"Genshin is a fictional game", where you can find Chinese people in Liyue and Japanese people in Inazuma. But it's wrong trying to find African people in Sumeru or Natlan. Hmm...
If POC characters won't sell well because Hoyo is Chinese, how did Thorns succeed when Arknights is a Chinese game as well? Hell, Arknights has more POC than Genshin. (i.e. Flint, Heavyrain, Tuye, Morgan, Carnelian, Beeswax, Sharp). Is Genshin afraid of experimenting?
Actually you can't find nor Chine is GEnshin nor Japanese. Does any of the Liyue characters look Chinese to you? They're literally shite skinned with stylizied huge eyes. How does those people look Asian to you? LOL
Strange i can't seems the find the "Chinese" or the "Japanese" people you speak of... They all look the same and non asian to me, it's almost like they use the same model with no visual difference between people from Liyue or Inazuma. Or that Liyue and Inazuma isn't China and Japan respectively. Cause japanese people would totally point at yae miko and say "yep she's totally Japanese with the natural born color hair and that's definitely what shrine maidens usually wear." They all also speak the same language no matter the region how fun. With mondstadt and fontain where people can speak Chinese, Korean and Japanese perfectly and absolutely butchered all the German/French words we do hear. also French people are totally 100% Oceanid turned people irl.
Oh yeah i forgot that hoyo has smth similar to this in the game "This is a work of fiction. Unless otherwise indicated, all the names, characters, businesses, places, events and incidents in this book are either the product of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental."
they should’ve made a male pyro archon, they keep making females only. Like imagine a jacked dark skin male op Pyro dps. With a firey personality. That’s sounds so much cooler if you ask me
This. A few years back (before Sumeru lol) I cried a lot about how few male characters there were, and did a comparison ratio for the guys and gals. Iirc it was 33% male 67% female. Man oh man- At first I thought “whatever I guess, this is normal for these kinds of games”. But when I checked the Onmyoji ratio, I was genuinely shocked when it was 49% male, 49% female, and the other % being other lol Edit: I have recalculated for today and now it’s 37% male, 61% female. Ngl, because of how much gay stuff I see, I thought there were more men… 💀
Thank you. The racism for profit is so tiring at this point. If they only want Asian and White characters, then they can take "inspiration" from Asian and White regions. It's a whole different level of gross to directly take visuals, names, everything from Black/Brown cultures but then make everyone White because racism pays more. I won't play that game and support that. It's a cycle, these Iggy Azalea characters sell so thennevery company feels justified in pulling this.
' If they only want Asian and White characters' Show me one Asian looking character in Genshin tho. XD Liyue, and Inazuma characters use the same models/skin tones Mondstadt characters have. XD Liyue/Inazuma character all have white skin, and huge eyes. XD Anime has a certain aestethic.THey won;t chnage it because you're throwing a tantrum. Also fun fact Fontaine represents France, Mondstadt represents Germany as accurately as Natlan represents Mesoamerican cultures.
@@pepita2437 Because a lot of Asians are pale so they get away with it in regions based on a lot of Asian countries, and also just because that comes off as their own culture, it's a Chinese company catering to that audience and we're used to Asian companies portraying themselves with features that do read White. The difference is, there's already a lot of racism and colorism in relation to Asia so when they go out of their way to use Black/Brown cultures but then exclude them it's them taking from someone else. It's like the same reason people within a group can get away with saying things others outside it can't. Most people are like "If you want to screw up your own representation that's on you but don't come over here and take our stuff while being racist to our faces". And yes, that's why they got away with it until now. Sumeru was the first time they used a region that is predominantly dark and White washed it. And Natlan directly pulled art, imagery and names from Black and Brown people from Mexico, to Hawaii to African people, one of the White characters they showed off is named after a Black god, so don't do that. You're trying to defend something that is not cute. I'm stating my opinion as a Hispanic person who's in the group of people having their culture appropriated for Natlan and I'm also no longer playing Genshin because I find this stuff gross and I won't support companies taking our culture while flat out excluding us because they want to be racist.
@@mismismism Can you just stop being disingenuous? You and i both know what their doing is not a simple "ctrl+c ctrl+v" they give their own spin on it and add in their own stuff to create something new. Name a game that doesn't take inspiration from a culture. Like how are you suppose to create a entirely new culture on your own with out taking some inspiration be it intentionally or not. Genshin or any fiction world for that matter isn't suppose to represent a real culture. So why are you treating it as if their "taking" it when their not even trying to in the first place? their not masquerading as Mexico nor any real country for that matter. They even said so themself "This is a work of fiction. Unless otherwise indicated, all the names, characters, businesses, places, events and incidents in this book are either the product of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental" or smth similar to this.
@@godkiller2818 I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you. If they're gonna lift things from a culture with minimal changes then they, you and anyone else, have no right to tell us we can't be upset that they chose to cut out the actual people from the cultures like always. The shit is tired and frustrating. Do whatever you want but I'm not supporting this B.S. and I have a right to put my opinion out there. You can try and spin it however you want, the region is not original fiction. They know exactly what they are doing.
@@mismismism I guess you're not gonna try and disprove any of my point and just say they did minimal changes because you said so then... The region isn't original fiction because NOTHING is original fiction.
Genshin takes the culture but ignores the people, and players seem to just ignore it or just straight up defend it saying its "a fantasy game" or "its just a game" Like yeah, but imagine someone used your culture and straigt up made everyone black. I garuntee for a fact players would be up in arms. If its a fantasy world why do they feel the need to take from real life regions you might as well just make your own!? They've only added one "black" character, but honestly I think they only added her because A. They already released her design and couldn't exactly change her up too much or B. She's a token black character meant to shut people up and be used as an example when fans defend Genshins bullshit. It'll just be "Oh hey look they added a black character you can stop complaining now" It just doesnt make any sense, and theyre limiting what they can do with designs by only making them pale or tan.
@@ricecola9609 completely agree with everything you said, it’s very disappointing how afraid they are to accurately represent the people but are completely fine taking everything else about their culture,religion, and tradition and implementing them into their game to make money. It’s incredibly scummy and shows they only care about what brings them the most money and not giving a true accurate depiction of the culture and its people which is what most of us really want
Dehya feels like the B so much. Her kit is the worse kit in the game, immediately put in the standard banner to make everyone forget about her as much as possible.
Did they just straight up put my country into the game with nothing new added in? If yes then i would mad. But if no then i couldn't care less, since it isn't meant to represent my culture so why would i be mad? I would only be mad if the writing is bad or lazy. Also could we stop being disingenuous and accept that genshin will add in something new excusive to the fictional place called Natlan and not just copy and pasted in Africa/native America. Like did you guys think that Sumeru doesn't have it own story to tell? And that Sumeru is suppose to "represent" the middle east? Like the weird green giant chicken and giant robots shooting lasers at you and go "yep that's suppose to represent the middle east alright". Do you honestly believe that there as giant civil war happening in Japan like in Inazuma, as inazuma is suppose to "represent" japan?. There's a BIG difference between inspiration and representation.
besides the fact of people not being represented and the names from indiginous cultures placed on white people looking ridiculous, as a white genshin player i'd love for a more diverse cast to play with. i don't even play fortnite but i've seen their black characters and they're so well designed and look so much fun to play with, while in genshin we only get copy-pasted pale people :/ the geo eremite is one of the coolest designed characters in genshin (way cooler than the pyro archon, her design was honestly so disappointing), and it's not even playable???? bc of genshins lore and theorists i've learnt so much about some religions and cultures, i've gotten interested in them to the point of constantly reading about it in my free time, and i can't understand how they can appreciate these cultures but not the people behind it :/ i definitely agree with you, and i really hope other genshin cc's will not just skip over it and actually talk about it too
@@aaronchavez2115taking it out of context to benefit your own disillusioned opinion doesnt make your case any better. you do know why he said that right
Hoyo is capping through their teeth when their automated CS response claims stuff like the game doesn't "depict/relate to real events." Like... Inazuma's isolationist "Sakoku" policy? Its "Vision Hunt Decree" clearly alluding to the Sword Hunts/Katanagari (especially Toyotomi's, where these confiscated weapons would be molded into a giant Buddha statue)?? Hello??? It's so bs man. They only commit when it's convenient for them
It's not just the skin tone... It's also the facial features. You can darken the skin tone and it still be off because it just looks like a European with dark skin. For instance, you can't do that with Asian people because they tend to have different kinds of eyes and face structure.
Dude. Have you seen Inazuma/Liyue? XD None of the Liyue/Inazuma characters look Asian. They use the same models/skin colors for them the Mondstadt characters use. They eyes are huge, and not represent the typical Asian eye shape any way or form. And btw none of the Mondstadt/Fonatine characters look like white people either. XD These are just very stylized basicand idelaized depiction of humans, which are not accurate in any shape or form. Have you every saw people with eyes like Hu Tao, or Diluc? Genshin is a fnatsy game. They did not promised us any accurate faithful representation of any culture/nation. They did not prmised us any anatomically//biologycally correct looking characters either. If you were ok with Liyue/Inazuma characters looking nothing like Asians, why do you throw a tantrum now when Natlan characters doesn't look like Mesoamericans? XD
@@pepita2437I completely understand what you mean with this. You’re right the genshin characters do look like stylized depictions of humans which is on brand for an anime style game but with that in mind it wouldn’t be hard to just darken the skin tones but keep everything else the same. I see throughout the comment section some are saying they expect certain features but to me it doesn’t really make sense because it wouldn’t fit into the art style of the game. And also I want to point out that -usually anime or donghua style games or media based in Asian countries don’t typically have the features or skin tones appropriate for that region despite the fact that the creators themselves are Asian. Look at apothecary diaries, mha, danganronpa, your lie in April, a will eternal, etc. The anime and donghua style is kinda just associated with Japan or China respectively no matter the features or skin tones. So it’s like “yeah this character has huge unnaturally colored eyes, a small nose and mouth, and pale skin but this is an anime so it must be based in Japan” (or China most likely if it’s a donghua)
@@edwardp.2481 We usually think it's based in japan not because of the art style but because most stories with the anime art style take places in japan, other stuff like them just saying it's japan and most japanese author writes stories in japan anyways since it's easier to write what you know. Their are still stories with the anime art style that isn't in japan. like in fate/strange fake that take places in the U.S or to your eternity that takes places across the world. Tldr: most people don't assume it's japan just because of the art style but mainly because of other obvious factors.
