Is Scott Cawthon LYING About the FNAF Talbert Files?
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Recently there's been a bit of drama in the FNAF community on Twitter ( X ) and Reddit that brought Scott Cawthon out of the woodwork to make multiple statements about it. What are The Talbert Files and what do they actually mean for the lore? Someone has to be lying about them
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So uh. What do you guys think about the whole Talbert Files situation? I'm inclined to believe Scott, though honestly the book is non-canon either way so does it even really matter? 😅
It’s ridiculous to how people can make false claims, and it ends up roping in the creator to clarify the issue. Scott has done and been through enough, which makes me glad he’s retired from making games, because this is just stupid. 🙄🤦♂️
Scott is not lying, people already made fake emails of Scott so it would not be strange for that to be the case
I think these people who claim Scott is Lied is off there pills 💊 😂
Pretty much
canon, but different continuity XD
i don’t think Scott is lying, but even if he is, isn’t the main point that The Talbert Files are SCRAPPED IDEAS? Why then, are we leaning on scrapped ideas for any sort of proof? It seems about as sane as saying the real lore solutions are in Scott’s original drafts for the FNaF Movie script.
Exactly
I mean they could have concepts that can reveal everything about parts of the lore but it’d be impossible to distinguish between stuff that was completely scrapped and stuff that wasn’t without knowing what’s really canon anyway
Because the lore in this series is so obscure convoluted and horribly presented that people are literally deconstructing every single piece of writing written by Scott hoping to find even a scrap of lore. This is one of those instances where he realizes that maybe withholding major pieces of the story to drag this series out as much as possible causing an obsessive and ravenous attitude in your fan base isn't quite a good idea sometimes.
This is coming from someone who enjoys the series. The story has either been solved already or never will be solved. It's just a ploy to keep up interest. Eventually people will give up.
@@literaryloser4470 respectfully, the game is about the lore, if it wasn’t basically an arg then it wouldn’t be a thing cause the arg is what makes it interesting. Yeah it drags the game out but that’s cause it is the game. You can’t just watch the start of an arg then call it bad cause you don’t feel like actually going through and doing it. Youre right about what they’re doing but the point of the whole thing is what they’re doing
Exactly, there’s no reason to be making a big deal about it.
"Creator doesnt know more about their own creation than, I, a Fan, do." is always good for a laugh.
The situation has been wild 😅
It’s less that and more people also in the project claim different
Which makes it a little more complicated
Tbf I don't think Scott rly knows what's going on in the franchise either
@@kccullaeven if that's true, I'd rather trust his word than the fans
The whole “Scott is lying” has the same energy as “Dan is wrong for saying Doofenzmirtz isn’t Phineas’ dad”
Pfft
@@IDsFantasy Yeah
I wholeheartedly believe the possibility of him being his dad.
@@neshian_draws In a headcanon, yeah, officially, no, it’s debunked
@neshian_draws he debunked it, candice and phineas are full siblings but doof and phineas' mum only dated for a day, therefore it's impossible. And no, canonically, they never dated again so that doesn't work
A version of a book that wasn’t released wouldn’t be canon, there’s no motive for lying
Exactly
it's not really about the book itself anymore. it's about finding out whether these "trusted" members of the community are telling the truth or not
@@RyDawgEand sadly it seems that many can't be trusted given they are all trying to argue that Scott was lying and throwing entom under the bus
@@RyDawgEI mean why are they even "trusted" members of the community? Any Jimmy or Tommy can be called that, lol.
@@mjm3091 Entom was, at one point, a reliable leaker.
The thing that drives me crazy about the reasoning that the Talbert Files are real is that in the "email" from Scott, he specifically says "yeah i dont care if you reveal it or keep it secret do what you want with it lol," which means why would you think Scott is lying now when under that logic he didn't care about it being leaked???
Exactly
Him not caring about it being leaked leads me to believe this email is fake. There's no way he would allow that when there's NDAs or copyright issues to be had if it did leak.
@@sonotfetch Not to mention anybody around in the 2010s would know that Scott would NEVER let things leak on purpose
Honestly the response is so overdramatic from the people claiming it's real that I'm inclined to believe Scott. Especially as it seems he doesn't really care either way.
Yeah
Dont see the point
@@atanaZion the point in what?
