My Problems with Star Vs. the Forces of Evil
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- Is this show a sinking SHIP?
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Another Breakdown of the show's animation: seddm.tumblr.com/post/1516304...
-MUSIC CREDITS-
(All tracks are from the Star Vs. the Forces of Evil Original Soundtrack unless said otherwise)
00:32 Love is always the Answer
1:36 Eclipsa's Theme
2:33 Worst Wand Fight and Warnicorn Stampede FTW
3:41 Save the Bounce Lounge
5:03 We Have Each Other's Backs
5:43 Blow Out This Flame
6:20 Fusion Disco- Steven Universe Soundtrack
7:29 Everything's Coming Up Star
7:33 Unbound- Sonic Adventure Soundtrack
8:13 Skullnick Vs Evil
8:56 Star Attacks
9:33 Invisible Goat Chase
10:39 What's Different
11:26 Yard Battle
12:23 The Card Awakens
13:14 Intro Instrumental
14:11 The Magic Archives
15:19 Marco's Life
15:54 Star's Ringtone - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Everyone hates Ponyhead. Even the fans
True, honestly I'd prefer Tom to be there instead of Ponyhead, at least he's a bit more likeable, plus I feel like he deserves more screen time then he actually gets.
Ponthwad represents every thing wrong wrong with modern times.
I prefer Janna over ponyhead
I don't see the point of this character. She's not even funny.
I mean that is 100% true she sucks
Eclipsa overshadows all the other characters.
*Get it?*
Matthew Masucci ITS LIKE HOW AN ECLIPSE HIDES THE SUN!!!!! *im dead inside*
Matthew Masucci I guess you can call this DARK humor...
*Please end me*
Matthew Masucci, I can't take this chicanery.
*Bdum tsss*
Give this man a gold star
My new favorite comment
I hate how the animation became less fluid
Media Kira that’s the thing! I know that the comedy is bad at season 1, but like the animation was still on point which sometimes ups the comedy. Now that season 4 is more “deep” as fans say, the animation was kinda becoming worse.
same
Yeah those giant ass smiles or long ass arms I missed those
Bouncy
@@bituin5908 They used SugarCube during Season 2 onwards but by Season 3-4 the animation becomes very noticeable cause you got some episodez that move fluidly like the current animated shows but other times you have episodes that move like the Flash Animation shows.
When Ponyhead **SPOILERS**
Lost her horn to Meteora/Heinous, I thought she would get some good character development of some sort, I was excited.
But then a few episodes later she gets a new horn for little to no effort.
Jinxel lol
What did you expect her to learn? April 4, 2019, 9:41pm
Why didn't Meteora end her.
I agree
She hypocritically said to one of her sisters without a horn that shes being selfish when really she is
Marco’s friends only existed because Disney said he needed male friends
Para Alot of Marco's friends are girls if you think about it.
@Victor Dunjic Are you talking to me?
@Victor Dunjic Well I like this show, it's fun to watch and has nice and cute Character designs. But this video did a good job explaining the problems with this show and the Shipping while cute at times is really annoying (If you ship Jarco or Tomstar, heck even Marcopoo, Starco fans will say that there ship is the best ship).
I liked Ferguson. I still do. Nate Torrence is a funny guy. April 4, 2019, 9:31pm
I love Star Vs. but the shipping aspect is easily the worst and most unbearable part of the show.
I agree.
Leah Teather, and this is true for it's fandom.
AGREE. The shipping makes me so pissed up, like they just throw jackie away and made Tom clingy. WE all know that Starco is happening so what's the point of removing characters.
same here I'd find it to be Boring and as chessy as those live action Teen Sitcoms from BOTH Nickelodeon and Disney Channel
Finally somebody said it!
Finally someone else mentions the decline in the animation quality! I thought it was just me! In early season 1 it was bouncy and hyperactive which matches Star's personality. But now... Its still good but it seems idk... More stiff?
Yeah it really does I preferred season 2’s animation. A great example of how stiff it is is the new theme song.
I also realized this problem as I continued watching it made me want to rewatch the show to see what changed
It becomes more emotional which I really liked but I'm sad that that's not a very popular opinion especially as not many like the shipping like sure it focused a bit to much on it but I kind of liked that but I wish they made a perfect balance between being simple and emotional but I just know there's some assholes who will get mad at me for saying this stuff
Welcome to the comment section.
Prepare to read paragraphs upon paragraphs upon paragraphs.
For something completely different, here is a sentence :D
Bruno Linares shocker isnt it?
Don't you just hate paragraphs? I mean they're fine in small doses but get extraneous after a while. I do it sometimes but man is there a lot of discussion. At least they aren't tedious, predictable meta jokes, people think they're so funny by being "ironic" just for irony's sake. It's not ironic, it's hypocritical. No one thinks you're funny to do what you just criticized, nothing about it is endearing and you should cry ig you do.
Yes, some people comments are long, especially when the topic of a video goes into detail, like this one.
and pointing that out is funny because...
