HOW WOULD THE LEMAN RUSS PERFORM IN WW2? Warhammer 40k lore and WW2 Tank History HH ep 5 fixed audio
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- TANKS! BIG, CHUNKY, AND AWESOME! But how would the Leman Russ, the Meme-Box of 40k, compare to the Sherman, the American Meme Machine! Better than you'd ever have imagined...
00:00- AY TONY!
01:21- The Russ is Great, and the Sherman too!
02:33- History/Development
09:15- Different Sides of the same coin
10:58- THE SHERMAN IS THE BEST, AND SO IS THE RUSS!
14:06- VARIANTS!
16:36- Specs and Variants Specs
28:32- The Meme/Myth
34:31- Tanks are cool
39:01- I made a lot of people mad, somehow...
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Hate to nitpick but the imperium controls a million words not a thousand
My ow my you look at a LEMAN RUSS & see an ''M4 Sherman'', my how you are mistaken.
the Leman Russ is obviously a b@st@rdization of a British Mark 1 onward of some kind from ww1 with part from the B type ''whippet'' & C type ''Hornet'' incorporated with a A22/Churchill turret slapped on the top.
It even has British radio box welded on the back of the leman Russ.
Games workshop was founded in London England so why precisely would a English company put yank tanks in the Universe over Limey tank ah?
The ww1 British Mk4 male/female had 3 (6 pounder) 1 in the hull in the exact same position as the Leman Russ & 2 sponson 6 pounders common to the leman Russ though the females as 2 machines guns seem to not be present.
Sorry to disappoint lad but a lot of what is in 40K is a nod to ww1 more then ww2 which the USA played a small role.
40K is one big fanfare & nod to the Empires of old made into a convoluted work of science fiction to sell tiny plastic miniatures-models.
British did slap central turrets on British heavy tank in ww1 with limited mixed results as being early days it was hard to house a 6 pounder only really managing 2 pounder.
I even see aspect of the Gun Carrier Mark I in the Leman Russ in some models.
USA=Imperium, what nonsense showing how delusional you yanks really are.
The ''Imperium'' is obviously a nod to the Europe's empires notably (Imperium Romanum=Imperial Romne)
The British empire/Imperial Britain/Imperium Britannica, Prussia & all 3 German Reich's.
Endless commissaire reference is obviously to the French empire & later Russian Empire.
Even the god emperor of mankind is an obvious depiction of the god status of roman emperors in history.
Even the USA is mimicry of both Britain English bill of rights & Rome's Senate.
You American never cease to amaze me that you know nothing of the world.
You say about ''Sherman variants'' but have you ever seen the British tank variants let alone fraction of the lunacy that was made in ww1 by just Britain alone never mind the other powers in Europe.
You know their are only 7 models of Sherman M4!
Britain's Churchill tank had 12 different kinds of tank models produced for combat roles & 11 more models in specific support roles.
23 is a bigger number then 7 lad.
To make matters even more insane for those not of Britain in ww2 we had Infantry Tanks & cavalry tanks being the A12, A22, A24/27, Valentine tank, A30 & A34 which doesn't include medium, light, Tankettes & motor gun carriers just to add even more layers.
A12, A22, A24/27, Valentine tank, A30 & A34 were our equivalent of the M4 Sherman & M26 Pershing which the later only 200 made it to Europe with only 30 seeing combat which was kind of a waste of time & resources on the USA's part.
Funnily most of the Sherman variants were British designs like the Sherman firefly you mentioned trying to get more millage out of the aging things by 1944.
The M4A1 (British Sherman Mk.II), The M4A2 (British Sherman Mk.III), (The M4A4 (British Sherman Mk.V) etcetera.
''The Jumbo'' & ''easy eight'' are yank designs mind.
Our British elders even named the M4 tank ''Sherman'' as the yanks never gave it a name.
You yanks named the few tanks you bothered to name something daft & ego stroking like 'Hellcat' or 'Wolverine' while we old blighties just named yank tanks after famous American generals.
You love your ''Sherman'' but Britain named it Ironically.
A Russ vs a Hammerhead is like a Sherman with the armor of an Abrams vs an Abrams with the armor of a Sherman.
Oh also the demolisher cannon isn't a howitzer, it's a rocket mortar in the same vein as a sturmtiger. Look at the SM vindicator for a more clear parallel.
A russ vs. a hammerhead is like a tank that knows it's a tank vs. a tank that thinks it's a helicopter.
*the hammerhead preforms a kill shot from a different continent
If the abrams could fly.
However I like spookston video on "hover tanks" (aka skimmers) we already have them, and he cuts to attack helicopters flying overhead.
@@Marinealver I once saw some science dude in a youtube q&a video (edit: might have been Bill Nye) answer the question "when will we have flying cars, trucks and tanks" with the answer "We've had them since the late 1940s. They're called 'helicopters'."
I mean you could technically introduce a new short and longer leman russ design, you just need to:
1. Establish or "find" an entire forge world.
2. Try to convince the mechanicus that you discovered an alternate design of the leman russ "hidden" in your archives that makes it harder to hit with its lower profile.
3. If they ask why the dimensions of the tank are so... "off", you could always say the STC you have might have been slightly corrupted, thus leading to current vairant of the tank youve been churning out of the assembly line.
4. Prove that your leman russ variant has a slightly higher success rate from being hit just slightly less often.
5. Get found out.
6. Get branded as a heretek.
7. Die and have your forge world wiped off the map by the mechanicus.
8. Become less than a footnote in history
9. After about a century or two, the mechanicus starts churning out your tank variant stating it was a lost STC "discovered, and totally not pried out of some guy's cold dead hands" and call it the newest mark pattern of the Mars Pattern Leman Russ Tank.
10. ...
11. Profit! (For the rest of humanity at least.)
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The greatest quote ever: “There is killing to be done!”
- Commissar Bradley
Enemy, or own troops?
@@Marinealver morale increase is moral increase!
