Dust Vs Horror Vs Killer Sans. Who Wins?
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One additional info about Killer is that he still has KR. This is because he did so many Genocide to the point where he couldn’t increase HP, DEF, and ATK. His LV will increase but won’t get the benefits of the LV, and it’s stated that his stats is the same as Classic. 1 HP, 1 DEF, 1 ATK, and KR
well actually killer has same hp as chara (which is 99) but yes he still has kr and 1 def and atk
Yeah
@@The_Mistake the whole 99HP thing was fanon, Canon Killer only has 1HP since chara is using him as a vessel their souls didnt completely combine meaning their stats never combined.
Oh hey, I have a very important question for you: is there any chance that you could do a tier list battle between InsanityDust (Mirrored Insanity: Path of Insanity) vs DustDust (Fanon)? Hell, throw the new canon DustDust in there too, why not? I've always wanted to see someone else's take on the fight.
I know that there are multiple music videos regarding Mirrored Insanity and that ReveX (the creator of the AU) has a Google Doc somewhere that has the storyboard of the AU and it explained a lot of things regarding it from what I remember (I read it like 2 years ago). Maybe that could be used for scaling for InsanityDust? DustDust is a whole different animal though, I wouldn't know where to start there.
He also somewhat recently tried to dedicate the AU to Coralized Heart but she ended up deleting her CZcams account and leaving the Undertale community shortly after receiving "rights to the AU" or whatever. When I asked ReveX about it about half a year ago he responded basically saying "Yeah I don't blame her." So don't bother trying to dig up Coralized Heart's stuff lol
Random note I just found your channel today and I'm already hooked, I threw a sub at you, keep up the good vids!
If I remember correctly(take everything I say with a grain of salt) , insanity has some sort of soul corruption through corrupted determination , which is how dust gets insanity and becomes dust insanity, while dust dust is dust but with a load of lvl, some HATE and his papyrus can teleport to other universes. This would mean assuming we base it off dust tale the game he would potentially sweep dustinsanity in terms of battle but it would really come down to “would HATE or would insanity’s corrupted determination win in the SOUL battle”
i agree that killer wins - however murder is way stronger than you think.
the save dialog you used also implies that he destroys areas mentioned by save points (as they determine the player); murder would destroy areas such as the lab, snowdin town, toriel's house, etc. I have scaled one of the smaller of the feats (Lab) and got Building Level.
Second his experience; its not 100, far more. the only reason people think otherwise is because that's the amount of attempts he made BEFORE his genocide, in fact there are at least 380, most likely more.
another note is that killer's SAVE acts like normal SAVEs, going back in time, while it may work for horror, murder would get his HP, stm, etc back if killer loads, and know to change his patterns.
I won't even debate that, I'll just put it in simple words.
Dust, aka murder sans, lost to the human.
Killer killed the human aka Fandom/canon chara aka basically God basically satan 🤷🏽♂️ and punched ink to heaven 😀
So yeah, I doubt murder/dust sans is stronger than killer 🤷🏽♂️
@@overtoond4863 ...sigh
alright 1) I'm not saying Murder!Sans is stronger, Killer still wins, I'm just saying he isn't as weak as shown in the video.
2) The Chara used in Something New is Fanon. Meanwhile the Human in Dusttale is us, the player. Murder actually kills us a lot, and hasn't lost since long ago. Killer yes did kill Chara, but that isn't that impressive as Fanon Chara is featless, which is why it scales him nowhere.
@justhorrorlol actually dust didn't kill us a lot
It depends on the player, but the story, in general, literally says dust died the first time he tried killing everyone 🤷🏽♂️
Btw I'm not trying to be rude ^^
@@overtoond4863 but… murder didn’t lose to the human. Cannon murder didn’t lose Nore win against the human. Just killed them so much the player rage quilted. The thing about murder is that he may be just classic sans but with 19-20 lv and he’s a bit more “mad”. But since he can remember er timelines it can make him a huge threat because he can change up his attack pattern to something near impossible to dodge. So in reality, it’s just my opinion but i think murder would beat killer because of his battel in and strategy’s.
