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@@radiogobrrrrrrr1949 i remember fighting a paolumu, tzitzi appeared when the paolumu was angry (flying with the inflated neck), flashbangs and the paolumu falls to the ground
@@HeavyWings i mean technically the Pukei vs Rajang turfwar makes sense lore wiese lore says that Pukei flees from larger dangers but loves to bully smaller monsters then him and if im not wronge Rajang is actually size wise smalelr then Pukei so in the turfwar Pukei thinks he can bully Rajang away then gets his ass kicked
Actually Great Girros sometimes "fights" Odogaron. When the Player hunts Odogaron and Girros is there and spots them it charges towards the Odogaron and bites it, leaving Odo paralyzed and then Girros focuses on the Player.
Odogaron has a fight with every large monster living in theValentine's, even Vaal Hazak but sometimes he can get carried away in his work. Like when Deviljho appears.
It's neat that Rajang can actually bypass the restriction where Kirin's horn can only break at 32% HP or lower, and that it has another slightly different turf war animation if the horn is already broken
I really hope in the future Queen Seltas returns with a turf war where she throws a Seltas at a Deviljho only for it get instantly devoured that would be hilarious
If i remember correctly, one of the first FIRST interactions bewteen monsters is how Velociprey will attack Rathian/Rathalos in the first generation, but my memory is a but fuzzy about it
I loved how you possibly made us discover new turf wars as I didn't know the late sunbreak fights. A turf war I would have loved to see is Tigrex vs Diablos where the desert tyrant charge into Tigrex only to get repelled by a 360. Diablos follows with an attempted ambush like Rathian but get countered by Tigrex's roar. Tigrex finishes with either a charge breaking Diablos' horn or throws a boulder to stun him. Black Diablos would spin the fight by going further than regular Diablos to launch a jumping attack throwing Tigrex to the ground then finishes the fight with a tail slam. The winner leaves to eat since the fight is tiring. I think it would be a cool representation of both monsters' strengths and weaknesses and would change from the recycled turf wars.
Yeah Tigrex vs Diablos is one of those turf wars I'm surprised doesn't exist, considering they're both in the desert a lot. Same with Zinogre vs Nargacuga; also doesn't.
There are minor details about Aknosom vs Somnacanth turf war I'd like to point out: When Somnacanth spreads the sleep gas, your hunter can fall asleep too, and while Aknosom just sleeps there (with a new sleeping animation lmao) Somnacanth just runs away. Also, with Auroracanth, instead of spreading the sleep gas, it just makes Aknosom fall over. That turf war is so underrated!
Unironically Rathalos' copy and pasted turf wars in Rise are unironically really good imo Cuz they allow you to see what large monsters it preys upon with little to no resource cost. I think that territorial turf wars should be less and unique, but giving apex carnivores a copy and pasted hunting turf war where it smashes a bunch of medium sized monsters... maybe give them a chance to instakill that monster if it is not a target too!
@@HeavyWings i mean Kulu who is famous for using tools (rocks) coudl at least try to smack him out with a rock throw i mean the whole Gimmick of Kulu was more or less that theyr quite smart for monster Standards cause they can use "tools" and know how to use a rock to block attacks ( it understands that a rock can block stuff) so giving them some turfwars showing that off would have been great imo it would also have been unique and funny if these turfwars would not end in a clear winner or a tie when kulu "wins" a : kulu gets his butt kicked cause the oponent is to strong b : kulu hits the oposing Monster with the rock dealing minimal dmg but knocking it down and kulu then runs away some i would have come up with Barroth vs Kulu Barroth charges Kulu throws the rock hitting Barroth on the head mid charge bringing him slightly off balance and making him stumble and crash but the whole speed/momentum makes barroth still slide towards kulu knocking them down too Kulu vs Rajang Kulu throws the rock ..but Rajang catches it looking at the rock while Kulu is kinda "mind blown" then Rajang throws the rock back knocking Kulu down with it (kinda like the ,,well this didnt worked out as planed situation) Kulu vs Bishaten where bishaten bombs Kulu with fruits Kulu trys to dodghe then digs up a rock and blocks some fruits with it making bishaten realeise ,,ok ,,,i should leave and when bishaten turns aroudn Kulu slam dunks the rock on bishaten i could also see this other where after kulu has the rock bishaten thinks its ok then kulu throwes the rock at bishaten and bishaten throws the furit the fruit gets knocked away by the rock and the rock hititng bishaten right in the face these stuff could have been altered quite well with stronger Monsters where kulu trys to block but the attacks are to strong or stuff like Kulu throws the rock at like a charging tigrex geting it stuck in its mouth making the tigrex flail around trying to get rid off the rock giving the kulu time to run away these would also imo give the impressen that kulu themself dont wants to do much with other Monsters but gets attacked/huntet and then shows that hes not as an easy meal as some Monsters think
I only saw the turf war between Lunastra and Velkhana once, and it was exactly in the same spot in the guiding lands, and they were also clipping through the rocks lol
TECHNICALLY the first turf war was in MH2/MHP2nd/MHF2 the velociprey in the jungle nest area would directly attack rathian (and possibly other monsters?) when you topple them specifically in that area, this was a running theme whenever that map appeared in the franchise, i think they may even possibly do it in sunbreak though im not sure on that one.
Honestly, this might be the coolest History/Evolution video you've done. I love the thoroughness and analysis of each of the turf wars, especially since they're relatively tricky to make happen in Rise/Sunbreak. And damn are those unique Rise/Sunbreak turf wars sweet. I love Malzeno and Primordial so much, plus Velkhana's new unique fights are stunning.
Would be cool if they started off with some recycled turf wars in order to have every possible large monster interaction potentially result in a turf war, but then change the recycled ones post-release to make them more unique from each-other. That way, the team could have more turf wars and the community can deliver feedback on the recycled ones on how to make them unique (like having great wroggy spray poison at a brute wyvern grabbing it).
Fun fact about Odogaron. He's actually pretty competent against Vaal. One time, I was hunting Vaal and Odo showed up, lost the turf war, and ran off. A little while later, he came back, and the turf war didn't proc, and he proceeded to body Vaal. His speed and power statistically counter Vaal. It was pretty amazing, especially for me as someone who loves Odo. He's tied with Nargacuga as my favorite non Elder dragon. I like to think since I was in full Odogaron gear that he was backing me up!
I feel like they wouldn’t back up a person wearing armor made from parts of other odogaron lol. Maybe seeing that made them mad and they took it out on Vaal.
I think the monsters in Rise having to move to a certain area before having a turf war is unintentionally funny. It's like they're both saying "I'm gonna beat you to death but first let's move to a desirable area"
Absolute disrespect from maggie with that turf war. When i first saw magnamalo's turf war, i was just watching the fireworks until i got 2 giant wyverns to the face. I'd be lying if i said it didn't make me jump a little bit 😂😂
Lunagaron vs zinogre has a cool build up, but when the action starts they both move in slow motion. Seregios gets a mid turf with gore, and doesnt get to fight rathalos? Magnamalo out maneuvering flying wyverns and elders in the feels like plot armor.