Indeed paragraphs are indeed annoying. Fans of shows can have extreme reactions to anything, and must disgree with everything. Isn't it hilarious? Everyone has once been there in a fandom where they are extremely mad at somebody somebody on a video. Sometimes they read or watch it over double or triple times. It is indeed strange. Now farewell my friends of the comments, I hope you have been convinced that paragraphs are indeed annoying.
The ships just ruin the show
@cool diamonds What do you think of the show?
They don't ruin it. But they take way to much time from more interesting things or plot stuff. I don't hate the ships but sometimes they are anoying!
Maria Ohiri Sorry but she gave in. STARCO is canon ....
Ikr?!?! Except for Eclipsa and Globgor, but that's cause they dont run it to the freaking ground
Compared to naruto star handled its ships way worse horribly actually i mean naruto did some questionable stuff like sakura x sasuke despite almost killing her and naruto x hinata movie and sequel series with their kids but compared to star its rushed ship problem made narutos ship problem look like a baby crying because it shit its diaper star rushed so much ships up our ass and out our throats that we forget that were watching a show with a story to tell that it became ship these characters the series we have questions about the end and the ships stop alot and probably fucked up major plot points that it led up to by far the shittiest ending ever to a cartoon
Even as someone who likes this show, I can't stand the shipping! It's honestly frustrating at this point, but especially with Tom. I hate that they develop him so much and make him work on his flaws, but his fate is ultimately to be part of a love triangle and eventually will probably be dumped so Starco can happen and the fans can get what they want.
Also I agree that it's overrated. While I do enjoy it, I don't think it's the best show ever.
Tom doesn't have character development you fools, he changed for sure, but he did so entirely behind the scenes.
The show clearly didn't think he was worth the trouble of actually giving him screen time and giving him proper character work, because clearly what the show needed was a hamfisted second love triangle.
Tom has been handled horribly, worse than Pony head and Jackie, those two ultimately didn't go anywhere but at least they were consistent.
Tom changed so drastically, in such a short period of time that it's enough to give you whiplash, yet somehow never gave him the time of the day, instead every single episode he was featured in post demoncism (an episode that already didn't work because it had not proper build up) was dedicated to showcasing why his relationship with Star was horrible for everyone.
Tom is overrated as all hell, but he still had potential, now they just squandered that and we are only left with an overrated character that still somehow remains flat.
I wasn't Tom biggest fan, but even i feel offended by how poorly the show handled him, the only thing that pisses me off more, is people pretending that he wasn't horribly handled, at this point it would be better if they simply dropped him off to the wayside.
@Jack Garcia
Tom's Character Development:
1: Realizing he can feel guilty for tricking Marco.
2: Knowing that he likes songs aimed for girls like Marco.
3: Showing that his way of "giving someone space" is completely ignoring him showing that he's an ass.
4: Showing that he hates his dark side so much he rather just wash away his feelings.
You can argue that these are bad examples but to say he doesn't get any development is pretty wrong. Out of everyone he has the most influence to change. Were Marco and Star don't seem to have any real reason to change except their impending doom or other life changing scenarios.
Shadowrose54321 You are mistaking character development, for character plot points. The show gives the bases for character development and work for Tom, but they never build up on them, they never actually put in any of the work. And effectively, everything that happens off screen, doesn't actually happen in any meaningful capacity.
In Tom's case the show uses the truly horrid Steven Universe MO of character development, basically just giving small hints about certain characters/plot points, let the fans go crazy with head canons, speculation and what not, and then just confirm it to be true without ever actually putting any work of building the bases. It is effectively building a bridge, except you only build up the start and the end, and allow other people to do absolutely everything in between, and then swoop in to take the credit. it's like if a person gifted you a cube of legos, the you built up an amazing model of the statue of liberty or what not, and then you started praising the person that gifted you the legos for his amazing work on the model.
The show gives you clues that Tom is working to change for the better, that he has a budding friendship with Marco, but they NEVER actually do anything with any of those things. To this date, the only things Marco and Tom have in common is that they both like a boy band (which Star and Jackie also enjoy, so it's not like it's something unique to them) and that they both like/admire Star, which is really just a contentious point, like becoming friends with some dude in a store's line because you both want the same super special edition of a game, of which there's only one copy. Can a relationship possibly be more shallow? this is only exacerbated by the fact that Marco has no real reason to want to be Tom's friend because he is a massive asshole to him for most of the series. Heck, the episode where their supposed friendship is introduced even ends with them ribbing each other, hinting that it's not exactly a conventional relationship, and that they ain't quite there on the friendship plateau. How does the show follow up with this? with a super short cameo and on a completely unrelated episode where Tom is an asshole, again. And from there Tom just drops completely from the show for almost an entire season, and the next time they meet, they are apparently super close friends, what. the. fuck.
Not only is it super lazy, it's even worse when you consider the show lives and dies by show, don't tell, which is exactly how they handle their important characters. But Tom is an antithesis of it, which only makes it even more jarring.