@@edwardp.2481' And also I want to point out that -usually anime or donghua style games or media based in Asian countries don’t typically have the features or skin tones appropriate for that region despite the fact that the creators themselves are Asian. ' This was my whole point. If CN don't care to portray their own people as they typically look, why people want them to portray Natlan characters a certain way. They made teh game with sertain eastethic is mind, which are no means accurate/realistic. This si why I don't have problem with Genshin characters not 'representing' different 'races' as far as skin color goes.
@@godkiller2818 I get you, I was going to go further but i didn’t want to make my response longer than it already was but yes I agree. I should have been more clear with that.
Thank you for speaking up about this when other content creators have remained in silence. Just a few hours ago Corina (Paimon’s EN VA) recently posted a tweet stating that they, and other voice actors have been trying to communicate this problem during their time within the studio, but Hoyo still refuses to acknowledge the issue. So it’s clear to me that they KNOW what they’re doing, and will continue to do so regardless of what we say or do. Ever since version 2.2, I have been consistently giving them feedback, even going as far as to email them upon Sumeru’s release, but not once have they addressed my concerns, so I’ve given up hope. I feel that the best action to take is to simply stop supporting them altogether. And although it’s not a solution, there’s not much we can do at this point in time. And I’ve also come to realize that a lot of players are colourist and/or racist, so yeah. It’s a sad reality. PS. Candace was based off of Queen Kandake - empress of Ethiopia, a beautiful black woman with such rich and dark skin and yet they STILL refused to darken Candace’s skin appropriately. If you compare the two side-by-side, Candace is nearly paper white next to Kandake. Felt like a slap in the face for me.
My comment isn’t showing for some reason, sorry if you can’t see it but I’ll try to write a simplified version and hope it doesn’t get blocked again. I think with the release of natlan the game will be booming better than ever unfortunately and many in these communities don’t care about this at all. It’s always “who cares about representation” until it’s a white character being replaced by a black one and suddenly there’s outrage and people calling the game “woke”. These companies realize they can do whatever they want and so they don’t care to listen to us in the west since the only audience they care about are the Chinese and Japanese, nothing will ever change and people trying to downplay the issue simply don’t realize or care enough to think long enough why it may rub others the wrong way. Also that thing about Candace I had no idea about, sad to hear there’s even more they messed up that I didn’t already know
@@_Gabimaru It’s even more perplexing since Chinese players really liked Dehya, and she’s one of the characters with actual melanin, albeit her banner didn’t do so well (due to her kit), it’s definitely something to think about. Hoyo is clearly misguided if they think characters of colour won’t sell well, and it’s their fault that Dehya didn’t have high sales in the first place (standard banner character, bad kit, clunky gameplay, etc). Similarly with Cyno, since there’s quite a few issues with his kit and gameplay too. IF they were testing to see whether or not characters with dark skin tones would sell well BEFORE getting permission to create characters with an even darker complexion, they did an atrocious job at it. You can’t expect good results with minimal effort put into it. I’d sincerely like to know why they continue to do this. Is it racism? Prejudice? Or something else.
@@Sylvia-yp2dxyour making me think of a conspiracy that maybe they flopped with Dehya kit so they can paint this narrative 🤔 The amount of post I saw asking to get her Fixed 😔 it’s the tone deafness for me 😤
@@Sylvia-yp2dx lol sorry not sure which they you asking but will try to rephrase. they "company" made a bad kit on purpose to have the narrative you mention. ( black/dark characters don't sell) The community asked for Dehya to be updated or fixed but hoyo never listened and moved on with their day. like the responses was so disrespectful imo. LIke she was made broken .
I feel the same. OMG I'm so dissapointed in the pyro "Archon". and I pulled cyno because he looks like me too. Sumeru was a dissapointment and now natlan also crushed my hope and I don't expect dark characters in snezhnaya either.
You see, i can only excuse the archon if she is an outside entity. Kind if like a colonist god or body appointed by celestia. (Though 100% hoyo would never)
I genuinely hate the lack of different skin tones in Genshin not even because of some underlying colorism within the devs (which, as an Asian, I know is very possible, because the beauty standards here really want light skin colors), but because it's just making every character look the same. My first reaction to Mualani's design was "She looks like Nilou." It's genuinely so boring to look at what looks like the same person in a different costume. At least a different skin tone will bring something to the table if they never diverge from the 5 body types.
hmm well I just hope that Hoyo’s current Natlan Characters are just the tip of the iceberg. Hoping for other releases of Natlan Characters has POC and diversity on them tho.
In hi3 (another game from hoyo) a character named carol. From what i was told, carol is POC (people of color) it was said that she hated her skin color In honkai starrail (game from hoyo) A character name arlan. He was one of the best character in the early development of the game. From what i was told he was able to heal himself with his 4th eidolon or constellation. But after some update he was downgrade and now was the weakest character in hsr. In genshin impact. There is this racist lamp in the main dessert world quest. And a sumeru poc npc gone into the fountain to get a new life in fountain. i forgot what it was about but the single line from paimon that sounded so racist i distantly remembered. Hoyoverse had alot of Controvesies on different games. But they're were so small that they can shove it to the side and shoving all the content down the players throat. (Mind you the content that they were shoving was boring, repeated and lame rewards that bearly make a single 10 pull. A bear minimum reward) There is alot of pale characters and less black and brown color. Heck cyno, keaya, xiyan and other poc characters are pale or ligher black/brown. I really hope that they heard the voices and adress it, change what NEEDS to be change and apologize instead of ignoring those voices. I really like all the games that hoyos makes but these decision are just so in furiating and sucks ashh that it ultimatly destroies the whole games, jobs, (va's, developers etc. Etc.) and the new gamer's perspective, expectations and its moral or ethics in irl or digital
Natlan is a missed opportunity to inject some much needed diversity into the game. Genshin's roster is to homogeneous. As you said, nobody will give a shit about this once 5.0 drops, so I am not going to waste my breath. Although there is no denying that Hoyoverse is a colourist company. Anyone who denies this is coping.
(I'm very sorry that this comment is off topic, but before I speak... Thank you for making a video about this, and being very pleasant and informative.) An argument I have seen a lot, more so in the past because I don't engage in online spaces much anymore, was "It doesn't matter what skin colour, gender, culture they have, you can still relate to them." And I believed that to be true long ago, and I do still believe it to be true today. However, I don't think anyone can or should deny that these attributes had an affect on their lives. The person you are right now, depending on let's say, your race, is going to be a different person if you were born as that other race. If you wish to deny this too, then I implore you to look at your parents. Since you are now this different race, then of course that means the race of your parent would be different. Do you really think that, given the time we are in now, your parent would have the same exact experience if they too were a different race? Something that a lot of people love to say is, that times are different, and I agree they are different. Representation and the like *has* gotten better, but it wasn't always like this. It wasn't like this for your parents (er most likely, idk it depends on how old you are lol). Anyway, because of the different experience of your family, they will very likely raise you differently. Prejudice is taught, and your first teacher is more than likely your parent. A character who is the same colour as you, or perhaps the same (or equivalent if we wanna speak on fictional stuff) race as you, has a higher chance of being a character that you connect with. Uh I kinda forgot what else I wanted to say lol Edit: THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THE DARK SKINNED ENEMIES HOOOOOOOOLY IT MAKES ME GENUINELY SO SAD IT HURTS. I have a VERY strong opinion on one of the most common enemies in the early game. I hope you know which enemy I'm referring to because I hate saying or even thinking about how they make me feel. This is also a bit embarrassing but, I understand that it is a very common trope for a character who has white skin being seen as pure and good (and feminine bcus mfw almost all hetero couples in Japanese media have the dude with darker skin than the girl). But listen, listen sweetie honey cutie whatever you wanna be called- That's an outdated way of thinking. You know what else is outdated? Slavery, misogyny, homophobia, ableism, so on and so forth. We can accept these things as being outdated, let's move on from dark skin = bad, white skin = good as well :')
And let’s not forget what they did to poor Dehya, I swear she was brown when I met her in her quest and her release trailer had her looking like a whole ass white person 😢
As an African American I do believe that it’s some what justified to be annoyed or outright angry at Hoyo. For example in Sumeru NPCS have very mixed skin tone and names that don’t even fit how they look. But, the fact of the matter is, even many POC don’t care about this situation. Not only that I don’t think being represented my a community that openly sexualizes minors is the best thing. And though I may not speak for all POC, neither do all the non POCS that seem to care the most about this situation. Yet they fight a fight that even majority of the “victims” aren’t even fighting. And if you want a great example of this watch “Students vs. Mexicans: Cultural Appropriation,” if you don’t want to; basically and man dress in Hispanic clothing asks non Hispanic students want they think of his outfit and almost all say that it’s cultural appropriation, but then he asks actual Hispanic people what they think and all of them say it’s completely fine. And Genshin and Hoyo as a whole seem quite endearing to POCS and their culture to, recreating their style, to creating names that derive from there, to adapting cultural music, to adapting cultural traditions, to dances such as Nilous. And yet no one remembers nor recognizes these things, it’s as if all you want to see is hate in this world. Countless amounts of effort put into all of that and yet your stuck on pigments. So I don’t think a company that truly wants to take a countries culture and run with it would put all that effort into all of that listed above. And if you look at all of there other ips like hrs that they have not a single POC in that game. Tho Genshin may only have 5 POC even if it isn’t enough they still tried to represent us. Not to mention they didn’t have any which they really could’ve done. And overall it’s a stupid gacha game not some deeply rooted evil game looking to suck all the cooler out and Egypt, West Africa, and Latin America. And losing sleep because a flipping green little girl isn’t darker than the night sky and she isn’t as black as I am in a fictional universe is insane. Like the game is on the verge of ending, you should atleast enjoy your time and not waste it complaining about skin tones of some random character. Thank you for listening to my yap >:) And have a great day.