Considering that people haven't let this man rest after moving on yeah I would just stick to this man's words as a legend
I think it’s just funny how people are reacting cause it’s clearly not canon now even if it was supposedly gonna be originally
Yeah XD
I don't think Scott's lying but even if he was lying..... It would be irrelevant at this point. Like at this point in the story The missing children aren't even a thing anymore, like we're on a whole new plot line. Hell at this point we can't even hold on to a plot line for very long before it's ripped away and a new one is inserted.... Just look at vanny....
Honestly I wouldn't doubt it if Scott was trolling everyone, but it's probably more likely he's telling the truth here
Yeah, especially given he made three separate comments about it, with all of them being pretty insistent that it's not real. It would be out of character for his usual trolls
"Hey guys it's me the real scott cawthon *_what the fuck is happening in here"_*
Yeah that's basically the vibe lol
Bruh, why the fuck would Scott lie. Like this sounds like one of those situations where it looks like a frog, it smells like a frog and it sounds like a frog and they would be out here claiming it's a horse like bruh. Stop coping for being incorrect, it's okay to be wrong
Yeah it's a weird situation
The issue I have is that the Talbert Files absolutely REEKS of a fanfiction gotten out of hand. With the amount of grammatical mistakes, changes to characters that make very little sense, and incorporation popular headcanons within the fandom, there’s very little room to say that it was written by Scott or anyone affiliated with Scholastic. Plus, I have more reason to believe Scott, the creator of the series who has no reason to lie, versus some random leaker on twitter who we know practically nothing about besides the fact that they’re a fan of FNAF.
Yeah, sounds about right
Given Scott’s responses to previous leaks I think he’s telling the truth.
When the Into The Pit game leaked he didn’t deny it he just said “yeah it’s real, sucks it leaked early but enjoy the trailer”.
If this were real I’m sure he’d be like “yeah, it’s real but absolutely nothing in it should be used for the lore, it was scrapped after all”. Something to that effect anyway.
Yeah
Scott has the patience of a saint for snapping and telling these people to STFU already.
Honestly, as I writer, I’ve realized most of the FNAF fandom doesn’t have a dang clue how the creative process actually works. I could fill whole books with just scrapped ideas, and I’m not trying to create an internet mystery.
Seriously! I'm also a writer and I've seen how frustrated he was getting people assuming the lore and outright say he was lying or made something he didn't make. There is so much that goes in the process of creative writing, and so much stuff is going to get scrapped, for so many reasons. I'm pretty sure scott would have known if he made this or not.
Yep
Given how he's made literally 2 statements before making an actual post saying that the talbert files likely wasn't real (and definitely isn't now thanks to the edit), it feels as though he was actually confused and frustrated to see that people genuinely believed that this was something he made or wrote.
Now what really upsets and confuses me to no end is why are people choosing to believe a person in the community, rather than the literal creator and writer of the series and its lore. Scott has literally no reason to lie about this, especially 3-4 times back to back.
As someone who watched the entire mess that was may 2nd, what I've seen are people who were directly connected to entom and his group yell and scream about how scott is lying to everyone and is directly throwing entom "under the bus" just because he said the book isn't real. They scream so much about it being real and how entom showed them, and yet they don't wish to show evidence whatsoever. For saying the book is real, they really don't want to show the evidence of it being as such.
I'm sorry that entom has been harassed over the situation that was talbert files, but you can't say that scott is outright condoning his harassment, or is lying to make someone look bad, what would he gain from that? Honestly, what I come to realize is that Entom and anyone who is screaming about scott lying is showing that they cannot be trusted, and that they are willing to go against any and everyone who says it's fake, even the own creator.
Man, I am writing too much about this, I'm gonna stop now cause I have thoroughly talked people's ears off. I just hope this community genuinely learns and grows, though considering the UCN days, I worry they just won't learn still.
Yeah it's a mess
@@IDsFantasy It genuinely is. In brighter news we might be getting HW2 DLC news soon. Hopefully we can finally moon on from this terrible situation 2 days ago.
My whole thing is like, literally why would scott lie though? He losses literally nothing if he admits that its a book of non canon scrapped ideas that dont matter. The only motivation would be that hes just kind of a jerk that likes seeing people fight
Yeah. There's no reason I see that would make sense with what we know of him
I feel like he is the kind of guy who'd lie about it
@@atanaZion Why would he lie? And if we're going by feelings (that's not a good way to go about controversy or mystery), I feel like he wouldn't lie about it.
