's because the Certum Lux is not specifically for the TLR7a, but "universal." Does it happen with a TRL7 specific holster?
@@pulse5217 Certum Lux is my only holster, and yep, it happened again today :/ went to check light, wouldn’t turn on, had to twist it.
That...still shouldn't be happening. It could be the holster but that's a weird issue for it to cause, since that shouldn't really have much contact with the holster
@@pulse5217 yeah it’s super strange, I sent it over to Streamlight, it looks from the notes like they repaired the ring. And idk why I’m still dealing with the same issue. I no longer know what to do to be honest with ya. Really want to make this set up work. Bought the Tlr7a. Bought a Glock 19. Bought a Certum lux. Something isn’t working :/
@@pulse5217 the ring for the light that twists it into a “do not turn on mode”, protrudes out of the holster. I’m wondering if since there’s no cover for it, that it’s rubbing against my legs or waist and causing the ring to twist and enter “do not turn on” mode.
Do you think when he chuckled about guns don't just go off, do you think Sig was going through his head.
I think most objections to having a round in the chamber boil down to time spent with the gun (building comfort) and investing in a good holster.
Truth
as a professional, who carries a firearm every single day, your video is spot on.
Please keep up the great work excellent video!
Appreciate the feedback. Thanks for the support. 🤙
The IDF has a lot of minimally trained 19 year old conscripts. They don’t carry that way because it’s a good idea. They carry that way to minimize NDs with their teenagers who don’t ever develop much handgun proficiency.
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Not even special forces carry in chamber in IDF, outside combat missions. Because it’s pointless. You don’t shoot anyone unless you’re in a combat situation and most soldiers never face a combat situation in their lives. For a soldier, Carrying in the chamber is just getting one step closer to accident for absolutely no gain.
The "Israeli way" also involves combining the cocking and aiming as a one single fluid motion, it might not be just as fast but it does answer the common issues you raise in this video
Not really though, try it. There is nothing fluid about rotating the gun, cocking while extending, and aiming. It's just don't quickly, but never as quickly as just drawing
@@AJ-hn6fp Carrying in the chamber will always result in a faster reaction, no debate. But if you're already bringing both arms in order to grip and you're already extending your pistol to aim, cocking the gun doesn't add much time to the total reaction time.
Unless it’s a sig, then it will absolutely randomly go off by itself. 😂😂
Maybe it's about if someone takes your firearm
They don't know to rack it or if it's locked
They squeeze and nothing will happen
All correct until the part where he talks about the "Gun magically going off" I do not get why these guntubers consistently forget that there are videos plastered all over the internet of people shooting themselves in the leg from holsters failing somehow OR from a foreign object in the holster. Its not magic, its being human. People make mistakes, people dont notice things.
Wonder why we have airbags in cars? There is a reason. Wonder why we have manual safetys on guns? there is a reason.
Is carrying without one in the chamber a smart idea? No. Is a holster a guarantee that your gun wont go off? NO.
We are not robots. We are not always aware of what is inside our holster 24/7 and the location of every twig, rock or object that could make its way in there in any given situation.
Nor are we aware of the structural integrity of the holster and when it will fail or break.
can we guarantee a very high degree of safety by being responsible and aware? Absolutely. Is it foolproof? No
Having a manual safety is the best compromise between holster safety and not carrying one in the chamber.
The way you describe Israeli carry aficionados talking about their method of carry is exactly how people who carry AIWB react when someone says they don’t want to do it.
Yes, absolutely everyone should carry without a round in the chamber… except for me.
Lolol
Every damn time, I'm hearing this "need more training" argument. In what exactly, though? Most people who choose to carry empty are worried less about themselves handling a chambered weapon, and more about some yokel doing so if their gun gets loose. How many of those parroting the 'seatbelt after car crash' analogy are prepared to protect their holstered weapon in a fight? Like your average fight, 2 dumb oafs arguing over a parking space or whatever...where pulling your weapon out will at minimum get you red flagged? The dude in the vid seems pretty fit, and maybe he has trained for that, dunno. But your average CCW guy, what do they train for beyond draw, fire, and makes some groupings in center mass? I mean come on.