@@overtoond4863 there is no evidence or ask that supports your answer.
Great job 👏 👍cool video
Cool video
Wait i think horror has a far more advanced osteokinesis aswell, he has lost the ability to use blasters in a way they were suppose to be used so he resorts in using bones much more often than most sanses which might actually also be a good advatage point for horror
Something would happen probably :
Murder and horror would team up meaning murder can make horror change his own patterns as well.
Meaning it's mid diff if it's a battle between the 3.
Okay thats just cope
@@skull8062 nah, I'm using logic over powerscaling.
@@SansINess53by using logic, Horror wouldn’t even team with Dust sine he killed his Papyrus. You got two maniac’s who killed their own brother, I doubt Horror would want to team up with them
@@IDK-qq7ct ask dusttale stated that murder and horror would probably be friends and i think horror would rather teaming up with someone he knows well enough instead of doing stuff alome
@@GoodOuterdust69 well that’s assuming if they know each other. It’s stated that Cannon Dust never traveled to any Au’s, so it’s likely that Horror wouldn’t even know about Dust. And most of the questions of any Au’s related Dust topic is more so are just if’s questions, not necessarily cannon events that he met up
Horror is very unpredictable (As stated in his character ref sheet). You also never mentioned he can CHANGE THE SHAPE OF PEOPLES SKELETON. He killed some guards by making their bones grow out of their body, I think thats worth mentioning. And also I do feel like Horror would be the most durable bc of the eye being why hes alive. But then again thats debatable on how durable he really is, but im guessing hes VERY durable because killer and horror most likely couldnt live through the top right of their skull being chunked off.
Agree
Agree
The change the shape of people's skeleton part, he never uses it against anyone like undyne, so its possible that he can't use it on anyone near his power.
Why people freak about this small change? Even the first time I saw sans as a character I already knew if he tried hard enough he can control the inside bones... Heck he uses telekenisis even Blood Bending is clearly possible for sans Undertale... Problem is Frick is a Mutliversal 2D child.
@Foreign885 Eh, never proven to be true though.
Finally, someone that doesn't overrate Dust and actually knows how weak he can be. And for killer, I think you did and good job staying to him and not underrating him like literally everyone else.
There some more of killer feat if you doesn't know(from canon comic page, im still keep it)
He one tapped ink, dream, swap sans at same time
He showed up his level while swap trying to talk with him (999999)
Also in the killer comic, the author scale their power as: core frisk >>> nightmare >color > cross> killer = ink > dream> swap
FR bro, the creator doesn't know that Core isn't strong like why?
@@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar well canon core frisk ( im not sure if im still keep the comic page or not)
The only feat i remember that she summon arceus from pokemon during the battle with error sans
fun fact: all characters durability scales to their physical strength feats due to newtons third law. (not sayin they cant scale higher, just saying they cant scale lower.)