If you are accusing someone of being a liar, you should show the proof. While I follow some of the people who are saying that the files are real, when I asked them for proof, they gave an excuse or said that they don't need to show me anything. I'm sorry, but I can't take 'trust me bro, my friend is right' as proof, especially if you are going against the creator of the game. Scott responded swiftly and seriously. The accused individual has gone AFK and is not providing proof. I'm sorry, but for now, I believe Scott.
@@lovedetctivegirl Because Scott did lie before
All of FNaF 4's teaser that were being along for MONTHS were deliberately teasing to reveal the bite of 87 just to have 83 throw in for no reason whatsover
He literally made FNaF World Overworld intirely in 2D instead of 3D as the trailer showed and made ppl pay for that and just reliazed an update after massive backslash (and not without complaining about it on teasers first)
He did half lie about SL being Free Roam game whilr what we were really expecting was smtg like SB
Plus SB itself was almost a big scum content, which Scott as the director trought mid-way during the process and the literal owner of the IP should be responsibpe for that
Scott have always been very avoidant of conflict (choosing to just "retire" and claim that he was "cancelled"(when he left by hiw own free will) during the twitter episode, making the dev of Afton Built wait for months before he just said he wouldn't release the game and only hiring pedos and creepies off his team after massice comunnity request (even when he knew about their behaviour for years, as LadyFiszi used to throw that under his throat)) I can see claiming it to be false just so he hide some or other thing from that book or just claim the twitter weren't his in case he accidentaly confirmed that or smtg else
I don't have proof that that book is real but Scott isn't that trustworthy
Some years ago even when he came out of his way to give tips about the lore several ppl would say we should take what he said with a grant of salt cause he is so trololo and stuff even thought I used to believe him cause trolling wasn't the same as straight up liying but now you can see the change in attitude caused by the refusal of the community to accept that Scott may be at wrong
@@atanaZion
1. The game was originally meant to cover the bite of 87, that much was evident, however as time went off it's clear that the focus shifted and instead focused on the earlier points in the franchise, so he made it the bite of 83 to not confuse too many people (which he later clarified in SL), that doesn't mean he lied about it, and it seems disingenuous to claim as such.
2. This one you actually have a point on this one, but this is more from a gameplay side of things than a lore side of things, comparing that to the talbert files is silly because while scott absolutely had a reason to lie there (his own incompetency and biting off more than he could chew), soctt has no reason to lie about the talbert files being fake.
3. As far as I'm aware, he's never actually stated that SL would be free roam? The community just assumed it would be when looking at the game before it released, and were disappointed when it wasn't.
4.While Scott very much helped with the mess that was SB and was the director for it, he himself didn't make the game, and most of the ideas aren't even traced back to him. The mess that was SB was mostly Steel Wool's over ambition and not knowing when a game is genuinely too big.
Genuinely, Scott has nothing to gain from lying over a stupid book, that wouldn't even be canon or viewed as canon in the first place.
there is so much drama with this when it’s ultimately a useless book that doesn’t even mean anything. These are scrapped ideas for a book that is dubiously canon. Not 100%, just kind of canon. Even if Scott was lying about this, it doesn’t even matter in the long run.
Even then it's actually 100% not canon according to the 'Scott' in the emails
Unfortunately for Entom and the rest of that friend group, everything they leak or claim to be in the know on won't be believed. The trust gets destroyed after something like that.
Y e p
Twitter "artists" when they realize art comes with a plethora of scraps tests and trials and it isn't just waking up and deciding the lore for the next decade before breakfast
Pfft yeah
Scott lying in this situation about allowing an unfinished version of a copyrighted work to be leaked is big time reaching. No, that's not how real businesses and publishing companies work. They just dont let leaked copies get out and go freely, even with Scotts so called blessing. They want to say Scott is 'lying' to "throw entom under the bus for Pinkypills".....Scott is not as chronically online as the fandom is and that can be to a detriment esp with Pinkypills and the other artist, but also we avoid the immature decisions that Scott is being accused of, such as lying.