And also Hoyo will just never care bc this issue is mostly rooted in EN community, and Hoyo rlly only gives CN community their way( example Zhongli and first Anniversary ) so ngl non of us will never get our way with them 🗿
@@user-qw5sr5bi2p in the video I mentioned that they do everything perfectly but represent accurate skin tone so no I’m not trying to blindly hate and I’m not not recognizing everything that goes into the music and region design I’m simply sick of them being afraid to include even one black character in the game. Im not trying to force representation in every region just the ones that are based off of indigenous people and their culture which are sumeru and natlan. And for me personally it’s not only about representation I’m just sick of every character being completely white, not even real asians are as white as the characters in these games I just want to see some variety for once
@@_Gabimaru Yeah fair enough, variety would be good, but yet again at least they have more POC unlike Hrs’s one, Wuwa’s none, ZZZ’s one, Punishing Gray Raven’s one,and Honkai impact 3rd’s one. But I do respect and understand your opinion.
Thank you for your comment, and I agree. People like to forget that anime has a certain aestethic. I wonder the reason these people weren't throwing a tantrum when Inazuma/Liyue came out, and suprise/suprise, Liyue/Inazuman characters didn't look Asian. XD Hoyo used the same models/skin/hair colors Mondstadt characters used. Genshin did not promised us any accurate/faithful representation of nay culture/nation. Teyvat is a fictional world.
@@_Gabimaru There are black characters in the game. Kaeya has very dark skin (as far as ingame variety goes), just like Iansan has. ;P But that is not enough for you is it? Because they don't have the qualities you associate with 'black people' so they don't count in your mind. ;P You're not talking about skin color, despite your insitence, you want 'representation'.
This is one of the reasons that I quit playing genshin, amongst many others. But like if people have all these problems with games like genshin, HSR, pokemon and OW, why do they keep playing/spending money on em?
Because most liberals live in an a echo chamber, and don;t realized that they are just a very small fraction of the people who live on this palnet. You can leave, and do so if you don't agree with what Genshin does. But it won't chnage th fact that billions of chinese, Japanese, Philippines, Europeans etc will still pay millions for the great content Genshin provides. :)
Ororon is the character's actual name in en, while the cn team did amazing and actually kept his name as "Olorun". Its so disgusting seeing how they misspelled his name. Whitewashing him wasn't enough? Now we also have to change names. "Oh but this is our character, why would we name our character "Olorun" when our character is actually named "Ororon", i mean it's our character" Our character this, our character that, if u want to make ur own character dont take ispiration from real life people, events and culture. How did the Chinese dev nail the name while the English one just f*ed it all up? So disgusting and disappointing.
So there never been a fictional character who takes inspiration from a real person before? Every single fiction character that has ever been created be it in genshin or otherwise is inspired by real life people or are inspired by real life culture like cyno *cough cough* yet nobody is made at him when he's a original character? Us humans are extremely bad at coming up with things on our own, why do you think there are some common design motif no matter the game? Ororon* isn't suppose to be "Olorun". He's suppose to be his own character with his own goals, morale and personality. Why are you treating him as if he's Olorun? He's inspired by him yet but they're not meant to be the same character. They even said so with the disclaimer "This is a work of fiction. Unless otherwise indicated, all the names, characters, businesses, places, events and incidents in this book are either the product of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental".
well, chinese or japanese people aren’t white either, but in genshin they all are white. i don’t think that this is a relevant discussion because it’s just a chinese game. they simply won’t change anything because, well, the most loyal chinese fanbase won’t buy those characters. to be honest, i don’t really think that this game needs to have darker characters. there’s no one who actually lives in the desert, except dehya or candace and they are tanned. plus, the sky in teyvat is fake so is the sun, so there’s no need for melanin. yeah, they implement different cultures, but it’s just an anime game. we don’t see people looking like that in real life. i think that mihoyo just chose to have one race so there would be no conflicts based on ethnic differences/controversies based on this. my culture will probably be erased in snezhnaya, key elements represented as russian. do i care? not really, because it’s an unrealistic anime gacha game
@@bibbi407 thanks for your completely useless opinion that ignores the fact that the majority of Chinese and Japanese are white and not black, the indigenous tribe their taking inspiration from is nearly-completely black people that is the difference. All countries you mentioned for comparison are countries with a majority populous of white people, where you would EXPECT white characters, while regions based on indigineous tribes and coloured people you’d expect people of COLOUR and not everyone to be WHITE. That is the point I’m trying to make, I am cuban making me Hispanic however my skin colour is WHITE, it is no different for all these other countries being a different ethnicity doesn’t equate to your race, there are black Cubans and white Cubans just how there are white Chinese/japanese and black Chinese/japanese. That’s why no one complains about characters being white when representing other countries with a majority populous of white people and that is why you see people complain when everyone is white in a region based off of indigenous tribes who are majorly black, the only reason this is even a debate is cause of how ignorant some people are in not being able to ever realize this.
@@_Gabimarufirst of all, don't be so hostile there's no reason to get THIS at an opinion, you can be mad at the company,lack of diversity but there's NO reason to get mad at someone giving it from their perspective. Secondly, I don't speak for and I shouldn't but in my perspective its not that deep BECAUSE hoyo really does mess alot of cultures, even outside of indigenous ones that aren't Chinese specific, Monsdstat is an amalgamation of different European culture When someone looks at Monsdstat for the first time,they don't think "Oh, that's Germany!" No they think its some fantasy land, even Fonatine,they won't pinpoint it to be Mainly french inspired they most likely might think "oh A more modern fantasy land that has a side of steam punk!" My conclusion is, don't be calling other's opinion "useless" or "trash" when it could be a genuine opinion about their perspective which isn't obviously offensive 😐
@@Normalperso2833 i can speak however I want on whatever topic I want, this is someone who thinks ethnicity equates to race and comparing countries filled with white people to indigenous cultures filled with black people which are 2 completely different things. And comparing mondstadt to regions that are most obviously inspired by indigenous tribes and their religion is pure stupidity, anyone can tell from a first glance mondstadt is a region based off of white people but the moment you step into sumeru and Natlan you can instantly tell it’s a completely different culture and area, they even have their own tribes and a desert for crying out loud
@@Normalperso2833the fantasy land excuse doesn't work when theyre using names such as kinich (maya sun god) and mavuika (maori fire deity) for their white characters. if theyre going for a fantasy land-esque look then make it original and separate.
@@_Gabimaru and what gave you the reason to think that i don’t see the difference between race and ethnicity? my whole point was about how similar models are. no liyue character has slanted eyes, higher cheekbones or other distinctive features. all of the models are the same and like??? you can’t just change a colour of a model and expect it to pass as poc. i personally think that demanding simple recolour from mihoyo wouldn’t be enough, because it won’t really change anything about the diversity in this game. in the end of a day, it’s just a chinese anime game, surely it would cling to chinese understanding of beauty because this is what their main fanbase tends to like
I play a lot of games, but, it's kinda ironic when a farm simulator game has more representation than Genshin ever has in its 4 years (coral island). And, no, Hoyo won't listen. They've been deaf for years. Ppl keep paying them money even w/ stingy rewards. They won't listen unless it affects their sales.
Asking for diversity in a hoyo game is like asking for Endgame in Genshin for the last 4 years. Star Rail is a space scifi game. Compare it with games of similar setting/genre like Mass Effect and KOTOR. So called alien species are just white/asian anime characters with cat ears.
@@mites7 that’s cool but hundreds of thousands do give a shit including me so I’m gonna talk about it, it’s not about being too attached wanting some diversity in a region inspired by indigenous tribes after dealing with only white people for 4 years isn’t being attached it’s just getting bored of every character being the same skin colour and realizing this was our last chance to get something new just for them to flop and make everyone white as snow again
Also THANK YOU for talking about this. We should all be talking about it and making our own edits to show the characters we could’ve had. Omg and the enemies thing PISSES ME OFF. I almost quit because of it when I was a new player!!
Finally, someone talked about it, I know that everyone is very happy with the Natlan update, I am aswell quite excited to try it out. As much as I understand the circumstance of this game since it is made in China, and Chinese are loyal to Mihoyo before it became Hoyoverse and we know that the market base in china is large compared to Global, so they must maintain this type of community. Colorism is a very diverge topic, someone can specify if it was about racism/racial discrimination depending on what people may think, for me personally, it wouldn't be a problem if only if they didn't represent each region as a country, but I will not treat it as a racial discrimination because judging from their past situation from Chinese, Mihoyo cannot always make their own decision because China is also have this part of being communist, so they decided to make Hoyoverse to make events catering Global/JP/CN but unbiased treatment. So, with that means, this colorism is a market strategy they want to protect their market value, if a character didn't pass Chinese expectation, they will lose revenue. For us (GLOBAL) we can always understand the situation, no matter what they throw on us, even if we're mad about it, we still play it like it doesn't harm. We don't know how Chinese think, so yeah....
Hoyo does not 'represent', and they have never promised us any accurate/faithful representation of any culture/people/country. What they do is they take a lots of cultural/mythological/historycal elements and mix those together to create their own fantasy world. They absolutely did not 'represent each nation as a country' LOL. Fonatine tho is called a French name, and has a lots of French easter eggs/influences, it is amalgamation of several diffenerent European countries, with very different cultures (France, Britain, Italy, Greece, romania) Fontains' represenation of France is just as accurate as Natlan's representation of the Aztec/other Mesoamerican cultures. Teyvat is a fanatsy word, idk why you'all expect it to 'reflect the world you live in'. (which is btw , what you see of the world is an incredibly, unbelievably small little piece of it, and wanting a fictional work to portray the world yexactly as ou see it as is incredibly narcissistic)
If you know East Asia culture a bit you will know that they have favoritism for lighter skin. It's basically their common beauty standard. If you can have strong opinion about skin color of video game character then so can they. I'm here simply to state the fact that those EA people who like lighter skin make up majority of player who play and pay Hoyoverse. They test the water with Kaeya then Xinyan. Now it seems like Dehya, Candace, and Sethos are as brown as they willing to go. Keep voicing you opinions, more power to you.
what makes me demoralized is some of the comments on the internet responding to this topic. there are people out there who are convinced that this complaint about a lack of skin diversity is either a troll or somebody forcing a political agenda on someone else. it's disheartening and people need to grow up.
Well, it would be nice if the pressure from western fandom could change the habits of East-Asian gaming companies, but I'm afraid we have to keep dreaming.
