Witness account of the stabbing, then beheading of young man onboard a Greyhound bus bound for Winnipeg in Canada. (extended version) Info on story: tinyurl.com/59r9og
Thank you Garnet Caton for having the courage and strength to do what you did. You are a True Canadian Hero. And my Condolences goes out to the victim's Family. Sorry for you loss.
the fact is when Tim was screaming out for help and hanging on to his dear life in a crowded bus but nobody helped is disturbing. If someone like Weiguang Li thinks they can do this in a canadian bus,some copycat might think of doing it again so the comments about canadians are somewhat justifiable.
the killer was eating the body when police came. you can hear the recording of the cop describing it as well as a pic of the severed head. warning graphic content
Condolences to the victim's families. To the passengers as well. I'm a frequent Greyhound user from Winnipeg. I thought I was paranoid before, it will take me some time before I ride again with Greyhound.
I was sick too, his family was devastated and the passengers were traumatized. And a man died of multiple stab wounds and a beheading. And the latest news, the killer ate some of the victims flesh. I hope his family doesn't see my comment, but really we have to stop this evil.
Its a mental disorder. The guy is a victim of a healthcare system that doesnt care enough about mental health. He has been in treatment for 7 years and it is incredibly unlikely he will ever even hear voices again and if he does, he now knows to immediately get help.
Yeah I kow and I live In Portage La Prairie, even CLOSER and I'm terrified. But we have to keep in mind it was a "isolated incident" and this sick & twisted man was from Edmonton. But it doesn't make buses any safer... Buses need metal detectors and bag checks, etc... This is disgusting.:( My heart goes out to the family and the passengers that had to go throuh this ordeal.
You must remember the speed at the way these things happen. This is why soldiers are heavily trained to react with speed. If everyone could do it we wouldn't need training. My guess is they heard screams then the next thing they remember is they were outside the bus running. I'd say they 'found' themselves outside the bus and didn't know how they get there. It's called 'Fight or Flight' police officers also know about this phenomenon and are trained to deal with it also.
no im serious i was reading it on bbc or cbc or something but they said that the killer was left alone with the body for while and that he MAY have performed acts of cannibalism
they didnt choose to run so as much as forced to run. in the interview, he says that the killer told everyone to get off the bus AS he was stabbing the victim
I am American, most of us are horrified at this, secondly it's not about being Canadian or American it's about being human. So keep in mind a young man (Tim Mclean) lost his life here and his family is going through hell, think about how they would feel if they logged on here and seen your rude and ignorant comments, or if it was your brother, son or best friend. Those of you leaving those comments should be ashamed of yourselves.
yes I am aware of the phenomenon...i guess what shocks me most if the thought that without any trained professionals on scene to fight this instinct, most people can be butchered in a large crowd or even on a subway train without anyone lifting a finger.
yeah so lets say it IS true...and it probably is....isnt it scary to think that this basically means that if you start getting stabbed on the street or bus or subway, even in a crowd, people will just look on and run away? and we always feel safe in a crowded subway train saying "nothing can happen to me here".
Also, there maybe evidences that this is premediate because of an argument when Vince Li was sitting with Tim Mclean's ex girlfriend on the front row. Then Li moved back to Tim's seat and started attacking him when he was asleep with his headphones one. Innocent Tim, at 5'3" and 130lbs, had no chance against Li, at 6' and 200lbs, with a 10" bowie knife when he's sleeping with his headphones on.
hey, atleast this guy was captured and is in custody. i'm tired of all these terrorists that cop out by killing themselves. this country needs a new form of policy for people like this. we also need as tight of secrurity for ANY form of mass transportation as we do in airports. i just rode a greyhound from Atlanta to Omaha, and not once was ANYONE'S possessions screened for anything. this kind of thing will continue to happen until we tighten up securtity and screening checkpoints.
That depends on who he is protecting. In this case of greyhound beheading the passengers probably do not know who is stabbing whom. May be its drug related or some other form of revenge unless police intervened and found out. But interfering in this type of disputes is not what canadians are interested in or even sentimental about.
The Greyhound bus killer in Canada is named Weyguang Li, like Jet Li or Bruce Li. That's a chinese name. Not only that he stab a small victim(whitman of 5'3" of 130lbs) 40 to 50 times ,decapitated the victim and wave the head in front of other horrified passagers but he also cut into the flesh of the victim and eat the flesh. That's one sick chinese guy in Canada.