@@Marinealver Yes
the imperium discovers the blueprints of an ancient tank.. it uses exactly the same engine as the Leman Russ Tank. Got a powerful long range gun. Is about as reliable as the russ (meaning it breaks down on the slightest incline...)
It is called the tiger Tank. and the techpriest has already made a plasma cannon variant.
Hitler would have loved that.
Lemans Russ are reliable as hell, I can't remember when they failed to start/work. It is a brick that works.
@@vitaliyred622yeah, in one short story a leman russ's track was repaired with an officer's cane
@@Sgt-lott10yeah but the officers cane was made of adamantium so it is strong enough to be used to repair the tread
@@mikemcghin5394 still, it's not exactly meant to be used to repair a tank yet it was able to be used for such
To be honest any box of steel would atleast be effective against either the italians or the japanese tanks
True.
Dont dis the meatball delivery systems...
The only tank that would lost to Italian tanks is the Bob Semple tank
@@BrownBread-qq2jpwhat are you saying that tank is what kept the japs and germans from ivading nz
"Commander, did you feel that bump?"
"I think so, what was that?"
"I think it was the enemy's armor"
*cut to italian tankette somehow looking even smaller
I find it hilarious that the Leman Russ uses a variant of the Tigers engine which is infamously super unreliable
Oh the irony...
Maybe it works because 41st millennium material science extends to the engines, making them much more robust and reliable. Either that or the engine is essentially an easter egg from the writer of Imperial Armor for people who know their tank history, because I really don't see a Panther as being able to propel a 60 ton tank for hundreds of miles on nearly anything that burns.
Well, it wasn't the engine that was the big problem. It was the transmission.
@@stratigangames508 the engine was still a huge problem the transmission is just worse. And with horse power of that engine your never getting to 70 kmh in a tank sized thing especially not in something that's like 60 tons
@@tau-5794 perhaps the solar auxilla ones had a better engine and that's why it could get 70kmh. Who knows it's just funny to me that the Leman Russ uses a tiger engine.
A lot of people don’t understand The guard win wars where Space Marines win battles. I’m a Space Marine fanboy, but their normal objective is to hold and capture areas that the imperium can’t lose.
Yeah…but that’s the way it is supposed to be. Space Marines are elite special forces. The guard is just like the army. Two different roles, both vital to successful campaigns.
@@totallylegit4092 correction SM are elite forces of the Elite special forces
@@makisroditis7206 your point does not invalidate my point.
@@totallylegit4092 they weren't even really making a point, just being an incorrect semanticist
@@atlasthespy2707 I wasn't going to waste my time arguing with someone when their point, valid or not, did not invalidate my point :). I see, well, no point to it :D
I am an ex-tanker and... yeah, everything you said checks out. I didn't know about the force field on the Lemon though, I didn't know that's why it was so fucking tall. It was something of a standout, most of the Imperium's vehicles are reasonably sized, the Lemon just fucking isn't, and it's good to know there's a reason. I've always thought the Lemon was a great tank, ever since it was blowing my space marines to kingdom come back in 2000, because the gun instagibbed marines.
Power armor is strong, but not as strong as a 120mm SABOT😂
The Leman Russ canonically has an "HL230 multifuel engine". Coincidentally, the high performance version of Maybach's V12 engine used in Panthers and Tiger IIs is the HL230 model.
40k writers do tend to copy things from real world vehicle specs without actually understanding what they mean.
@@davehood2667Come on, it's an obvious easter egg
I think the fuel used by the Leman Russ would be its defining factor and its greatest strength since it runs on anything that is combustible liquid making it not as suceptible to fuel shortages as well as simplifying its fuel logistics.
Agreed.
So.. Can it run on vodka?
Yep!
Oh, its like the T-55A then. The T-55 can run on gas, diesel or even raw crude oil! Cool stuff
@@PimpofSolSquadron I heard the M1 can also do the same thing. From what I seen although the gas turbine is optimized for jet-fuel. However, it can also run on other liquid fuel.
While 120mm may be the canon size for the Russ Battle Cannon, scaling the internal diameter of the model's gun gives you anywhere between 12"-14" depending on model kit and if you count 40k as 1:56 or 1:48 scale. That is over double the stated 120mm 4.75" gun.
If you go off the actual model, a Russ is a Mk4 with the front armor of an M3 Lee, the turret of a Tiger, and the gun from a battleship, with a 25% difference for copyright reasons
The in-universe example of the massive size of the Battle Cannon is that it has an extra thick barrel with additional cooling and an oversized muzzle break.
I could imagine the Leman Russ has quite a few advantages in what's called "soft" qualities. It's tall and wide and has very long tracks so it's likely both roomy and comfortable to drive.
You never see Leman Russes with things like exterior stowage bins or cargo nets so clearly there's enough room inside for the crew to have their personal gear with them. The multitude of access points mean that you have a good chance to escape a knocked out tank.
The funny thing is, I remember one of the specifically tank focused books mentioning that the roominess of the tank meant the entire crew died instantly to shock pressure if it took a hard enough hit (not even a penetrating one)
I'm putting that down to the writers not knowing shit about armor combat and defaulting to GRIMDARK
@@KillerOrca lol yeah that makes zero sense. That's not how explosive overpressure works, the more room you have for a shockwave to expand into, the less damage is caused. There's a few ways that a tank could be constructed to make it dangerous to the crew but I've never heard of having empty space in the tank being one of those. That's beyond grimdark, that's grimderp.
A Lemun Russ in green just looks so much like a Tank of Green Earth from Advanced Wars.....
Not suprised.
It's funny, when you play a game like Men of War, which has 40k mods, you get to see how useful those tanks are in a battlefield setting. In the 40k mod, sometimes you'll actually forgo the battle cannon on the russ and get a punisher cannon just for the volume of fire. All other races apart from the guardsmen adjacent ones get vehicles way later and are more expensive. So by the time someone actually gets an armored vehicle out to challenge your russ, you'd already have three of them.
It's the same deal with base game Men of War. Americans get way cheaper vehicles.