I feel like the designs are still mainly specifically targeted at Chinese audiences and their beauty standards, so characters have to be white or "just tan" to fit that trope, so the company won't have issues with their main income source. Also with the body type thing, China likes skinny people in general, pretty boys, you get it. Just my take tho.
the thing is, theres been plenty of chinese games that still represent cultures alongside diverse skin colors very well. take reverse: 1999 for an example. cn players themselves have also had strong opinions about the lack of dark skinned characters since sumeru, the forums were very vocal on it. i personally believe players value a better kit rather than the actual skin color of a character.
@@Normalperso2833 key word is "mostly", they're able to. and that doesnt excuse the whitewashing of cultural deities. referencing the names of them directly in your character only to make it some white guy just comes off wrong. if other asian game companies can do it i dont think hoyoverse should be safe from that criticism, even if they do nothing.
agree with you, hoyo is probably making decisions based off profit. they invested a large sum into a nuclear power plant,, i dont think it's a stretch to assume they contract market researchers
I want them to fix the dialogue inconsistencies in the prologue and stop calling Aether "the princess", but I know that's never going to happen since there is no money in it. It's all about the money, and Hoyoverse knows how to make all the money. If they aren't doing something, it's because it's not profitable. What is profitable are the characters they've released so far, who so happen to be primarily white. Granted, if anyone could make an awesome darker skinned character, it would be Mihoyo, but they must've already considered and dismissed the possibility. If you want change, you must either be that change and create your own game that embodies your visions or speak with your wallet, by which I mean a couple millions of dollars might persuade them.
it's cap to say that dark skin characters aren't profitable and I'm tired of this narrative being trotted out whenever ppl bring up valid criticism of basically any media that "dares" to have dark skin characters, or various other minorities, represented in it. there's no metric to base that assumption on b/c the few that are in the game aren't that great from a meta perspective, and they haven't released any truly great characters that are dark skinned, so you literally can't say whether a dark skin character would or wouldn't be profitable. plus, it seems like the dark skin characters that were teased in previous patches were fairly popular BEFORE ppl found out about their less than ideal kits (why is xinyan physical and not pyro, why doesn't her damage scale with the same stat that powers the strength of her shield, or has a constellation to convert that dmg scaling, why is dehya kinda shitty before c1 increases her dmg based on hp and even then she's still not that great even though I love her design and actively use her, why is her kit so gd clunky!). like, if furina or neuvillete were, for some reason or another a dark skin character (it's not like there aren't any black/brown ppl in fucking france/europe let's be real lol), would she be ANY less valuable or meta? no. therefore her sales would've likely been just as good, if not better. we don't have data to verify this one way or another, but it's definitely not helping them, which MIGHT not be the worst thing? b/c shitty gacha practices frfr. beidou, a fucking pirate more or less, would have been such a cool character to be dark skin, and for the historically accurate assholes, there is a history of black/brown ppl that did travel by ship very often. that's how things like dyes and spices ended up in places like europe. those ppl also have settled in the countries they found pleasant. it's just such a silly notion to only have white/light skinned ppl in these games, regardless of it being made in china or some other east asian country. they *can* do better yet they choose not to. but also, profitability shouldn't dictate what kinds of characters are put in the game if they want to make a world that is *somewhat* reflective of the one we all live in, which they are clearly doing. AND they know how to make dark skin characters when they want to make an antagonist sooo...
I partially agree with most of your points, but Hoyoverse is the one making billions with their creative ideas. Their world seems to be working perfectly fine and they probably won't hear the opinion of the foreign minority. I think we're in a situation where both sides are right. The game should have a more balanced ethnic roster, but the creators should be able to make the game they want to make.
you were saying there are black characters that dosent fit the setting. i was wondering if you have any exsamples of this or if it was pandering, cause i don't really think a black person can ever "not fit the setting"
a literal non problem especially because SBS and garbage like that exists now so just play games where SBS is involved if skin color is so important to you.
The concept of (culture representation) is so weird to me. And I'm a Saudi I can't imagine because someone is from the desert. He should be a darker man wearing a thoup for what!? For me to say (heeyyy he look just like meeee) like whattt?? It's ok to have all the characters white or all of them black or anything Why are sooo fixating on this matter?! Ps; I'm an ex genshin player But i never understand why this whole diversity thing IS A THING!!
Olorun, one of the characters revealed in the natlan trailer is supposed to be a supreme deity in the yoruba religion and he’s completely black, in the game they made him white and a twink. Natlan is supposed to be based on indigenous people yet only showcase a small amount while everyone else is either completely white or slightly tan. When you take from other peoples culture and implement it into your games region and purposely leave out their skin tone and make them all white it looks very bad and doesn’t feel like an accurate representation at all. It’s getting old making every character white or slightly tan on purpose cause of fear they may sell less. It’s not even like people are asking for black characters in every region we just wanted them for sumeru and natlan since those regions best portray indigenous people yet hoyo won’t even give us that much, it’s an obvious agenda these companies are trying to push by whitewashing every character when they aren’t supposed to be for more money.
@_Gabimaru i just remember how i laughed so hard when i saw Netflix showing Cleopatra as a black woman. It just hit me when i was reading ur comment. You're right. It could be identified as a history falsification of a culture because it's purposefully making it inaccurate and wrong. Thank you for clearing the issue for me.
imo Genshin won't make characters with a darker skin color because they don't care, because chinese people don't care and the game is exclusively for them, it seems. hoyo will do what works the most in china, and the skin color and proper cultural representation is none of their concerns, no matter how many times we complain cus they NEVER listen to us, they never listen to the other big part of the community and it's frustraiting and infuriating.
This is a stupid vilifying claim. Countless games like Arknights and Reverse:1999 have great POC representation, and they’re made by chinese companies, and well received by fans. Hoyo is literally at fault.
why are u lying bro? u say you pulled for cyno for his skin tone, but he s not built. he's benched at 23, no artifacts, no weapon, no nothing. but u want darker characters? you're not even using the ones you have. maybe genshin is not for you.
This is a weird comment when everyone knows that majority of the tan characters in Genshin would need extreme maintenance to be even decently well besides kaeya because of their shitty kits. Just because someone is criticizing something doesn’t mean they hate it? And if we continue to ignore it and not discuss issues like this, then there will be no change. “Go somewhere else if you don’t like it.” “Well it’s not your game so you can leave if it makes you mad,” don’t you think that’s just weird? Just because something doesn’t affect YOU, because clearly the lack of diversity in a game that’s an emulation of real life things doesn’t, will not mean it doesn’t bother the people they’re trying to make a representation out of. Step out of your warped and privileged opinion and think outside of yourself, it will bring you enlightenment and new knowledge. If people kept leaving things the way they were without criticism, without protest or without speaking up about it, the world would be in shambles. If YOU don’t like the points that people are bringing up about sensitive topics, I beg, ask yourself why it makes you uncomfortable in the first place. This comment seems like rage bait, so I’m gonna leave this here.
Given the same logic, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE when JAPAN do it with the gods and goddesses, a king/queen, Scientists and other famous people IRL ? Putting big tiddies and stuff, making black character white, swapping genders etc... I didn't see you guys yapping on twitter about this. Take note, Genshin is a part of HONKAIVERSE. Characters, especially the core ones have their alternate versions of it. (Eg. SHP-Kiana, Ei -Raiden Mei, current Pyro Archon - Himeko) Genshin only takes some inspiration from our world and is not a replica of it 1x1 nor it is a accurate representation of the real thing, they're just using those inspiration for a baseline of world building but tweaks it for their own story, similar to how Marvel Uses Thor or the Norse mythology for its characters and baseline of the story but it's nowhere near from representing the real norse mythology or being a accurate representation of Norse Mythology.
@@ArthurMorgan.1863 this isn’t only about representation I didn’t make this video trying to be a social justice warrior I’m just sick of there being no variety and every character is completely white or slightly tan, it gets to a point where it feels weird being in regions based around indigenous people and all you see are white people and furries and not even a hint of black people who the culture is based off of. The Chinese community was in outrage when zhongli (the archon representing china) was weak and so they were in outrage when he released and changed his kit, it’s proof mihoyo only gives a shit about Chinese fanbase and representation when it comes to the Chinese and no one else. Also your comparing mythology with real religions and culture, sure I wish cyno was darker but I wasn’t speaking for him I was speaking for sumeru and natlan in general
uhm I feel like we all the reason here? Black characters or characters of color are just aren't popular in CN? want me to give an example? just look up the infamous cn detergent add where a black dude was put into a washing machine and he came out like a perfect chinese man. All of the representation and cultural appropriation aside, think about this logically for a second? would you make a product that you think won't sell that well? NO, neither will any company. It is stupid to expect companies, who are driven only by the thought of profit, for cultural diversity. Another example, Remember how Target did a big event on how they are supportive of LGBTQ+ and had designed products showing their faith, a week later those were pulled off the shelf because they didn't sell well. Another example Google let go like 80% of it's diversity hirings i think after the beck and call for more cultural diversity in the tech Industry was over. Google a self proclaimed supported of diversity didn't need as much of it after the hue and cry was over.....strange. Coming back to genshin, most of the characters of color well "color" are like what dehya? a standard banner character and candance who is a 4 star that's it? they were mostly throw away character going by their kit and "sell" value. As harsh as it may sound it is the reality of the capitalistic world, what is something gonna sell is what it's worth. I am brown btw, I am not as bothered by not having with appropriate representation because i understand the above. Money speaks, that's all. Was not my intention to make this political but it's just the reality of things. Warm Regards
"Genshin is a fictional game", where you can find Chinese people in Liyue and Japanese people in Inazuma. But it's wrong trying to find African people in Sumeru or Natlan. Hmm...
If POC characters won't sell well because Hoyo is Chinese, how did Thorns succeed when Arknights is a Chinese game as well? Hell, Arknights has more POC than Genshin. (i.e. Flint, Heavyrain, Tuye, Morgan, Carnelian, Beeswax, Sharp). Is Genshin afraid of experimenting?
@@doedoel035 Thorns is not only brown/black, he is also a male character. He is one of the most popular characters I the community.
Actually you can't find nor Chine is GEnshin nor Japanese.