Uh, duh - you don't WAIT 30 TIMES to do something! I mean before all that. Would it have been an unnecessary risk when the poor guy was still screaming? You position yourself behind the killer and then with your arms lock his behind his head and tell others to help.
What? So you think that he did it for fun and is a completely sane person? Based on how he behaved, I'm pretty damn sure that he was completely crazy at the time. None of the people that knew him, had anything bad to say about the guy. He said he started to hear the voice of god in 2004. I feel bad for the dude.. can't imagine wanting to live after something like that.
One stab to the neck from a 12 inch knife would cause enough injury to kill someone. I would not judge anyone's actions in this negatively except for the killer. I think it's really commendable for the three men to guard the door to protect the others. I wonder when they are going to release more info on the killer's background.
I, as a young woman, would probably not stand a chance. but the men who were on the bus should have kicked him or something....what if a little girl was being stabbed? would fear of the knife still stand in the way of saving her life?
There's a huge problem with what you just said. Lets start screening bus riders because one nut decides to go on a stabbing spree? If it wasn't on the bus - it'd be on the street, a park, or in a gymnasium.
Sadly, in Canada the federal government and the general population don't seem to think there's a need for armed civilians so it's nearly impossible to be granted permission to carry a loaded handgun. Makes me sick.
Did anyone draw blood from killer in order to determine what possibly, the killer and unidentified woman, got off bus together and smoked, 30 min. before this murder? FRY possibly?
first off, if you're going to argue, have a legitimate point. second off it wasn't a spree, it was ONE guy. and third, yeah, it's gonna happen in the streets and in parks, but you can't really "secure" these things to the upmost extent because it's SO communal. this is greyhound, not a city bus. there are points that you have to pass to get on the bus. i mean, you can't really screen people's shit at a park or on the streets, but you can in a bus station. does it not make sense???
I didn't say 'stand up to' I said 'stand up', as in he took him from sleeping deadweight into an upright position. You can't say what you'd do in a situation like that, no one can. Unless you're some kind of freak of nature, with no self- preservation instinct, you would have done the same. Also, this guy's clearly not normal. If he were determined to do so, which he would have been, he would have gotten back up after being hit with a crowbar.
What, got back up!! you for real, a crow bar would have smashed his skull to smithereens and left the pig foot firmly embedded in his brain in one swipe, i wouldnt bring a knife to a crow bar fight put it that way...
This was a great interview. Thanks for posting. What next, armed marshalls on buses? You gotta wonder why this happened. I hope everyone has a GREAT night's sleep tonight after hearing all of the gory details!
to all the ppl saying ppl should have guns... imagine if the killer had a gun instead of a knife? he could have killed atleast 3 ppl before being taken down. And injured many more.
If you want to tell me everyone did the right thing ... that they wouldn't have reeacted any differently than if it had been a family member of theirs who had been suddenly attacked, that's your perogative pal.
What does me being a canadian have to do with anything? The point I'm trying to make is that We're all human and we can get scared shitless when THAT happens out of the blue. Sorry if I offended you but I for one would be pretty damn traumatized if I witnessed that. But I have to worry about my own ass getting mugged here in Toronto at night.
lol that's the video I posted on Liveleak~! You can hear my blackberry ringing in the middle of the video! Didn't check the sound card settings before capturing the video on my laptop :-\
um, wrong, the VT shooter IS in fact the biggest mass murder in a school in american history, but he was in fact not chinese but of korean descent, so please dont ever confuse the two because there are consequences to these things. Recap - Koreans does not equal Chinese. Two very different cultures/people
Everyone knows it isn't a game but people need to stop being cowards running away, In my opinion it just takes strong will and a quickly thought out stradegy. I would of heard the scream quickly assesed the situation and acted, if nothing else the victim would of atleast kept his head so the family could have an open casket funeral.
When you board the bus , they should administer sedatives, and knock you out till you arrive. Who wants to remember a greyhound ride anyway , there disgusting and horrible in many ways. The bus has long been a "Loser Cruiser"
This definitely makes your jaw drop when you hear it. Sick fucking world we live in these days. My only question is how the hell did he get a survival knife on a greyhound bus. Guess they don't do weapons checks. Stop trying to play the blame game with the prime minister and asians in general. The only blame goes to the crazy fuck who decided he would kill this guy sitting next to him.