I adore games where, they actually consider real world aspects to it.
I mean, Pretty standard guard experience
I like how your phrasing imlying that guardsmen are distinct race on their own.
I absolutely love the level of detail you went into about the lemun russ tank, explaining so much about it, now in defence of the height issue, it is said that the blueprint that the lemun russ was from was for a civilian vehicle, a farm or construction machine perhaps (since half the imperium's vehicles were hilariously originally civilian machines), they simply took the design and technically just slapped on some weapons and armor and decided that's good enough, still a badass tank though
Whatever the reason, it's bloody good!
So it’s basically a Bob Semple but not memey
Quite a bit of 40k military tech was just civilian stuff from the dark age of technology. The mighty terminator armour of the space marines was for asteroid mining.
When they actually find military tech it's usually so overpowered you end up with guns that remove people from history and ships that shoot black holes at the enemy.
the Land Raider also has similar origins though more so as a basic combat vehicle made by an stc on a backwater colonial planet so the locals could deal with local pests (probably like orcs or something). Basically its the equivalent of an uparmored toyota helix with an old machine gun slapped on the roof. The actual weapons and vehicles from the dark age of technology mankind that were intended for combat were black hole cannons amd reality warping bombs combined with fully AI driven interstellar ships with shields that completely nullified any damage.
Yep, hell, I remember learning that during the men of iron rebellion, the ensuring war was very destructive since it was essentially fleets of planet killers clashing, world after world getting exploded, suns being eaten to power the war and so on, it was ridiculous
As a museum curator working at a military museum, I love that you mentioned the jumbo. The chunky sherman doesn't get enough love. Also, I love the idea of random people from history being thrusted into Warhammer 40k, and actually giving sound advice. hahaha
The Jumbo isn't unloved the wheraboos just hate it in equal measure
The big problem the Russ would have is it's too damned big and heavy. Couldn't be loaded onto a ship without special equipment, couldn't cross most bridges which existed in the 1940s, couldn't fit down a lot of the narrow streets in European towns.
to be fair though you also can fit millions of infantry into small european streets
I think the bridges aren't much of an issue for the russ because it probably can cross under water more reliably than even modern tanks.
Can't cross on bridge? Okay, cross through the river.
Can't fit in the street? Well, the tank will widen the street, don't worry XD
20mm of steel makes you immune to pretty much all small arms fire, so imagine what 10 times that could stop.
Not to mention, that's plassteel, it's like steel, but better.
@@GeneralBradley101VA Plasteel is simply the a material with the consistency of plastic, but with the tensile strength of steel alloy.
Most anti-tank weapons commonly used could penetrate that much or more.
@@supremecaffeine2633 suprising number of people dont know this
The Abrams today has frontal turret effective armor thickness of 600-800mm. To put this into perspective the first tank to see combat was the British Mark 1 that had 12mm. That puts the incredible armor of Russ literally 100 times closer to the first tank to ever see combat than our current modern tank just 100 years later. Sorry for the paragraph. Tldr - 20mm barely outclasses the first RL combat tested tanks.
It seems that Vanquishers produced on Gryphonne IV fire 150mm rounds, while Vanquishers made on Stygies VIII use 120mm Sabot rounds.
That makes sense.
Everytime I hear him call the Tank a metal box, I think of the Dawn of War quote "METAL BOXES!"
"tHeY hIdE iN mETaL bOXeS!"
@@GeneralBradley101VA "ThE cOwArDs! _ThE fOoLs!"_
Ah, Scott McNeill. Even if his dialogue is utter cringe, he usually manages to find a way to make it entertainingly cringe...
About the Sherman, small niggle, it did see combat in 1942, during the second battle of El Alamein, which happened from the 23rd of October to the 11th of November, it was the Shermans Baptism of fire, other than that very good video.
Edit: also for the Hammerhead to Leman Russ Comparison, its more like for every single Hammerhead, theres probably about 10,000 Leman Russ tanks, as for production of Leman Russes, you're looking at (Given the size of the Imperium, which is 1 million KNOWN Worlds, so it could be anywhere between just one million to ten million worlds) more Leman Russes produced per day, than there are humans on Earth Right now. Also Also the Leman Russ was called the Leman Russ because... he's rather ugly as is the Leman Russ tank... because the Space Wolves think he is Ugly and so they named it after him as a humerous jab... also also also the Leman Russ was supposed to be (Back before the Greatest Saddening aka the Age of Strife happened) an ULTRA LIGHT SCOUT TANK!
Glad I'm not the only one that spotted that error.
Fun fact: The Sherman wasn't built to fight other tanks. That's a secondary role. It was built to kill everything else on the battlefield to support infantry. While it had no problem killing the majority of the enemy tanks out there (PzIII's and PzIV's), it absolutely wrecked everything else with it's large capacity HE rounds out of its stubby 75mm. The 2 coaxial .30cal machine guns also made mincemeat out of all infantry in front of it.
The Lemon Russ was in the same category. The standard pattern obliterated bunkers, pill boxes, and other infantry fortifications with its 120mm Battle Cannon while cutting down infantry with it's 2 sponson mounted heavy bolters. It could kill most tanks with it's battle cannon but it's job is infantry support.
And as mentioned, there were plenty of dedicated specialization variants like tank killers or assault tanks.
Guillimans remberancers and the ordo chronos would like to learn more about the midevil europa and civilised era great wars merica.
I love 40k tank design. Need a tank? Here's a russ. Need MORE tank in your tank? Here's a Baneblade. It's pretty much the exact same thing, just 5x bigger with more guns.
The first Shermans in action were British 8th Army Shermans, at the 2nd Battle of El Alamein in Oct/Nov 42.
The question is not how many tanks the Imperium has but how many it has in the theater it is operating in. Since the IOM cannot simply take all the Leman Russ and send them against the Tau. It isn't a problem for the Imperium if 10.000 Leman Russ are lost but it is a problem for their commander who will have to pray that the Warp isn't going crazy at the moment.
Well said.