Does any of the Liyue characters look Chinese to you? They're literally shite skinned with stylizied huge eyes. How does those people look Asian to you? LOL
Strange i can't seems the find the "Chinese" or the "Japanese" people you speak of... They all look the same and non asian to me, it's almost like they use the same model with no visual difference between people from Liyue or Inazuma. Or that Liyue and Inazuma isn't China and Japan respectively. Cause japanese people would totally point at yae miko and say "yep she's totally Japanese with the natural born color hair and that's definitely what shrine maidens usually wear." They all also speak the same language no matter the region how fun. With mondstadt and fontain where people can speak Chinese, Korean and Japanese perfectly and absolutely butchered all the German/French words we do hear. also French people are totally 100% Oceanid turned people irl.
Oh yeah i forgot that hoyo has smth similar to this in the game "This is a work of fiction. Unless otherwise indicated, all the names, characters, businesses, places, events and incidents in this book are either the product of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental."
they should’ve made a male pyro archon, they keep making females only. Like imagine a jacked dark skin male op Pyro dps. With a firey personality. That’s sounds so much cooler if you ask me
That may be the design of Xablanque tho. Since he was not shownin the trailer. ;P
This. A few years back (before Sumeru lol) I cried a lot about how few male characters there were, and did a comparison ratio for the guys and gals. Iirc it was 33% male 67% female. Man oh man-
At first I thought “whatever I guess, this is normal for these kinds of games”. But when I checked the Onmyoji ratio, I was genuinely shocked when it was 49% male, 49% female, and the other % being other lol
Edit: I have recalculated for today and now it’s 37% male, 61% female. Ngl, because of how much gay stuff I see, I thought there were more men… 💀
Thank you. The racism for profit is so tiring at this point. If they only want Asian and White characters, then they can take "inspiration" from Asian and White regions. It's a whole different level of gross to directly take visuals, names, everything from Black/Brown cultures but then make everyone White because racism pays more. I won't play that game and support that. It's a cycle, these Iggy Azalea characters sell so thennevery company feels justified in pulling this.
' If they only want Asian and White characters'
Show me one Asian looking character in Genshin tho. XD
Liyue, and Inazuma characters use the same models/skin tones Mondstadt characters have. XD Liyue/Inazuma character all have white skin, and huge eyes. XD
Anime has a certain aestethic.THey won;t chnage it because you're throwing a tantrum.
Also fun fact Fontaine represents France, Mondstadt represents Germany as accurately as Natlan represents Mesoamerican cultures.
@@pepita2437 Because a lot of Asians are pale so they get away with it in regions based on a lot of Asian countries, and also just because that comes off as their own culture, it's a Chinese company catering to that audience and we're used to Asian companies portraying themselves with features that do read White.
The difference is, there's already a lot of racism and colorism in relation to Asia so when they go out of their way to use Black/Brown cultures but then exclude them it's them taking from someone else. It's like the same reason people within a group can get away with saying things others outside it can't. Most people are like "If you want to screw up your own representation that's on you but don't come over here and take our stuff while being racist to our faces".
And yes, that's why they got away with it until now. Sumeru was the first time they used a region that is predominantly dark and White washed it. And Natlan directly pulled art, imagery and names from Black and Brown people from Mexico, to Hawaii to African people, one of the White characters they showed off is named after a Black god, so don't do that. You're trying to defend something that is not cute. I'm stating my opinion as a Hispanic person who's in the group of people having their culture appropriated for Natlan and I'm also no longer playing Genshin because I find this stuff gross and I won't support companies taking our culture while flat out excluding us because they want to be racist.
@@mismismism Can you just stop being disingenuous? You and i both know what their doing is not a simple "ctrl+c ctrl+v" they give their own spin on it and add in their own stuff to create something new. Name a game that doesn't take inspiration from a culture. Like how are you suppose to create a entirely new culture on your own with out taking some inspiration be it intentionally or not. Genshin or any fiction world for that matter isn't suppose to represent a real culture. So why are you treating it as if their "taking" it when their not even trying to in the first place? their not masquerading as Mexico nor any real country for that matter. They even said so themself "This is a work of fiction. Unless otherwise indicated, all the names, characters, businesses, places, events and incidents in this book are either the product of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental" or smth similar to this.
@@godkiller2818 I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you. If they're gonna lift things from a culture with minimal changes then they, you and anyone else, have no right to tell us we can't be upset that they chose to cut out the actual people from the cultures like always. The shit is tired and frustrating. Do whatever you want but I'm not supporting this B.S. and I have a right to put my opinion out there.
You can try and spin it however you want, the region is not original fiction. They know exactly what they are doing.
@@mismismism I guess you're not gonna try and disprove any of my point and just say they did minimal changes because you said so then... The region isn't original fiction because NOTHING is original fiction.
And the fact that Natlan is just Sumeru 2.0 imo
When they said Nation of War I was NOT expecting this environment that’s been teased so far.
Genshin takes the culture but ignores the people, and players seem to just ignore it or just straight up defend it saying its "a fantasy game" or "its just a game" Like yeah, but imagine someone used your culture and straigt up made everyone black. I garuntee for a fact players would be up in arms. If its a fantasy world why do they feel the need to take from real life regions you might as well just make your own!?
They've only added one "black" character, but honestly I think they only added her because
A. They already released her design and couldn't exactly change her up too much
or
B. She's a token black character meant to shut people up and be used as an example when fans defend Genshins bullshit. It'll just be "Oh hey look they added a black character you can stop complaining now"
It just doesnt make any sense, and theyre limiting what they can do with designs by only making them pale or tan.
@@ricecola9609 completely agree with everything you said, it’s very disappointing how afraid they are to accurately represent the people but are completely fine taking everything else about their culture,religion, and tradition and implementing them into their game to make money. It’s incredibly scummy and shows they only care about what brings them the most money and not giving a true accurate depiction of the culture and its people which is what most of us really want
Dehya feels like the B so much. Her kit is the worse kit in the game, immediately put in the standard banner to make everyone forget about her as much as possible.
Did they just straight up put my country into the game with nothing new added in? If yes then i would mad. But if no then i couldn't care less, since it isn't meant to represent my culture so why would i be mad? I would only be mad if the writing is bad or lazy. Also could we stop being disingenuous and accept that genshin will add in something new excusive to the fictional place called Natlan and not just copy and pasted in Africa/native America. Like did you guys think that Sumeru doesn't have it own story to tell? And that Sumeru is suppose to "represent" the middle east? Like the weird green giant chicken and giant robots shooting lasers at you and go "yep that's suppose to represent the middle east alright". Do you honestly believe that there as giant civil war happening in Japan like in Inazuma, as inazuma is suppose to "represent" japan?. There's a BIG difference between inspiration and representation.
besides the fact of people not being represented and the names from indiginous cultures placed on white people looking ridiculous, as a white genshin player i'd love for a more diverse cast to play with. i don't even play fortnite but i've seen their black characters and they're so well designed and look so much fun to play with, while in genshin we only get copy-pasted pale people :/ the geo eremite is one of the coolest designed characters in genshin (way cooler than the pyro archon, her design was honestly so disappointing), and it's not even playable????
bc of genshins lore and theorists i've learnt so much about some religions and cultures, i've gotten interested in them to the point of constantly reading about it in my free time, and i can't understand how they can appreciate these cultures but not the people behind it :/ i definitely agree with you, and i really hope other genshin cc's will not just skip over it and actually talk about it too
@@aaronchavez2115taking it out of context to benefit your own disillusioned opinion doesnt make your case any better. you do know why he said that right
Hoyo is capping through their teeth when their automated CS response claims stuff like the game doesn't "depict/relate to real events." Like... Inazuma's isolationist "Sakoku" policy? Its "Vision Hunt Decree" clearly alluding to the Sword Hunts/Katanagari (especially Toyotomi's, where these confiscated weapons would be molded into a giant Buddha statue)?? Hello???
It's so bs man. They only commit when it's convenient for them
It's not just the skin tone... It's also the facial features. You can darken the skin tone and it still be off because it just looks like a European with dark skin. For instance, you can't do that with Asian people because they tend to have different kinds of eyes and face structure.
Dude.
Have you seen Inazuma/Liyue? XD
None of the Liyue/Inazuma characters look Asian. They use the same models/skin colors for them the Mondstadt characters use. They eyes are huge, and not represent the typical Asian eye shape any way or form.
And btw none of the Mondstadt/Fonatine characters look like white people either. XD
These are just very stylized basicand idelaized depiction of humans, which are not accurate in any shape or form. Have you every saw people with eyes like Hu Tao, or Diluc?
Genshin is a fnatsy game. They did not promised us any accurate faithful representation of any culture/nation. They did not prmised us any anatomically//biologycally correct looking characters either.
If you were ok with Liyue/Inazuma characters looking nothing like Asians, why do you throw a tantrum now when Natlan characters doesn't look like Mesoamericans? XD
@@pepita2437I completely understand what you mean with this. You’re right the genshin characters do look like stylized depictions of humans which is on brand for an anime style game but with that in mind it wouldn’t be hard to just darken the skin tones but keep everything else the same. I see throughout the comment section some are saying they expect certain features but to me it doesn’t really make sense because it wouldn’t fit into the art style of the game.
And also I want to point out that -usually anime or donghua style games or media based in Asian countries don’t typically have the features or skin tones appropriate for that region despite the fact that the creators themselves are Asian. Look at apothecary diaries, mha, danganronpa, your lie in April, a will eternal, etc. The anime and donghua style is kinda just associated with Japan or China respectively no matter the features or skin tones. So it’s like “yeah this character has huge unnaturally colored eyes, a small nose and mouth, and pale skin but this is an anime so it must be based in Japan” (or China most likely if it’s a donghua)
@@edwardp.2481 We usually think it's based in japan not because of the art style but because most stories with the anime art style take places in japan, other stuff like them just saying it's japan and most japanese author writes stories in japan anyways since it's easier to write what you know. Their are still stories with the anime art style that isn't in japan. like in fate/strange fake that take places in the U.S or to your eternity that takes places across the world.
Tldr: most people don't assume it's japan just because of the art style but mainly because of other obvious factors.
@@edwardp.2481' And also I want to point out that -usually anime or donghua style games or media based in Asian countries don’t typically have the features or skin tones appropriate for that region despite the fact that the creators themselves are Asian. '
This was my whole point. If CN don't care to portray their own people as they typically look, why people want them to portray Natlan characters a certain way.
They made teh game with sertain eastethic is mind, which are no means accurate/realistic.