The guy conducting the interview: "Have you ever seen anything like this before?" Really??
All these people are like “I would have stopped him” no you wouldn’t, you would have been in shock like everyone else
He looks like a deer in headlights. Poor guy is in shock
And he just got released today :( Scary
Marvin K. 0 conditions now....
This guy is definitely getting nightmares..
This is the saddest story I've ever heard. My condolences to the family of this poor young man. Absolutely terrible.
that is so horrible.
death is awful enough. but when your last moments are in complete agony... heartbreaking.
Sick... there are no words for this tragedy except utter disgust.
Thank you Garnet Caton for having the courage and strength to do what you did. You are a True Canadian Hero. And my Condolences goes out to the victim's Family. Sorry for you loss.
omg i rode that route 2 years ago... how close was that?
the fact is when Tim was screaming out for help and hanging on to his dear life in a crowded bus but nobody helped is disturbing. If someone like Weiguang Li thinks they can do this in a canadian bus,some copycat might think of doing it again so the comments about canadians are somewhat justifiable.
the killer was eating the body when police came. you can hear the recording of the cop describing it as well as a pic of the severed head. warning graphic content
Condolences to the victim's families. To the passengers as well. I'm a frequent Greyhound user from Winnipeg. I thought I was paranoid before, it will take me some time before I ride again with Greyhound.
Well, that's Winnipeg for ya.
I wonder if he ever picked up that book that he was reading again
good man, im glad other people understand this. there are some really ignorant people posting.
lmao to the random zoom
How can you be the same after seeing this?
Why is there no description of the attacker?
it's just a definition/classification to distinguish random murders form premeditated ones. it doesn't mean it is less serious or anything.
I was sick too, his family was devastated and the passengers were traumatized. And a man died of multiple stab wounds and a beheading. And the latest news, the killer ate some of the victims flesh. I hope his family doesn't see my comment, but really we have to stop this evil.
I think the should make a law that who ever stabs and decapitates the guy that murdered the kid gets 1,0000 dollars.
What a crazy stupid thing for a reporter to ask, "have you ever seen anything like this before"!!!! , yeah, atleast twice a month, WTF...
no......
He has been released....
Its a mental disorder. The guy is a victim of a healthcare system that doesnt care enough about mental health. He has been in treatment for 7 years and it is incredibly unlikely he will ever even hear voices again and if he does, he now knows to immediately get help.
Nobody said anything about setting him free.
Yeah I kow and I live In Portage La Prairie, even CLOSER and I'm terrified. But we have to keep in mind it was a "isolated incident" and this sick & twisted man was from Edmonton.
But it doesn't make buses any safer... Buses need metal detectors and bag checks, etc...
This is disgusting.:(
My heart goes out to the family and the passengers that had to go throuh this ordeal.
Would you help anyone?
highly agree...
You must remember the speed at the way these things happen. This is why soldiers are heavily trained to react with speed. If everyone could do it we wouldn't need training.
My guess is they heard screams then the next thing they remember is they were outside the bus running. I'd say they 'found' themselves outside the bus and didn't know how they get there.
It's called 'Fight or Flight' police officers also know about this phenomenon and are trained to deal with it also.
my grandpa bruce was driving the bus
How is he doing after witnessing that?
....i can't believe what happend... its... oh my god...
does it mean anything in particular...?
no im serious i was reading it on bbc or cbc or something but they said that the killer was left alone with the body for while and that he MAY have performed acts of cannibalism
Imagine if the killer had a gun instead of a knife.
they didnt choose to run so as much as forced to run. in the interview, he says that the killer told everyone to get off the bus AS he was stabbing the victim
I am American, most of us are horrified at this, secondly it's not about being Canadian or American it's about being human. So keep in mind a young man (Tim Mclean) lost his life here and his family is going through hell, think about how they would feel if they logged on here and seen your rude and ignorant comments, or if it was your brother, son or best friend. Those of you leaving those comments should be ashamed of yourselves.
yes I am aware of the phenomenon...i guess what shocks me most if the thought that without any trained professionals on scene to fight this instinct, most people can be butchered in a large crowd or even on a subway train without anyone lifting a finger.
the killer is my mail man
This happened outside of my town.