Average dust fan
Average killer enjoyer
random fact unrelated to the video : ulc classic sans (not to be confused with ulc sans) is implied to be able to solo ulc killer sans
Can you do Insanity vs Delta Sans vs Killer Sans🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Can u please scale Delta sans if u can!I really think delta is a strong fighter and so underrated
i researched somewhere that Murder Sans changes his attack patterns every new attempt cause he knew the human would remember it, but i'm not sure. either way, I agree with the video when it states that Killer would win
this video sparked my curiosity so i might aswell give my own input lol
dust: lowk, if im being honest hes probably the least unique here in terms of abilities, hes just sans with exp, and he doesnt have a counter to neither of them. hes kinda just.. there😭 idk what to say about him, I know he's strong but he's kinda lame
killer: he still obviously wins, hes basically chara if not stronger, but hed probably get killed once or twice before actually "winning" considering the guy is pretty strong on his own, theres just his mood switches that make him WAYY too vulnerable to either Horror or Dust, they could easily kill him once a mood switch occurs, but hes still VERY dangerous regardless, out of horror and killer, hes probably the best with his weapon (horror in percision)
horror: i wouldn't go out of my way and say hes strongest physically, its just he knows what to DO with that strength, hes got illusions, karma, and bone manipulation, bone manipulation alone is more then enough to effectively handle dust/killer and explode them. though the only thing about that is he doesnt use it often, but that doesnt mean hes incapable, if he were to rip off dust or killer's arm thatd definitely kill them💀
also, that whole immortality thing is he WONT dust unless the eye is destroyed (its outwardly stated) he can still be "killed" by destroying the head but monsters arent truly dead unless dusted (if he even got to the point of near death hed likely retreat via shortcut)
if killer were to land the same punch he did on ink, horror would likely just.. get back up💀 or lay there for a while then get up, hes pretty much the most durable out of the two and can actually TAKE hits. Theres a lot of depictions of horror having little to no stamina, but eh...hes smarter then both of them so he'll probably work his way around to keep up (including sneak attacks he is NOT foreign to those)
If MTT decided to make a civil war :
Killer's disadvantage is that he only has 1 blaster
It’s never really stated that if he only has one Gaster blaster. He uses his final attack whenever he feels like it, he just prefer to kill his victims slowly
Horror plan to fix core is not wrong, its just time consuming/risky and alphy want to do it faster to save more life so she rejected that plan, the send it back attack from horror is basically telekinesis which dust and killer also have em
Insanity vs killer. Both can reset. And both can basically 1 tap.
Honestly, this matchup would be a very close fight. Since it’s likely both of them would have the speed reaction to dodge each other attacks.
Insanity stamina is definitely better than Killer’s, but his Determination isn’t as strong as Killer’s. Insanity human is still stuck in the loading screen, meaning Insanity human isn’t permanently dead
@@IDK-qq7ct ye. That’s why no one made this fight except 1 person.
This fight is kinda like a tie, three of them are quite strong but somehow Horror is immortal but can be kill if Killer and Murder destroy the core with Horror eye on it(if they even known about that)let drop Horror away because we found his weakness and about Killer vs Murder that might be a tie too (this is not Dust so he can’t stole skills from monsters he kill) I can’t even find a weakness between their two.
People tend to forget that by the end of the Day, both Horror and Murder would beat the living shit out of Killer due to the fact that their not as dumb or arrogant as people said to their Fanon counterparts.
For one, Murder is the most experience out of any of the two in terms of battle IQ and experience, with him having the most knowledge on how to kill. People tend to forget that Murder basically know every single way to kill thanks for his previous attempts on trying to stop us the player.
Horror on the other hand, is a fucking genius for trying to fix the Core, and was still smart, though have brain damage due to the crack skull. He also manage to battle out against all of the Royal Guards without the experience and knowledge of how to kill like Murder so points for adaptation in battle.
Murder and Horror lay traps and road blocks that won't let their humans go that easily, with Murder having the abilities to switch attacks when reload. It's literally in Ask Dusttale and in the Novels (if you can read Korean).
Plus, if where going by feats here, by scaling to the fact that if he has Determination, and he reach LV20, he could have the same destructive power as the Human, who can level the entire Underground with their power so their is that. Also with Horror was able to destroy the Core, the largest structure in the entire Underground. Witch Means that the gap is not that much.
Not saying that what your saying is wrong about Killer, and I do believe that he would give the two one hell of a Bad time, but the way how both Horror and Murder fight, it's not hard to believe that Killer would just quit like the Human. This is basically Murder versus the Human all over again, but this time it's a stronger version of the Human, but with a help of a Semi-Immortal Ally/Enemy.
Horror and Murder:
( www.deviantart.com/sour-apple-studios/gallery/60205901/horrortale-comic-book-i )
( ask-dusttale.tumblr.com/ ) ( archiveofourown.org/users/calvan/works )
If anything, Murder versus Horror is more of a interesting match up. First is one with experience and battle IQ, while the other is Battle Adaptation and IQ in general, both had destructive capabilities that would completely level the Underground in seconds, and both have their advantage and disadvantage. Murder isn't as durable as Horror, but Horror can't due Gaster Blasters as Murder can, Horror can manipulate Bones of others while Murder can snipe people with his Mach 3 bones.
