I have not seen this channel for years ever since they scrambled in the early 2000's it was the only clear Italian music video channel that plays videos in full the rest of europe could receive. Then they scrambled and ever since the rest of Europe has been denied Italian music videos. What a great idea of economic growth and exposure for artists outside of Italy. Lock us out !!
The thing is that her lyrics are the most uniques ever in the music world, if a person dont understand them (many italians dont get them as they are too deep for the avarege mind) it cannot understand the real value of this artist (by the way i love the fact she says she doesnt feel like an artist at all, she says real artists were Caravaggio, macchiavelli ect). Many fans say the same thing u just said, that in the past she was much better, much more rock, she says people change, she cannot be
And I know her personally as she used to go in the same class with my cousin, met her several times in Catania and she is a next door girl, she is involved in many hmanitarian activities, the fact someone suggested to her what song write and she refused is obvious, she doesnt need people telling her what songs to write. Unlike Elisa or that other genius of the lamp of Laura Pausini she doesn't need to do amiche per l'abruzzo so everyone tell them how pure hearted they are. She does it in private
You are only half right. Considering the subject the intensity of feeling is less than one would have expected and a lot of her current material sounds too alike. There was a time when I could listen to her songs only understand half or a third but feel 300% !!
I am not without Italian understanding. I had more back then I have lost a lot. I made a real effort to understand the songs during her rock period. She never tried to be commercial really so that is why she signed a contract with Universal in August 2001 and had complained to her manager he was not doing enough to make her famous. Oh please. Even her interview persona has often been very much a character I always knew this and it was even more confirmed when she was interviewed on NPR in USA.
Ah and did you know Elisa is a great fan of Carmen? They are good friends in real life, and actually carmen has the ammirations to most of her colleages. In a recent halloween concert Elisa sang blunotte, its here on you tube, I personally think she ruined a song, but still she choose one of my favourites
For the record I never said I did not like Mediamente isterica I was using it merely as an example. I loved that period PRIMO MAGGIO 1999 was the best !!
gli ostacoli del cuore, gosh it seems like the title of a song for teenager girls, Carmen Consoli has written songs about so many issues and things of our (of this world) society, AIDS, War, Antisemitism, Gossiping that ruins other people lives, Sex drives and so many other things that not others have ever put on songs, and the way she describes what she feels, and says its absolutelly amazing, i keep saying u cannot really understand as she is really hard to get, Elisa is much more simple
Mio Dio ! Chill dude ! The moment with the song suggestion did not happen like that she made a big rant against political songs. Carmen did do amiche per l'abruzzo and Artisti Uniti per l'Abruzzo I thought Unica rocked ! It was a great concert. Yes of course pop stars are full of themselves that is no news flash and I would be more impressed if they had followed up with a show for Haiti or heaven's forbid someone put on a show for Gaza !!
maybe its boring for u as u cannot probably understand the lyrics... thats a song about her father who died suddenly, the translation of the title is send us a card and its very touching without being pathetic at all
If I recall she said it in an old interview. I agree she could make tonnes more money by doing easy commercial crap I am not denying that for a second if she wanted to she could turn out hits like Sting or someone and make millions. That is true.
If she was an actress she would have try to play a more pleasant part, also to sell more, but she doesn't, she doesn't care if she is not understood from the mass, she never tried to be comercial, in some of her interview she you can immediatelly tell when she feels uncomfortable or fed up, or if she doesnt like the interviewer, an actress wouldnt be able to do so. I am sorry to reapiting myself, but you really cannot judge as you dont speak italian. Ah another thing, carmen write all her songs
Again, i think yoy cannot really understand as you dont get the lyrics. Carmen Consoli lyrics are just uniques, and mediamente isterica is just a masterpiece, a way of describing anger that is just unique, Elisa sings only about love, heartbroken and bla bla bla, like 3000 other singers do too, nothing original, Carmen is a great guitarrist, learned to play guitarr even before learning to walk probably. Listen to AAA cercasi, i can translate it for u. And no, she is not an actress, if she
I was saying she cannot be the same of when she was 20 in 1995.. i am not the same of when i was 20 either... its normal to change, and i dont think her new works are all alike at all, have u listened to A finestra? Its an amazing song in sicilian, so amazing lyrics, i will translate the lyrics for u if u want. Its very sarcastic but amazing at the same time
you keep basing your opinion of Elisa on one song. She has a beautiful voice she has a great sense of humour and a big on-stage heart and she makes people feel positive not suicidal that is all good things in my book.