Then there's the fact that his re-introduction to the main plot is about as smooth as a bed of spikes. Tom is completely MIA for close to an entire season, and then they shove him into a relationship with Star for the very transparent purpose of padding out the shipping for another godamn season. Never mind that Star despised Tom for most of the series, and that they were at each other's throat's for the entire episode to the point they were about to trade freaking blows, this of course is completely reverted in a manner of MINUTES in the most impossibly jarring and lazy way possible, cuz they danced, holy fuck.
Let's talk about character design, it's more than simply how a character will look, it also encompasses what role the character will have in the story, how they will interact with other characters etc. It's no secret that the show on it's first season was far more light hearted and seemed to aim more for a villain of the week/ Weekly adventure format over an overarching plot.
Tom was created to be a weekly antagonistic force, not that different from Ludo, or that pirate rabbit thingy, or the hand puppet robot. It's his very design, he was created to be a thorn in the MC's side, and this is particularly obvious in his original role, where he would threaten with destroying earth if Star didn't go to a dance with him. He went trough. changes before his implementation, obviously, but it still shows what his original role was meant to be, an antagonistic supporting character.
From then on the show, and by proxy Tom, change direction. And Tom is cast into a different kind of role, one that isn't supposed to be antagonistic anymore, but the show doesn't bother putting in any kind of character work to make his character design actually work on that new position, which is just fucking dumb. This is even more obnoxious when you realize the writers fucking know this, because both Buff Frog and ESPECIALLY Ludo were characters that made seamless transitions into their new roles because the show actually cared and did the work required for them.
Ludo was designed to be a goofy villain of the week, the writers clearly knew that if they wanted him to be genuinely threatening, and for him to truly up the stakes of the plot, it would take real work. And that's exactly what they did, and some of these episodes focusing on Ludo are still some of the best episodes in the entire series, and also make Ludo not only incredibly unique, but also a very good character.
Tom, on the flip side not only attempts one of the most tricky character transitions there are (the dreaded redemption arc) but they also half ass it in a truly impressing manner. Every single meaningful step in a half decent redemption, they skip it in the most lazy way possible, and instead they just skip to the end of it. And the few episodes that actually try to build him up as a character are questionable at best.
The development doesn't actually exist if it doesn't happen on screen, y'know? where the ACTUAL story telling and therefore all of the show's value actually happens. Potential is worth squat if it's not actually exploited, Tom has development scraps and those ain't even good. It's not that the character is bad, it's that the way the show handled him is absolutely atrocious. And the fact that people actually praise that train wreck of laziness legit pisses me off.
Also, from a fellow tales fan, i like your avatar.
While I'm not really a fan of the show, I used to really like Tom for a while. I despised him at the beginning, but he got interesting as he started to be friends with Marco and realizing he should accept and respect Star's decision over not dating him. And then it was all thrown out the window and the love triangle started anew
:T Oh boy you wrote a lot.
This is also a super late reply. . .
But here goes anyway!! (But first I want to say that they way you explain things is. .O GODLY!)
Character plot points go hand to hand with character development from the most part. The way you speaking of it makes you feel like the two can't equate. But all I mentioned is character development(Or I guess growth). It doesn't mean it's good or anything I'm just saying that characters in the show do go through development. I know what you mean now though. Basically that none of the development is done in show.
Which basically mean the show never actually shows the development. Just kind of places it there and expects you to be okay with it.
But lmao!! Your point about the legos is so true. I'm not defending the show, I don't think it's well written either. I'm just saying that they do go through some type of growth. But you're right about everything ;A; I guess the way I wrote it seemed like I was just outright disagreeing with you.
I wish I had more to write but I basically agree with everything you said.
:U Thanks though! I also love Tales Of Games. I feel like me and you could get along.
I plot out characters for fun so reading everything was really enlightening. You'd probably enjoy role-playing or being a story board artist. I'd love to be able to work on stuff like that with someone like you.
The more flaws I know about the show the better.
I hate the shipping too. I heavily saw Star and Marco as brother and sister but the creators forced them together and it hurt. Shipping wise, I think it would have been interesting if Marco stuck with Jackie and they become a trio thus leaving the relationship stuff behind.
Like the critism against Steven Universe, I understand your views and even agree to a lot of it, I just love both shows
I agree
But blame fan service
Yes though it wasn't just fan service
@@franklinbonnefoy2295 it kinda was....? but at the same time fan service or not, they should've developed starco WAY better.
@@j0bie I believe so too. Like if they really really wanted the two to be together, at least make the relationship development more believable and not so cringey and lackluster
"Selfie jokes are NEVER funny."I can only think of one that has made me laugh: "Those guys are taking selfies on the LICH." (Adventure Time S06E01).
gonipet ok that was a good exception honestly. Adventure Time makes a lot of low brow humor work.
There's also a selfie joke when GOLB appears in the series finale!
@@NICKtendoReviews im more curious as to what you think about Star Vs's Last season & finale.