I think that someone these people considered to be trustworthy is actually a big big liar and they would rather call the stranger they dont like (Scott) a liar before their friend. (not saying said friend is entom but whoever actually created this 'leak')
Yeah. For all we know whatever source Entom got the thing from is the one lying, though that still raises a question with the emails. Big mess all around
scott is just a normal guy, with a fanbase that is terminally online, as a consequence he can seem pretty out of touch, which isn't a bad thing. So he totally wouldn't lie to people on the internet, because he still follows morals that you would follow if you were in a face to face conversation if you know what I mean? I don't know, it makes sense in my head
Yeah
I think people will do anything online to be right and trying to make Scott look like he’s lying wouldn’t surprise me unfortunately
Yeah
Why would Scott tell Entom he can use a scrapped version of The Freddy Files as fanfic lol
Yeah, it seems a bit weird
I feel like Scott is the kind of guy to, in situations like this, tell the truth, even if it confirms its existence. So, based on that, I know that Scott is telling the truth here.
Yeah
i love how people are debating about the canonically of the said book's content but none of them questions "where did this prototype came from?" Because it's a very VERY weird decision for Scott to give something like this to someone (a Leaker to be specific) and then didn't expect it to get leaked
Yeah
Can't this franchise and its community go ONE DAY without ANY drama??
Apparently not
I firmly believe in Scott, there's no reason for him to lie. Because, even if it was real... it's scrapped, so it would be of course not canon, and not relevant to the current lore.
Yeah lol
It's cut content and therefore non-canon. Why would Scott have a reason to lie?
Yeah, it would be weird
Honestly, I really don’t get the big deal, it’s scrapped concepts from a time with very outdated lore. People can’t understand that sometimes, if a writer doesn’t want something to be canon in the story, it isn’t canon, that’s it, done.
Yep
I don't think he would lie about his own franchise. Troll, yes, but this doesn't feel troll-y
Yeah
Say what you will about Scott Cawthon and his tendency to troll the community, but I have never seen the man straight-up _lie_ to us. If he wanted to hide something about The Talbert Files for the sake of an upcoming release, he would have worded his comments much differently; him saying under no uncertain terms that nothing relating to the book is real leaves no doubt in my mind that the thing is fake.
Makes sense
FNaF 4 was literally a months long amount of lying saying it would be revealing the bite of 87
Just as saying SL would be free roam, which was a scamming half truth
Oh, and the sb trailers aswell
@@atanaZion SB is a trailer of a game that changed over the years. There is a difference between a game whose story changed during production (not a rare thing in the industry), especially when it has been in production hell for 4 years, and him putting himself in front of the fandom and writing a post with what I don't believe are lies."
@@lovedetctivegirl Yeah, even if we excuse the promoting of heavily removed stuff of one game won't change what he did with FNaF 4 and World specially
Personaly I am inclined to believe the creator who explicitly asked us not to harass anyone in his post on Reddit. Good call on that one Scott.
I am just upset about the possible circumstances.
If Scott is telling the truth then we still have fake emails which we should have learned from by now not to fall for.
If Entom is telling the truth we have fnaf fans not caring about “The red tape” despite the persons privacy probably having nothing to do with fnaf.
Overall it’s the circumstances that have me concerned.
Yeah, it's a mess
It’s twitter, what did you expect?
Pretty much this lol
He made the game, what he says goes my boy
Yep
I would think this would be a case of "only the developer can confirm", so there wouldn't be a reason for Scott to lie. Also, I'd hesitate to trust anything anyone who didn't work on the Freddy Files would say because things are far too easy to fake these days.
Yep
unless anyone can provide actual proof of the draft’s legitimacy, which no one can at the moment, my take is that entom fooled his friends a year ago and it simply got out of hand. i don’t mean that as an attack on any of them of course, i understand the desire to defend a friend, but for now i think there’s a pretty wide gap in credibility between the creator of the franchise and the friends of a twitter user.
And who knows, maybe whatever source Entom got it from lied to him about its authenticity
It's the concert art situation all over again! I remember seeing a leaked image of the upcoming SB: Ruin edition files and the cover art featured some concept art. Scott realize this mistake and said that he will change the cover art since he knows that people will start to make theories on the concept art. There is a reason that it was never published. There was a reason it's CONCEPT ART. Same goes for here. These are SCRAPPED IDEAS that aren't canon, as Scott himself said. Chill out people-
Yeah lol
My personal theory is that none of the people in this situation are technically lying. Scott doesn't know what these are cause they aren't real, so he isn't lying. Then Entom (from my understanding the person who found the book) thinks it was real, which led his friends and (eventually when the Talbert files were leaked) a huge Chunk of the community to believe it's real. This is the only way to make almost every party in this situation innocent.
