Inside vs. Outside Turns (for Salsa & Bachata)
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2022
- Learn what an inside turn and outside turn is in salsa and bachata, and why having a name for every move is so important.
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Was this video helpful? Let me know what you learned! Have an idea for the next video? Share that below too. -Robin
it's way too much information. It's extremely good for references. But for learning a specific move, it's hard to follow as it is too much info all at the same time.
@@garishrodrigues3932 yea this video is not to teach you the moves - we have an online course for that. This is just explaining the names of the turns and how to remember them.
mixing different styles only makes confusion, my 2c
@@LuigiSimoncini what do you mean in the context of the video?
@@thedancedojo in-line/linear, dance on 1 & on 2, bachata, makes sense now?
Hi Robin, I am from India and I watch your videos extensively. I always thought I could never learn to dance the Salsa but having watched a lot of your vids, I am doing just fine in less than a month. Your videos are very easy to understand and follow. Thank you so much for enabling so many people to learn to SALSA. You are a great instructor. Great respect 🙏 👏 👍
Wow thanks so much Xavier, that makes me so happy! Appreciate those words my man. Keep having fun! -Robin
Thank you. I just doubled my repertoire.
🙌 awesome
This is maybe... your best video. And u got so many good ones... thanks a lot.
wow thanks a lot! glad it helped
Great video. Very informative. Glad you're feeling better. You have made and continue to make great contributions to the art and practice of dance! Thanks!
Thanks Alex! Appreciate the encouragement, means a lot man. Hope you're doing well. -Robin
That left rail position is definitely work in progress.
I feel you. It's always a little weird to start going to the other side. -Robin
Amazing and super helpful! 🔥🔥
Thanks bro!!
Neatly explained. Thanks, Robin!
Thanks a lot Divya! :)
This is AWESOME. Thanks!
You're welcome man! -robin
Hey Robin, it's good to see you back, and better to know you prioritized your health. All the best on your healing journey.
Thanks for this explination of inside and outside turning, then multiplying the number of moves a leads has. It goes well with last weeks video break down of timing.
One thing I've never seen (or don't remember seeing) in the Dance Dojo training or on the CZcams channel is multiplying basic moves with the level of hand placement.
You would know this better than me. I had one teacher show how the basic turns could be multiplied by either going clearly with the hands 1) high above the head 2) mid-height at the neck or 3) low at or below the hips. Then ones moves are further multiplied with hand hold positions, with a singler hold or double hand hold. Maybe this would be a nice concept to share in the upcoming videos.
As always, thanks for how you show up in the world and your contribution to the dance scene. All the best.
Appreciate the support Marcus! Always good to hear from you. It's a cool idea, something I'm actually developing for a Partner Work Training Program for Dance Dojo members (not sure if you saw the email?). I'll be experimenting more in the months to come and I'll see what seems good for youtube. Thanks again. -Robin
Great!
Thanks!
Very informative stuff
Glad you found it helpful Reza, thanks!
Nicely done 👍🏼
Thanks!
Very didactic video 👍Merci 🙏
Thanks, my pleasure Chris!
Gracias! Haces muy simple lo que Hera complicado esto me ayudara muuucho
Genial me alegra mucho! Gracias Javier 🙏 -Robin
I really love many of your videos! I learned so much from them starting out! The more I learn though the more this naming scheme seems nonsensical. A reverse inside turn? The lady is doing the exact same steps and you're performing the exact same lead at the exact same time! Why not just call it a walkthrough left turn like many teachers do? An "inside turn" and a "reverse inside turn" (which by the way turns the lady 'out' making it an "outside turn") is such a convoluted way of naming these patterns and makes it all the more confusing for guys. To tie it back to the dog analogy: It's like calling a Golden Retriever a Black Retriever any time you're in a dark room. I don't think we can hide behind "preference" here. Giving the same turn/dog two different names makes little sense.
There's lots of options for naming and none right or wrong. You can just say what it is: 1.5 turns to the left from the left rail. some people like that. some people like something else. I find if someone already knows what an inside turn is simply adding "reverse" to say the lead is on the other rail works. But some people like another name and that's cool. The point is to have some way of communicating the idea. I think the most accurate is the first option but it's not an easy name. -robin
Thanks that helps. As a follower, I’ve tended to just go with what my leader does so I’ve never learned the names which I think puts me at a disadvantage now that I’m more experienced. But the right side/left side terms always confuse me since I have to mentally reverse. What’s worse is that I’m left handed. I prefer clockwise and counterclockwise.
Hey Sue! you don't have to worry about reversing any lefts and rights - when i was talking about the left and right rail that's using the lead as the reference point because you don't need to think about it. However, It his helpful to understand what an inside and outside turn means and that moves can be executed from both rails. Make sense? -Robin
Ooommmmgggg merciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
you're welcome!! -robin
@@thedancedojo we just made your vidéo !! Thank you :)
Great breakdown cause sometimes some students dont relate well to these terms… it just doesn’t trigger the move in their brain… i tried also clockwize and counterclock wize;)
I always wondered if people tend to like clockwise/counterclockwise vs. right/left - which works better for you?