It's been years ago, but I've been in a few scraps, and let me tell you they're usually a hot mess. There's pushing, punching/kicking, grabbing, ripping shirts and stuff, rolling all over the ground, cellphones and wallets flying out of pockets, dudes reaching blindly for this or that, etc. So with a chance that it gets popped out of that kydex holster during a fight, how comfortable do you feel with your chambered pistol entering that chat? Or do you absolutely trust that it won't lol? Let's run some stats, justifiable defensive shootings vs physical confrontations, guess what's more likely? So there you go. Personally, I only carry a pistol hot if it has a manual safety.
I would assume people who aren't comfy with a round in the chamber have never spent a whole week carrying because of actual threat they were aware of and ready for. I carried on an empty chamber ntil I had a situation when I felt less comfortable with an empty chamber. Your mindset will change when you think you may actually need your gun today
Laughs in still alive.
People who carry without a round in the chamber already know all this. Gun nerds wont let them get away with it.
It's like some kind of 'tism
its nothing like a car accident. All of these trainers get their ideas from theories they make up in their heads, or some have police or military backgrounds. None of that is applicable to the overwhelming, vast majority of your average citizen. I am a law abiding, good citizen now. In my younger years I used to run around with a whole bunch of gangsters, gangster types and have been in so so so many sketchy situation, been shot at, had to fight, been attacked etc etc. Not 1 time, not ever, did I have a situation that it was so fast I would not have had a chance to chamber a round in a weapon. These people, all of them, are preaching nonsense to make money, they don't care about you. Think about it, how many sketchy situations have you been in in your life where you can tell things are happening, something is wrong, usually you notice it minutes, (many minutes) before it happens.
Their product still works if you choose to carry without one in the chamber, he's just saying it's stupid. So you see something bad happening "minutes" beforehand... just leave. But in the event you don't get minutes of heads up, now you're adding a high likelihood or malfunction and an additional step for yourself. Sounds silly
@@PARANORMALaj didn’t the comment say about the experience? What are you talking about? I look at a lot of trainers and have come to the realization that most of them have little to know actual experience themselves. A lot of this stuff comes from competitive shooting sports. Again, I told you about my experience. Most of these people grew up in some rural town in middle america and have no concept. All you did was ad hom attack and provide nothing further. I however agree that one in the chamber is the way to go, for a multitude of reasons, but I am perfectly willing to have civil discourse with anyone. You however seem to lack that ability.
It depends on your comfort level, it is better to be armed than not armed at all.
Yes but if you only do what makes you feel safer then you will put yourself in a false sense of security. My draw to first hit is twice as fast with 1 in the chamber. That's the speed difference between some who has trained and someone who hasn't. Gotta take every upper hand that you can
I get what you’re trying to say but if you don’t carry with purpose why carry? If you are that uncomfortable with your own gun you probably need more training before you actually start carrying.
no
The idea that carrying one in the chamber guarantees your safety when the truth is that most accidental discharges happen upon drawing a gun is very interesting. Trained professionals shoot themselves every year and it’s because while people are telling themselves to get comfortable with their gun, I think that’s the exact thing that leads to accidental discharges. You shouldnt be so comfortable with something that can take a life enough to say “I’m going to be perfect when I need to be” and genuinely think that will be the case when it’s proven every year this just won’t ever be true.
To each his own. I on the other hand will always have the upper hand, hopefully.
I carry empty chambered because the law doesn't alow it in my country to carry with a chambered round.
Only reason to carry with empty chamber is law. In my country its illegal to carry loaded gun
Good point, not something we typically deal with here in the U.S. but definitely something to factor in.