Well, the issue is the emails they're using to "prove" that Scott essentially confirmed that the book was real, which is being directly contradicted by him. In that sense, someone is definitely lying.
Yeah it's a mess. Someone's lying about the emails though most likely
@@IDsFantasy that's true, didn't think about that. So guess someone has to be lying, that's unfortunate.
Even if he is lying bro he literally decides the lore
True lol
I don’t want to say anyone (Scott, Entom, his friends, etc.) are lying, but its looking like the book was fake.
Unless we see the actual book in its entirety, beyond a few weirdly cropped pictures and transcriptions of its contents, then I think there’s room for it to be real.
The question then becomes, “where did this thing come from?” Did Scott make it and lie? Is it a bootleg someone made? (If so, what were the emails from?) Did it spawn from the void? What’s the deal?
Yeah that sums it up pretty well
The book could be fake to
Some People can make fake thing online
Ngl I think it’s pretty funny. I don’t really understand what it would change anyway. Not everyone’s just gonna immediately switch up on the lore.
Yeah lol. I have seen some people (pre Scott comments) try to use it as evidence though
definitely fake, scott has no reason to lie about this
Yeah
i believe scott here, but also i feel like its so like him to just make stuff up to ensue chaos lol
Fair, though he usually is chaotic in much more obvious ways
I know anyone named Talbert ain't gonna have a good time around FNaF fans.
Pfft
A fellow CZcamsr named jhonny the night guard has solved this mystery and its fake
Tbh there wasn't really much to solve on that front. Scott said they were fake. This video was mainly just letting people know the situation if it were to come up
Yea but we also got Twitter and the start was more of a information and the end of a summary
Why does it matter if it is real or not? If its not canon either way then what are we debating?
Yeah XD
Who's lying
I think someone else sent those people those emails/statements. Regardless, ‘the Talbert files’, if they are real, were scrapped and are obviously therefore non canon so I don’t see the big deal anyway
Yep
Man, I miss when "lore" was just contained in the games themselves, back when the most insane thing we had to do was input a code into a wall in fnaf 3. Now it feels like a full time job to just keep up with the lore, let alone try to piece together anything yourself. I wouldn't be surprised if I posted some random gibberish to reddit and someone commented something along the lines of: "We have obviously considered this, but the story that was written with invisible ink on the official fnaf toilet paper disproves this."
Pfft XD
I think that whoever was telling people to die during this situation are jerks
Yep
I have to say I believe it to be fake. Like many have said, there’s no reason for Scott to lie: the “Talbert Files” would be inconsequential as scrapped material, and it seems way out of character for Scott. Has he occasionally trolled us? Yes, but it’s always obvious and acknowledged after the fact. His tone in the posts concerning the Talbert controversy feels far more serious than any previous troll posts. Additionally, there’s been no aftermath reveal; he’s stayed consistent that the “files” are fake and don’t resemble anything familiar.
That said, I have written many things for uni and stumbled across papers from years ago that I scarcely remembered writing, despite having the proof before me. Admittedly, Scott is far busier than I, and I could certainly understand a scenario where he legitimately did not recall the doc in any way, shape, or form.
Of course, that acknowledgment is me being very charitable. Johnny Night Guard made a great video explaining how the “Talbert Files” really don’t fit the TFF draft incarnations and show signs of likely photoshop. Personally, I just can’t reasonably see any possibility of this thing being legitimate.
Yep
I feel like the people saying Scott lied are embarrassed that they believed it so are pulling different things out to try and stop themselves from looking like fools
Possibly
There’s a reason Archive of Our Own exists. Just write some of the so-called chapters that they remember and post as fanfiction on there if it’s even “real”.
Originally they passed off the 'leak' as a fanfic. Possibly so that Scott wouldn't find out and make a statement like he did perhaps? But yeah lol
Im with scotts side
Fair
Bruh imagine being proven wrong by the creator of a game and then saying they are a liar 🤣🤣🤣
Seriously though it's sad how these individuals were considered trusted. Well atleast now no one is gonna believe a single thing they say because of this stunt.
