I've owned two Ford Fusions with the same goofy 2-piece lug nuts with the soft aluminum cap. The cap was more for cosmetic reasons. There are just way too many occurrences of this issue. Its not caused by "bad" or "cheap" sockets that are being used, its a bad lug nut design plan and simple. One piece lug nuts are the only solution.
Truth! Excellent video. Another cause that ruins Ford lugs is the use of impact wrenches. Did my own brakes and tire rotations and still had the original lugs when I traded my 2013. Why? Because I used a breaker bar and torque wrench, no impact gun.
@@FlyingWrenches13 If that's what most people do, then maybe lug nuts should be chosen that can deal with that? Or is Ford on a mission to teach most people the appropriate way to change a tire? If that's the case, they have a lot of work ahead of them.
I had thought about hammering on a socket, but it felt weird I was looking at like pry/chiseling it off anyway, hammering on a socket worked way faster/better I just picked a cheap chinese socket to sacrifice to the Gods as it were anyway, just wanted to say thanks that really did the trick
Those lug nuts will swell over time on wheels that have never been removed. Nuts that have never had a socket put on them for any reason. I believe they swell due to water getting in them and freezing or corrosion under the cover causing them to swell. In my opinion the sockets used to remove them are not the problem!! These nuts will fail regardless of the quality of the tools used!
Hello! I think you do a great job at explaining this issue! The fact that you are a Ford master tech makes this easy. With your permission, I would like to post a link to this video at the service counter of our shop. We are a tire shop here in a Sam's Club in Clarksville, TN. Thanks for the video brother!
100% agree. Good video and good info. The term "swollen" is a bit misleading but that is how all of the shops seem to refer to them. They aren't really swollen so much as they are deformed from being beaten on by impact wrenches (yes, with bad or worn sockets, or just impact guns set WAY too high on psi) and they have simply separated from the core. Once that separation starts - it goes down hill quickly. I got stung by them and fortunately I was in my own garage where I could deal with it and not stranded on the side of the road with a flat tire that I couldn't remove.
You are spot on. Same shit today got new tires now I have 4 lug nuts that got deformed. They were fine before service. I actually fixed them at home by pounding a good 19mm snap on fully on each deformed but then pounded around the rim of the socket. Pulled off and repeated until the socket goes on and off properly. Yup you can bend the aluminum back to proper shape!
I disagree. I just experienced this issue, and the caps were definitely swollen from 19mm to 19.5mm that is definitely "swelling". I've never heard of this problem with the size of the lug reducing. So the swelling term is apt. Edit..I live in the northeast and I'm fairly certain that water gets in them and freezes, and this contributes to the swelling.
Agreed. All those lug nuts swell and corrode over time, ALL. Rotating tires or not. I know from experience. Solid one piece is the way to go. Make sure the one piece is solid as well because they sell ones that say "solid" but it still has a cap over it.
When using the half size sockets to remove the swollen lug nuts, use a breaker bar to remove and not an impact wrench. The impact wrench backs off and does not get a good impact simular to using extentions. Otherwise the impact wrench takes longer to remove and the lug nut gets jamed and hard to remove from the half size socket.
Here in the rust belt, we get rust and corrosion between the inner nut and the cap. This swells up the cap and sockets don’t fit. Another flaw with the two piece design 😕
First thing I did on my px2 Ford Ranger was replace the POS lugs for one piece chrome ones.. When I put new tires on the truck, the mechanic made a special trip to the office to thank me for it... He hates the OEM lug nuts...
I recently started a side business fixing cars for people and I'm currently working on this exact issue. I had originally thought the studs were stripped nut nope every lug is swollen. Literally every single one. I been chipping these caps off one by one. The heat causes the chrome cap to swell up .
Went through the same thing with my 17 f150 Clint. Had my tires rotated by the dealership when I usually do it myself... long story short, next time I went to rotated them myself? Uh oh! But yeah... what a chore that was! 🍻 🇺🇸
My F150 has this issue and this is my solution. I found that a 7/8 SAE socket fits them a little loose but it works nonetheless.So I simply went to China Freight and got me a cheap 1/2 breaker bar and put my deep well 7/8 socket and breaker bar in my toolbox and I dont worry about it anymore.I solved my problem for about 20 bucks.Oh yeah,one more thing.I also put my old worn out hammer in with the socket & breaker bar.Havent had to use them yet & hope I never do but Im ready if that time comes.
I never have an issue until I go to a tire shop. Every time they mess up some of my lug nuts. I do my rotations and brake jobs even use an impact with a deep, thin-walled Snap-On. I tighten with a 55 ftlb torque stick then follow with a torque wrench at 80 ft lbs.The irony is tire shops tell me my nuts are swollen. Yet a brand-new SnapOn 21 fits them fine. P.S. this is. 2013 Infinit G37 with the same 2-piece lug nuts. Now I just lend the shop my socket each time…. and the lug nuts survive service.
Why in the hell would they change something so simple, The one thing the car owner is going to have to take on and off at some point in their life, and they have to fuck with it and make even changing a tire a monumental task... WTF?