This si why I don't have problem with Genshin characters not 'representing' different 'races' as far as skin color goes.
@@godkiller2818 I get you, I was going to go further but i didn’t want to make my response longer than it already was but yes I agree. I should have been more clear with that.
Thank you for speaking up about this when other content creators have remained in silence.
Just a few hours ago Corina (Paimon’s EN VA) recently posted a tweet stating that they, and other voice actors have been trying to communicate this problem during their time within the studio, but Hoyo still refuses to acknowledge the issue.
So it’s clear to me that they KNOW what they’re doing, and will continue to do so regardless of what we say or do.
Ever since version 2.2, I have been consistently giving them feedback, even going as far as to email them upon Sumeru’s release, but not once have they addressed my concerns, so I’ve given up hope.
I feel that the best action to take is to simply stop supporting them altogether. And although it’s not a solution, there’s not much we can do at this point in time.
And I’ve also come to realize that a lot of players are colourist and/or racist, so yeah. It’s a sad reality.
PS.
Candace was based off of Queen Kandake - empress of Ethiopia, a beautiful black woman with such rich and dark skin and yet they STILL refused to darken Candace’s skin appropriately. If you compare the two side-by-side, Candace is nearly paper white next to Kandake. Felt like a slap in the face for me.
My comment isn’t showing for some reason, sorry if you can’t see it but I’ll try to write a simplified version and hope it doesn’t get blocked again. I think with the release of natlan the game will be booming better than ever unfortunately and many in these communities don’t care about this at all. It’s always “who cares about representation” until it’s a white character being replaced by a black one and suddenly there’s outrage and people calling the game “woke”. These companies realize they can do whatever they want and so they don’t care to listen to us in the west since the only audience they care about are the Chinese and Japanese, nothing will ever change and people trying to downplay the issue simply don’t realize or care enough to think long enough why it may rub others the wrong way. Also that thing about Candace I had no idea about, sad to hear there’s even more they messed up that I didn’t already know
@@_Gabimaru It’s even more perplexing since Chinese players really liked Dehya, and she’s one of the characters with actual melanin, albeit her banner didn’t do so well (due to her kit), it’s definitely something to think about.
Hoyo is clearly misguided if they think characters of colour won’t sell well, and it’s their fault that Dehya didn’t have high sales in the first place (standard banner character, bad kit, clunky gameplay, etc). Similarly with Cyno, since there’s quite a few issues with his kit and gameplay too.
IF they were testing to see whether or not characters with dark skin tones would sell well BEFORE getting permission to create characters with an even darker complexion, they did an atrocious job at it. You can’t expect good results with minimal effort put into it.
I’d sincerely like to know why they continue to do this. Is it racism? Prejudice? Or something else.
@@Sylvia-yp2dxyour making me think of a conspiracy that maybe they flopped with Dehya kit so they can paint this narrative 🤔
The amount of post I saw asking to get her Fixed 😔 it’s the tone deafness for me 😤
@@lavonosa Sorry, could you clarify whom you’re referring to?
Never mind, I was half-asleep, you meant other players right? lol sorry.
@@Sylvia-yp2dx lol sorry not sure which they you asking but will try to rephrase. they "company" made a bad kit on purpose to have the narrative you mention. ( black/dark characters don't sell)
The community asked for Dehya to be updated or fixed but hoyo never listened and moved on with their day. like the responses was so disrespectful imo. LIke she was made broken .
It's literally just a game. A GAME for goodness sake.
I feel the same. OMG I'm so dissapointed in the pyro "Archon". and I pulled cyno because he looks like me too. Sumeru was a dissapointment and now natlan also crushed my hope and I don't expect dark characters in snezhnaya either.
You see, i can only excuse the archon if she is an outside entity. Kind if like a colonist god or body appointed by celestia. (Though 100% hoyo would never)
A majority of the characters that are tanish are brown are SO BADLY BUILT i feel that its done on purpose.
I will not be dropping money for Natlan
I genuinely hate the lack of different skin tones in Genshin not even because of some underlying colorism within the devs (which, as an Asian, I know is very possible, because the beauty standards here really want light skin colors), but because it's just making every character look the same. My first reaction to Mualani's design was "She looks like Nilou." It's genuinely so boring to look at what looks like the same person in a different costume. At least a different skin tone will bring something to the table if they never diverge from the 5 body types.
Dehya was basically the last straw for me to quit the game 2 years ago, and sucks to see nothing is changing.
hmm well I just hope that Hoyo’s current Natlan Characters are just the tip of the iceberg. Hoping for other releases of Natlan Characters has POC and diversity on them tho.
In hi3 (another game from hoyo) a character named carol. From what i was told, carol is POC (people of color) it was said that she hated her skin color
In honkai starrail (game from hoyo)
A character name arlan. He was one of the best character in the early development of the game. From what i was told he was able to heal himself with his 4th eidolon or constellation. But after some update he was downgrade and now was the weakest character in hsr.
In genshin impact. There is this racist lamp in the main dessert world quest. And a sumeru poc npc gone into the fountain to get a new life in fountain. i forgot what it was about but the single line from paimon that sounded so racist i distantly remembered.
Hoyoverse had alot of Controvesies on different games. But they're were so small that they can shove it to the side and shoving all the content down the players throat. (Mind you the content that they were shoving was boring, repeated and lame rewards that bearly make a single 10 pull. A bear minimum reward)
There is alot of pale characters and less black and brown color. Heck cyno, keaya, xiyan and other poc characters are pale or ligher black/brown.
I really hope that they heard the voices and adress it, change what NEEDS to be change and apologize instead of ignoring those voices.
I really like all the games that hoyos makes but these decision are just so in furiating and sucks ashh that it ultimatly destroies the whole games, jobs, (va's, developers etc. Etc.) and the new gamer's perspective, expectations and its moral or ethics in irl or digital
Natlan is a missed opportunity to inject some much needed diversity into the game. Genshin's roster is to homogeneous.
As you said, nobody will give a shit about this once 5.0 drops, so I am not going to waste my breath.
Although there is no denying that Hoyoverse is a colourist company. Anyone who denies this is coping.
I’m more tan than most of them and I am a LITERAL white person. 😂
rn it feels they just allergic to make darker skin characters... n even so, most stupid players still ok with that.
another based Gabimaru take
(I'm very sorry that this comment is off topic, but before I speak... Thank you for making a video about this, and being very pleasant and informative.)
An argument I have seen a lot, more so in the past because I don't engage in online spaces much anymore, was "It doesn't matter what skin colour, gender, culture they have, you can still relate to them." And I believed that to be true long ago, and I do still believe it to be true today. However, I don't think anyone can or should deny that these attributes had an affect on their lives. The person you are right now, depending on let's say, your race, is going to be a different person if you were born as that other race. If you wish to deny this too, then I implore you to look at your parents. Since you are now this different race, then of course that means the race of your parent would be different. Do you really think that, given the time we are in now, your parent would have the same exact experience if they too were a different race?
Something that a lot of people love to say is, that times are different, and I agree they are different. Representation and the like *has* gotten better, but it wasn't always like this. It wasn't like this for your parents (er most likely, idk it depends on how old you are lol). Anyway, because of the different experience of your family, they will very likely raise you differently.
Prejudice is taught, and your first teacher is more than likely your parent.
A character who is the same colour as you, or perhaps the same (or equivalent if we wanna speak on fictional stuff) race as you, has a higher chance of being a character that you connect with.
Uh I kinda forgot what else I wanted to say lol
Edit: THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THE DARK SKINNED ENEMIES HOOOOOOOOLY IT MAKES ME GENUINELY SO SAD IT HURTS. I have a VERY strong opinion on one of the most common enemies in the early game. I hope you know which enemy I'm referring to because I hate saying or even thinking about how they make me feel. This is also a bit embarrassing but, I understand that it is a very common trope for a character who has white skin being seen as pure and good (and feminine bcus mfw almost all hetero couples in Japanese media have the dude with darker skin than the girl). But listen, listen sweetie honey cutie whatever you wanna be called- That's an outdated way of thinking. You know what else is outdated? Slavery, misogyny, homophobia, ableism, so on and so forth. We can accept these things as being outdated, let's move on from dark skin = bad, white skin = good as well :')
And let’s not forget what they did to poor Dehya, I swear she was brown when I met her in her quest and her release trailer had her looking like a whole ass white person 😢
As an African American I do believe that it’s some what justified to be annoyed or outright angry at Hoyo. For example in Sumeru NPCS have very mixed skin tone and names that don’t even fit how they look.
But, the fact of the matter is, even many POC don’t care about this situation. Not only that I don’t think being represented my a community that openly sexualizes minors is the best thing. And though I may not speak for all POC, neither do all the non POCS that seem to care the most about this situation. Yet they fight a fight that even majority of the “victims” aren’t even fighting.
And if you want a great example of this watch “Students vs. Mexicans: Cultural Appropriation,” if you don’t want to; basically and man dress in Hispanic clothing asks non Hispanic students want they think of his outfit and almost all say that it’s cultural appropriation, but then he asks actual Hispanic people what they think and all of them say it’s completely fine.
And Genshin and Hoyo as a whole seem quite endearing to POCS and their culture to, recreating their style, to creating names that derive from there, to adapting cultural music, to adapting cultural traditions, to dances such as Nilous. And yet no one remembers nor recognizes these things, it’s as if all you want to see is hate in this world. Countless amounts of effort put into all of that and yet your stuck on pigments. So I don’t think a company that truly wants to take a countries culture and run with it would put all that effort into all of that listed above.
And if you look at all of there other ips like hrs that they have not a single POC in that game. Tho Genshin may only have 5 POC even if it isn’t enough they still tried to represent us. Not to mention they didn’t have any which they really could’ve done.
And overall it’s a stupid gacha game not some deeply rooted evil game looking to suck all the cooler out and Egypt, West Africa, and Latin America. And losing sleep because a flipping green little girl isn’t darker than the night sky and she isn’t as black as I am in a fictional universe is insane. Like the game is on the verge of ending, you should atleast enjoy your time and not waste it complaining about skin tones of some random character.
Thank you for listening to my yap >:) And have a great day.