The thing is them doubling down is having some people question Scott, particularly if they personally know the people involved
Woah... well I never heard of the Talbert thing recently since I've not been online much due to college. So I'm not bothered, and along with Scott, yeah why would he lie. Why would he bring attention to it, if it was a lie? Either way, poor Scott getting blamed again. Bless your heart man heart❤
Yeah 😅
This situation talberted my files
Pfft
Ah, yes, the classical "delayed April's fool"
Pfft
I’m pretty much echoing some of the comments, but my thoughts are that why would he even lie about something like this? Obviously I’m not as invested as I once was in FNAF, but the whole thing just seems beyond overdramatized (though I also feel Twitter is a pit of trash anyway lul). It reminds me of what Scott once said in regards to lots of controversy with FNAF 4 at the time when he was saying something along the lines of “the contents of the box have changed, and it’s why I’ll most likely never reveal said contents,” saying that over time, with more and more theories coming out, the story and the idea of what he wanted for the story changed. On the off chance that it’s something along these lines with the Talbert situation and Scott was “lying,” like why does it matter so much? I feel like people get so bent out of shape on specific details and just can’t settle on things to agree or disagree on and that’s it
Yep
I see no reason to lie, especially as he can easily dismiss it if it was true as being mostly just outlines and unfinalised ideas that haven’t appeared in the franchise in that form, he doesn’t even need to say what’s canon and what’s not (in case any of these concepts get added down the line) since it’s all an incomplete draft
Exactly
gonna be honest, this is my first time hearing about the talbert files so i cant really say much lol
Why would he make the main character the creator of the mediocre melodies? I know that the freddy files ends with a fnaf 6 teaser but I don't think revealing the name of a random group of side characters makes sence. Why not have him be the one that made the rockstars or any actually important characters? I don't think it is real.
Edit: I just read dioxide's comment and it's so funny! Why is he taking it so seriously? "Scott Cawthon is lying to you" is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Why did he bold his name. Man, some people take everything to seriously.
It's only bolded because I searched Scott Cawthon on Twitter, but otherwise yeah 😅
At this point I think that Scott doesn't even know the lore himself.
At this point, both could be lying. Maybe Talber files was scrapped because it revealed too much? Or maybe it never existed in the first place? I have no idea and I couldn't care less about it.
Valid
Maybe the real Talberts are the friends we made along the way or something, idk ✨
XD
Is trying to understand the story behind a fictional chuck e cheese horror game really worth all this trouble and drama??
Nope
When Scott is super direct, it's either a hoax made by someone else, or Scott is telling the truth.
Yeah
Scott doesn't speak out unless we REALLY have something wrong. I dont think hes lying.
Yeah
Scott says it aint real, it aint real. Anyone saying other wise are coping and clinging to clout
Quite probably
What point would he even have to lie? He is the creator. And he will say if you will correct or not correct like in his games and books
Yeah, it's weird
This situation is so unnecessary. The way people are reacting to this is amusing and annoying. This is why I don't use twitter.
Valid
Scott isn’t lying in my opinion. He has nothing to lie about and it wouldn’t help solve the lore because it’s scrapped if it was real
Yeah
This whole thing hurts my brain 😭
Valid lol
Even if it was canon at one point, I think it’s pretty clear that Scott does not want it to be true now. So it’s probably safe to assume it’s not canon to FNAF’s current story. Maybe it was an old idea of his for the story or something or maybe it was just never real.
I feel like we should do EXACTLY as we've been doing from the start: Take EVERYTHING Scott says to be 100% accurate, because that's what every theorist ever has been doing from the get-go. We all agree that Scott Cawthon making an official statement on something is rare, and why would he bother to do that if he was just going to lie? Scott Cawthon is a Christian, so lying wouldn't really be a good option for him.
Yeah, it would be pretty out of character
At this point they are just making it up as they go along and there is no cohesive narrative,plot, or story - great example being security breach and the literal non story in the game and massive changes before its release (Vanessa’s part in the story, the premise of it taking place over 5 nights, the multiple endings all being true to some degree) is genuinely frustrating and glaringly obvious. If you told me Scott cathong was being a liar liar pants on fire to back track and try to fix something I’d be much more willing to entertain that as reality. Also - thank you for acknowledging me when I sent you the note from Cassie’s dad screenshot well before everyone got on the “OMG ITS CASSIE’S DAD!!1!” Train. You do great work by the way.