PhantomStrider: I think almost everyone in the world could agree that selfie gags are objectively unnecessary and dated despite how recently it’s been since they started to exist.
*Hotel Transylvania 3, The Loud House and Star Vs. the Forces of Evil do selfie jokes*
PhantomStrider: 😂 How could you not think these gags are funny?! How could anyone think these shows are too flawed to be great?! 😤
@@kieranstark7213 when was he like that?
I watch the show as if it's a harem anime. It's more fun that way.
Haha XD thats a fun way to see it XD
Глеб Новиков Thank you for this, I found it genuinely halarious.
Глеб Новиков lmao
I don't watch anime but wat is harem?
Mario Kerin when the main character has a fuckload of love interests
"Why is Star so popular???"
Literally because of Star. Make a cute girl character that acts cutesy all the time and has a love interest, and you've got a show that will attract millions of fans.
+ChesterTheMemeMaster Eh, I prefer NICKTendo's statement on it.
"Pretty much any show that has some semblance of lore is an instant success nowadays, which is kind of infuriating when it's lead to so many other simpler shows getting lost in the dust."
Cutesy? Star is pretty unique compared to other "cutesy" girly-girls. From her wacky, Harajuku-like clothing style, to her impulsive behaviour all the way down to her voice. Yes. Her voice. I love the fact that she doesn't have the typical cute princess "soft as silk" voice. It's what really sets her apart.
Tracey Scherptong she may be different than the classic Disney princess goats but now you can find hundreds female characters with the same attitude.
@@sandrafinities the character, visually, is cute.
star is just lovable what can we do about it.❤️👍🏼
In my opinion Marco should not have moved to Mewni. The whole thing felt forced as heck and seeing that season 3 was a major turning point for the series, leaving Marco behind was probably the best way to emphasize that. The dude barely even played any significant role in the whole season, you could entirely remove him from season 3 and it would still play out the same.
*_It's almost as if Marco is there solely for the romance subplot and no other reason._*
I don't think Janna had any reason to be there either. She certainly didn't need to be in Curse of the Blood Moon. August 13, 2019, 12:29am
You mean, getting rid if the co-main character?
This point reminds me of blue orders video
dude the main villain of season 3 is literally driven by her hate of marco
I agree
I can actually relate with this show a lot.
I'm your semi-average fourteen year old boy, and I suffer from the largest problem teenagers face: hormones. I don't know what I like or who I like. My answer today is probably different from my answer next week. My point being, teenager's emotions can be very unstable and confusing, and I think SVTFOE portrays that very well. Its a very wild ride of a show, with large changes happening a lot, whether it's with characters or setting. I can relate because as a teenager, my life is a wild ride. Because of this, SVTFOE is my second favorite show of all time. It might have many flaws, and have a lot of sudden big changes, but my life has many flaws and sudden big changes.
Major Johnson I relate cause I'm underestimated too
Ash Ketchum lel
That's a rather interesting take.
Maybe my issues mostly stem from the fact that i am an adult that is considerably more bitter than i was 10 years ago.
Well said! Your self awareness is impressive
i'm a 14 year old too but i'm a girl so we're kinda close , i think your says are right and i also am a teenager, and it's a little hard when it comes to feelings in this stage, i have mixed feeling's about shows like svtfoe, it just plays with our feelings right?, anyway you did a good job posting that comment i thought it was really good.❤️
Star vs. the Forces of Evil is Star vs. WHO IS SHE GONNA GET WITH?
I love the show, but we all know that this is all it is.
Flutter Facts XD
Flutter omg so true
Pretty much
Flutter Not “all it is” but I see your point.
Flutter True words.
Finally, FINALLY a reviewer who knows "Animation" refers to the movement of the characters, and not the art in general~
*Cough* Pokémon and Dragon Ball fanboys *Cough*
Bruno Linares they're annoying af
@@brunolinares604 what do you mean?
I like the concept of SVFE , but the characters killed it for me. Particularly Star. She is boring, selfish, and never learns from her mistakes. Her childish actions were okay for the first season, but the fact that by the end of season two she hadn't changed at all was just...ugh
Could you elaborate on how Star is selfish up to the season two finale?
This is my personal feeling, but I felt that if Star didn't have the convenience of being the main character and therefore we, as the viewer, know everything is going to turn out alright, Star is constantly putting the people around her in danger on a whim. Of course, often times it her mistakes and how she overcomes them which is the backbone of most of the episodes, but even after the season one finale I felt there was no character change. She does not take more responsibility for her actions, nor does she growi in any sort of meaningful way.
I see.
But sometimes other characters screw up as well in this series.
One of the biggest in my opinion is when Moon simply wants to hide in the forest "until things change" with the Toffee crisis. Not to mention when she doesn't give River any info about her and Star's whereabouts (which resulted in River going into a depressed state that he tried to cover up with massive partying).
I dislike her the most in the fillers but I hope she will get better
@@bleh9092
List please? Since it's been a while since I last watched.