He was the first one banging on the doors lololol
that man is crazy...poor guy...omg!!!!WOW....
You heard wrong. The trial hasn't even happened yet.
Why the hell didn't they jump on the guy? What the hell.
You're making excuses for cowardice. It was wrong to not stop what was happening and restrain the guy whether it was too late or not.
yeah so lets say it IS true...and it probably is....isnt it scary to think that this basically means that if you start getting stabbed on the street or bus or subway, even in a crowd, people will just look on and run away? and we always feel safe in a crowded subway train saying "nothing can happen to me here".
It's called shock, it usually only hits people the net day.
just think. how many buses are out every night? how many stories like this do you hear? now ask yourself, is it nesessary?
the crazy dude is so calm im realizing he might of served in the military..but theres so many of these messed up killing in asia.
Also, there maybe evidences that this is premediate because of an argument when Vince Li was sitting with Tim Mclean's ex girlfriend on the front row. Then Li moved back to Tim's seat and started attacking him when he was asleep with his headphones one. Innocent Tim, at 5'3" and 130lbs, had no chance against Li, at 6' and 200lbs, with a 10" bowie knife when he's sleeping with his headphones on.
Dd anyone see tht apparition at 4:07 above this guy's head?
Those are just lights reflected from the cars driving by
Why not in Canada??
Such is life...
hey, atleast this guy was captured and is in custody. i'm tired of all these terrorists that cop out by killing themselves. this country needs a new form of policy for people like this. we also need as tight of secrurity for ANY form of mass transportation as we do in airports. i just rode a greyhound from Atlanta to Omaha, and not once was ANYONE'S possessions screened for anything. this kind of thing will continue to happen until we tighten up securtity and screening checkpoints.
That depends on who he is protecting. In this case of greyhound beheading the passengers probably do not know who is stabbing whom. May be its drug related or some other form of revenge unless police intervened and found out. But interfering in this type of disputes is not what canadians are interested in or even sentimental about.
The Greyhound bus killer in Canada is named Weyguang Li, like Jet Li or Bruce Li. That's a chinese name. Not only that he stab a small victim(whitman of 5'3" of 130lbs) 40 to 50 times ,decapitated the victim and wave the head in front of other horrified passagers but he also cut into the flesh of the victim and eat the flesh. That's one sick chinese guy in Canada.
22GHOST91, you forget the bravery of the police and firemen during 911 in NYC
Why are you people so quick to believe everything this guy is saying?
Uh, duh - you don't WAIT 30 TIMES to do something! I mean before all that. Would it have been an unnecessary risk when the poor guy was still screaming? You position yourself behind the killer and then with your arms lock his behind his head and tell others to help.
well the person in front would be likely to be stabbed, plus by the time they new the guy was being stabbed, he was alredy dead
the guy must've been on the bus a looong time to just randomly stab the person sitting next to him
maybe he saw him to the side and could tell by the side of his eyes
makes me sick
I'm not quick to believe everything someone has said without PROOF! Doesn't it seem like he is trying to scare you a little bit?
Greyhound needs to come up with a way of protecting ther passengers plus themselves. I wonder if the victim's family can sue the company?
What? So you think that he did it for fun and is a completely sane person?
Based on how he behaved, I'm pretty damn sure that he was completely crazy at the time.
None of the people that knew him, had anything bad to say about the guy.
He said he started to hear the voice of god in 2004.
I feel bad for the dude.. can't imagine wanting to live after something like that.
One stab to the neck from a 12 inch knife would cause enough injury to kill someone. I would not judge anyone's actions in this negatively except for the killer. I think it's really commendable for the three men to guard the door to protect the others. I wonder when they are going to release more info on the killer's background.
that killer came from my town... those victims too. And I was suppose to go on a trip that day too lol... so scary....
I, as a young woman, would probably not stand a chance. but the men who were on the bus should have kicked him or something....what if a little girl was being stabbed? would fear of the knife still stand in the way of saving her life?
There's a huge problem with what you just said. Lets start screening bus riders because one nut decides to go on a stabbing spree? If it wasn't on the bus - it'd be on the street, a park, or in a gymnasium.