Great video, I think it's worth mentioning the disparity of turf wars that include Tigrex, Nargacuga and Barioth. Although they are flying wyverns, I do think it is important to note that they exclusively have a different skeleton compared to to other flying wyverns like the raths and all the way to something like Legiana. In my head I always classified Tigrex and the other two as "Gen 2 flying wyverns" as opposed to The much more standardised Gen 1 flying wyvern skeleton. I always thought this to be the reason why any turf wars including them were heavily recycled.
I’ve been replaying world iceborne recently, and I realized just how cool turf wars are. I hope we get more wilds info soon. We’ve basically had nothing since that reveal trailer.
I want to see variants of the same turf wars, like for Rathalos has alot of recycled animations, maybe one is he picks up the other monster, but other times he just goes for a claw swipe, or sweeping fire. Additionally, I think it was in IB, but sone turf wars had a random chance for either side to win, it'd be cool to see that in Wilds too. If Garangolm and Lunagaron come back, maybe during the ice breath part, sometimes Garangolm can power through and smack Lunagaron.
Turf Wars in Rise don't always end in Wyvern Riding. They can still sometimes war and then get back up to fight a little bit afterwards when they're cooling down from Wyvern Riding.
Anjanath against Kulu Ya Ku or Great Wroggi feel less like turf wars, and more like beatdowns, imagine if Fulgur was in Sunbreak, and had a turf war with Great Baggi
Fun fact: if glavunus and rathalos fight is the upper levels of the ancient forest and elders recces rathalos is the victor. I’m also decently not a fan of magnamalo’s base turf wars. For one they are all copy and pastes and for two he absolutely breaks my immersion with how this huge fanged wyvern could literally fly thanks to hell fire. Also what a way to disrespect bazelgeuse by ignoring his blast prof carapace and his own bombs not to mention they can hold own against a nergiangte and had the strangth to escape jhos jaws. It’s just utter Garbo to me. It’s just one of the reasons that magnalmo is my least favoured fanged wyvern. Scored is pretty cool for how edgy he looks.
I know that can happen but have never seen it in-person. It's so interesting how they coded that but never implemented in his turf wars. Maybe at one point they wanted to.
If I had a nickel for every time you uploaded a video while we were playing Helldivers together, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
We do see Rajang turn into his Variant of Furious Rajang in MHW Iceborne. So that would actuslly be the first time seeing a monster become a variant in real time
i wish in the next anniversary or just a huge update of the series we would get like a long hour of monsters just fighting each other and see who is at the top but we know the company would choose the rathians
Black Diablos and Diablos also have a random chance for either to win and not just Glavenus and Rathalos, I have thought Black Diablos always wins but I saw it in a quest and I was surprised I guess. I didn't even break off his horns! Diablos vs. Diablos has always been my favorite, Velkhana and Malzeno will be my 2nd, I remember seing it in the ecology videos and then I see it in-game.
I hope in Wilds to "similar power" turf wars, to have 2 different outcomes decided by the monster HP% It would makes sense if the Monster you're fighting and shipping away their strength to lose a fight they would Tie and in case both monster are on equal HP% maybe their Size, the one closer to searching Silver/Gold crown wins overall Ties are kinda boring
In World it sometimes occurred to me that the 2 monsters met again in the same area for a 2v1, just to later remember that their turf war cooldown is up again. It's really strange, and kinda annoying to deal with, so I hope they make the loser be scared of the winner in the next game. In Rise that kind of happened because any monster that can't be wyvern ridden will just try to get away no matter what.
I think you're putting a bit too much focus on stalemates. It's amazing to see the hierarchy in the World's ancient forest, but it also makes total sense for someone like Nargacuga not fit into it and be a much tougher match up for Rathalos. Also there shouldn't be a 100% clear "this monster is tier x so it beats all of these monsters, but loses to all of these" as it diminishes their strong and weak sides
Just getting into the mh series but something that would be interesting because i don't think i have seen this brought up is the damage we do to a monster affec the turf war
20:28 granted in reality food chains aren’t as clear cut as they make it seem in school and are borderline faulty In reality it’s a lot more like iceborne and also very circumstantial
I get wanting less draws for the sake of more details on the ranking of monsters in the local food chain, but it feels like a waste of time when a monster trots into the area, gets in a turf war with your target, and the target monster wins, leaving zero reward for the hunter in a circumstance that really couldn't have been avoided.
kushala is the definition of hydrogen baby when something so powerful yet so weak to poisoning is thrown around by a venomous durian, which makes it quite realistic how it ends up as a tie.
I have an idea for a brand new exclusive turf wars for monster hunter wilds since wild is teorized to be open world theres could be a posibility for more than 3 monster in one locale so i propose a unique feature calling -Rathian vs seregios if a seregios and rathian is this the same locale and both monster saw each other they would have a turf wars BUT if rathian is above 50% heatlh the turf wars would shown as seregios getting the upper hand but rathian manage to escape at the end but if rathian is below 50% heatlh seregios would proceed to beat rathian with no second chance for her but rathian manage to break free and fire a single weak fireball that only pushes seregios away as she proceed to let out a special roar that once finish are followed with a rathalos roar and a dive toward the seregios knocking it down and rathalos came down and proceed to check on rathian before telling her to fly away turn toward seregios and become enraged as a result of seregios hurting his mate that bring to the second one -rathalos vs seregios If a rathalos and a seregios is in the same locale or rathalos was called in by rathian and they saw each other they will have a turf wars it will started with seregios firing some sharp scale at rathalos only for rathalos to swat them off with a tailspin after that rathalos going in with a talon strike only for seregios to dodge it as both flying wyvern take to the sky and having an aerial war fair with each other before rathalos manage to grab seregios and slam hin to the ground dealing some damage and pin hin but gets kick off and seregios fire a couple off sharp scale at rathalos pushing him back before flying away in defeat
I absolutely love turf wars but it's clear there's a few problems, iceborne quantity over quality issue I think stems from 1. Dev short cuts 2. Iceborne Invader problem which results in a lot of copy pasting 3. Feelings like they need to have all the apex level monsters fight, I'd rather have a handful of really good turf wars to show off ecology and rivalry and acutaly take into account each monsters strengths then have a mountain of copy paste, I also don't like how they are very iron clad in power between monsters, it's a very strict higher rank beats lower rank unless your magnamalo in which case you get to be a spoilt child, or 2 monsters that are 5 star must draw even tho there's a huge disparity in power between monsters at every level, some punching well above thier weight and others acutaly being a lot weaker, like mizutsune and Gravious are not in the same weight class of power what so ever yet they are still considered 5 star monsters They have also left a lot of rivalrys without turf wars like the raths vs astalos and Seregios or rathian vs glavenus
40:57 Tbf Crimson Gliw valstrax doesn't even get idle animations (like Rathalos scratching rovks or wood to mark territory or Royal Ludroth hydrating the smaller ones) so it probably didn't get any for developement reason. Its introduction feels very rushed, also cuz the normal version didn't make the cut.