In general, the fight isn't as one sided as anyone make it out to be, with the only thing that I see is Killer winning is that he could just be contempt of him keep on fighting forever until he either got lucky and kill one of them, or he somehow manage to overpower them when their guards were down. Horror and Murder would be even more of a interesting match up.
fun fact killer doesnt even have the save point like this person said in the video only fannon does so bro is gonna struggle a tiny bit with normal sans even
Its not a case of "fanon or canon" killer's determination is above chara and has enough to true reset. By undertale's logic he should be able to refuse and save-load.
Horror does have a weakness so there is only Killer and Murder now (I can’t even find even a single weakness between them and being weaker than the other is not a weakness)
@@ERROR404_BEHIND_THE_SLAUGHTER IDK what Weakness are you saying since I genuinely didn't know.
@@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar if you destroy his Blue Eye inside of the Hotland core, he will lost his immortality(or maybe instant death), I’m pretty Murder with a lot of fighting experience will figure it out about this soon after Horror tanking his entire attack and still standing
you put stage 4 pic for stage 3 for killer
I find the killer being able to come back in a save is flawed,first we don't even know if he's got the ability to save and load the save points in undertale are preset in certain points we don't set them because we want to they're already there and killer never saved he only reseted so coming back would mean him having to reset and go back to his world while stzrting his bullshit all over again.
GREAT JOB power scaling them
honestly im quite tired of people just assuming horror sans is ltierally just completley immortal and also people forgetting completpley about killer's ability to save and load
( and also them forgetting his actual canon stats)
So basically you buffed killer and buffed horror but you removed novel murder.
He never buffed killer or horror that’s just shit they been shown to be able to do/the author states and ask dusttale stated the the novel is one possible outcome for dust sans but is even the main 1 lol
@@lordzcy6777horror lost his blue eye but they still count the abilities from it so yes, they did buff horror
@@glunkre yet he still got folded
Ya, ignore novel dust and Askdusttales quotes that he's mastered his abilities and have chara level close combat
@@Asmokedetector yeah ignore his experiences and battles and he is featless for beating undyne ya ya
Killer: the most sadic of they 3 and would prob make them die on a slow way and this is one of his weakness still the best combat and the best weapon still he have reset and save star.
Horror: The most durable and his ability are deadly, wich makes him really strong like being able to rip the royal guard heads moving his skull, prob the one with most status on durability, without his eye it's pretty fair.
Murder:has more health, a classic buffed sans, won't hesitate on focusing killer first and would have to spam blind attacks since on this part i'm counting murder having the blind attacks. (Phantom papyrus won't do so much agains't killer or horror)
Who is prob gonna win? Killer, since yk, he has the power of reset and the op hyper blaster. (Not counting teamming)
Diff for killer: high, since he is a sadic, on the start his gonna make attacks to show pain on his enemies faces, what would make a step for horror and murder surprise attacks.
*Honorable mention*
Dusttrust: most health of them all since on the game it's gets 27k damage and don't get half of his hp off, more stamina, and will spam attacks like bones, and his swords hurt as hell.
This is my opnion about who's gonna Win, you can show yours here and it would bê really cool!
@@vitorcalheiros5486 Murder due to experience and skills of Killing.
Remember, Murder isn't just like Classic, he can remember resets, save and load. In Ask Dusttale, Murder actually switches attack patterns to disoriented the Human, as well weaken their will enough to the point where they can't Save and Load on that exact place.
Killer only best destructive feats is small building level due to him being able to create shockwaves with his punches, while Murder, with LV20 with his DT, can reach to City Block level due to him somewhat compare to his Human who can do just that.
Also, Murder is somewhat resistant to KR due to him caring his own KARMA, which allow him to be determined to stop the Human once and for all. While Killer on the other hand, has LV of 9999, and that don't go well with something along the lines of KR effecting him badly.
@@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar you know, murder doesn't have LV 20 that would only happen if the best case scenario occurs. Plus, killer having a way higher level of violence would mean he has the strongest determination in the timeline, overpowering dust's dt.