2 piece lugnuts are just a bad design. That issue happens to ALL of them! If you have those lugnuts, just replace them asap to prevent any future problems.
They probably keep putting these on because they know these lug nuts are going too go bad , then you have too come in and be soaked for some new ones. It reminds me of this so called lubed for life stuff. So now, no more grease fittings on most cars and lite trucks. Those lug nuts should be solid in the first place.
I think the lug nuts on the F-150s at least are actually 13/16” on the outside dimension which is really only 20.65mm. The little extra room there with a 21mm socket might be causing those to tear up as well.
It means the Dealership tech over tightened the lug nuts causing them to crush, hence the swollen appearance. The techs easily over-tighten your lug nuts by putting anti-seize on the stud threads and then tightening down with a air or impact wrench. Anti-seize and impact tools should never be used on lug nuts or their post threads. The anti-seize causes your torque rating to increase dramatically, causing damage to lugs, post, rotor, wheel hub, and more. czcams.com/video/X3ndeXiZUeM/video.html
One of my pet peeves, too. Expensive Ford with another known problem. Changed all of mine out with solid Doorman brand $140 on my 17 F150 I can tolerate a little rust on the chrome lugs after a year as opposed to be stranded on the side of the road with a flat at 2 am on my way home from work
I've owned two Ford Fusions with the same goofy 2-piece lug nuts with the soft aluminum cap. The cap was more for cosmetic reasons. There are just way too many occurrences of this issue. Its not caused by "bad" or "cheap" sockets that are being used, its a bad lug nut design plan and simple. One piece lug nuts are the only solution.
Truth! Excellent video. Another cause that ruins Ford lugs is the use of impact wrenches. Did my own brakes and tire rotations and still had the original lugs when I traded my 2013. Why? Because I used a breaker bar and torque wrench, no impact gun.
That is very true. Most people over torque lug nuts with an impact.
@@FlyingWrenches13 If that's what most people do, then maybe lug nuts should be chosen that can deal with that? Or is Ford on a mission to teach most people the appropriate way to change a tire? If that's the case, they have a lot of work ahead of them.
Problem #1 Ford two piece lugs are more easily beat up/deformed than a one piece lug is. Suggest go with Mcgard 64073 Lugs
I had thought about hammering on a socket, but it felt weird
I was looking at like pry/chiseling it off
anyway, hammering on a socket worked way faster/better
I just picked a cheap chinese socket to sacrifice to the Gods as it were
anyway, just wanted to say thanks
that really did the trick
Those lug nuts will swell over time on wheels that have never been removed. Nuts that have never had a socket put on them for any reason. I believe they swell due to water getting in them and freezing or corrosion under the cover causing them to swell. In my opinion the sockets used to remove them are not the problem!! These nuts will fail regardless of the quality of the tools used!
Hello! I think you do a great job at explaining this issue! The fact that you are a Ford master tech makes this easy. With your permission, I would like to post a link to this video at the service counter of our shop. We are a tire shop here in a Sam's Club in Clarksville, TN. Thanks for the video brother!
100% agree. Good video and good info. The term "swollen" is a bit misleading but that is how all of the shops seem to refer to them. They aren't really swollen so much as they are deformed from being beaten on by impact wrenches (yes, with bad or worn sockets, or just impact guns set WAY too high on psi) and they have simply separated from the core. Once that separation starts - it goes down hill quickly. I got stung by them and fortunately I was in my own garage where I could deal with it and not stranded on the side of the road with a flat tire that I couldn't remove.
Yeah I agree with you! Swollen probably isn’t the right term but most people refer to it as that.
You are spot on. Same shit today got new tires now I have 4 lug nuts that got deformed. They were fine before service. I actually fixed them at home by pounding a good 19mm snap on fully on each deformed but then pounded around the rim of the socket. Pulled off and repeated until the socket goes on and off properly. Yup you can bend the aluminum back to proper shape!
My Ford Service called them swollen. $$
I disagree. I just experienced this issue, and the caps were definitely swollen from 19mm to 19.5mm that is definitely "swelling". I've never heard of this problem with the size of the lug reducing. So the swelling term is apt.
Edit..I live in the northeast and I'm fairly certain that water gets in them and freezes, and this contributes to the swelling.
Thanks man! Definitely could use some new ones before shit happens. 😃
Agreed. All those lug nuts swell and corrode over time, ALL. Rotating tires or not. I know from experience. Solid one piece is the way to go. Make sure the one piece is solid as well because they sell ones that say "solid" but it still has a cap over it.
When using the half size sockets to remove the swollen lug nuts, use a breaker bar to remove and not an impact wrench. The impact wrench backs off and does not get a good impact simular to using extentions. Otherwise the impact wrench takes longer to remove and the lug nut gets jamed and hard to remove from the half size socket.
Here in the rust belt, we get rust and corrosion between the inner nut and the cap. This swells up the cap and sockets don’t fit. Another flaw with the two piece design 😕
Where is the link for the actual lugnuts...?