As someone from the Isle of Man, the abbreviation "IOM" confused me for a moment there. Though I do like the idea that the Imperium of Man is not actually a reference to mankind but is in fact just the imperial name of the Manx state and Warhammer is just 40,000 years down that timeline.
A leman Russ would be pretty effective if it had a lascannon, they could go straight to berlin
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Thanks man!
There are even more versions of the Leman Russ:
Atlas Recovery Tank replaces the Turret with a crane.
Destroyer is a StUG like Jagdpanzer with a rare Laser Destroyer mounted in the front. Usualy replaced with more common Weapons.
Thunderer also StUG but "only" with a Demolishercanon. Keeps it cheap.
And the Colossus Bombard if you ever feel the need to strap a (barely fitting) Dicke Bertha to your MBT and use it as a heavy Sigemortar.
"The Leman Russ is the chunkiest tank in all of 40k." Baneblade & Friends would like a word with you on that one!
Think the Panzer IV (Germany’s medium workhorse) and the T-34 might actually have more production variants and modifications then the M4. Not specifically counting the A-J production models of the Panzer IV that went from infantry support to tank killers was used as the basis for tank destroyers, artillery vehicles, ammo carriers, command vehicles, SPAA platforms, and a lot of test hulls for prototypes.
Panzer IV was an older vehicle then the M4 going into production in 1935 the machine would have been pushing a decade by the wars end.
Hypothetically... it would be safe to say that all or most Leman Russ tank crew would be the proud descendants of the pioneering tankerie days of both WW1&2,includes both winners and loser's sides
One thing I like the most is how big the tank is, the crew has so much space and there is so much space to modify it.
My question is : did the Germans had enough manpower to spawn waves of tanks? Maybe they needed tanks that worth ten enemy tanks because it was the only way to do.
True, but they definitly over did it.
Just remember that west Germany, east Germany, and all of the allies had the opportunity to use or copy any of the ww2 German tanks yet chose not to, because their tanks were already good war winning weapons
And the one time France did that with captured Panthers didn't end well for them.
And yet they took the engineers and germany continued to build original tanks like the iconic leopard
Well the Brits were already working on the centurion when the war ended. They even participated in the Berlin Victory parade(alongside Perishing and IS3s). In the decades after the war the centurion would prove its mettle against all comers(M47s, M48s, T55s and T62s) The east Germans had tons of T34s and would have T55s and T54s in the near future, the US kept shermans until they were proven to be really outdated in korea(being handily beaten by T34 85s) and replaced them with the patton tanks. The Germans would adopt pattons. So yeah technology left those ww2 tanks behind. Although many lessons were learnt and adopted.
Although its mostly glossed over after the war everyone did make a new generation of kick arse heavy tank, that would have totally wiped the floor with any ww2 big cat(a rather unfair fight) such as the IS3, M103 and the conqueror.
The big problem with German tanks were that they had a nasty combination of being over-engineered and under-developed. Basically, they were of very high quality, but you could have done the same job with a less complex vehicle with fewer features. At the same time, the short development cycle of war time tanks really hurt reliability, as development of the complex subsystems could never be completed.
This is not true. German tanks had teething troubles, like anything and these were overcome with further development. Part of the myth of German unreliability comes from the large amounts of broken down German armour in Normandy and later. But you have to remember that the Germans had limited ta ks and were fanatical about recovering anything they could. So operation Goodwood(the British and commonwealth forces engaging the German Panzer divisions in Normandy so the US could break out) left them with a lot of damaged or broken down vehicles. The fact that the allies ruled the skies means that things like spare parts were not making their way to the front, so if a sherman breaks down, you get it recovered, you get a replacement a lot when it's repaired it gets used again. The Germans basically recovered it, hoped to get spare parts, then had to abandon it after the allies broke out to avoid capture.
For a comparison the 4th RTR (which had served in cruisers, crusaders, shermans, honeys,Lees, firefly, challengers and cromwells throughout the course of the war(so they had to ton of experience when it comes to what you expect from a tank's mechanical reiablity) were amazed that some of the cromwells drove from the beaches of Normandy into Germany without an engine overhaul. Tanks are not something that is supposed to drive for hundreds upon hundreds of running hours. What is more Cromwells were horrifically unreliable during what was essentiallytheir shake down run around Britian(this is the only time that the Cheiftan mentions their reliability, becauseit makes shermans look better, which to my mind is the definition of intellectually dishonest), but once those problems were ironed out they became probably the most reliable tank of the war.
The Germans rushed their tanks to the front, so they had a frontline shake down, around the kursk, which is not ideal, but after those problems were ironed out they were around what you'd expect from a tank. It's just that things like engine overhauls were delayed until they were absolutely required as from the start of 1944 they basically required every tank they had to be on the front lines fighting.
i was always under the impression that the flat nature of modern tanks was partially to do with reduced detection, in 40k auspex and multi spectrum scanners are prolific being flat doesnt necessarily help you and enough aliens run energy weapons that angled armor doesn't necessarily help you. while having the height to see over things in a city fight is useful. hulls wrapped in gribblies? lol russ is tall enough the turrets still clear enough to line up shots at the tervigon spawning them.
Makes sense to me, problem is GW will NEVER talk about something like this, so it's all here-say, we may be right, or wrong we will never know.
Low exposure to incoming fire=good. Low center of gravity=good. Want higher visibility? Install a telescoping periscope, dont raise the profile of the tank.
@@jadedandbitter Low front road wheel, shit obstacle climbing ability. One point you always must remember with leman russ tanks is the imperium has one standard tank to fight in all kind of worlds/terrain; and the most important of all those that the imperium absolutely must win in, is industrial/hive worlds. A tallish Rhomboid is the single best shape you can make a tank to move through bombed out terrain.