I guess we'll never return to the days of believing/thinking, instead of all the "feeling" that's all the rage lately.
SigP320 will fire without human interaction. 😂😂
I laugh at people who insist on doing it "their way" whether chambered or not. There are far more important factors in carrying concealed for protection than carrying chambered or unchambered. The facts are, developing situational awareness and relentless practice using your pistol at the range or dry firing at home will be the two major factors in potentially saving your ass if that unfortunate time ever comes.
You just grab and lift up when you pull your shirt up you make it one motion
Short answer: an unloaded firearm is nothing more than a blunt object.
Times I carry on an empty chamber: at home as risk of ND is higher than someone flying through my window. When the gun is in my car as the first thing to do when driving is to flee but if I decide to get out I rack a round.
When I have 2 guns only one is has a round chambered.
i bet you arent evening training for those scenarios
Empty chamber turns a handhun into a 2 handgun .
Or be like me and am not able to carry into work. Kinda sucks too cuz the shadiest people I know are at work.
I think empty chamber is appropriate when you first start carrying. Even with training, when you first start carrying you are still learning your system and how it interacts with your life. You're learning how your vehicle, chairs, clothing, and everyday tasks interact with your equipment, and you may find issues you need to correct.
My 2 reasons why I consider carrying gun without round in a chamber are
1. I don't have enough training yet so a AD is more likely than getting into a situation where gun needs to be used, because
2. I live in a country which allows CCW but guns are not that widespread here so getting into a gunfight is (IMO) less likely than AD.
I'll start carrying one in a chamber when I get more training and get more confident with holstering
You are introducing a malfunction while a guy is trying to stab you.
What cures stupid? Class? Empty chamber? That is correct.
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I've run into two people who didn't carry with a round in the chamber. The first was a new shooter who didn't feel comfortable about carrying with one in the chamber. The second was one who recently joined the force from the military, and they apparently didn't carry with one in the chamber. Ironically, both started carrying with one in the chamber after getting more training. My issue is time, and it comes down to simple math. A 147 grn 9mm bullet coming out of a Glock 19 moves, on average, at 967 feet per second. Most gunfights happen within 10 yards, but for argument's sake, lets double that to 20 yards. 60 feet divided by 967 feet means that the 9mm bullet traveling towards you will cover that distance in 6/100ths of a second. That means that, in the best case scenario, you need to be able to draw and rack a round in 6/100ths of a second to break even. You are setting yourself up to be behind, and that is not somewhere I want to be in a gunfight.
You're saying by the time the enemy has fired a bullet a person with one in the chamber will have time to draw, point, AND shoot within 6/100th of a second 😂😂😂 in the heat of the moment even target finding can just as easily take longer
This better be a troll post lmao
Please do not carry without a round in the chamber. The Israelis trained to do this for a specific reason and they train a lot. Your typical civilian does not need to practice this method. You are much safer with a round in the chamber carrying concealed.
I will continue to carry without one in the chamber. Anything man made cannot be fully trustworthy
It’s like not putting gas in your car because it can burst into flames 💀
@@bryanmasis1595 it’s a risk for everything, you need a car you don’t need one in the chamber at all times.
@@RicardoCray you don’t need a car, a car is a luxury d
@@bryanmasis1595 you need a car to get around a car is a necessity
@@RicardoCray no you don’t, plenty of people ride bikes, use trains and busses to get around. Having a car is a forgotten luxury.
You mention Israelis but missed one thing - we’re trained to pull the slide as we pull the pistol out of the holster in one continuous motion, it takes less than 1 seconds combined.
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I will never carry without one chambered.
No. If you can’t trust yourself or your gun enough to carry it properly loaded, you shouldn’t be carrying it yet.
Having one even not loaded is better than not having it at all. Simply, go train with your equipment and trust your equipment
Nice video but I have never agreed on time between in chamber vs not in chamber .