As a SVTFOE fan, those points are pretty good. I don't mind people hating a show unless they just hate it to be in a bandwagon. I like the show but if its not something that your not interested in, thats fine. And I can agree with the change in the animation intro. It kinda bothered me but I try to ignore that. Thanks and have a good one.
The show was okay, but devolved in shipping drama, like most of the recent shows
Marco shouldn't have broken with Jackie
Yeah, Jarco was the only ship in the show for me that worked out very well and the two looked very happy together, too bad Season 3 started the shipping cancer throughout the entire fanbase.
But they broke up because “I oNlY lIkE tHe ImAgE oF hEr WhEn I aCtUaLlY lIkE sTaR”
@kkbeccah yea,it was so sad and that where throwing Marco like damn pin ball like going one girl after the other and I didn't like how star treated Marco and the other girls treated him way better then her.
Yeah this is one of the only shows where a stereotypical crush gets an actual personality, why did they have to break it up after doing that.
I agree.
Star is never going to reach the levels of Gravity Falls, but at least it’s worth to appreciate the direction the story is taking, and hopefully, we’ll see it improve as it goes on.
On the other hand, another Disney TV Show that’s surprisingly worth to check is the Tangled series. Even if it’s based on a movie, the story is actually a bit darker than the original and the songs are a bit of a step up.
Also, we’re getting other shows that seem promising as they follow the same pattern as Star of having female lead characters in mystical worlds, like The Owl House.
Speaking as someone who has Tangled in their top 10 Disney/Pixar movies, how does the animation fair? I always liked how bouncy and animated the movie was in comparison to other works by the two studios, so I'm at least hoping that translates into the 2D animation very well.
BlazingWaters It’s visually stunning and colorful as before, and the action scenes are pretty impressive and can often get intense at times.
The design also takes a bit of approach from Claire Keane’s works (funny enough, she’s actually working in the show as a Visual Development Artist), giving it a more storybook look.
There are minor details that can get distracting like the movements from the legs, but overall it looks goods. As a note, the show was also made by Mercury Filmworks.
I've heard Tangled The Series gets a bit too dark at times, as in nihilistic dark.
BlythePennyBicycle21 being dark is intriguing 😈
I haven't watched the Tangled series yet but seeing some clips of Repunzel speaking and other scenes through reddit, shows they have some damn impressive and ambitious animators on the scene, especially for facial expressions
6:03 YES. YESSSSSSSSSSS THIS. This is the biggest character problem I have with SVTFOE at this moment. Marco aged 16 years, and yet in a following episode, cares about a math test he has to take in school. The fact that he has now become a full grown adult who is still stuck in a kid's body means he'll have gone through a HUGE maturity shift--- one far too great to just write it off as barely noticeable whatsoever as he DOESN'T DO ANYTHING NEW THAT AN ADULT WOULD DO. He just continues to interact with his peers and family as if nothing has changed--- playing dungeons and dragons, and dating his still teenage girlfriend Jackie as if awkward Marco-phase never quite left, and continuing to be a freshman in high school. To me, this just isn't how any character who has realistically gone through this stuff would continue to react. And this is a MAJOR parallel to Steven Universe, that I see now as I am saying this. Crazy life-changing stuff happens to Steven on that show, and to virtually every other character, and yet they continue to act just... unrealistically in response to it all.
Are you referring to after Steven got back from Homeworld?
They did the reaction to "Crazy life-changing stuff" slightly better with Heart of the Crystal Gems arc.
I see the problem with that. Marco Jr. was the only time this was ever brought up again. However, not every episode has to connect that way and even if they tried to, Marco wouldn't care about Jackie or Dungeons & Dragons anymore. April 4, 2019, 9:43pm
I have honestly thought that when Marco reverted back to a teen, his manly mature mental and psychological aspects he had gained had worn off when he stepped out of the Netherworld. Is it just me, or the terrible writing had fucked with me?
Wow, I love this show, but DANG you admittedly made some great pointers, dude. Not even gonna lie. Especially about the Season 3 intro...it's slow-paced and not as exhilarating as the first one. Oh, and that stiff animation in season 2 and 3 every now and then compared to season 1's fluid works is definately noticeable. I love that you have an opinion with FACTS to back it up. You opened up my eyes, even as a fan myself.
Let's not forget that after Star's wand got updated, they changed on the intro. But on the last seconds, *you can see that she still has her old wand. Oops!* (Thankfully, it was fixed on the last episodes)
The thing with the animation becoming more stiff reminds reminds me of gumball (tawog)
Based much?????
Wanna know the worst part? For Season 4, they didn’t even bother changing the intro.
Your Mermaid man impression was alarmingly accurate.
Your profile picture just makes it funnier, I don't know why...
I kinda wish they had done more early season 1 style episodes now...
Caboose 92m what about Marco Jr and trial by squire
I kinda wish they set up the main plot earlier instead of just wasting time. Season 1 should have been about Mewni, fleshing out where Star comes from with hints of the monster threat in the background or something while she's on Earth. Cue season 2, we're introduced to St. Olga's (and God do I wish that place got more development...) and then season 3 introduces the monsters/plot proper.