@@Cananatra Abrams get around pretty good though. And the best solution for mobility would be individually vertically moving axles so you could temporarily get the geometry you need to get over an obstacle without compromising the vehicle's defensive posture. Would be a pain with current tech/material science but they have unobtainium like plasteel in 40k
@@jadedandbitter Im not saying abrams is bad, im saying Leman Russ shape is better in those conditions. Abrams can climb a 4ft step and cross a 9ft ditch. British mk1 could climb 5.5ft and cross 11.5ft. I cant find hard numbers for slope climbs but the old ww1 promotional vids show it doing slopes no modern tank could.
When you have a bombed out manufactorum with tangled rubble piles higher that most buildings we make now defended by impossibly large trench networks, the optimum design is not one aiming for a short low profile.
the Cherman is a damn good tank. all i have against it is it's looks.
don't worry there are a lot of variations in the sherman's appearance so long as you are okay with it being tall.
A jack of all trades is a master of none, but always better than a master of one.
One fundamental problem with the Russ...look at where its main gun is compared to the commander's cupola. It would need to either recoil through the legs of the commander (is that why they don't have any legs on the sprue?), or it has a really weak gun with almost no recoil. At least the Dorn avoids this.
I heard that the U.S. Ordnance Department was aware of the Sherman being a 'Tommy Cooker', and attempted to implement various measures to address this issue. The design team was lead by Sheldon Rosenstein, a convicted child-beater, arsonist, and avid necrophiliac. Sheldon was reportedly pen-pals with Shiro Ishii, and Oskar Dirlewanger. When questioned about these letters outgoing to hostile countries, Sheldon replied that he was merely exchanging 'tips and tricks'. Sheldon's team designed a mechanism that would lock the crew hatches shut, thus trapping the crew, when smoke was detected inside the sherman after being penetrated and set alight. Not only that, but apparently there was also a following feature that was a re-take on the Brazen Bull. When the crew was burning to death, their screams would be amplified by speakers that projected outside the tank. The U.S. Ordnance Department justified these features by proclaiming that the Germans would be frightened by the hellish screams of the sherman crews being incinerated, and allied soldiers would be more motivated to fight hard, lest the same fate befall them. Sheldon also later devised a system that had a 1 in 59 chance of setting off an explosive charge in the ammunition storage every time the Sherman's engine was turned on. Supposedly, this was to 'test the crew's luck before battle'. This innovation was well-received by the U.S. Army, but was rejected for budgetary reasons. Upon receiving news of the Army's rejection, Sheldon bludgeoned his manservant to death with a fire iron in a fit of unstoppable rage. Years after the war, Sheldon tragically died in a fire, which he had started in a New York orphanage.
"youre solution is to add more plasteel plate?" "yeah" "brilliant guardsman!"
(looks sideways at the new Rogal Dorn tank, which is even more Sherman-y)
The important thing to remember about Kasserine pass, is the Americans were sorta that set on the idea of a counter attack, no-one thought to say that commencing a dawn attack directly eastwards is a really terrible idea.
It's worth mentioning that the Axis(honestly everyone downplays the Italian role, when they kicked arse here) advance was checked in the southern US sector by GIs dug in on the high ground with tons on 105 howitzers firing directly, and in the Northern sector by like platoon of valentine tanks in a ditch and some AT guns supporting them.
It also didn't help that the GIs at Kasserine were commanded by Lloyd Frendendall, the guy who is widely regarded as the worst American general of the war.
Well yeah, because instead of being a general, and at least trying to look like he was doing something important he instead was focused on having a giant underground command complex excavated in Algeria, even after the war left the country behind.
And that was essentially what you had to do to get fired as a US Army general in WW2.
But anyone at any point in the chain of command could and should have pointed out a dawn attack due directly east is a terrible idea, because you will not see anything but the brilliant radiance of the sun. Because it reliably rises from the east at dawn- the time when the sun rises.
And if you can't point out such a thing to your superior, what does that say about your military culture? Nothing really good.
Assuming Russ was for god knows what reason dumped into WWII and only had the guns that could “““reasonably”””be built and armed with. So let’s say it has the battle cannon and the hull mount and sponson mounted heavy bolters.
So armament wise the Russ is rocking a 120mm smooth bore cannon with AP and HE rounds. Very respectable weapon for that time with only heavy TDS and latter heavy tanks in the same area of guns. The heavy bolters alone would be terrifying as a weapon with three of them rapid firing rounds that could punch through 30 or more millimeters of armor.
With 150mm-200mm of frontal armor that’s very respectable for the era. The Tiger I only coming in at 110 mm with the latter Soviet IS-2 coming in at 120 mmm of slopped armor.
Now that all sounds well and good, but now it’s time to start talking about the part where it kind of falls apart.
The Russ would be horribly cramped. Like making Soviet tanks look roomy levels of cramped especially when you consider how much room will be taken up by rounds and crew to operate the vehicle and all its extra guns. The turret would be horrendous especially with a massive 120 in it meaning the fire rate would probably be just south of unacceptable.
The engine in the Russ is just the engine used on the Panther a ~44 ton tank. The Russ weighted about 60 tons so the poor overworked engine would probably despise its existence.
Even the armor kind of lets the machine down. It’s mostly just flat or full of angles which is normally good on a tank, but A LOT of the angles on the Russ would redirect shots back into the tank commonly known as a shot trap. At 150-200 mms the armor although a lot for the era would still be vulnerable to a lot of AT and tank mounted guns of the era with little to no angling to help increase the effectiveness especially the big slab sides.
The old WWI style track and suspension would also hurt the vehicle. It would mostly drive like complete garbage as all the guns haphazardly bounced around and the crew spends half their time trying not to get knocked unconscious.
The Russ in a theoretical world in which it was produced by some country in WWII would probably end up a weird mixture of the most intimidating, but also kind of crap tank imaginable. The bolt guns along with the painfully slow 120 would cause absolute mayhem for a while and scare anyone who wasn’t blasted to hell and back by it to death, but it would probably be a relatively simple tank to disable or outright kill. A real world allegory would be the Soviet KV-2 or the German Strumtiger. Both extremely intimidating tanks that could obliterate something if given the chance, but too clumsy and awkward in most situations to accomplish much.