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Hey Robin! Love the videos and your platform. I am confused about the bachata part. You mentioned if the hand comes across my follow that's an inside turn and if it goes away from them that's an outside turn (using linear grip lead right to follows left). What happens if I use my left hand to her right? Coming across would be inside turn by definition but the follows footwork would be outside turn. Or better yet what happens if I give my follow a 2 hand turn? Which hand determines if it's across or away as you'll have one of both. Sorry if you already covered all this in the course as I'm currently focusing on your Salsa curriculum and haven't gotten through all of the bachata content. Thanks
Hey Stephane, I'd say watch the bachata videos on inside and outside turns first and you'll probably have your questions answered. If not, let me know! When you use two hands, if both hands are above the follows head you can't use this way of describing inside and outside. But if one hand is up and one is down (going into a hammerlock) you can. -Robin
It feels like the simplest way would be to base the name on the follow's footwork instead of handholds or which rail the lead is on. For example, on 1, if the follow does clockwise turns on 567 (called outside turn in your curriculum), their elbow goes away from their body usually, but, if marking is done with lead's RH holding follow's LH, then the follow's elbow will go in and across the follow's frame as they turn on 567. That said, it is critical to know that some instructors will use the terminology differently: Some refer to the follow's footwork (e.g. Dance Dojo) and other instructors refer to the movement of the follow's raised elbow during turns (crossing over the body=inside turn, crossing away from the body=outside turn, as you describe at 2:35).
Yea i find each piece useful im different circumstances. I suppose the clearest way may be saying the follow does 1.5 turns to the right, starting on 5 if dancing On1 (for an outside turn) with X handhold.
Hola! So, question for you, why don’t we just call these a left one and a half and a right one and a half? Regardless of which side the lead is on. Wouldn’t this make it much easier for everybody to know exactly what the follow needs to do? love your vids! Long time member ❤
Hey Michael! good question and since I wasn't there for the creation of the names i don't have the best answer for you, except to say when things get more advanced sometimes it's easier to do as you say. Starting on beat X do 2.5 turns clockwise, for example. I suppose the names are just a quicker nicer way of saying 1.5 turn right or left because they're so common. Common things tend to get named first for quick reference. -Robin
@@thedancedojo Thanks!
On 2 seems harder ?
it's just different. I imagine if you learned it first it would feel "normal" -robin.
Hi Robin, thanks a lot for this explanation. One more confusion for me - with the 2nd method of describing inside or outside turn - if the follow's hand crosses in front of her body (let's ignore the reverse bit for simplicity). You said that "if you take her hand across her body, that's gonna be an inside turn". This, however, depends on with which hand you initiate the turn with (the handhold). If you turn follow right, holding her left hand with your right hand, then her hand would cross her body but also if you turn her left, holding her right with your left hand, her hand would cross her body. Following that logic both left and right turns could be inside turns, depending on which hand you're holding. Then another explanation was inside being when follow is spinning to the left and outside, spinning to the right. These 2 explanations are contradicting, which I find very confusing. Plsssss help :)
Yes what you said is right and yes they can be contradictory explanations. some people use the term inside and outside for explainimg different things and thats why i wanted to make you aware of both. for ex. if im holding the follows R hand with my L hand and someone said do an inside turn, i could understand that as do a left turn (it crosses her body). when dancing with cross body leads the most common way to say do a cross body + left turn (regardless of handhold) is to say do an inside turn, because the follow turns in towards the lead. my goal with this is to give you both ways someone might use the terms "inside" and "outside" so you're aware of how they may be using them.
@@thedancedojo Thanks a lot!!
You seem to contradict your own terminology (as many do). her hand crossing her body = inside turn. But when you describe reverse side you use R to L handhold and cross her body turning her right and you call it outside turn.
I mentioned two methods of describing the turns and you're mixing them. When i describe the reverse side I use the exact same name as the normal side - i.e.for a reverse inside turn the follows footwork and turn direction stay the same as with an inside turn and I just change sides. it has nothing to do with the handhold in that case. I find this method easiest for me to understand/describe linear salsa and thrn i can choose to play with handholds. on the other hand, If i'm dancing bachata and directly in front of the follow ill refer to a turn as inside if the follow's arm crosses in front of their body. my bad if that wasn't clearer. i'll do my best to do better in the future! -robin
adding "on two" makes the lesson far more complicated and confused me. Consider making separate videos for people who want to learn "on 2" salsa. Just a suggestion. Otherwise great lesson!
Just skip the on2 stuff! its impossible to please everyone re video format
But on2 is the most important. Real dancer dance on 2
Sweet , nice try to confuse dancers... , have you heard of clockwise or anticlockwise ;-) ... no more confusion.... , just an idea ... , maybe call anti-clockwise coca cola ..... problem is solved . 😁
I have. Im explaining the most common names given to the turns. Clockwise and counterclockwise are not the most common, although it's a good way to describe them. Just as many people struggle with rights and lefts as they do with clockwise and counterclockwise so there's no ideal description for all people unfortunately. -Robin