@@unicornbunny5439 Like, what infuriated me looking back at the show was how much little time was spent on Mewni in season one before Star was erroneously punted off of it like a football, only for the following seasons to paint Mewni as a TOTAL hellhole. Like, I get that's the point, but God.
Sometimes a show doesn't click with you. It doesn't have to be sone deep reason or an issue with the show. It's not that deep. Sometimes a show is simply not for you.
izayoi2006 That’s true. But SVTFOE also has „objective“ flaws.
Sure, but sometimes a show CAN be for you and still have mistakes. For example Miraculous Ladybug is my type of show, but the storyline and the love story are going by SO slow. And when it does make progress, they find a way to reverse it and BACK to square one. Take the episode Chat Blanc as an example. Same goes for SVTFOE. The show was great, but the 4th season was very VERY rushed. It would’ve been my favorite arc if it wasn’t but ya know, Disney being Disney. Which is why the Toffee Arc was my favorite part of the show.
Actually disney made it clear early on they were only getting 4 seasons. So chalk up the pacing to writer incompetence
True i tried to watch adventure time but after a couple episodes i just had to stop it was too boring for me
That means all media is flawless
Thank you! You're not the only one who doesn't like Star vs. The Forces of Evil. You laid out most of what is wrong with the show perfectly. My main problem with the show is Star Butterfly herself. (and her family history). Now the term Mary Sue has became an umbrella term for a bad character. And if you make the story interesting enough, you can get away with a Mary Sue. But Star? That's how I can describe her. She's a Mary Sue and not engaging at all. Think about it. She's overpowered (basically ripping off Sailor Moon and killing Toffee in one hit), almost everyone loves her, she barely gets into trouble and even if she did it's a mere slap on the wrist. Like in the pilot episode. She BURNS DOWN HER KINGDOM. Instead of punishing her, taking away the wand or banishing her until she learns her lesson they just shrug it off and go "she can't handle it" and send her to earth to train. Or that episode where she sabotages Marco's date, destroyed stuff with her wand and she barely gets a major punishment. Heck half the time she doesn't apologize to Marco when she drags him in the mess SHE made. Tom was a wasted character. He seems to genuinely want to get back together with Star but because of that forced Star/Marco ship it's slowing down potential and development. Star's personality is either flat (overly happy all the time) or just constantly changes. Her family is also wasted because you have this buildup of a family of royals who aren't royal. That could have been a really interesting story. Heck a descendant of an evil queen was good enough! It makes me so frustrated that they threw it out the window.
About her wand, I do agree I like the design but I feel it's a little too childish and simplistic. Okay I get it. Star is childish but she's 14. The wand looks like a rattle and even when she "matures" it's still too simplistic. Why can't they go for a more complicated design? Look at Moon's version of the wand! It compliments her AND it's not too simplistic and looks very creative. It kinda reminds me of those fancy glass bottles. But a few questions. Why does it have a wand charger when there's a unicorn in the wand? Doesn't the unicorn need to eat or go to the bathroom? Why does it perform all of this magic when Moon couldn't kill Toffee? Heck Eclipsa used dark magic and it worked just fine. But when moon does it it fails? Why is there so much build up with this wand when the show isn't centered around it to begin with? Toffee wanted to destroy the wand but....why? He could have used it to conquer Mewni! Or rule the world! If there was a rewrite of this show or something, I would probably like it better than the actual show
Princess Spirit Quartz Exactly!
I feel like I forgot to mention something but if you can point out more things wrong with this show I can agree. Also there are some things that weren't appropriate for kids. Like Moon taking pole dancing and her being naked in front of her daughter in the realm of magic. Isn't she a queen? That's not queen like at all if she takes pole dancing classes and sometimes the story makes you wanna feel but you're left feeling nothing. Like Meteora's backstory. I get they're trying to make us believe she was abused but there isn't enough time and effort to make the story believable. It would have been more effective if you show her as a five year old being ripped away from her mother. The writing is so lackluster it feels lazy half the time.
I already commented why this show could've been a lot better in adult swim
@@wolfcharlie3771 Hmm? How so?
@@PrincessSpiritQuartzFeatherPen Um, when did Moon ever take pole dancing?
I understand. I really do have an interest in the show, but it just doesn't click with me the same way Gravity Falls or Steven Universe have. You can argue all day and night about how any of these is better than the other, but where it all comes down to is what clicks with you.
You know, your opinion is your opinion, but don't for one second, take that kind of "the world revolves around me" attitude to try and discredit something that a majority opinion holds as true, as if your nitpicks or "this doesn't look like it's for me" assessment is the show's fault or the show's problem, or that your perception is anyone else's problem but yours and yours alone.
What matters most isn't your opinion alone, because the entire entertainment world doesn't revolve around what just YOU like. It revolves around what the vast majority of the people that give it ratings and money thinks. One voice in millions is nearly irrelevant. That's just logic. And this show, is absolutely on fire lately with many more people than just you. So that's when you should be asking yourself if YOU'RE the one who is mistaken, and not everyone else.