I think the fnaf community is just sick and tired to not know all of the fnaf lore, because of hwo complicated it is. So they don't care if something is clearely NOT CANON AT ALL, all they care about is that they got information, even if the information doesn't blend in with what we know by now for sure.
(That is why I love the fnaf community XD)
It's a big weird tasting stew.
I didn't eat it, but I can smell it.
Yeah lol
I think a big problem with the FNAF lore that’s eating away at me isn’t the fact it’s too complicated or it’s too compact, i think what’s frustrating is that the story isn’t leading down a single path anymore but it’s open to TOO many interpretations. No one can agree on ANYTHING beyond FNAF4 anymore. It doesn’t feel like a story anymore, just a choose your own adventure game now.
People don't even agree on FNAF 4. Tbh I think 1 and 2 have the most agreement
@@IDsFantasy I still love the game and the lore! I just LOVED pizzeria simulator for being more straight forward with some complicated lore mixed in. You’re so right tho. 1 and 2 are probably the best for that
I've been around for awhile, and while Scott has trolled us in the past, it's been very clear and never an outright lie. I really have to believe Scott here.
Yeah that's my thought
I love being a part of this fandom, but man, sometimes I wish it were easier... Personally, I have no opinion on it, because both sides are rather convinced that they are telling the truth and it would be weird for them to lie.
It's all way too complicated...
Pretty much 😅
@@IDsFantasy they both cannot be correct either scott is being truthful or the twitter community members are being truthful. The burden of proof is on the community members saying it is real.
@@commandobrando618And yet for how much they scream about it being real they refuse to show any of evidence of such, which is funny given some of these people were directly involved in the situation with entom, meaning they should have seen so much more than what was shown, right?
And yet, they just say that scott is lying, but refuse to provide proof of how.
@@commandobrando618Not just that, but you also have to look who has something to gain or lose from it. Scott gains or loses nothing if the book is/was real *or* fake, no matter what he says on the subject. FNAF gonna FNAF, and the check still gets made out to him; it’s a machine that isn’t going to stop at this point. The folks pushing for it, though… they have things to gain (internet fandom points, a fresh goldmine for theorycrafting and clickbaiting, and a pat on the head) and things to lose (reputation, subscriptions, their own sense of self-importance) if they convince or fail to convince others.
@@kaineandrews3790 exactly
Why would someone go through the trouble of creating fake documents that are made to look like beta versions of a book?
Then again why would Scott lie about them being real? Why not say they were early copies of the book.
Something doesn't add up here.
Yeah. SOMEONE is lying here and it would be weird in both cases
People make up fake content about popular franchises all the time. Could be to troll, for fun, for notoriety, or for many other reasons. Writing an alternate version of a book isn't that far out there for things people have faked before.
Scott, meanwhile, would be inconsistent if the leak was real. Scott doesn't like to confirm things via emails to random people in the community. If he would do something like that, it would be through someone like Dawko. And if he confirmed it was real through emails, it then becomes inconsistent as to why he denies the existence of the beta content. Why confirm something only to deny he confirmed it? Both parts of Scott's involvement don't make sense if the beta content is real.
@@CuantumQ Kane Carter, a creator of a game in the Fazbear Fanverse, corroborated the idea that the emails are false by comparing them with his previous emails with Scott. If this is true, then there is something strange going on.
Because some people will go to ridiculous lengths to gain attention, fame, notoriety and cash. Lots of people will work harder at a dishonest endeavor than they ever would just doing something legitimately. It’s kind of bizarre, but people do it every day.
I truly believe that someone is trying to fake leaks and emails in the fnaf community in order to get Scott to respond with actual lore answers. Seeing his response to the "are the books canon?" email this person could've tried to do it again, seeing if Scott would explain what's real and whats not.
One issue I had with the validity of The Talbert Files is the fact that it gave away/seemingly answered WAY too many mysteries and questions the fanbase had at the time, which was a complete 180 of what Scott Cawthon does, which is give us the clues and let us try and piece it together.
Scott Cawthon x Lying about FNAF lore
Name a more iconic duo
He created the games and books, he himself has the power to change the story however he wants. If he says something about the storyline is false, it's false.
I can’t think of a time Scott has blatantly lied to us, so I’m inclined to believe him. He stretches truths, or plays around with words to discombobulate the community. Whenever he wanted to hide something he never lied about it before, I see no reason why he would ever lie about it now.