A few things Pretty sure mizu ties with Zinogre. I've always thought of a win as the monster falling over for an extended period, trying to get up, like world, but Mizu doesn't fall over. I suppose the counter argument to this is that by that logic, Primordial Malzeno ties with Velkhana but I feel like the context is different for the conclusion of each fight. Primodial straight up folds Velkhana with a three piece combo definitively winning the fight but Mizu bubbles blasts zinogre, forcing it away. Pretty sure Standard Magnamalo has a the same turf war as Scarred, with Malzeno. I feel like there's a Mandela effect going on right now. I coulda sworn the turf war message popped up between Amatsu and Apex Zinogre but looking up CZcams videos, not a single one showcased that. I wanna go by technicality on this one. Valstrax has one "Turf War" in Sunbreak with Amatsu because it's the only one monster that actually responds to the ambush. It's always called an ambush but to me, it's always been a turf war.
Imo I like the variability of turf wars with the likes of magna and velk and magna and kush/teo Because it properly illustrates why each of them win or lose Scorned and regular magna tie with velk because instead of making her flee immediately, velk actually attacks, however due to her weakness to fire, she would realistically tie with magna whereas teo is the elder dragon of fire and kush is resistant to fire HOWEVER weak to dragon mean that scorned wins whereas regular magna loses
Nobody really knows why Scorned has dragon element but imo one Magnamalo got really lucky and managed to kill an elder. Makes sense why Scorned is regularly able to
For me it makes sense Chameleos has NO Turf War especially with other Elders. If you analyse Chameleos, you can figure out that Chameleos is not a Predator, his abilities are evolved to avoid fights. Clearly you can use invicebility and heavy toxins for offence behaviors, but thats not the deal of it. like a venomous Snake, who bites his prey and let it run away to die. On top speaking the facts, he has no carapace, his skin isn't build to resist damage, i don't know if Capcom ever said what Chameleos is eating, but i would say he lives up to his Chamelon paragon and eats Bnahambras, Vespoids and other Stuff like that and bullies smaller Creatures like Pukei Pukei does if he can. The only Turf Wars i think he would have would be Nergigante and maybe Malzeno in Fact of Nergi can shut down his invincebility and Malzo could find him with the curios who are maybe able to sence him by his Blood. Espinas stands on the oposite side of the Board. He is a Predator and has a highly evolved Carapace to resists heavy damage. Yes his Elemental/Status-abilities aren't that strong like Chameleos, but all over more build for fighting a Kushala than Chameleos, which his Turf War showcases perfectly. I hope you understand what i want to say, my english isn't really good at all ^^"
Did you guys know that there were sort of turf wars in all monster hunter? They are still hitting each other so it is sort of turf war but with cheaper damage
I do have a question. Why is the 'power tiers' not being clean an issue again? Like the whole segement around the time stamp 55:23 to 56:00. Why is is this an issue? These aren't Dragonball characters we are comparing. The 'X monster is MORE POWERFUL than Y monster. Y monster beats Z monster and X monster loses to Z.' isn't a problem, a square version of it happened with the Fated 4 no? Just without turf wars. To me its sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining about something. I'd appreciate an explanation of the problem rather than glossing over it like its undisputed truth. "Its just seems like a mess to me." Isn't exactly a stunning explanation.
I agree. It's probably from his mindset of a linear pecking order, most of the time, and for their to be a power scaling thing. This is an issue with the MH community and others in general. It's kinda childish tbh as it's a middle school like thinking. Not even real life ecosystems always have a straight hierarchy. The food chain mindset is a very simple one. It's more of a food web. It's not really survival of the fittest but survival of who survives. (Which is funny when you consider heavy wings showed that while Bazel is strong, he is not a good match up against Magmamalo due to him being an explosive type of monster himself. ) One day a pride of lions take down an elephant. The next day quite a few lions get crushed by same Elephant. Same with a crocodiles, Buffalo Snake vs mongoose, Mongoose vs eagle Eagle vs snake Spider vs wasp (Sometimes wasps lay eggs in spiders. Specifically the tarantula wasp) Wasps vs frogs Spider vs frogs (Some spiders will have frogs as "pets" while others prey on them. And frogs can eat spiders.) I'm mostly speaking of kinds of animals here as there are a lot of species within a kind with many different dynamics. There's so much more to animals than the basic thinking of predator - prey or MUI Goku beats x characters, X characters beats y, why beats z therefore z can't beat MUI Goku. (I dare not add more names for a reason)
Isn't anjanath a stronger threat in general in Rise ? IIRC he appeared much closer to the endgame than in worldborne in Rise, which implies he's stronger and also makes him being stronger in turf of wars somewhat sensible
It's unclear. He's encountered later in Rise than he was in World but that generally happens with returning monsters in the series, like all the 4U starters were high rank only in Generations. If Anjanath loses those turf wars then they still consider him to be weak, he's just HR6 for progression reasons.
@@HeavyWings Looking at hunter's notes and investigation positioning, it's also pretty contradictory ! His 'threat level' in hunter's notes puts him on equal level as narga and rathalos, which is clearly above where he was in world. But then in anomaly investigations, he at the same reward level as rathian, tobi-kadachi and... pukei-pukei, ouch...
I personally don't care for recycled turf wars. World's turf wars were something special because of how unique they were. They communicated to you about the world you were in hunting. Iceborne onwards, it's just "animations" at this point. They don't feel that special when basically every monster has at least 1 recycled turf war. In my opinion, they should stay unique, even if that means there isn't a lot of them. Turf wars aren't NEEDED for every monster when they already fight and do damage to each other with basic attacks (Yes this is a thing, even if you don't see the damage numbers except for Rajang and Jho for some reason).
too bad most of the time when two rise/sunbreak monsters intrect with each other the things go: One hits the other with the most pathetic attack ever existed and makes it rideable then leave
Risebreak I hate turf wars just because I never see them. My first playthrough through sunbreak I only ever saw like 4 or 5 turf wars in the entire playthrough and attempting to get them
I think Turf Wars should only happen withing "brackets". I will try to keep this short but basically Tigrex, Nargacuga, Brachy and Glavenus are one step below contender but one step above "apex hunters" like rathalos and diablos like you mentioned, and should only fight each other because they will destroy anyone below them. By Contender I mean Monsters like Magnamalo or Rajang who with enough experience might be able to fight an elder like Kushala but most likely will lose. That way we can get all the unique Turf wars without putting too much strain on the Devs. Like i said i tried to keep this comment short but i hope anyone reading this gets my point without misunderstanding it. Basically even Rajang who can win against Kirin should not fight Nergigante or other Elders and Tie.