And also Hoyo will just never care bc this issue is mostly rooted in EN community, and Hoyo rlly only gives CN community their way( example Zhongli and first Anniversary ) so ngl non of us will never get our way with them 🗿
@@user-qw5sr5bi2p in the video I mentioned that they do everything perfectly but represent accurate skin tone so no I’m not trying to blindly hate and I’m not not recognizing everything that goes into the music and region design I’m simply sick of them being afraid to include even one black character in the game. Im not trying to force representation in every region just the ones that are based off of indigenous people and their culture which are sumeru and natlan. And for me personally it’s not only about representation I’m just sick of every character being completely white, not even real asians are as white as the characters in these games I just want to see some variety for once
@@_Gabimaru Yeah fair enough, variety would be good, but yet again at least they have more POC unlike Hrs’s one, Wuwa’s none, ZZZ’s one, Punishing Gray Raven’s one,and Honkai impact 3rd’s one. But I do respect and understand your opinion.
Thank you for your comment, and I agree.
People like to forget that anime has a certain aestethic. I wonder the reason these people weren't throwing a tantrum when Inazuma/Liyue came out, and suprise/suprise, Liyue/Inazuman characters didn't look Asian. XD Hoyo used the same models/skin/hair colors Mondstadt characters used.
Genshin did not promised us any accurate/faithful representation of nay culture/nation. Teyvat is a fictional world.
@@_Gabimaru There are black characters in the game. Kaeya has very dark skin (as far as ingame variety goes), just like Iansan has. ;P But that is not enough for you is it? Because they don't have the qualities you associate with 'black people' so they don't count in your mind. ;P
You're not talking about skin color, despite your insitence, you want 'representation'.
This is one of the reasons that I quit playing genshin, amongst many others. But like if people have all these problems with games like genshin, HSR, pokemon and OW, why do they keep playing/spending money on em?
Because most liberals live in an a echo chamber, and don;t realized that they are just a very small fraction of the people who live on this palnet.
You can leave, and do so if you don't agree with what Genshin does. But it won't chnage th fact that billions of chinese, Japanese, Philippines, Europeans etc will still pay millions for the great content Genshin provides. :)
@@pepita2437lmao I KNEW u were gonna say something abt "those dang liberals" 😂😂😂
Ororon is the character's actual name in en, while the cn team did amazing and actually kept his name as "Olorun".
Its so disgusting seeing how they misspelled his name.
Whitewashing him wasn't enough? Now we also have to change names.
"Oh but this is our character, why would we name our character "Olorun" when our character is actually named "Ororon", i mean it's our character"
Our character this, our character that, if u want to make ur own character dont take ispiration from real life people, events and culture.
How did the Chinese dev nail the name while the English one just f*ed it all up?
So disgusting and disappointing.
So there never been a fictional character who takes inspiration from a real person before? Every single fiction character that has ever been created be it in genshin or otherwise is inspired by real life people or are inspired by real life culture like cyno *cough cough* yet nobody is made at him when he's a original character? Us humans are extremely bad at coming up with things on our own, why do you think there are some common design motif no matter the game? Ororon* isn't suppose to be "Olorun". He's suppose to be his own character with his own goals, morale and personality. Why are you treating him as if he's Olorun? He's inspired by him yet but they're not meant to be the same character. They even said so with the disclaimer "This is a work of fiction. Unless otherwise indicated, all the names, characters, businesses, places, events and incidents in this book are either the product of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental".
well, chinese or japanese people aren’t white either, but in genshin they all are white. i don’t think that this is a relevant discussion because it’s just a chinese game. they simply won’t change anything because, well, the most loyal chinese fanbase won’t buy those characters. to be honest, i don’t really think that this game needs to have darker characters. there’s no one who actually lives in the desert, except dehya or candace and they are tanned. plus, the sky in teyvat is fake so is the sun, so there’s no need for melanin. yeah, they implement different cultures, but it’s just an anime game. we don’t see people looking like that in real life. i think that mihoyo just chose to have one race so there would be no conflicts based on ethnic differences/controversies based on this. my culture will probably be erased in snezhnaya, key elements represented as russian. do i care? not really, because it’s an unrealistic anime gacha game
@@bibbi407 thanks for your completely useless opinion that ignores the fact that the majority of Chinese and Japanese are white and not black, the indigenous tribe their taking inspiration from is nearly-completely black people that is the difference. All countries you mentioned for comparison are countries with a majority populous of white people, where you would EXPECT white characters, while regions based on indigineous tribes and coloured people you’d expect people of COLOUR and not everyone to be WHITE. That is the point I’m trying to make, I am cuban making me Hispanic however my skin colour is WHITE, it is no different for all these other countries being a different ethnicity doesn’t equate to your race, there are black Cubans and white Cubans just how there are white Chinese/japanese and black Chinese/japanese. That’s why no one complains about characters being white when representing other countries with a majority populous of white people and that is why you see people complain when everyone is white in a region based off of indigenous tribes who are majorly black, the only reason this is even a debate is cause of how ignorant some people are in not being able to ever realize this.
@@_Gabimarufirst of all, don't be so hostile there's no reason to get THIS at an opinion, you can be mad at the company,lack of diversity but there's NO reason to get mad at someone giving it from their perspective. Secondly, I don't speak for and I shouldn't but in my perspective its not that deep BECAUSE hoyo really does mess alot of cultures, even outside of indigenous ones that aren't Chinese specific, Monsdstat is an amalgamation of different European culture
When someone looks at Monsdstat for the first time,they don't think "Oh, that's Germany!" No they think its some fantasy land, even Fonatine,they won't pinpoint it to be Mainly french inspired they most likely might think "oh A more modern fantasy land that has a side of steam punk!"
My conclusion is, don't be calling other's opinion "useless" or "trash" when it could be a genuine opinion about their perspective which isn't obviously offensive 😐
@@Normalperso2833 i can speak however I want on whatever topic I want, this is someone who thinks ethnicity equates to race and comparing countries filled with white people to indigenous cultures filled with black people which are 2 completely different things. And comparing mondstadt to regions that are most obviously inspired by indigenous tribes and their religion is pure stupidity, anyone can tell from a first glance mondstadt is a region based off of white people but the moment you step into sumeru and Natlan you can instantly tell it’s a completely different culture and area, they even have their own tribes and a desert for crying out loud
@@Normalperso2833the fantasy land excuse doesn't work when theyre using names such as kinich (maya sun god) and mavuika (maori fire deity) for their white characters. if theyre going for a fantasy land-esque look then make it original and separate.
@@_Gabimaru and what gave you the reason to think that i don’t see the difference between race and ethnicity? my whole point was about how similar models are. no liyue character has slanted eyes, higher cheekbones or other distinctive features. all of the models are the same and like??? you can’t just change a colour of a model and expect it to pass as poc. i personally think that demanding simple recolour from mihoyo wouldn’t be enough, because it won’t really change anything about the diversity in this game. in the end of a day, it’s just a chinese anime game, surely it would cling to chinese understanding of beauty because this is what their main fanbase tends to like
I play a lot of games, but, it's kinda ironic when a farm simulator game has more representation than Genshin ever has in its 4 years (coral island). And, no, Hoyo won't listen. They've been deaf for years. Ppl keep paying them money even w/ stingy rewards. They won't listen unless it affects their sales.
Asking for diversity in a hoyo game is like asking for Endgame in Genshin for the last 4 years.
Star Rail is a space scifi game. Compare it with games of similar setting/genre like Mass Effect and KOTOR. So called alien species are just white/asian anime characters with cat ears.
SO REAL
I’m middle eastern
Our god is a cute elf girl
I don’t give a shit
People are far too attached to these games and wanting to “see themselves”
@@mites7 that’s cool but hundreds of thousands do give a shit including me so I’m gonna talk about it, it’s not about being too attached wanting some diversity in a region inspired by indigenous tribes after dealing with only white people for 4 years isn’t being attached it’s just getting bored of every character being the same skin colour and realizing this was our last chance to get something new just for them to flop and make everyone white as snow again
Also THANK YOU for talking about this. We should all be talking about it and making our own edits to show the characters we could’ve had. Omg and the enemies thing PISSES ME OFF. I almost quit because of it when I was a new player!!
When cookie run has more diversity than genshin lmao😂
Finally, someone talked about it, I know that everyone is very happy with the Natlan update, I am aswell quite excited to try it out. As much as I understand the circumstance of this game since it is made in China, and Chinese are loyal to Mihoyo before it became Hoyoverse and we know that the market base in china is large compared to Global, so they must maintain this type of community. Colorism is a very diverge topic, someone can specify if it was about racism/racial discrimination depending on what people may think, for me personally, it wouldn't be a problem if only if they didn't represent each region as a country, but I will not treat it as a racial discrimination because judging from their past situation from Chinese, Mihoyo cannot always make their own decision because China is also have this part of being communist, so they decided to make Hoyoverse to make events catering Global/JP/CN but unbiased treatment. So, with that means, this colorism is a market strategy they want to protect their market value, if a character didn't pass Chinese expectation, they will lose revenue. For us (GLOBAL) we can always understand the situation, no matter what they throw on us, even if we're mad about it, we still play it like it doesn't harm. We don't know how Chinese think, so yeah....
Hoyo does not 'represent', and they have never promised us any accurate/faithful representation of any culture/people/country. What they do is they take a lots of cultural/mythological/historycal elements and mix those together to create their own fantasy world.
They absolutely did not 'represent each nation as a country' LOL. Fonatine tho is called a French name, and has a lots of French easter eggs/influences, it is amalgamation of several diffenerent European countries, with very different cultures (France, Britain, Italy, Greece, romania)
Fontains' represenation of France is just as accurate as Natlan's representation of the Aztec/other Mesoamerican cultures. Teyvat is a fanatsy word, idk why you'all expect it to 'reflect the world you live in'. (which is btw , what you see of the world is an incredibly, unbelievably small little piece of it, and wanting a fictional work to portray the world yexactly as ou see it as is incredibly narcissistic)
If you know East Asia culture a bit you will know that they have favoritism for lighter skin. It's basically their common beauty standard.
If you can have strong opinion about skin color of video game character then so can they.
I'm here simply to state the fact that those EA people who like lighter skin make up majority of player who play and pay Hoyoverse.
They test the water with Kaeya then Xinyan. Now it seems like Dehya, Candace, and Sethos are as brown as they willing to go.