More a thought experiment on what a Russ in WWII would look like then anything else.
It doesn't actually have a German WW2 engine, it's an Easter Egg. And it's 120 mm cannon is not respectable, it's absolutely devastating. Even if we assume it's no better than the current Leopard 2 main gun, it would destroy any WW2 tank at extreme range. Also, it's HE round has a lot more explosive force than equivalent modern rounds. It penetrates Space Marine power armour, which regularly withstands direct fire from 40k autocannons, which I would say are broadly equivalent to modern 40mm autocannons. On top of that, it's armour would hardly be scratched by WW2 tankguns. The Russ would be unstoppable.
@@Shenordak see my analysis is based on a Russ if it was built with material’s actually available to a country at the time. So no super materials, laser weapons, or impossible features just hand waved away by saying grim dark. You drop an actual Russ into WWII and outside of the terrible track layout and supply issues it would be a monster because magic Sci-fi grimderp.
But if a Russ was built by any war time power with war time materials it would be a hot mess of a tank that would barely function and make a lot of noise before ending up going off like a rocket when all that ammo cooks off
@@monkeyinapanzer Yeah, okay. But so would, say, a Leopard 2. Without composite armour and its advanced gun and engine, neither of which could be built with 1940s tech, it wouldn't neccesarily be better than a Pershing or Tiger 2. It's like an experiment where they would design the ultimate piston-engine fighter aircraft that could be built with tech available in 1945, and realized that the actual WW2 aircraft were incredibly optimized for the tech available. If you dropped an F-22 into WW2, and they built it with available tech and materials it would be absolutely useless.
@@Shenordak it’s in the same vein, but a little different. Modern equipment obviously would be either handicapped at best or just non functional since the tech isn’t there at the time like a modern jet. The Russ and most 40K designs have the issue of just being kind of crap designs from a functional perspective if you actually cared about how the machine works. Obviously GW wasn’t trying to write some deep well thought out setting that heavily details the weapons and explains how they work on a technical level. They wanted cool dumb space war where everything sucks for everybody who isn’t an ork.
You can check 3rd party designs and find a lot of redesigns of most vehicles to make them more realistically functional. Larger turrets so the crew could actually reasonably reload the gun and not die every time it was fired, smaller guns so they actually look like a 120 not some 300-400mm naval cannon, sloped armor so it’s not just a weirdly shaped brick on treads.
Granted my own favorite 40K tank the Malcador would have a lot of those same issues, but at least it’s lore says it’s a hit crap and doesn’t just say it works amazingly and is the best thing ever like most 40K vehicles.
I’m new to your channel and I absolutely love the content. Keep up the great work and May the Emperor protect.
Thanks brother and welcome to the Core!
I love the "Walking A10 hating heretic/xeno" RUS variant. Absolutely beautiful
The russ has a recovery tank variant, the Atlas. It also has some destroyer variants (what the stug are to the pz4).
Unfortunately, the Fire Prism only costs 10% more than the russ... which is why the guard loses
"Leman Russ is the Chunkiest Tank"
Rogal Dorn Tank: "Am I a Joke to you?"
Mars Pattern Baneblade:
I remember a scene in the cadia stands book, where a group of leman russ encountered i think two predator tanks of the traitor marines. Despite being ambushed and few russes destroyes, the experienced cadian tank crew anticipated from where next the predators would open and took out one of the tanks with only one shot while moving.
And what I want to add to your statement, that the allies learnd how to deal with the german tanks. Most of the german tanks on the western front where destroyes by airforce not via direct tank to tank combat.
As a huge tank and 40K buff, I loved this video. Thank you so much for posting it.
Anytime brother!
"The leman Russ is the best tank in 40k"
Orks: exist
I kinda wand a series of ww2 soldier trapped in 40k just putting common sense for him, out there and rising in the ranks for such genius ideas to impove the imperial guard. Maybe he meets G-man
G-man would love him for injecting some common sense into the imperium.
Inquisitors would get them long before that.
@@jadedandbitterI'd like to think that said inquisitor would be wiped from history after rowboat finds out they killed the one sensible damn near alien ancient human that just popped up
@@coh2conscript851 he'll never even hear about it. The scale of the Imperium is such that literally millions of Guardsmen are dying every day, even RG isnt paying attention to detail THAT minute.
@@jadedandbitter yeah but it would be funny though
Fire Prism is artillery, Falcon is Eldar's primary tank.
Hammerhead and Fire prism: “1000 to 1? We like those odds”
Now I am imagining that they all have shield generators, which they are built with. They are just in their own compartment at the back with the engine. It's just that the compartment has been designated as something bogus. And any tank man who opens it and looks in does not have a clue what he's looking at, whilst every techpriest is dogmatically like: well it looks like a shield generator. But leman russes don't have shield generators, so it can't be one.
Kind of a 'don't press the red button, unless you're running or really need it as the void shields will drain the battery super fast.' To "never on any account, no matter what happens, touch this red button here." Kind of situation.
Excellent video Brother! The Leman Russ is the 41st Millenniums "Tommy-cooker"
Well said Sir!
Also, the Vanquisher loops back to your previous point of "Different variants out the ass"
See *LORE ALERT!* the Vanquisher was originally made by Tigrus. But when Tigrus got eaten, the Imperium needed the tank rebuilt. So two Forge Worlds stepped up, Stygies VII and Gryphonne VI. Gryphonne used a really long barrel to achieve superior velocity, where as Stygies used a short barrel but high quality chemical propulsion.
Gryphonne then got eaten by Tyranids, reducing the amount of LONG BOYS in production, and making the short boy more common.
Sergeant: "Get in the shit box."
Private: "But Sarge... It's on fire."
Sergeant: "SHUT UP AND GET IN THE SHIT BOX!"
12:17 it's not like the Italians counterattacked an English armored battalion with only 3 tanks left operational, oh wait they did it.
"Such ingenuity is becoming of a true servant of the Imperium!" Smells like HERESY to me. What temple did you say you studied at, Commissar?