@@ViolentAnomaly In terms of DT, yeah, but in everything else, no.
Killer's LV isn't that much as it doesn't effect his stats, and the fact that it got beat out by Nightmare when he destroy the Reset Button, who have Zero Determination.
Murder's tactics, clever planning, and him not going down that easily will not only gave him the W, but also shows just how dumb Killer is who isn't abusing his powers more.
Actually murder killed neo mettaton, what makes murder getting 10k of exp and that maybe got murder on lv of 17-19@@ViolentAnomaly
Canon murder sans can save and load, he doesn’t care about the monsters he killed and have lv 19-20
Dust fans just mad that killer sans is canonicaly stronger then dust
i am about to Dust🔥
Tbh killer got more hp because literally after this statement rahafwabas stats killer got as much hp as chara
I'm going to give my opinion on this video and discover some curiosities/information that you didn't include
Killer:
He has the ability to destroy the world. So your DC level is mountain level and your HAX is 4D.
Despite having 1/99 HP, it Canonically has 999999 DEF, that is, it has an enchantment that causes damage to be limited to 0.000001. This makes it difficult to kill.
Killer Sans easily subdued Dream, and Dream is capable of sending someone to the moon with a kick (which requires 7 billion joules) and both characters are canonical in both Dreamtale and Killertale (even though the bandit group is not canonical in Dreamtale , the killer is, so I think it's worth highlighting this, and some other feats of his in relation to dream.)
Killer seriously injured Dream, who canonically resisted Nightmare to finish the entire Dreamtale, and all this through AP and strength.
Killer easily overjudges Ink, and in a post someone talked about this citing Ink having infinite HP, and the creator didn't deny it. Of course, because she didn't confirm it, it shouldn't be considered, but it's worth remembering that the creator of Ink said that people can choose Ink's DEF and ATK in their stories.
Killer will NOT load and save files in this battle. In some statements by Toby Fox, he said that the most determined human controls time and space from the >>underground
I mostly agree with this but i would like clear up some misconceptions:
You used the term “construction” as a way of measuring ap,dc, durability, strength. Next time use vs battles wikis towering terms bc idk what to think of this tiering.
Ink is canonically featless. Only 2 feats I’m aware of is him erasing his soul and traversing other aus.
Universal dc for killernisnt right bc that is done via dt (hax)
Lets do this canonly.
Killer is subsonic as it is stated he can travel faster than the eye can see.
Horrors speed is not confirmed.
Murder is confirmed to be mach 3. Being faster than all of them combined.
Killer has the same stats as classic, which means 1 atk 1 def and 1 hp. He has no save or load. He can only reset.
Horror effortlessly destroyed a human arm's bone with his hands.
Murder's ATK and DEF are all lv 20 frisk's. HP is also LV 20 frisk i think.
Killer doesn't have feats i think
Horror destroyed part of the core making him building level. Horror has some other feats, but i forgot bruh
Murder destroyed the lab and true lab with a few blasters. Is able to destroy the entire underground. Making him low mountain or mid mountain.
Killer obviously has the lowest intelligence out of everyone. Probably classic's level of iq.
Horror as this video explained is the smartest here.
Murder is slightly smarter than classic as he still reads books.
So who wins?
Killer gets beaten up.
Murder and horror would have a good battle. But i think its obvious murder is the winner. Low-mid diff.
No save and load?
What was the star that I had seen in the comic
Save load is unfair💀
@@OhMyGoodShot It's stupid that Killer's AU where he and his Chara can't do Save and Reload in the first place mind you.
Killer does have feats. If you watch the video it already explain some of the basics things about Killer. However there is more info about him.
Killer has canonically travel to other Au’s, thanks to nightmare. Killer is able to do knock back (while also creating shockwave in the process). Killer has fought Ink, Outer, Cross, Dream, and Swap sans, so he does have some combat experience.
Killer IQ isn’t low, Killer does spend his free time studying biology. Killer also has knowledge about most some of the Au’s that he has visited.