Keep voicing you opinions, more power to you.
what makes me demoralized is some of the comments on the internet responding to this topic. there are people out there who are convinced that this complaint about a lack of skin diversity is either a troll or somebody forcing a political agenda on someone else. it's disheartening and people need to grow up.
Well, it would be nice if the pressure from western fandom could change the habits of East-Asian gaming companies, but I'm afraid we have to keep dreaming.
I feel like the designs are still mainly specifically targeted at Chinese audiences and their beauty standards, so characters have to be white or "just tan" to fit that trope, so the company won't have issues with their main income source. Also with the body type thing, China likes skinny people in general, pretty boys, you get it. Just my take tho.
the thing is, theres been plenty of chinese games that still represent cultures alongside diverse skin colors very well. take reverse: 1999 for an example. cn players themselves have also had strong opinions about the lack of dark skinned characters since sumeru, the forums were very vocal on it. i personally believe players value a better kit rather than the actual skin color of a character.
@@soemfiI mean yeah,but in the majority of Asian made media,there will mostly be pale people/characters
@@Normalperso2833 key word is "mostly", they're able to. and that doesnt excuse the whitewashing of cultural deities. referencing the names of them directly in your character only to make it some white guy just comes off wrong. if other asian game companies can do it i dont think hoyoverse should be safe from that criticism, even if they do nothing.
agree with you, hoyo is probably making decisions based off profit. they invested a large sum into a nuclear power plant,, i dont think it's a stretch to assume they contract market researchers
I want them to fix the dialogue inconsistencies in the prologue and stop calling Aether "the princess", but I know that's never going to happen since there is no money in it. It's all about the money, and Hoyoverse knows how to make all the money. If they aren't doing something, it's because it's not profitable. What is profitable are the characters they've released so far, who so happen to be primarily white. Granted, if anyone could make an awesome darker skinned character, it would be Mihoyo, but they must've already considered and dismissed the possibility. If you want change, you must either be that change and create your own game that embodies your visions or speak with your wallet, by which I mean a couple millions of dollars might persuade them.
it's cap to say that dark skin characters aren't profitable and I'm tired of this narrative being trotted out whenever ppl bring up valid criticism of basically any media that "dares" to have dark skin characters, or various other minorities, represented in it. there's no metric to base that assumption on b/c the few that are in the game aren't that great from a meta perspective, and they haven't released any truly great characters that are dark skinned, so you literally can't say whether a dark skin character would or wouldn't be profitable. plus, it seems like the dark skin characters that were teased in previous patches were fairly popular BEFORE ppl found out about their less than ideal kits (why is xinyan physical and not pyro, why doesn't her damage scale with the same stat that powers the strength of her shield, or has a constellation to convert that dmg scaling, why is dehya kinda shitty before c1 increases her dmg based on hp and even then she's still not that great even though I love her design and actively use her, why is her kit so gd clunky!).
like, if furina or neuvillete were, for some reason or another a dark skin character (it's not like there aren't any black/brown ppl in fucking france/europe let's be real lol), would she be ANY less valuable or meta? no. therefore her sales would've likely been just as good, if not better. we don't have data to verify this one way or another, but it's definitely not helping them, which MIGHT not be the worst thing? b/c shitty gacha practices frfr.
beidou, a fucking pirate more or less, would have been such a cool character to be dark skin, and for the historically accurate assholes, there is a history of black/brown ppl that did travel by ship very often. that's how things like dyes and spices ended up in places like europe. those ppl also have settled in the countries they found pleasant. it's just such a silly notion to only have white/light skinned ppl in these games, regardless of it being made in china or some other east asian country.
they *can* do better yet they choose not to.
but also, profitability shouldn't dictate what kinds of characters are put in the game if they want to make a world that is *somewhat* reflective of the one we all live in, which they are clearly doing. AND they know how to make dark skin characters when they want to make an antagonist sooo...
I partially agree with most of your points, but Hoyoverse is the one making billions with their creative ideas. Their world seems to be working perfectly fine and they probably won't hear the opinion of the foreign minority.
I think we're in a situation where both sides are right. The game should have a more balanced ethnic roster, but the creators should be able to make the game they want to make.
you were saying there are black characters that dosent fit the setting. i was wondering if you have any exsamples of this or if it was pandering, cause i don't really think a black person can ever "not fit the setting"
a literal non problem especially because SBS and garbage like that exists now so just play games where SBS is involved if skin color is so important to you.
The concept of (culture representation) is so weird to me.
And I'm a Saudi
I can't imagine because someone is from the desert. He should be a darker man wearing a thoup
for what!?
For me to say (heeyyy he look just like meeee) like whattt??
It's ok to have all the characters white or all of them black or anything
Why are sooo fixating on this matter?!
Ps; I'm an ex genshin player
But i never understand why this whole diversity thing IS A THING!!
Olorun, one of the characters revealed in the natlan trailer is supposed to be a supreme deity in the yoruba religion and he’s completely black, in the game they made him white and a twink. Natlan is supposed to be based on indigenous people yet only showcase a small amount while everyone else is either completely white or slightly tan. When you take from other peoples culture and implement it into your games region and purposely leave out their skin tone and make them all white it looks very bad and doesn’t feel like an accurate representation at all. It’s getting old making every character white or slightly tan on purpose cause of fear they may sell less. It’s not even like people are asking for black characters in every region we just wanted them for sumeru and natlan since those regions best portray indigenous people yet hoyo won’t even give us that much, it’s an obvious agenda these companies are trying to push by whitewashing every character when they aren’t supposed to be for more money.
Why is it wrong to fixate on it? Answer that an you'll see your own problem.
@_Gabimaru i just remember how i laughed so hard when i saw Netflix showing Cleopatra as a black woman.
It just hit me when i was reading ur comment. You're right.
It could be identified as a history falsification of a culture because it's purposefully making it inaccurate and wrong.
Thank you for clearing the issue for me.
@crowing3886 i was gonna say because it doesn't change anything in anybodies life. However, i was proven wrong
imo Genshin won't make characters with a darker skin color because they don't care, because chinese people don't care and the game is exclusively for them, it seems.
hoyo will do what works the most in china, and the skin color and proper cultural representation is none of their concerns, no matter how many times we complain cus they NEVER listen to us, they never listen to the other big part of the community and it's frustraiting and infuriating.
This is a stupid vilifying claim. Countless games like Arknights and Reverse:1999 have great POC representation, and they’re made by chinese companies, and well received by fans. Hoyo is literally at fault.
why are u lying bro? u say you pulled for cyno for his skin tone, but he s not built. he's benched at 23, no artifacts, no weapon, no nothing. but u want darker characters? you're not even using the ones you have. maybe genshin is not for you.
This is a weird comment when everyone knows that majority of the tan characters in Genshin would need extreme maintenance to be even decently well besides kaeya because of their shitty kits. Just because someone is criticizing something doesn’t mean they hate it? And if we continue to ignore it and not discuss issues like this, then there will be no change. “Go somewhere else if you don’t like it.” “Well it’s not your game so you can leave if it makes you mad,” don’t you think that’s just weird? Just because something doesn’t affect YOU, because clearly the lack of diversity in a game that’s an emulation of real life things doesn’t, will not mean it doesn’t bother the people they’re trying to make a representation out of. Step out of your warped and privileged opinion and think outside of yourself, it will bring you enlightenment and new knowledge. If people kept leaving things the way they were without criticism, without protest or without speaking up about it, the world would be in shambles. If YOU don’t like the points that people are bringing up about sensitive topics, I beg, ask yourself why it makes you uncomfortable in the first place. This comment seems like rage bait, so I’m gonna leave this here.
Given the same logic, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE when JAPAN do it with the gods and goddesses, a king/queen, Scientists and other famous people IRL ? Putting big tiddies and stuff, making black character white, swapping genders etc... I didn't see you guys yapping on twitter about this.
Take note, Genshin is a part of HONKAIVERSE. Characters, especially the core ones have their alternate versions of it. (Eg. SHP-Kiana, Ei -Raiden Mei, current Pyro Archon - Himeko)
Genshin only takes some inspiration from our world and is not a replica of it 1x1 nor it is a accurate representation of the real thing, they're just using those inspiration for a baseline of world building but tweaks it for their own story, similar to how Marvel Uses Thor or the Norse mythology for its characters and baseline of the story but it's nowhere near from representing the real norse mythology or being a accurate representation of Norse Mythology.
@@ArthurMorgan.1863 this isn’t only about representation I didn’t make this video trying to be a social justice warrior I’m just sick of there being no variety and every character is completely white or slightly tan, it gets to a point where it feels weird being in regions based around indigenous people and all you see are white people and furries and not even a hint of black people who the culture is based off of. The Chinese community was in outrage when zhongli (the archon representing china) was weak and so they were in outrage when he released and changed his kit, it’s proof mihoyo only gives a shit about Chinese fanbase and representation when it comes to the Chinese and no one else. Also your comparing mythology with real religions and culture, sure I wish cyno was darker but I wasn’t speaking for him I was speaking for sumeru and natlan in general
uhm I feel like we all the reason here? Black characters or characters of color are just aren't popular in CN? want me to give an example? just look up the infamous cn detergent add where a black dude was put into a washing machine and he came out like a perfect chinese man. All of the representation and cultural appropriation aside, think about this logically for a second? would you make a product that you think won't sell that well? NO, neither will any company. It is stupid to expect companies, who are driven only by the thought of profit, for cultural diversity. Another example, Remember how Target did a big event on how they are supportive of LGBTQ+ and had designed products showing their faith, a week later those were pulled off the shelf because they didn't sell well. Another example Google let go like 80% of it's diversity hirings i think after the beck and call for more cultural diversity in the tech Industry was over. Google a self proclaimed supported of diversity didn't need as much of it after the hue and cry was over.....strange.
Coming back to genshin, most of the characters of color well "color" are like what dehya? a standard banner character and candance who is a 4 star that's it? they were mostly throw away character going by their kit and "sell" value. As harsh as it may sound it is the reality of the capitalistic world, what is something gonna sell is what it's worth.
I am brown btw, I am not as bothered by not having with appropriate representation because i understand the above. Money speaks, that's all. Was not my intention to make this political but it's just the reality of things.
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target is a cowardly company that capitulated to a very loud and *small* minority of hateful bigots. it was NOT about sales, and it never has been.