I will say it straight, the whole thing is structured like a shower thought session, but it does let you think about things instead of just comparing wikipedia numbers to other wikipedia numbers you managed to remember earlier. Shoutout for using Martin Ssempa clips. You describing the tank at the beginning instantly made me think of the lazerpig T 34 video, and then you said it. Very cool
Glad you liked it brother!
Meanwhile: How would a Custodes perform in WW2?
Lands at Normandy > Single handedly takes france in a day > few days later Berlin and the rest of Germany has fallen, Hitler is dead > Week later so is Japan.
*Suddenly realizes that the allies arent loyal to the Emperor either* week later > Allies conquered
Yep.
You sent a single custodis it would take an army of 100,000 to take one down and then again what makes you think that army would do a suicide charge with useless tactics like a certain guard army I know.
Question, if the leman russ is comparable to something like the sherman from ww2, what or is there a tank in warhammer comparable to modern tanks like the abrams, leopard 2's, ect
Well that IS the Russ, if you look at the specs, it has more incommon with a Abrahams than a Sherman.
If the predator wasn't shaped like a brick, that would be it, imo.
Leopards look like proto-baneblades tbh
Just the frame of the tank even looks like a baneblade
You just need that leopard 2x bigger, with gun turrets and a large ass double barreled cannon on top and you'll basically have a Baneblade
A baneblade is more like a battleship on tracks, it isn't really comparable to any real life tanks except for, like, the ratte, but that was never actually made so who can say.
Given the abundance of laser designators, guided missiles, UAVs, combined arms, etc. I'd say the Tau Empire is the most similar functionally to a modern military, and their Hammerheads are functionally like an Abrams; discreet profile, powerful gun, very long range, highly mobile. The main difference is that a Hammerhead's railgun can punch a golf ball sized hole through both sides of a tank and liquefy the crew within with air pressure, and it can also fly to a limited extent since it's a hover vehicle.
those captions had me losing it XD "HEY TOASTER FUCKER, GRAB YOUR SHIT"
And thus did I succeed!
Fun fact about leman rus tanks and plasma, for some reason they took more care of the tank cannons then plasma guns, they don't blow up, but they will over heat. Which is why they have vents built in. Literally to show this in game instead of loosing a model they just get a mortal wound. I find it funny they can't figure out how to make the plasma guns more stable but they made sure the plasma cannon is.
Me about every four minutes watching this video: "MATE! Who the hell DREW that!?"
Fun fact;
A standard Sherman got given a round that could punch through a Tiger mantle with relative ease. Not an E8 or a Jumbo. A standard M4.
In the words of the ultimate boss of Tank Knowledge. "You don't go 'oh it's just a Sturmgeschutz, Joe we don't need you.' You have four shermans for a Tiger because that's what you had. Four tanks was the smallest (legitimate) tank unit." I imagine the Guard kind of does the same. In the words of a German tank commander: "A tiger is worth ten Shermans. The problem is they always have eleven." A Hammerhead is worth ten Leman Russ'. The Guard always has eleven. Or more accurately, they have fifteen thousand in four hours...
• If your tanks are too fragile, put some shit on their armour or even add more armour.
• If your tanks are lack of firepower, put a larger gun or more guns.
• If your tanks are too heavy, rip something unnessesary out and pray that it will work.
• If your tanks are ineffective against infantry, put on heavy machine gun, flamer or even something worse.
• If your tanks are too few, don't worry we got 10 times more tanks are on the way and 100 times more tanks are already in assembly.
• If your tanks are too expensive, don't worry because your tank can turn into scrap and re-essemble as battle ready for 1/4 of original cost.
• If you think that your tanks are ready for every war, then congratulation! You just assure your demise in this steel coffin. No tanks are ready for every war.
*War Production Board and Departmento Munitorum, probably.*
During WW2, when the US army got their new M26 pershings they bitched about it, because the pershings were too large and heavy to use most of the bridges the shermans could use without issue. In some cases, the crews left the Pershings back at base and still rode out with their shermans. The shermans being undergunned is also a meme, as all those tigers people were so scared about were fighting against the russians, so in 99% of cases the shermans were fighting panzer 4s and 3s, hell, they fought Panzer 2s, tanks they had no issue defeating, and shooting 75mm HE shells at infantry, for with the 75 gun was fantastic. The shermans also had impressive crew comfort for the time and was one of the most if not THE most survivable tank off ww2 (it was easy to escape from a sherman, not so much from a T34). All this, while having the same effective frontal armor as a Tiger 1.
And the long 76 shermans, once they were given to troops, were completely capable of taking out tigers.
Similarly, the Russ is so good because it is not a baneblade, or a dorn, or whatever the hell other vehicles might be. The russ i imagine can use the majority of roads and bridges the IG could have to cross, can a baneblade do the same? Can a dorn fit in the same roads a leman russ can?
How often does the guard get to fight in a open terrain with kilometers long sightlines? How often instead they have to fight in terrain where their heaviest vehicles have problems even reaching the battlezone? It's something you hardly ever see in 40K and i wish these things were more present in the media.
The only issue the leman russ has is the godawful armor geometry, that thing will never bounce a shot, i get that is the "looks" of 40K but god damn, that is a badly engineered front armor scheme.
im hungry but i dont wanna stop watching and get up to cook
24:18 best part of the calliope (rocket Sherman) was apparently we literally have no idea why they put those on a Sherman and not on a truck or something lighter faster easier to make kinda thing. Even sources from the time were confused about it. Makes me love it even more. You also left out the m-51. A Sherman I believe given to Israel by France in the late 40s to early 50s I wanna say? It had a long 105mm gun for firing High Explosive Anti-Tank rounds (HEAT)
The German tanks out performed every single allied vehicle in every metric except in the one metric that actually matters…sustainability.
It was easier to drive, so crew training was better.
It was easier to aim, so gunner training was easier.
The design was simple, so maintenance was cheap and easy.