Tbh i definitely think Rise and Sunbreak did them better in all areas Also for Magnamelo, it makes sense why his are the same given the flyinh monster is trying to get to its assumed safe place, the air, and then not getting a chance to do anything because Magnamelo basically says "Hey! I can fly too!" Also.i feel the recycling for Rise made a lot more sense then Icebornes (minus a few) Also several of these i didnt know about because either i never played the respective quests or i just got unlucky with the monster load out Or i fought one, got it into ridinh state, took it to the other monster to do damage before swapping to get some more done to the first Also Zin and Lun actually have two turf wars
I think Anjanath loses to Diablos in rise, because he is a weaker monster, so despite lifting Diablos, being tossed by him was probably too much for him, and probably broke multiple bones
Love your videos and appreciate your work in making them but this did NOT have to be over an hour long bro. Most of the time you were just talking in circles, repeating your points with slightly different wording. You could have cut the length to half if not for the redundant script
My faves are definitely Tetranadon turf wars 😂 Least favourite are Magnamalo bros, because he's the lamest flagship ever and instantly came out kicking elder ass 😤
@@HeavyWings Not knocking you for your criticisms of Iceborne, just can't help but notice that Iceborne is a pretty common target of ire for you, which is totally fine.
Definately prefering the way World did TWs with the strong ecology focus, also helped by local fidelity (aka no chance for everyone to meet each other). I'm not really fond of the ones added in SB because while they are indeed good quality in terms of product they just feel like overhyped anime fights in most cases. I'm currently playing 3U and I feel TW would totally be at home in this game if they had been added with the pecking order scope in mind; imagine Zinogre beating Arzuros and tieing with Duramboros, or Lagiacrus straight up dominating water fights, but both lose to Deviljho as it's the supreme usurper.
I’m still salty about velkhanas turf war against primordial. It was badass but it should’ve ended in a tie since the other turf wars ended the same for Primoridal
@@HeavyWings I'd even say beyond Ruiner, Primordial Malzeno is an actual Mary Sue in the Monster Hunter franchise where a weakness isn't clear, Ruiner's weakness is the same as regular Nergigante only it's slightly harder to exploit it because of its metallic component
@@HeavyWings I mean very true! Primordial and Runier could go toe to toe and could draw. I figured velkhana is in the same echelon as them but instead of brute strength it’s his ice powers. And while I’d love to see a reworked Runier v. Velkhana turf war, to see primordial slap the shit out of Velkhana and beat him, but still have the same turf wars with Mag and Lunagaron was almost insulting in a sense. I may just be a huge Velkhana fan and that’s blinding me but I just wanted a little more out of it
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Love u bro, keep up with the good work
Fun fact: the reason why damage numbers were added in 5th gen is so that players would know how much damage monsters dealt each other in turf wars
That 20th anniversary video was so good
@@HeavyWings agreed, I find it fitting that bazelgeuse was in 52nd place
@@HeavyWings never been so focused on an interview before lmao.
It’s also 10% of their max hp, which is great.
Turf wars indirectly lead to a shittier multiplayer experience🥲🥲🥲🥲.
I love that the tzitzi just flashbangs and then leaves
First time I witnessed that I just went:
“Motherfucker, don’t leave me with a blinded Odogaron!”
@@radiogobrrrrrrr1949 i remember fighting a paolumu, tzitzi appeared when the paolumu was angry (flying with the inflated neck), flashbangs and the paolumu falls to the ground
@@ArtDumbsterBro just flashes and dips without elaborating. He just says “Shut up!”
@@31thievesWhen it flashes Odogaron, Odog bites it and screams at it.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 I just saw the turf war and you’re right. I do apologize for my earlier oversight.
I truly loved the concept of turf wars when I first saw them and felt like it gave the games a lot more of that real life feel with the ecology
Yeah they're pretty good!
The fact that Pukei didn't have a base World turf war but got one with Rajang in IB will never not be funny to me
They made sure to carry it over for Rise too lmao
I can almost see Pukei's face light up in excitement since it got a turf war only for it to fade away as soon as it realize it was with a Rajang lmao
Pukei :
I finally got a turf war 😄
Its against rajang 😟
Pukei: Why did it have to be Rajang?
@@HeavyWings i mean technically the Pukei vs Rajang turfwar makes sense lore wiese
lore says that Pukei flees from larger dangers but loves to bully smaller monsters then him
and if im not wronge Rajang is actually size wise smalelr then Pukei
so in the turfwar Pukei thinks he can bully Rajang away then gets his ass kicked
Bishaten vs Almudron goes so hard for no reasons but I love it
It's a really underrated turf war!
Actually Great Girros sometimes "fights" Odogaron. When the Player hunts Odogaron and Girros is there and spots them it charges towards the Odogaron and bites it, leaving Odo paralyzed and then Girros focuses on the Player.
Odogaron has a fight with every large monster living in theValentine's, even Vaal Hazak but sometimes he can get carried away in his work. Like when Deviljho appears.
It's neat that Rajang can actually bypass the restriction where Kirin's horn can only break at 32% HP or lower, and that it has another slightly different turf war animation if the horn is already broken
That's something I should have mentioned, yeah
I hope they use the turf wars like in base World in Wilds. Learning the pecking order that way was awesome!
I hope so too!
"the standard anjanath we all know and.... know" NOOO LEAVE HIM ALONE
NEVER!
Leave my baby boy go. Anjanath my baby boy
I’m convinced that if capcom made a fighting game with monsters it would sell like crazy
nah, i want 'The Isle' but monster hunter monsters.
Rajang would be the most powerful fighter and the game would die within weeks, sadly :(
Never played monster hunter rise?
Monster Hunter: The Pokémon Edition.
I'd main Glavenus 100%
I really hope in the future Queen Seltas returns with a turf war where she throws a Seltas at a Deviljho only for it get instantly devoured that would be hilarious
If i remember correctly, one of the first FIRST interactions bewteen monsters is how Velociprey will attack Rathian/Rathalos in the first generation, but my memory is a but fuzzy about it
I loved how you possibly made us discover new turf wars as I didn't know the late sunbreak fights. A turf war I would have loved to see is Tigrex vs Diablos where the desert tyrant charge into Tigrex only to get repelled by a 360. Diablos follows with an attempted ambush like Rathian but get countered by Tigrex's roar. Tigrex finishes with either a charge breaking Diablos' horn or throws a boulder to stun him. Black Diablos would spin the fight by going further than regular Diablos to launch a jumping attack throwing Tigrex to the ground then finishes the fight with a tail slam. The winner leaves to eat since the fight is tiring.