Sadly, in Canada the federal government and the general population don't seem to think there's a need for armed civilians so it's nearly impossible to be granted permission to carry a loaded handgun. Makes me sick.
if u were in that situation...u would know how they felt.
wonder if they can interview the girl that was smoking out w/ the guy...
The took his seat. So remember dont take people seats yo
Quoted truly.
I have my moments! Well... evil like that just sends me into a rage, but i've calmed down a bit now!
Canada's lenient sentencing laws will keep that guy breathing to murder a prison guard
Did anyone draw blood from killer in order to determine what possibly, the killer and unidentified woman, got off bus together and smoked, 30 min. before this murder? FRY possibly?
first off, if you're going to argue, have a legitimate point. second off it wasn't a spree, it was ONE guy. and third, yeah, it's gonna happen in the streets and in parks, but you can't really "secure" these things to the upmost extent because it's SO communal. this is greyhound, not a city bus. there are points that you have to pass to get on the bus. i mean, you can't really screen people's shit at a park or on the streets, but you can in a bus station. does it not make sense???
security just like in airports.
could have easily been HIM who got decapitated instead of that other guy... he was sitting right by the killer...totally shocking stuff
does the guy in the interview kinda looks like colin farrel
I didn't say 'stand up to' I said 'stand up', as in he took him from sleeping deadweight into an upright position. You can't say what you'd do in a situation like that, no one can. Unless you're some kind of freak of nature, with no self- preservation instinct, you would have done the same.
Also, this guy's clearly not normal. If he were determined to do so, which he would have been, he would have gotten back up after being hit with a crowbar.
What, got back up!! you for real, a crow bar would have smashed his skull to smithereens and left the pig foot firmly embedded in his brain in one swipe, i wouldnt bring a knife to a crow bar fight put it that way...
omg youre right. maybe it was. weird
Well all those people no gun?
This was a great interview. Thanks for posting. What next, armed marshalls on buses? You gotta wonder why this happened. I hope everyone has a GREAT night's sleep tonight after hearing all of the gory details!
True Story?
What was this killer's motive, wtf?
to all the ppl saying ppl should have guns... imagine if the killer had a gun instead of a knife? he could have killed atleast 3 ppl before being taken down. And injured many more.
If you want to tell me everyone did the right thing ... that they wouldn't have reeacted any differently than if it had been a family member of theirs who had been suddenly attacked, that's your perogative pal.
What does me being a canadian have to do with anything? The point I'm trying to make is that We're all human and we can get scared shitless when THAT happens out of the blue. Sorry if I offended you but I for one would be pretty damn traumatized if I witnessed that. But I have to worry about my own ass getting mugged here in Toronto at night.
a rambo knife!!! holy shit...
lol that's the video I posted on Liveleak~! You can hear my blackberry ringing in the middle of the video! Didn't check the sound card settings before capturing the video on my laptop :-\
um, wrong, the VT shooter IS in fact the biggest mass murder in a school in american history, but he was in fact not chinese but of korean descent, so please dont ever confuse the two because there are consequences to these things.
Recap - Koreans does not equal Chinese. Two very different cultures/people
It costs a shitload more tax to execute a person than to feed them for the rest of their life. Life in jail would be cheaper.
I just realized. This dudes story changes every interview. weird.
Hmmm maybe it was staged?
Everyone knows it isn't a game but people need to stop being cowards running away, In my opinion it just takes strong will and a quickly thought out stradegy. I would of heard the scream quickly assesed the situation and acted, if nothing else the victim would of atleast kept his head so the family could have an open casket funeral.
When you board the bus , they should administer sedatives, and knock you out till you arrive. Who wants to remember a greyhound ride anyway , there disgusting and horrible in many ways. The bus has long been a "Loser Cruiser"
This definitely makes your jaw drop when you hear it. Sick fucking world we live in these days. My only question is how the hell did he get a survival knife on a greyhound bus. Guess they don't do weapons checks.
Stop trying to play the blame game with the prime minister and asians in general. The only blame goes to the crazy fuck who decided he would kill this guy sitting next to him.
The bus drivers should at least carry tasers. Driving around in the middle of no where. WTF are they gonna do if some sh*t goes down on the bus.