Murder only gets battle IQ since he does change up tactics whenever the human tries to load in back. Oddly, Murder doesn’t get IQ since we never see him doing calculations like Horror, or studying on his free time
@@IDK-qq7ct K
Canon counterpart my ass, that killer is the fanon version
nope, that's completely canon.
@@justhorrorlolI mean, multi city block level is kind of a stretch, but other than that I have no complaints.
Non-biased and As Canon as possible.
Murder has 12-16 LV while Horror might have 4 or 6.
To start,
[Horror is getting thrown around agaisnt these two.
Yes he's durable and I'm sure he can withstand their attacks but eventually, he's gonna be crippled.
His melee attacks are deadly and they are likely to one-shot Killer.. IF, they land.
And Dust has a high defence!
It's gonna take 3 or 6 clean hits to fatally wound him.
The Good thing is, Horror can one-shot both of them with his skull-implosion.
And for some reason, his bones are abnormally thick and jagged.
Meaning, his bones are more durable and deal brutal damage.
The biggest let down is HE'S BEEN STARVING FOR 7YEARS.
I doubt he could contend for more than 15minutes before he's utterly exhausted]
Dust
[Dust's Goal is to overpower the human.
He does so by Pure stats.
Which makes him way Harder to kill than Horror and a nightmare in the long game.
I guarantee that Dust has double the stamina of a normal sans. Or even more.
Cuz, That's The Whole Point of Dust.
And with his exprience and honed skills, it's no question he's beating Horror.
Albeit, with a massive dent to his Hp and no more.
But yes, Horror can still very much win by one-shotting him]
Killer
[So, Killer has an ungodly amount of LV but lousy stats.
However, he's way faster than both Dust and Horror.
Including his attacks.
He studied biology for some reason.
I guess that allows him to land critical hits on his victems. Effectively one-shotting them.
His Blaster is cool at all but it's like a full moon.
Sure, the quality is undeniably better and deadlier but what's stopping Dust from leveling it with 5 or 10blasters?
The biggest hurdle is his determinition.
And dammit, this thing's Over-Powered.
Even when Horror manages to one-shot Killer, he loses anyway.
And there's a trump card, his Phase 4.]
Conclusion.
Horror completely loses against Killer.
Still lose to Dust but has a chance to win.
Dust vs Killer.
[Well, it's ironic.
It's like Sans vs The Human all over again.
That means.. .
Dust Loses.
Before that, Killer is getting mollywhopped a few times.
Killer's lack of emotions and over confidance being the sole reason.
It's true Killer's faster than Dust; and that only goes so far.
He still has to dodge vollys of blasts which can potentially 2shot him cuz of it's damage.
And the bones; he has his own so it's no problem.
Plus, his bones deal fine damage on Dust.
Whittling The Murderer as He dance to his chaos.
And that's only possible due to his save/load.
Eventually, it will come down to Melee.
A Tridant agaisnt a Knife.
It's obvious but it's not.
The Knife wins because The Tridant is for destruction, not dexterity.
For example, it's like being slashed multiple times in one turn.
Which Dust would block but even if Dust attacks, it's likely Killer CAN evade and counter.
(Maybe his knowledge on skeletons might help him deal a crit.. Maybe?)
But If Dust hits him, he's dead.
In the end, Dust put up a great fight despite being Lv12 or 16]
If Dust was Lv20, would he win?
Who knows?
He might even last against Killer's phase 4.
Thanks for Reading!
F to Horror.
No KR to those with LV!!
W
....Trident...?? Where?? Dust?? Dust doesn't have a Trident, at least not in canon, in canon he uses a sharp bone. Also, Dust has a long ass line of wins on the human, and by human I mean US, the PLAYER, even to the point of making the player rage quite, which is infinitely more impressive than Killer beating out some fanon version of Chara, unless ya wanna say Killer is some kinda transifctional god
@@mastermalice4705 C'mon, don't assume that.
Horror's my favourite.
I suppose your right.
Then, it would be a stale mate in melee.
Still, Killer's speed advantage tilts to his favor.
That dosen't mean Dust dies either.