Well thank you explaining the close proximity of the show to her father's death. I did not know that. She seems down and moody. On the other hand I am rather offended by your remark about Elisa that is very unfair. Yes for obvious reasons their hormones were in opposite universes. But still Carmen could have shared more with the audience she can be very distant. Why had she vanished before the finale ? Paola and Marina were there but not her.
I even bought amiche per l'abruzzo, its nice, and i loved the trio, carmen, marina rei and paola turci. I think the 3 most original. Carmen was there 2 weeks after her father died,a father to whom she was really attached and she didnt look that great, but as she said, music saved her life, and I believed that as i know music its all her life, not just her job. Elisa on contrary looked great, she was pregnant and happy, but still she acted like a retarded in some way,and her band too.
Elisa doesnt. And would have never wrote a song called gli ostacoli del cuore that reminds me of a cartoon for kids called piccoli problemi di cuore... gosh, the day she write something like that i will think she really got contaminated too
Well there you go you have confirmed both are points of view. Her old material was in standard Italian.Moving further into a Sicilian or a Catanese bubble feels to her non Italians like she is falling further and further down a black hole. By the way I do not object to dialect per se as long as its done in a way that gives to the audience not locking the audience out with a secret society code. I would most appreciate your offer... cinema 2008 at europe .com put that together. Grazie.
I can do translation that is not an obstacle but I cannot put passion where I do not feel it is.Genre is not the issue she could be more passionate in any genre. She needs to meet people halfway but she is not. She can be too locked inside her own world. A person can be a great artist alone at home without a record contract. In public you need to give more. BTW She gives you a character(s) not her real self. When say Elisa sings it is almost always Elisa not a character. CC is an actress.
I think it was even too much that she found her way to go there, also her father died of heart attack, not a long lasting disease, so it was not expected. Thats what I mean she is not an actress, you know in an interview the intervier asked her if her father had saw the video of AAA cercasi, obviously he didnt know the father had died, and she, with a epic face just said, no, he has not seen it. That was just not easy to describe, her face, she was probably thinking, what an idiot
I was not making an artist comparison although I do love Elisa I was making a person and personality comparison. Oh come Carmen not an actress oh please you must still be a member of her cult I quit Consotology over ten years ago. Trust me having seen and known the backstage her versus the on stage persona we ARE talking major actress.
Again I was not comparing content. Elisa is more warm hearted and uplifting nothing to apologise for picking on one song is unfair. Carmen is not a political artist and certainly does not qualify nor tries to be so I think you are overstating that part of things. She wouldn't even write a song for the kids who got brutalised in Genoa at G8 protests in 2001...even though someone suggested it to her right in front of me. She is no Manu Chao or Roy Pace and less solidarity centric than Paola Turci.
Not at all, she is not an actress at all, between her and Elisa there is a huge gap , there is not even comparison,I am from Catania , but even if i were from Venice i would love her, maybe i would have not got all the typical things that only a person from Catania cen get, but i would have still loved her. You should try to listen to some of her interviews to understand how more complicated and deeper than Elisa she is. I like Elisa too, but someone who writes a song called gli ostacoli del
I knoe Elisa's songs, I like her voice too, and she is great compared to some idiots there are around. And Carmen has a great sense of humor too, and its an amazing person to listen too. Not suicidal at all. Elisa has a nice voice of course, but I dont find her particularly original, and compared to Carmen she is not original at all. I like Broken, but still, what does she says? That hard times coming has her bf left her?Dont get me wrong, I like Elisa, but its not an opinion, there is not compa
How do you know she complained to her manager? Did her manager told u that? You really dont even know what are u talking about.If she wanted to sell more she could, she could start again to play more rock like u say, or write more commercial stuff, but she doesnt,I can tell, most people I know do not like her, and not because she is not good, but because she is for a few, not for everyone. Its like food, million of people like mc donalds but that doesnt mean its a quality brand
No way. I do understand the old songs I was talking about the title I thought we were discussing titles not verses ! I agree she can play great guitar but that seems less relevant since she moved away from rock she has not tried very hard with her guitar playing for a long time. I do not like the music on AAA cercasi and I do not think it is such a credible commentary on Berlusconi a case of too little comment way too late.
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I have not seen this channel for years ever since they scrambled in the early 2000's it was the only clear Italian music video channel that plays videos in full the rest of europe could receive.