I feel like you're responding to a whole different comment. I'm not saying anyone's "mistaken". I just don't like it as much as everyone else.
Yeah! :D
yeah i love steven universe but fuck gravity falls
I hate gravity falls it just sucks for me
I'm so glad i'm not alone about absolutely hating the focus on shipping/the love triangle. Season 3 is the best season by far, but good gravy it's got it's problems. It's getting better, but oof- it NEEDS to drop the shipping mess, dropping characters, and sloppy executions (there was such a focus on the Mewmans vs Monsters thing and it went absolutely nowhere) asap.
FrostSplashStudios we're also focusing on the other things in the show like Meteors, Eclipsa, and side characters.. There's certainly more plot based episodes than shipping episodes. It's like "Kevin's Party" episode of Steven Universe when Connie was upset about Steven giving himself up, then just leading up to a party where it just shows Connie and Steven becoming friends again... What I'm saying is, so many people just follow others by saying there's so much shipping when that's what helps this show's type of plot.
SmolTM I know this season had more plot than filler, but I’m coming from my own standpoint and no one else’s. I have problems with this season, filler wasn’t a problem, the execution of the plots that were introduced from the beginning is my problem. We went from Toffee to Eclipsa quite seamlessly, but there was such a focus on Monsters and Mewmans, and yet it all just sorta stopped. We never every saw Buff Frog be Mewni’s monster expert, but supposedly it was a rough job for him. I’d rather have a series show rather than tell. I like the show a lot, but it has its problems. It’s okay to point them out and still enjoy the show.
AGREED.
I think Mewmans vs Monsters will go somewhere. Star wanted to bring equality to them, and now a true blood mewman and Trigon, I mean a monster will be the king and queen. Some plots get dropped arbitrarily but I don't see them forgetting the themes here. Eclipaa is the embodiment of what Star wanted: A mewman and monster coming together and being a part of a family.
I think the third season was by far the worst, and it is precisely because of the second love triangle, which is not only a disservice to the overall plot, but also to the characters, and to the romance aspect of the show itself.
honestly, it has been the worst decision the show has ever taken.
Also, finally! someone else actually noticed the massive waste that was the Monsters rights plot line! if they hadn't wasted time on a second and completely unnecessary love triangle and actually fleshed out the monster's rights plotline, i might actually have felt something for star in the mid season finale, when her efforts crumbled away.
I am still super bitter that ''Is another mystery'' which i expected to be my Buff frog episode i was waiting for, was almost completely hi-jacked by the godawful Star/Tom dynamics, FUCK!
I finally don’t feel alone. I always thought that svtfoe was a “good show” but anytime I’ve tried to watch it, I could get through just 1 episode. I just can’t get into it as a show, I know I’ll most - likely get hate for this, but it’s my opinion.
Welp. Looks like this aged amazingly. Fuck the Season 4 Finale, what a massive disappointment that was, still not over it. Man was I once a fan of this show...
I really miss Wander over Yonder.
Toonaur1 ikr! It just has that nostalgic feel to it even though I watched it when I was much older
I love that show.
Toonaurz same
That show needs to get on Cartoon Nework it will be wonderius
Coming from a big fan of Star VS The Forces of Evil, I can understand why you don’t like the show. You made a lot of great points, and some of them I actually agree with, particularly that Pony Head is this show’s Ronaldo.
TC MACK I thought Starfan13 was this series' Ronaldo, only not as annoying
Pony head is more like this series' Kevin, if he had more screentime (please don't)
Bruno Linares who's Starfan13? Is she that Tootie look alike that harasses Star?
Dave102693 yup, that one
Bruno Linares ewwww. That character is a waste of space.
Bruno Linares She isn’t great, but at least she isn’t super selfish and a jerk to the other characters like Pony Head and Ronaldo.
This is why you gotta make a show and not appeal to your fanbase. The ENTIRE fandom is just spanish shipping comics (I've looked)
The older fans just give it amazing crossovers (Ask me about how it would totally work with Rick and Morty cause I can explain you a THING)
But yeah it seems like Disney is throwing story away for the sake of "LET'S JUST GIVE THEM MORE SMOOCHING TO DRAW IN A COMIC"
K. Charrette spanish lol hahahahaah
LOL I wasn't even trying to make a statement, I just straight up find a lot of them and am like "This looks nice. Can't read it but..."
i swear those Spanish artists can turn any children animated series into quality hentai, SVTFOE is just a small example
I'm spanish, and i'm an artist, but boy... THOSE spanish artist are the worst!
You don’t know much spanish comic porn I’ve seen about SVTFOE. For a show that’s supposed to be for kids 12-14, they just ruined it.