Being lighter meant that salvage operations after battles resulted in a ton of reusables parts from destroyed tanks. I have heard stories of “new” Shermans being built by the motorpool’s of various units from the cannibalised remains from various battles (though these are war anecdotes, so this could all just be tall tales).
The engines though prone to explode when an 88 sneezes in their general direction were capable of running on some really dirty fuel.
The vehicle truly a marvel for its time. From dealing with the weight restrictions of American rail bridges (it had to be transported form factories to ships after all) to simple it was to operate and maintain, the entire design philosophy was one of ease of sustainability and operation.
So you are correct. The Sherman was the best tank of WW2. The German tanks had better armour, guns and engines. And all those marvels of German engineering turned into very big lawn ornaments as the German army couldn’t sustain them. Because they focussed on tactics and not logistics.
And for those who complain about the Sherman guns being too small…they could punch through a Tiger’s front plate quite reliably within 1km range. And yes, the fights quite often were well within that range. It’s one of the reasons why I hate the Tiger battle in Fury so much. There were three Shermans with 2x easy eights. Those 76mm guns would have shredded through that Tiger like it was tin foil.
Define what German or Allied tanks you mean.
The Pz.IV (Germany's main medium tank) has less armour and was slower than a Sherman, and had about an equivalent gun for the latter part of the war.
The Sherman Jumbo (The US's heavy tank they had in service) had armour roughly comparable to a Tiger 2, and superior to the Tiger 1s or Panthers.
To pick out just two examples.
It is vastly oversimplifying history to state the German tanks were better.
IRL Sherman details: check Chieftain's Hatch for Sherman development. "Why the Sherman was what it was".
Until the advent of wet ammo storage, Sherman's were given the name of ronson, (a cigarette lighter). They lit up the first time every time.
Honestly i'm more invested in seeing more stories of real life soldiers, wether it be from ww2 or modern time get sent into the 40k universe. Like the intro you did
Ork players " we gots these humie toy-o-tas truks now lets make em orky"
Yeah dude, you convinced me, Leman is Sherman.
until now, i just save 40k vids for while im pooping and have watched a lot of them but this one i had to watch as soon as i saw it. this is a great idea. thanks. love tanks. cheers.
You are most welcome.
There is book in Horus Heresy where there is super big tank battle. And human crew of one tank squad is actually claping chaos Space Marines in their tank due to genius and experience of their veterán commander....
The IW vs Tallarn battle, very nice.
i remember in 7th ed, me and my friend did a 500-point game. he had swarm of tyranids and was shocked that i was able to bring a leman russ to the game
Always nice to see someone spreading the Sherman love. It was a fabulous Tank if lightly gunned.
The IG thrive on the Man Swarm, and their Tanks are not spared from that. If it's good to have 1, its better to have 1 million. Such is the expansive weight of the human race in M41.
The Leman Russ has no suspension, a drive faster than walking pace would be fun.
The Russ and the Sherman are not the best tanks in terms of design. But there is a Russ and a Sherman good enough for what ever the job is.
Watching this channel grow from like 60 subs to 10000 is insane. Keep up the hood content
Always m8!
Now this is high quality content m8, hope to c moer in the future :D
for a second there I imagined a war table pregame discussion
first dude: [generic Prosperine prep]
second dude: okay so I bring... 250 guardsmen 10 space wolves and 50 Leman Russ.
*they agree and shake on it.
1: *set up Thousand Sons and chaos minions
2: proceed to place 50 primarch Leman Russ mini on the field.
1: wait...
2: oh! no... I just had a easier time getting those than the tank ones. But if you want we can have another game afterward where Leman Russ was multiplied by some warp bul****t.
Men of war assault squad 2 40k mod make me appreciate and fear the Leman Russ even more because it's one of the most durable and powerful vehicle of the mod while being cheap enough to allow multiple tanks to be in the field but because the Leman Russ is so durable that the only way to reliablely destroy it is to use infantry ambush with melta gun blast to the side or call in a superheavy vehicle like land raider. Leman Russ with plasma cannon is the best anti dug in infantry variants, it melt infantry in trenches and bunker but it also cause the most friendly fire incident.
Its wild in 30k this thing was practically a second line tank
Don't forget there were Shermans up armored with concrete as well.
next up, why the Baneblade is the Abrams
T34 was produced in greater numbers than the M4 Medium. 84,000 made between the 2 main versions. Sherman was probably the better of the 2, after all the Sherman driver did not need a small sledgehammer to help shift gears
I've drawn comparisons between the Leman Russ tank and the M1 Abrams. Based on what we know, the M1A3 is actually a better tank.
The Russ is more an infantry tank than a main battle tank. A fairer comparison would be a modern version of the Churchill. It is intended for infantry support, with heavy bolters to mow down infantry and destroy light vehicles while the Battle Cannon is primarily an anti-infantry weapon.
Lmao.
My fireprism is a running on a void capable dropship platform; can bombard you from low orbit, high orbit, drop to ground level to laugh at your corpse, and then hit you from low orbit again; and itll do 800k/h under engine power alone.
And buddy, expensive? We GROW them.
Mon-Keigh on suicide watch.
You wouldnt want to live in 40k unless... You were an Ork! Just imagine, you wake up in the morning and everywhere you look is a good fight.
Truly the best life.
75 tanks with their priests of tech unable to do any repairs due to tech heresy vs 1 tank with ppl able to repair it🤔
The British were using American made Shermans (over 250 of them) to win the battle of El Alamein in WWII, and that happened in 1942...
As far as I'm aware, there is no more difference between a Mars pattern and a Ryza pattern Russ than there would be between a GM Sherman and a Cadillac Sherman. Although, Ryza has a bit of a plasma fetish so it's possible the Energy weapon variants of Russ are Ryzas' pattern. I'm saying I think logistics in manufacture is less of a problem than it appears for the Russ with these parallel production runs.
Of course, there is a situation where the Russ doesn't do so well and that's against the Tyranids who can match the Guard in a local conflict with the Tyrannofex, Carnfiexes and Trygons all capable of ripping apart the poor tank