First thing I did on my px2 Ford Ranger was replace the POS lugs for one piece chrome ones.. When I put new tires on the truck, the mechanic made a special trip to the office to thank me for it... He hates the OEM lug nuts...
Another great engineering feat by Ford.
I recently started a side business fixing cars for people and I'm currently working on this exact issue. I had originally thought the studs were stripped nut nope every lug is swollen. Literally every single one. I been chipping these caps off one by one. The heat causes the chrome cap to swell up .
Went through the same thing with my 17 f150 Clint. Had my tires rotated by the dealership when I usually do it myself... long story short, next time I went to rotated them myself? Uh oh!
But yeah... what a chore that was! 🍻 🇺🇸
My F150 has this issue and this is my solution. I found that a 7/8 SAE socket fits them a little loose but it works nonetheless.So I simply went to China Freight and got me a cheap 1/2 breaker bar and put my deep well 7/8 socket and breaker bar in my toolbox and I dont worry about it anymore.I solved my problem for about 20 bucks.Oh yeah,one more thing.I also put my old worn out hammer in with the socket & breaker bar.Havent had to use them yet & hope I never do but Im ready if that time comes.
Hhhhh replace the log nuts and forget the hammar
2012 Focus had bad two piece lug nuts. Finally got all new one piece lug nuts.
Yeah they were bad about messing up as well.
I never have an issue until I go to a tire shop. Every time they mess up some of my lug nuts. I do my rotations and brake jobs even use an impact with a deep, thin-walled Snap-On. I tighten with a 55 ftlb torque stick then follow with a torque wrench at 80 ft lbs.The irony is tire shops tell me my nuts are swollen. Yet a brand-new SnapOn 21 fits them fine. P.S. this is. 2013 Infinit G37 with the same 2-piece lug nuts. Now I just lend the shop my socket each time…. and the lug nuts survive service.
I'm not seeing a link in the description for any lug nuts. Was this removed at some point or an oversight?
No link for the lug nuts
Look through the description links and never saw the one to the lug nuts?
What about just removing the cover of the lugnuts and just directly putting the actuall lug nuts without the covers on the wheel?
I donno, spend a few winters in New England and you'll see what ice and salt does to these on thier own.
Why in the hell would they change something so simple, The one thing the car owner is going to have to take on and off at some point in their life, and they have to fuck with it and make even changing a tire a monumental task... WTF?
Absolutely im tryna change my brakes on are Ford escape n I got 2 on each tire up front that won't come off straight bullshit smh
2 piece lugnuts are just a bad design. That issue happens to ALL of them! If you have those lugnuts, just replace them asap to prevent any future problems.
Capped chrome lug nuts should be illegal.
Does anyone have the URL for the one piece Lugnuts?
They probably keep putting these on because they know these lug nuts are going too go bad , then you have too come in and be soaked for some new ones. It reminds me of this so called lubed for life stuff. So now, no more grease fittings on most cars and lite trucks. Those lug nuts should be solid in the first place.
I think the lug nuts on the F-150s at least are actually 13/16” on the outside dimension which is really only 20.65mm. The little extra room there with a 21mm socket might be causing those to tear up as well.
What a stupid ass design. My GF has a focus and it's a nightmare to rotate her wheels. I'm going aftermarket. Thanks for the video !
Thank you!
It means the Dealership tech over tightened the lug nuts causing them to crush, hence the swollen appearance. The techs easily over-tighten your lug nuts by putting anti-seize on the stud threads and then tightening down with a air or impact wrench. Anti-seize and impact tools should never be used on lug nuts or their post threads. The anti-seize causes your torque rating to increase dramatically, causing damage to lugs, post, rotor, wheel hub, and more.
czcams.com/video/X3ndeXiZUeM/video.html
So you saying it’s the sockets fault?
If the tire guys didn't hammer these lug nuts on with impact wrenches cranked up to full impact perhaps these lug nuts would last a longer time.
Aw, man. Don't knock my Pittsburgh sockets. Lol.
Hey man, I own some too haha
@@FlyingWrenches13 Having good sockets does help. I’ve got some really nice sockets. Harder than woodpecker lips.
Buy the lugnuts at costco they are about $10-30 depending on if you need the 19mm or 21mm. Bad design by Ford
Frustrating when someone says there’s a link to the product - and there’s no link.
I felt personally called out when he said cheap Pittsburgh sockets :( lol jk 😜 🤣
One of my pet peeves, too.
Expensive Ford with another known problem.
Changed all of mine out with solid Doorman brand $140 on my 17 F150
I can tolerate a little rust on the chrome lugs after a year as opposed to be stranded on the side of the road with a flat at 2 am on my way home from work
Yeah those lugs will leave you stranded if you don’t watch them.
It's not just a Ford issue... I had a Ram truck years ago with the same terrible lugs.
Is that only Ford
“Decorative” lug nuts: Stupidest invention ever created.
WTG was ford thinking
What does wtg mean?