I think it would be a cool representation of both monsters' strengths and weaknesses and would change from the recycled turf wars.
I didn't know there was a Turf War Between Alm and Bishitan but that might just be because I didn't encounter the two often on the same quest
Yeah Tigrex vs Diablos is one of those turf wars I'm surprised doesn't exist, considering they're both in the desert a lot.
Same with Zinogre vs Nargacuga; also doesn't.
@@HeavyWingsIt would be cool if weirder monsters like Kezu or the crabs to get a turf war that why I would like old monsters to come back
There are minor details about Aknosom vs Somnacanth turf war I'd like to point out:
When Somnacanth spreads the sleep gas, your hunter can fall asleep too, and while Aknosom just sleeps there (with a new sleeping animation lmao) Somnacanth just runs away.
Also, with Auroracanth, instead of spreading the sleep gas, it just makes Aknosom fall over.
That turf war is so underrated!
Auroracanth smacking Aknosom out of the sky and then to the side just because will never not be funny to me
@@JustZen53122 pure disrespect
Unironically
Rathalos' copy and pasted turf wars in Rise are unironically really good imo
Cuz they allow you to see what large monsters it preys upon with little to no resource cost.
I think that territorial turf wars should be less and unique, but giving apex carnivores a copy and pasted hunting turf war where it smashes a bunch of medium sized monsters... maybe give them a chance to instakill that monster if it is not a target too!
Yeah not all recycled turf wars are bad, those Rathalos ones still work well because there's not much his opponents can do against him.
@@HeavyWings i mean Kulu who is famous for using tools (rocks) coudl at least try to smack him out with a rock throw
i mean the whole Gimmick of Kulu was more or less that theyr quite smart for monster Standards cause they can use "tools" and know how to use a rock to block attacks ( it understands that a rock can block stuff)
so giving them some turfwars showing that off would have been great
imo it would also have been unique and funny if these turfwars would not end in a clear winner or a tie when kulu "wins"
a : kulu gets his butt kicked cause the oponent is to strong
b : kulu hits the oposing Monster with the rock dealing minimal dmg but knocking it down and kulu then runs away
some i would have come up with
Barroth vs Kulu Barroth charges Kulu throws the rock hitting Barroth on the head mid charge bringing him slightly off balance and making him stumble and crash but the whole speed/momentum makes barroth still slide towards kulu knocking them down too
Kulu vs Rajang
Kulu throws the rock ..but Rajang catches it looking at the rock while Kulu is kinda "mind blown" then Rajang throws the rock back knocking Kulu down with it
(kinda like the ,,well this didnt worked out as planed situation)
Kulu vs Bishaten
where bishaten bombs Kulu with fruits Kulu trys to dodghe then digs up a rock and blocks some fruits with it
making bishaten realeise ,,ok ,,,i should leave
and when bishaten turns aroudn Kulu slam dunks the rock on bishaten
i could also see this other where after kulu has the rock bishaten thinks its ok
then kulu throwes the rock at bishaten and bishaten throws the furit
the fruit gets knocked away by the rock and the rock hititng bishaten right in the face
these stuff could have been altered quite well
with stronger Monsters where kulu trys to block but the attacks are to strong
or stuff like Kulu throws the rock at like a charging tigrex geting it stuck in its mouth making the tigrex flail around trying to get rid off the rock giving the kulu time to run away
these would also imo give the impressen that kulu themself dont wants to do much with other Monsters
but gets attacked/huntet and then shows that hes not as an easy meal as some Monsters think
I only saw the turf war between Lunastra and Velkhana once, and it was exactly in the same spot in the guiding lands, and they were also clipping through the rocks lol
Yeah that turf war was definitely built for the open air lmao.
TECHNICALLY the first turf war was in MH2/MHP2nd/MHF2
the velociprey in the jungle nest area would directly attack rathian (and possibly other monsters?) when you topple them specifically in that area, this was a running theme whenever that map appeared in the franchise, i think they may even possibly do it in sunbreak though im not sure on that one.
Honestly, this might be the coolest History/Evolution video you've done. I love the thoroughness and analysis of each of the turf wars, especially since they're relatively tricky to make happen in Rise/Sunbreak. And damn are those unique Rise/Sunbreak turf wars sweet. I love Malzeno and Primordial so much, plus Velkhana's new unique fights are stunning.
Would be cool if they started off with some recycled turf wars in order to have every possible large monster interaction potentially result in a turf war, but then change the recycled ones post-release to make them more unique from each-other. That way, the team could have more turf wars and the community can deliver feedback on the recycled ones on how to make them unique (like having great wroggy spray poison at a brute wyvern grabbing it).
This is by far one of the best video from you. I love long detailed video. Keep it up. Hope to see more from older titles and new one too.🏅
Thank you!
Deviljoh: uses its immensely powerful jaws to lift prey off the ground.
Rajang: HERE COMES A GIANT FIST!!!!.
Fun fact about Odogaron. He's actually pretty competent against Vaal.
One time, I was hunting Vaal and Odo showed up, lost the turf war, and ran off. A little while later, he came back, and the turf war didn't proc, and he proceeded to body Vaal. His speed and power statistically counter Vaal. It was pretty amazing, especially for me as someone who loves Odo. He's tied with Nargacuga as my favorite non Elder dragon. I like to think since I was in full Odogaron gear that he was backing me up!
I feel like they wouldn’t back up a person wearing armor made from parts of other odogaron lol. Maybe seeing that made them mad and they took it out on Vaal.
This was really well done, I hope there is a history of final bosses in the future.
I think the monsters in Rise having to move to a certain area before having a turf war is unintentionally funny. It's like they're both saying "I'm gonna beat you to death but first let's move to a desirable area"
49:08 If you could catch it at the end, Apex Zinogre tries to make a final stand but ultimately succumbs and becomes rideable.
It's awesome lol, he breaks out like the other Apexes do, so Amatsu smacks him again.
@@HeavyWings Also you and Utsushi ride him together instead of just you.
Absolute disrespect from maggie with that turf war. When i first saw magnamalo's turf war, i was just watching the fireworks until i got 2 giant wyverns to the face. I'd be lying if i said it didn't make me jump a little bit 😂😂
Lunagaron vs zinogre has a cool build up, but when the action starts they both move in slow motion.
Seregios gets a mid turf with gore, and doesnt get to fight rathalos?
Magnamalo out maneuvering flying wyverns and elders in the feels like plot armor.