Then they scrambled and ever since the rest of Europe has been denied Italian music videos.
What a great idea of economic growth and exposure for artists outside of Italy. Lock us out !!
The thing is that her lyrics are the most uniques ever in the music world, if a person dont understand them (many italians dont get them as they are too deep for the avarege mind) it cannot understand the real value of this artist (by the way i love the fact she says she doesnt feel like an artist at all, she says real artists were Caravaggio, macchiavelli ect). Many fans say the same thing u just said, that in the past she was much better, much more rock, she says people change, she cannot be
And I know her personally as she used to go in the same class with my cousin, met her several times in Catania and she is a next door girl, she is involved in many hmanitarian activities, the fact someone suggested to her what song write and she refused is obvious, she doesnt need people telling her what songs to write. Unlike Elisa or that other genius of the lamp of Laura Pausini she doesn't need to do amiche per l'abruzzo so everyone tell them how pure hearted they are. She does it in private
You are only half right. Considering the subject the intensity of feeling is less than one would have expected and a lot of her current material sounds too alike. There was a time when I could listen to her songs only understand half or a third but feel 300% !!
I am not without Italian understanding. I had more back then I have lost a lot. I made a real effort to understand the songs during her rock period. She never tried to be commercial really so that is why she signed a contract with Universal in August 2001 and had complained to her manager he was not doing enough to make her famous. Oh please. Even her interview persona has often been very much a character I always knew this and it was even more confirmed when she was interviewed on NPR in USA.
Ah and did you know Elisa is a great fan of Carmen? They are good friends in real life, and actually carmen has the ammirations to most of her colleages. In a recent halloween concert Elisa sang blunotte, its here on you tube, I personally think she ruined a song, but still she choose one of my favourites
For the record I never said I did not like Mediamente isterica I was using it merely as an example. I loved that period PRIMO MAGGIO 1999 was the best !!
gli ostacoli del cuore, gosh it seems like the title of a song for teenager girls, Carmen Consoli has written songs about so many issues and things of our (of this world) society, AIDS, War, Antisemitism, Gossiping that ruins other people lives, Sex drives and so many other things that not others have ever put on songs, and the way she describes what she feels, and says its absolutelly amazing, i keep saying u cannot really understand as she is really hard to get, Elisa is much more simple
Mio Dio ! Chill dude ! The moment with the song suggestion did not happen like that she made a big rant against political songs. Carmen did do amiche per l'abruzzo and Artisti Uniti per l'Abruzzo I thought Unica rocked ! It was a great concert. Yes of course pop stars are full of themselves that is no news flash and I would be more impressed if they had followed up with a show for Haiti or heaven's forbid someone put on a show for Gaza !!
maybe its boring for u as u cannot probably understand the lyrics... thats a song about her father who died suddenly, the translation of the title is send us a card and its very touching without being pathetic at all
If I recall she said it in an old interview. I agree she could make tonnes more money by doing easy commercial crap I am not denying that for a second if she wanted to she could turn out hits like Sting or someone and make millions. That is true.
If she was an actress she would have try to play a more pleasant part, also to sell more, but she doesn't, she doesn't care if she is not understood from the mass, she never tried to be comercial, in some of her interview she you can immediatelly tell when she feels uncomfortable or fed up, or if she doesnt like the interviewer, an actress wouldnt be able to do so. I am sorry to reapiting myself, but you really cannot judge as you dont speak italian. Ah another thing, carmen write all her songs
Again, i think yoy cannot really understand as you dont get the lyrics. Carmen Consoli lyrics are just uniques, and mediamente isterica is just a masterpiece, a way of describing anger that is just unique, Elisa sings only about love, heartbroken and bla bla bla, like 3000 other singers do too, nothing original, Carmen is a great guitarrist, learned to play guitarr even before learning to walk probably. Listen to AAA cercasi, i can translate it for u. And no, she is not an actress, if she
I was saying she cannot be the same of when she was 20 in 1995.. i am not the same of when i was 20 either... its normal to change, and i dont think her new works are all alike at all, have u listened to A finestra? Its an amazing song in sicilian, so amazing lyrics, i will translate the lyrics for u if u want. Its very sarcastic but amazing at the same time
you keep basing your opinion of Elisa on one song. She has a beautiful voice she has a great sense of humour and a big on-stage heart and she makes people feel positive not suicidal that is all good things in my book.