Maybe multiple slashes to put down Dust?
While a few to put down Killer.
Yes, He won against the human but eventually lost.
It's the same here.
Dust won multiple times against Killer but he lost because of Save/Load.
Hope that clear things up.
@@Writer7396 Dust didn't lose though, he actually won, if anything I feel like we can say what Dust did is far more impressive than Killer taking down Chara, Killer just had to kill Chara once in the end to take over, whereas Dust legit killed the player so much they simply gave up, one killed a character, the other killed a God until they gave up, also, again, Dust can destroy save points, no save point, no reset
@@mastermalice4705
REALLY?
Then, Ofcourse Dust wins.
Tho, I've only seen the Orginal Dusttale and the cracked Murder fight so, I'll trust your words.
Thanks for this conversation.
You missed that:
- Killer sans study biology and capture monsters dust in jar to study it.
- Killer sans could regenerate after nightmare sans stabbed him.
- Killer sans can produce enough force to create a massive shockwave that scale him to small building level+
- killer sans did not ever used save and load. Neither chara did.
Chara themselves had to reset to return.
Killer sans only uses reset.
- killer sans should be transonic speed via creating shockwave.
And finally crossverse scaling is invalid, and contradicts itself.
These are sans aus with different events and scaling and feats.
The logic used for speed is invalid as in horrortale, Horrortale frisk has no speed feats, and it goes for them all.
The block city scaling is just vague and lack many context. a human soul Could have the potential/hax to kill every monster in the context; not human souls above all monster. souls.That statement contradict itself as frisk themselves can be harmed by these monsters who scale below small building level.
So that just refer to their hax.
Thus, killer sans is not block city level.
By that logic, all of them should be block city level since all of them killed humans.
That means 1 human soul is above all monsters in hax wise.
First of all, that human soul part is why I said a human soul at its peak. And it's possible that killer can use his determination soul at its peak. And the save and load part, just because killer sans only uses reset doesn't mean he can't use SAVE and LOAD. He didn't need to use SAVE/LOAD because he didn't need to, he just wanted to do a reset. The nightmare stabbing killer sans thing is pretty weird, we don't see a hole in killer Sans's chest when nightmare stabbed him, meaning nightmare wanted to change killer Sans's soul.
@@Foreign885 killer sans using his DT soul at peak doesn't means he's block city level. That's just vague.
Determination Atbest made him scale to building level because of 1 feat.
With regeneration and ability to access to reset. Everything eles could be vague since there's no proof that support these statements you said. Crossverse scaling is also invalid.
2 because he can't ? He never used save and load; he can only reset with his determination. even the human had to reset each time he died to killer sans.
It's your burden to prove that he has save and load.
Yes, we don't see a hole. While that's true. We see nightmare sans stabbing him with a huge tentacle and it come out from his chest. if you used common sense, that means the tentacle pierced through his chest. he also felt pain in the process and was shocked.
Then in the next image, we see killer sans are being fine, which means he regenerate his injury.
@@Foreign885not to mention that horror sans did not destroy the core, just cover it in bones and destroyed small building sized structures of it.
So he's below building level.
While murder sans is stated to destroy an area with save point which refer to judgement hall, where he's determined enough to be aware of save points. Making him scale higher than horror sans, who got knocked out by papyrus's tool.
@@whosthat6048 Isn't including the True Lab and the core that led to Mettaton as well?
Also, Killer can't Save and Load seems stupid on the original Creator's part as if this is a Alternative Timeline of the original Undertale, Killer should have those abilities because he is more determined than anyone currently, including Chara or Frisk. Yet, their isn't one so what gives?
@@KeefeRudyardDelaCruzDigital-Ar the core in horrortale is way smaller than than one in UT. This is another reason why crossverse are invalid.
And the fact that it was rebuilt again by Undyen because of sans plan means it won't be the same as before.
Horror sans didn't do anything to true LAB or has anything to do with it.
It can be stupid, but it's true that killer sans don't have save and load. GT sans has determination and can't do that, same with dusttrust.