Yeah
So happy I got off Twitter
This situation is so stupid and messy
Yeah 😅
Ever since the ruin dlc, I’m completely lost on the fnaf lore 💀
Oop-
I'd think scott is less lying and more so dosen't remember the book at all, not caring much about it sense he didn't make the lore in it, the company making the book would of. And the people who ended up with the book never realized that
He edited his post to say that he looked into what the book was, and it wasn't written by him or Scholastic. Additionally people have since pointed out signs to show the proof was potentially photoshopped.
But yeah, I do think that if it is real, that would make sense
My opinion is that it's fake. Keep in mind it has been a good chunk of time since our last real FNAF content. I think people are just hungry for something, so this rumor got far too out of hand
Fair
I think this whole situation is being treated in the worst and most nuclear way possible. People harassing him and making alot of accusations about scott. I get we are passionste about tbis game but people need to know when theres a line being crossed
Yeah
My best theory as to why Scott might possibly lie, is that it completely discredits Entom, his biggest leaker. The only reason I even entertain that this book might be real is because Entom is known for their very accurate leaks. He has connections with someone close to Scott to be able to leak the range of different projects that he has.
Scott also replied in his very Scott fashion. Not only did he say they were fake, he blamed scholastic for being fake. He said they're not allowed to write lore but yet majority of the content was lore that was later then reused in slightly different ways. So what, Scott didn't give them this lore, so they wrote it but he then took this lore and used to it for later projects just slightly different? It's weird.
Then later replied saying he didnt even know what people were talking about and that he had not read them. Thus leaving another answer open ended.
At the end of the day, they were just entertaining to read, regardless of being non canon or half truths. Whoever was feeding Entom information might have even been caught through this. So, I hope this puts a solid end to FNAF leaks and that Scott finally gets to enjoy his releases.
He edited the post to say that he looked into it more and they were definitely fake. But yeah lol
Good to know he made one final edit, he never does that and it helps clear it up for good!@@IDsFantasy
I don't see why Scott would ever lie bout this, he's never outright lied about something even while being as cryptic and confusing as he has been
Yeah
The thing is: what would Scott gain from lying about something that he may or may not have done, in his defense things like emails can be easily faked or photoshopped so even IF he said something about this, it’s scrapped so therefore it cannot be canon to the lore of FNAF
Yep
At this point, it doesn’t matter if the Talbert files are real or not. It doesn’t even matter if you argue that, “they’re scrapped ideas, they don’t count”. What matters to the lore changes with every game and book. What could be lore from one mini game could suddenly not matter because of new lore from another game. The story is constantly changing and getting rearranged. And this isn’t me complaining about it. In all honesty I kinda like having an odd story that just keeps expanding and doesn’t make complete coherent sense. Reminds me of how DC or Marvel would constantly make characters and origins that would be in conflict with in universe logic.
Anyway, we already know that the official logbook is bad lore. So why are we even bothering with the Talbert files?
Fair lol
This might be a hot take on the situation, but I’m not afraid to say it. The Talbert Files would be a rad name for an audiodrama or some monster of the week actual play podcast.
Those are all of my opinions on the drama.
Nice XD
whats the background music?
Caught in a Loop from Princess Quest
@@IDsFantasy thank you 🖤
I mean the only reason I could see him lying is because this was a rough draft for ideas in his books and games
Closely guarding the lore as convolutedness gives him artistic freedom would mean denying existence of the rough draft
On the other hand though I've seen Scott mess with the fandom before this doesn't feel like it at all
this feels like him saying hey guys this isn't Canon
That's my thought process
Even if by miracle it was a draft that Scott completely forgot about rejecting, it wouldn't have been written by him but by someone at Scholastic, as he mentioned in the reddit post. So there wouldn't be anything to confirm or deconfirm theories with.
And I kinda would have liked for some parts of it to be real like William's words about CC's death, but it's really no big deal if it was fake lol
Yep
I mean this is cool but if it is real it doesn’t impact the story sense it’s all scrapped ideas and why would Scott just lie
Yeah
I think this might be a fan project or something from like steel wool without scott's knowledge and the proof people say they saw is more like "oh if this is this then it must be this!"
The issue is someone faked emails from Scott about it being real