It was a huge missed opportunity to not see Seregios and Astalos battle
Rathalos and Rathian in Sunbreak
Magnamalo should not have tied against elders
9:16
Bazelgeuse: let my introduce myself
Great video, I think it's worth mentioning the disparity of turf wars that include Tigrex, Nargacuga and Barioth. Although they are flying wyverns, I do think it is important to note that they exclusively have a different skeleton compared to to other flying wyverns like the raths and all the way to something like Legiana. In my head I always classified Tigrex and the other two as "Gen 2 flying wyverns" as opposed to The much more standardised Gen 1 flying wyvern skeleton. I always thought this to be the reason why any turf wars including them were heavily recycled.
I’ve been replaying world iceborne recently, and I realized just how cool turf wars are. I hope we get more wilds info soon. We’ve basically had nothing since that reveal trailer.
Let them cook. I reckon we'll see the next trailer at Summer Game Fest.
I want to see variants of the same turf wars, like for Rathalos has alot of recycled animations, maybe one is he picks up the other monster, but other times he just goes for a claw swipe, or sweeping fire.
Additionally, I think it was in IB, but sone turf wars had a random chance for either side to win, it'd be cool to see that in Wilds too. If Garangolm and Lunagaron come back, maybe during the ice breath part, sometimes Garangolm can power through and smack Lunagaron.
LET THEM FIGHT !!
Turf Wars in Rise don't always end in Wyvern Riding. They can still sometimes war and then get back up to fight a little bit afterwards when they're cooling down from Wyvern Riding.
Anjanath against Kulu Ya Ku or Great Wroggi feel less like turf wars, and more like beatdowns, imagine if Fulgur was in Sunbreak, and had a turf war with Great Baggi
God it really feels like their poor necks are about to snap, the way their bodies flop around
Malzeno and Velkhana’s turf war gives off real divorced energy ngl
I never even noticed the recycling of turf wars. They all looked so cool to me. Monke vs elder dragons makes me wonder how it would fair vs fatalis.
Fun fact: if glavunus and rathalos fight is the upper levels of the ancient forest and elders recces rathalos is the victor.
I’m also decently not a fan of magnamalo’s base turf wars. For one they are all copy and pastes and for two he absolutely breaks my immersion with how this huge fanged wyvern could literally fly thanks to hell fire.
Also what a way to disrespect bazelgeuse by ignoring his blast prof carapace and his own bombs not to mention they can hold own against a nergiangte and had the strangth to escape jhos jaws. It’s just utter Garbo to me.
It’s just one of the reasons that magnalmo is my least favoured fanged wyvern. Scored is pretty cool for how edgy he looks.
Sunbreak goes really hard with its turf wars
While not part of the turf wars, at the very least Brachy can put slime on other monsters, which later explodes. Such wasted potential
I know that can happen but have never seen it in-person. It's so interesting how they coded that but never implemented in his turf wars. Maybe at one point they wanted to.
@@HeavyWings i know right
If I had a nickel for every time you uploaded a video while we were playing Helldivers together, I'd have 2 nickels.
Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
We do see Rajang turn into his Variant of Furious Rajang in MHW Iceborne. So that would actuslly be the first time seeing a monster become a variant in real time
i wish in the next anniversary or just a huge update of the series we would get like a long hour of monsters just fighting each other and see who is at the top but we know the company would choose the rathians
I literally only knew of magnalamo turfwars in Rise
Without this vid i would've never seen any other rise turfwar
Yeah it's mad, there's quite a few!
Fun Fact everyone Chaotic Gore Magala can Turf War with Seregios bc of a later patch :)
Video or it never happened.
@HeavyWings much like the Malzeno VS Velkhana Turf War, expedition or Anomaly Investigations.
Black Diablos and Diablos also have a random chance for either to win and not just Glavenus and Rathalos, I have thought Black Diablos always wins but I saw it in a quest and I was surprised I guess. I didn't even break off his horns! Diablos vs. Diablos has always been my favorite, Velkhana and Malzeno will be my 2nd, I remember seing it in the ecology videos and then I see it in-game.
Here are 3 turf wars I want to see in the future.
1.Gravios vs Rajang
2.Magnamalo vs Zinogre
3.Goss Harag vs Rajang
Man gravios vs akantor turf war but in real gameplay and not just in ecology cinematic video would be so damn awesome
I hope in Wilds to "similar power" turf wars, to have 2 different outcomes decided by the monster HP%
It would makes sense if the Monster you're fighting and shipping away their strength to lose a fight they would Tie
and in case both monster are on equal HP% maybe their Size, the one closer to searching Silver/Gold crown wins
overall Ties are kinda boring
In World it sometimes occurred to me that the 2 monsters met again in the same area for a 2v1, just to later remember that their turf war cooldown is up again. It's really strange, and kinda annoying to deal with, so I hope they make the loser be scared of the winner in the next game. In Rise that kind of happened because any monster that can't be wyvern ridden will just try to get away no matter what.
I think you're putting a bit too much focus on stalemates. It's amazing to see the hierarchy in the World's ancient forest, but it also makes total sense for someone like Nargacuga not fit into it and be a much tougher match up for Rathalos. Also there shouldn't be a 100% clear "this monster is tier x so it beats all of these monsters, but loses to all of these" as it diminishes their strong and weak sides
Yep, it is why I wish Bazel and jho had two turf wars one with Bazel as the aggressor and one with jho as the aggressor to show this
Just getting into the mh series but something that would be interesting because i don't think i have seen this brought up is the damage we do to a monster affec the turf war
Still waiting on a unique turf war between Rajang and Brachydios
20:28 granted in reality food chains aren’t as clear cut as they make it seem in school and are borderline faulty
In reality it’s a lot more like iceborne and also very circumstantial
I get wanting less draws for the sake of more details on the ranking of monsters in the local food chain, but it feels like a waste of time when a monster trots into the area, gets in a turf war with your target, and the target monster wins, leaving zero reward for the hunter in a circumstance that really couldn't have been avoided.
kushala is the definition of hydrogen baby when something so powerful yet so weak to poisoning is thrown around by a venomous durian, which makes it quite realistic how it ends up as a tie.
It also makes lore sense since espinas has been known to attack and drive off Kushala in the past
I’m still pissed brachy doesn’t absolutely beat the shit outta the raths with his fist.