Even Chara who was the most determined in that au didn't use them; they reset the timeline when they died.
Murder fans are coping with this one!
I agree with you
Horror=
didn’t horror tear aliza’s arm off with ease in the comic
This is cap but also a W, none of them are hypersonic (the soundwaves, etc got debunked) killer would win low diff here whether you put novel murder or not, since his small town and the rest are small building-building
(btw stats are an inverse thing and do not matter in this case)
Insanity just watching this happened: 😐
Edit: why when I make a stupid comment it has a lot of people replying to me
Insanity would probably be second or third. Depending if we’re using the original creator for Insanity or UTF (given by the owner)
I forgot about him😭
@@Foreign885 lol
Zero Insanity I assumed, now there two issues I found him. One I believe he doesn't have a lot of feats I will check. Second he being redone according to the author.
@@shadesghost2372 that's kinda mostly why I said he would just watch
WHAT DUST IS THESE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THUMBAIL SMOKE? KILLER POSES LIKE YANDERE? What a nonsense, this doesn't fit with their characters. CAN YOU CHANGE IT?
Simple, Horror goes down first, and then Kiler and Dust beat the shit out of each other, Dust likely kills Killer a good few times, likely that he eventually just destroys his save point and fucks his shit up, Killer may be a stronger human, and faster, but Dust has beaten the player, has better stats in general, can counter his DT abilities, and is generally built alternatively when it comes to facing peeps like the human, aka Killer
horror not gonna down first,that video say horror gonna down because dust and killer have huge damage,but damage is useless against horror
@@HORROR-vt1gm how so? Yeah Horror is hard to take down but he isn't immortal or invincible, and personally I doubt he'd even go down from Murder and Killer teaming, I'd say he just wouldn't be able to keep up with how cray it'd be having both of then in one fight, dude might just get overwhelmed during the three trading blows and getting taken out by one of them, though considering how smart Murder is he might actually see Horror as a good help against Killer being able to reset, basically helping Horror out each reset until Killer goes down for good before Murder and Horror 1v1 it out, where Murder would likely win
didnt horror use hallucination on Aliza?
Oh but you using murder so thanks.
I disagree with this video, No I will not tell you why or what my opinions are, And I didn't ask if you cared.
So you disagree but you dont know why?
@@TuPapa... Reread
Never really understood comments like these.
All is fun and games til fdy dust arrives
dust has tecnically 80 hp because 19 less than human that means 99-19=80
That works if we have Dusttale Sans stats work like the human stats. But logically, we wouldn't know what Murder stats are because we don't know how monster stats go up if they leveled up.
@@jeuniverse8460 "tecnically" i didint say dust has 80 hp no matter what
I feel like horror would win
Sorry but the speed scaling is wierd. Scince when did frisk dodge meteors ? They dodged attacks that look like meteors but that doesn't mean those attack are actual meteors plus these attacks are made of magic wich also proves that these aren't actual meteors.
Nah. I'd win.
Obviously racist dust dust (joke)
nah horror will win
Novel Dust: 💀
horror cant do nothing
I mean he could explode their heads like he did in the comic
@@BraylinAquino-qz7gj when does he do that
do you consider the lobotomy he gave alphys exploding someones head
@@freddyf_azbear After he got his eye stolen a guards head exploded then he grab the guards eye.
@@BraylinAquino-qz7gj do you remember what page that happens in
Horror was only able to send back attacks because of his eye, which he doesn’t have anymore. That feat doesn’t apply to him anymore lol.
he buff him,but is possible that he can take his eye back,but he gonna lost his immortality
Canon Insanity Sans vs Canon dust sans. A canon version of mirrored insanity wouls be cool I think
I don't think Dust's damage or power level matter, since Killer dies in 1 hit anyway, but Killer would probably win because he is too crazy to just not come back
Nah I would say murder would beat killer, murder would win in most cases due to his combat, exp, and knowledge, killer has no combat experience, lower experience then dust, and lower knowledge. Dust wins high- extreme diff, murder just wins in more cases than killer.
ironic coming from a person with a dustdust pfp.