Well thank you explaining the close proximity of the show to her father's death. I did not know that. She seems down and moody.
On the other hand I am rather offended by your remark about Elisa that is very unfair. Yes for obvious reasons their hormones were in opposite universes. But still Carmen could have shared more with the audience she can be very distant. Why had she vanished before the finale ? Paola and Marina were there but not her.
I even bought amiche per l'abruzzo, its nice, and i loved the trio, carmen, marina rei and paola turci. I think the 3 most original. Carmen was there 2 weeks after her father died,a father to whom she was really attached and she didnt look that great, but as she said, music saved her life, and I believed that as i know music its all her life, not just her job. Elisa on contrary looked great, she was pregnant and happy, but still she acted like a retarded in some way,and her band too.
Elisa doesnt. And would have never wrote a song called gli ostacoli del cuore that reminds me of a cartoon for kids called piccoli problemi di cuore... gosh, the day she write something like that i will think she really got contaminated too
Well there you go you have confirmed both are points of view. Her old material was in standard Italian.Moving further into a Sicilian or a Catanese bubble feels to her non Italians like she is falling further and further down a black hole. By the way I do not object to dialect per se as long as its done in a way that gives to the audience not locking the audience out with a secret society code. I would most appreciate your offer...
cinema 2008 at europe .com put that together. Grazie.
I can do translation that is not an obstacle but I cannot put passion where I do not feel it is.Genre is not the issue she could be more passionate in any genre. She needs to meet people halfway but she is not. She can be too locked inside her own world. A person can be a great artist alone at home without a record contract. In public you need to give more. BTW She gives you a character(s) not her real self. When say Elisa sings it is almost always Elisa not a character. CC is an actress.
I think it was even too much that she found her way to go there, also her father died of heart attack, not a long lasting disease, so it was not expected. Thats what I mean she is not an actress, you know in an interview the intervier asked her if her father had saw the video of AAA cercasi, obviously he didnt know the father had died, and she, with a epic face just said, no, he has not seen it. That was just not easy to describe, her face, she was probably thinking, what an idiot
I was not making an artist comparison although I do love Elisa I was making a person and personality comparison. Oh come Carmen not an actress oh please you must still be a member of her cult I quit Consotology over ten years ago. Trust me having seen and known the backstage her versus the on stage persona
we ARE talking major actress.
Again I was not comparing content. Elisa is more warm hearted and uplifting nothing to apologise for picking on one song is unfair. Carmen is not a political artist and certainly does not qualify nor tries to be so I think you are overstating that part of things. She wouldn't even write a song for the kids who got brutalised in Genoa at G8 protests in 2001...even though someone suggested it to her right in front of me. She is no Manu Chao or Roy Pace and less solidarity centric than Paola Turci.
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Not at all, she is not an actress at all, between her and Elisa there is a huge gap , there is not even comparison,I am from Catania , but even if i were from Venice i would love her, maybe i would have not got all the typical things that only a person from Catania cen get, but i would have still loved her. You should try to listen to some of her interviews to understand how more complicated and deeper than Elisa she is. I like Elisa too, but someone who writes a song called gli ostacoli del
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I knoe Elisa's songs, I like her voice too, and she is great compared to some idiots there are around. And Carmen has a great sense of humor too, and its an amazing person to listen too. Not suicidal at all. Elisa has a nice voice of course, but I dont find her particularly original, and compared to Carmen she is not original at all. I like Broken, but still, what does she says? That hard times coming has her bf left her?Dont get me wrong, I like Elisa, but its not an opinion, there is not compa
How do you know she complained to her manager? Did her manager told u that? You really dont even know what are u talking about.If she wanted to sell more she could, she could start again to play more rock like u say, or write more commercial stuff, but she doesnt,I can tell, most people I know do not like her, and not because she is not good, but because she is for a few, not for everyone. Its like food, million of people like mc donalds but that doesnt mean its a quality brand
No way. I do understand the old songs I was talking about the title I thought we were discussing titles not verses ! I agree she can play great guitar but that seems less relevant since she moved away from rock she has not tried very hard with her guitar playing for a long time. I do not like the music on AAA cercasi and I do not think it is such a credible commentary on Berlusconi a case of too little comment way too late.
why is gli ostacoli del so much worse than mediamente isterica ?
...osceni ? A dir poco. A metro, a volume, a caricatura, ad eccesso, a non funzione, estensione di un nulla !