I have an idea for a brand new exclusive turf wars for monster hunter wilds since wild is teorized to be open world theres could be a posibility for more than 3 monster in one locale so i propose a unique feature calling
-Rathian vs seregios
if a seregios and rathian is this the same locale and both monster saw each other they would have a turf wars BUT if rathian is above 50% heatlh the turf wars would shown as seregios getting the upper hand but rathian manage to escape at the end but if rathian is below 50% heatlh seregios would proceed to beat rathian with no second chance for her but rathian manage to break free and fire a single weak fireball that only pushes seregios away as she proceed to let out a special roar that once finish are followed with a rathalos roar and a dive toward the seregios knocking it down and rathalos came down and proceed to check on rathian before telling her to fly away turn toward seregios and become enraged as a result of seregios hurting his mate that bring to the second one
-rathalos vs seregios
If a rathalos and a seregios is in the same locale or rathalos was called in by rathian and they saw each other they will have a turf wars it will started with seregios firing some sharp scale at rathalos only for rathalos to swat them off with a tailspin after that rathalos going in with a talon strike only for seregios to dodge it as both flying wyvern take to the sky and having an aerial war fair with each other before rathalos manage to grab seregios and slam hin to the ground dealing some damage and pin hin but gets kick off and seregios fire a couple off sharp scale at rathalos pushing him back before flying away in defeat
I absolutely love turf wars but it's clear there's a few problems, iceborne quantity over quality issue I think stems from
1. Dev short cuts
2. Iceborne Invader problem which results in a lot of copy pasting
3. Feelings like they need to have all the apex level monsters fight, I'd rather have a handful of really good turf wars to show off ecology and rivalry and acutaly take into account each monsters strengths then have a mountain of copy paste,
I also don't like how they are very iron clad in power between monsters, it's a very strict higher rank beats lower rank unless your magnamalo in which case you get to be a spoilt child, or 2 monsters that are 5 star must draw even tho there's a huge disparity in power between monsters at every level, some punching well above thier weight and others acutaly being a lot weaker, like mizutsune and Gravious are not in the same weight class of power what so ever yet they are still considered 5 star monsters
They have also left a lot of rivalrys without turf wars like the raths vs astalos and Seregios or rathian vs glavenus
40:57 Tbf Crimson Gliw valstrax doesn't even get idle animations (like Rathalos scratching rovks or wood to mark territory or Royal Ludroth hydrating the smaller ones) so it probably didn't get any for developement reason.
Its introduction feels very rushed, also cuz the normal version didn't make the cut.
I didn't know that about Valstrax in Rise
i always treat TURF WARS as environmental traps but more random.
overall they're awesome audition in the series.
Environmental traps were pretty cool, but I can only remember them happening in the Ancient Forest
Chaotic Gore Magala does have a turf war but it's the same animation as the base form against Seregios.
I don't think that's true.
@@HeavyWings
czcams.com/video/yeZyW5dzzjI/video.html
A few things
Pretty sure mizu ties with Zinogre. I've always thought of a win as the monster falling over for an extended period, trying to get up, like world, but Mizu doesn't fall over. I suppose the counter argument to this is that by that logic, Primordial Malzeno ties with Velkhana but I feel like the context is different for the conclusion of each fight. Primodial straight up folds Velkhana with a three piece combo definitively winning the fight but Mizu bubbles blasts zinogre, forcing it away.
Pretty sure Standard Magnamalo has a the same turf war as Scarred, with Malzeno.
I feel like there's a Mandela effect going on right now. I coulda sworn the turf war message popped up between Amatsu and Apex Zinogre but looking up CZcams videos, not a single one showcased that.
I wanna go by technicality on this one. Valstrax has one "Turf War" in Sunbreak with Amatsu because it's the only one monster that actually responds to the ambush. It's always called an ambush but to me, it's always been a turf war.
nice vid bro
Thank you!
36:50 I don’t like the idea of turf wars being inherent to strength alone and not other factors
I put 1,200 hours into rise/sunbreak and the only turf war I saw outside of magnamalo vs.... was tetranadon vs arzuros
Man that sucks
Sunbreak basically said "Power Levels are bullshit "
Imo I like the variability of turf wars with the likes of magna and velk and magna and kush/teo
Because it properly illustrates why each of them win or lose
Scorned and regular magna tie with velk because instead of making her flee immediately, velk actually attacks, however due to her weakness to fire, she would realistically tie with magna
whereas teo is the elder dragon of fire and kush is resistant to fire HOWEVER weak to dragon mean that scorned wins whereas regular magna loses
Nobody really knows why Scorned has dragon element but imo one Magnamalo got really lucky and managed to kill an elder. Makes sense why Scorned is regularly able to
Awesome if capcom had a monster hunter fighting game.
For me it makes sense Chameleos has NO Turf War especially with other Elders.
If you analyse Chameleos, you can figure out that Chameleos is not a Predator, his abilities are evolved to avoid fights. Clearly you can use invicebility and heavy toxins for offence behaviors, but thats not the deal of it. like a venomous Snake, who bites his prey and let it run away to die. On top speaking the facts, he has no carapace, his skin isn't build to resist damage, i don't know if Capcom ever said what Chameleos is eating, but i would say he lives up to his Chamelon paragon and eats Bnahambras, Vespoids and other Stuff like that and bullies smaller Creatures like Pukei Pukei does if he can. The only Turf Wars i think he would have would be Nergigante and maybe Malzeno in Fact of Nergi can shut down his invincebility and Malzo could find him with the curios who are maybe able to sence him by his Blood.
Espinas stands on the oposite side of the Board. He is a Predator and has a highly evolved Carapace to resists heavy damage. Yes his Elemental/Status-abilities aren't that strong like Chameleos, but all over more build for fighting a Kushala than Chameleos, which his Turf War showcases perfectly.
I hope you understand what i want to say, my english isn't really good at all ^^"
9:14. average bazelgeuse molment
Was so annoyed when that happened, had to record the turf war again
Finally
Rajang vs Deviljho....WATCH OUT WATCH OUT WATCH OUT!🤣
Tzitzi:
Approach. Flash. Leave. Repeat.
My fav turf war are any new Velkhana (vs both Malzenos) and my least fav are any old Velkhana turf wars lmao
i have like 3k hours in world i had no clue diablos gets fckn tombstoned by Joe
Let me help you out. Raging Brachadios is the apex predator. A disgusting specimen he is.
Did you guys know that there were sort of turf wars in all monster hunter? They are still hitting each other so it is sort of turf war but with cheaper damage
I do have a question. Why is the 'power tiers' not being clean an issue again? Like the whole segement around the time stamp 55:23 to 56:00.
Why is is this an issue? These aren't Dragonball characters we are comparing. The 'X monster is MORE POWERFUL than Y monster. Y monster beats Z monster and X monster loses to Z.' isn't a problem, a square version of it happened with the Fated 4 no? Just without turf wars.
To me its sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining about something. I'd appreciate an explanation of the problem rather than glossing over it like its undisputed truth. "Its just seems like a mess to me." Isn't exactly a stunning explanation.
I agree. It's probably from his mindset of a linear pecking order, most of the time, and for their to be a power scaling thing.
This is an issue with the MH community and others in general. It's kinda childish tbh as it's a middle school like thinking.
Not even real life ecosystems always have a straight hierarchy. The food chain mindset is a very simple one. It's more of a food web.
It's not really survival of the fittest but survival of who survives.
(Which is funny when you consider heavy wings showed that while Bazel is strong, he is not a good match up against Magmamalo due to him being an explosive type of monster himself. )
One day a pride of lions take down an elephant. The next day quite a few lions get crushed by same Elephant.