The time I feel is irrelevant because the bad person will always pull his firearm out first so u will never be quicker and draw than the bad guy .
Time isn’t the thing for me , it’s the malfunction of racking that is the key
The attacker may not be armed with a gun. It could be a knife, a broken bottle, a brick, or even just multiple people with fists. Time could definitely be a factor then
Or, time is even *more* important if you're playing catch up.
About 6 months after carrying daily an older mentor told me "son not having one in the chamber is like saying i will throw my seat belt on if i think i am going to crash" i have never carried unchambered in about 12 years no matter the type platform.
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But what if you own a p320??? lol
Train
Yes, you should carry with a round in the chamber.
Not carrying one in the chamber is like thinking you can put your seatbelt on before the accident happens…….
Well said
I’m tired of hearing these guys give us their loaded chamber logic which barely is logical at all. There are many good reasons to carry with a round chambered and there are just as many reasons to carry without a round in the chamber. To act like one or the other is always the best solution is childish. Clearly it depends on many factors like competence level, threat level, type of carry etc. Never forget…these geniuses point loaded pistols at their junk all the time. How smart can they really be.
Let's be honest. It's more likely you'll mistakenly shoot your pistol than actually have to shoot quickly in a real life situation. Carrying with one in the chamber is irresponsible.
carrying with one in the chamber and having it ready for any possible threat is the most responsible thing you can do.
😂. You're ridiculous. Maybe try training with your firearm powderpuff. If you don't want to carry with one in the chamber that's your choice, but saying carrying your handgun in the correct manner that it was designed for is irresponsible is ludicrous
Correct @@keepaglockonme2805
Americans shouldn't terrorist carry.
Shaming people for not carrying one in the chamber LOL. Stop it dude.
No one is going to find themselves in a John Wick situation and not have time to rack the slide. Train with racking the slide in mind until it becomes second nature. It's an extra level of security
No.
But them J boys do it over in israel
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Carry without one in the pipe, you might as well not carry at all. Most engagements happen at around 20 feet.
Seriously, carry with one in the pipe or you shouldn't have a gun at all for self defense.
Wrong
a very stupid way to carry.
Dumb analogies
A lot of true ignorance and stupidly around the p320. I’ve yet to see an examination done on a p320 that supposedly discharged WITHOUT the trigger being pressed.
90%+ of the people on the internet spouting their opinions regarding the 320 have no basic mechanical understanding let alone the function of the p320 FCU.
The entitlement of people these days and their stupid opinions needs to stop.
Did you try searching for videos? There's plenty out there. I'm sure after the update it's fixed but there's videos of the original firing when dropped. And videos showing someone hit the rear and it discharging
@@noncompliant209cali I really don’t think you comprehend what I am saying.
The 320 cannot fire without the trigger being pressed.
The trigger moving doesn’t necessarily mean a finger moved it…
It really helps to stop and understand the platform..
Better go live to a safe country...anywhere is safer than the U.S and Haiti
CZcamsr is so full of it so sad ,if a person wants to carry a stick let him carry a stick it's ok if you want to carry a chicken wing in your pocket good for you everybody is not made the same a person must be comfortable with there level of carry with a chambered round or without never tell a person it's not right, teach the most efficient way for them when carrying a firearm and be comfortable doing so if they don't reach the level of one in the chamber then it's gonna have to be a empty chamber as long as they are still alive and walking this earth it's just the way some people are made up in this firearm world no harm no foul i hope.
A friend of mine who has recently completed their mandatory service time in the Israeli Army was mind blown that I carry with one in the chamber. They were further perplexed after finding out that I could order ammunition online and have it delivered in 3 business days 😂
"Better than nothing"
"There is probably some merit"
No, it is better than nothing. Your bias shows heavily.
Yes, we definitely have a strong bias toward carrying with a round in the chamber.
@@tenicorusa I bet it was a lot of fun for many people with the new Sig 320.