Same with a crocodiles, Buffalo
Snake vs mongoose,
Mongoose vs eagle
Eagle vs snake
Spider vs wasp (Sometimes wasps lay eggs in spiders. Specifically the tarantula wasp)
Wasps vs frogs
Spider vs frogs
(Some spiders will have frogs as "pets" while others prey on them. And frogs can eat spiders.)
I'm mostly speaking of kinds of animals here as there are a lot of species within a kind with many different dynamics.
There's so much more to animals than the basic thinking of predator - prey or MUI Goku beats x characters, X characters beats y, why beats z therefore z can't beat MUI Goku.
(I dare not add more names for a reason)
Isn't anjanath a stronger threat in general in Rise ? IIRC he appeared much closer to the endgame than in worldborne in Rise, which implies he's stronger and also makes him being stronger in turf of wars somewhat sensible
It's unclear. He's encountered later in Rise than he was in World but that generally happens with returning monsters in the series, like all the 4U starters were high rank only in Generations.
If Anjanath loses those turf wars then they still consider him to be weak, he's just HR6 for progression reasons.
@@HeavyWings Looking at hunter's notes and investigation positioning, it's also pretty contradictory ! His 'threat level' in hunter's notes puts him on equal level as narga and rathalos, which is clearly above where he was in world. But then in anomaly investigations, he at the same reward level as rathian, tobi-kadachi and... pukei-pukei, ouch...
okay so i was distracted by your hunter name hahaha
I personally don't care for recycled turf wars. World's turf wars were something special because of how unique they were. They communicated to you about the world you were in hunting. Iceborne onwards, it's just "animations" at this point. They don't feel that special when basically every monster has at least 1 recycled turf war. In my opinion, they should stay unique, even if that means there isn't a lot of them. Turf wars aren't NEEDED for every monster when they already fight and do damage to each other with basic attacks (Yes this is a thing, even if you don't see the damage numbers except for Rajang and Jho for some reason).
too bad most of the time when two rise/sunbreak monsters intrect with each other the things go:
One hits the other with the most pathetic attack ever existed and makes it rideable then leave
Yeah it sucks, especially if it's someone like Arzuros smacking Teostra lmao
Risebreak I hate turf wars just because I never see them. My first playthrough through sunbreak I only ever saw like 4 or 5 turf wars in the entire playthrough and attempting to get them
Yeah it really sucks. I wish it was something they fixed.
I think Turf Wars should only happen withing "brackets". I will try to keep this short but basically Tigrex, Nargacuga, Brachy and Glavenus are one step below contender but one step above "apex hunters" like rathalos and diablos like you mentioned, and should only fight each other because they will destroy anyone below them. By Contender I mean Monsters like Magnamalo or Rajang who with enough experience might be able to fight an elder like Kushala but most likely will lose. That way we can get all the unique Turf wars without putting too much strain on the Devs. Like i said i tried to keep this comment short but i hope anyone reading this gets my point without misunderstanding it. Basically even Rajang who can win against Kirin should not fight Nergigante or other Elders and Tie.
I disagree. The crossover is the best part.
Alot of recycled ones are because of alot of monsters sharing the same models. If they weren't recycled you wouldn't have them at all.
Tbh i definitely think Rise and Sunbreak did them better in all areas
Also for Magnamelo, it makes sense why his are the same given the flyinh monster is trying to get to its assumed safe place, the air, and then not getting a chance to do anything because Magnamelo basically says "Hey! I can fly too!"
Also.i feel the recycling for Rise made a lot more sense then Icebornes (minus a few)
Also several of these i didnt know about because either i never played the respective quests or i just got unlucky with the monster load out
Or i fought one, got it into ridinh state, took it to the other monster to do damage before swapping to get some more done to the first
Also Zin and Lun actually have two turf wars
I think Anjanath loses to Diablos in rise, because he is a weaker monster, so despite lifting Diablos, being tossed by him was probably too much for him, and probably broke multiple bones
Love your videos and appreciate your work in making them but this did NOT have to be over an hour long bro. Most of the time you were just talking in circles, repeating your points with slightly different wording. You could have cut the length to half if not for the redundant script
Agreed, there is also a lot of "monster starts with a tail spin, then the other does a bite, then the other jumps, then..." that bloats the video
What did he do to you😭 10:53
HE'S IN THE WAY!
@@HeavyWingspoor jyura always getting shitted on (ik lol)
12:03 no it's not
Nop
@@abhirajsingh587 yup
@@athos9293 tell me about other bond attacks
@@abhirajsingh587 Those performed between Espinas Subspecies and Espinas Rare Species, Lolo and Ray Gougarf, Golganos and Arganos.
@@athos9293 and Frontier is not mainline so it doesnt matter. Hell Frontier isn't even considered canon.
My faves are definitely Tetranadon turf wars 😂
Least favourite are Magnamalo bros, because he's the lamest flagship ever and instantly came out kicking elder ass 😤
I'm starting to get the idea that Heavy Wings isn't the biggest fan of Iceborne.
I criticise things that need criticising. You might notice I also went after Rise for it's issues regarding turf wars.
@@HeavyWings Not knocking you for your criticisms of Iceborne, just can't help but notice that Iceborne is a pretty common target of ire for you, which is totally fine.
Malo is a devs' pet and really shouldn't be fighting Elders so comfortably 😤
Definately prefering the way World did TWs with the strong ecology focus, also helped by local fidelity (aka no chance for everyone to meet each other).
I'm not really fond of the ones added in SB because while they are indeed good quality in terms of product they just feel like overhyped anime fights in most cases.
I'm currently playing 3U and I feel TW would totally be at home in this game if they had been added with the pecking order scope in mind; imagine Zinogre beating Arzuros and tieing with Duramboros, or Lagiacrus straight up dominating water fights, but both lose to Deviljho as it's the supreme usurper.
I’m still salty about velkhanas turf war against primordial. It was badass but it should’ve ended in a tie since the other turf wars ended the same for Primoridal
I think it's supposed to say a lot about Primordial; he's probably on the same level as Ruiner Nergigante in terms of strength.
@@HeavyWings I'd even say beyond Ruiner, Primordial Malzeno is an actual Mary Sue in the Monster Hunter franchise where a weakness isn't clear, Ruiner's weakness is the same as regular Nergigante only it's slightly harder to exploit it because of its metallic component
@@HeavyWings I mean very true! Primordial and Runier could go toe to toe and could draw. I figured velkhana is in the same echelon as them but instead of brute strength it’s his ice powers. And while I’d love to see a reworked Runier v. Velkhana turf war, to see primordial slap the shit out of Velkhana and beat him, but still have the same turf wars with Mag and Lunagaron was almost insulting in a sense. I may just be a huge Velkhana fan and that’s blinding me but I just wanted a little more out of it