Ok, this is going to be long. The shipping dude, omg the fucking shipping is what have ruined this series the most. The worst part is that lots of teenagers who are SVTFOE fans see themselves as “victims of love” just as Star did herself while she was the one who pushed Marco to be with Jackie on the first place to then ruin their relationship with that confession just to find out she completely forgot about him days after that with Tom (when basically she only used Tom to forget about him). And yeah, this is important because the series is showing Star as a “victim” every single time, it even portrayed Marco as a bad person just because he got to finally be with someone else (someone that he has always liked) but when Star gets together with Tom and even had the nerve to rub her new relationship to Marco’s face and to ignore him everyone in the fandom approved this behavior but the worst part was when the entire community of fans stated that “Marco deserved this” because “reasons”. I used to liked the series for the plot (the main plot) but the shipping thing just made this series shittier, immature and totally not enjoyable.
I hated the first part of Season 3 of Star Vs Tfoe because Marco had a fallout (in this order) Star, Jackie, hekapoo and Star again
Like come on man give this lad a break and (in S3 Ep8 A) Star made Marco her squire the next episode (S3 Ep8 B) was about showing that Marco was only her squire just so that they could hang out again but a 2 episodes later Star treats him like crap just because he was her squire (talk about manipulation) and the first thing Star said after they kissed was "We kissed, you're my squire"
@@soopy6667 To me, it just seems like what I call “The SpongeBob effect” where the characters get more boring and lazily written, the only good character becomes the butt of a joke, which consists of someone being hurt whilst no one laughs, the animation gets worse and starts shipping characters to create a plot point for an episode.
I only have ONE problem:
1. Toffee died.
GIVE HIM BAAAACKKK!!!!
Tibor Kruljac What do you actually like about toffee?
INSERT USERNAME ikr?
Tibor Kruljac Toffee's death was the moment the show jumped the shark, imo.
Axel how so?
Fandom: Gimme' more plot episodes! I want every plot done as fast as fuq!
Nefcy: Okay bitches. >:]
I really hate that cartoons nowadays are just teasing plots while we have to endure 100 episodes of filler. If your gonna be a comedy stay a comedy.
Ur talking about Steven Universe righ?
Wonder over Yander did this right imo
the cartoon you describe is Steven Universe not SVTFOE, since this cartoon started the plot almost right ahead (since season 2) while SU took around 3 seasons to get somewhere and immediately gets interrupted by filler, but when SVTFOE starts heavy plot lines they you them
Watch it before being a gullible sheep
I do watch SVTFOE is no different from SU. Firstly, the plot came out of nowhere and was forced, due to this there was no proper build up to the more serious events, which by the way were good ideas but handled poorly and we did have to endure lots of filler especially from that stupid love triangle which is just ship pandering.
I agree. And people say modern cartoons are better than modern anime lol. (Even if both have their problems).
This video aged incredibly well, no kidding.
The last season was a nightmare of plot issues
Unicorn Bunny Let is know when you actually saw it.
Me, I’m not going back to it because I wanna spend my time with the best things.
I am a huge SVTFOE fan, but I have nothing against you for disliking the series. Everyone has the right to have their own opinions, whether they’re popular or unpopular.
I like SVTFOE but I can understand your criticism on the supporting characters and love triangles for the most part
I’m actually GLAD it’s almost over. The shipping gave me war flashbacks to RWBY(looking at you YELLOWJACKET)
But don’t get me wrong, what kept me going were the PLOT points of the show(mostly Eclipsa, Toffee, racism of Mewni, Queen Moon...) But whenever the SHIPPING part came, I rolled my eyes so much........This is DISNEY we’re talking about.....OF COURSE the main girl and guy always get together....
Although I disagree with most of your points there is one thing I do agree with.
The music is awesome. Some of the best cartoon background music ever.
Zapped Cannon also, se all hate ponyhead... A LOT.
Take Bon Bon The Birthday Clown's OST as a reference for the variety of brilliant music this show has to offer. There's a video including the most important ones, and the way they make you feel when you watch the episode along with it... It's just amazing.
I honestly used to love this show, but the the show went into such a different direction, dropped all the characters I love (Janna, Jackie, Buffrog, Ludo, Toffee) and now there’s only three characters I still love (Tom, Eclipsa and Meteora) and they have too many different ideas of what they want the plot to be (The Toffee arch, the Eclipsa arch, Ludo and his gang, the monster-mewman issue) and not to mention all the shipping. I don’t ship Starco at all, but love Jarco and Tomstar. Starco is too forced and the fandom doesn’t help with that aspect. I literally hang around with this show only because of Tom, Eclipsa and Meteora (mostly Tom lol)
Squid Spork exactly, once they dropped everything in sophomore slump I couldn’t watch the show with the same interest anymore, all the things that made the show good were just lost.
Janna, Buffrog and Ludo are still there
Bálint Szöllősi They still exist but don’t have much prominence in the series, not as much as before. Janna only appears rarely sometimes, Buffrog hasn’t really been utilized they didn’t even do much with his expert job and they just wrote him out with the other monsters so they likely won’t explore him anymore unless the plot demands it and Ludo also hasn’t been utilized. As far as I know he only had one appearance of importance to the plot after battle for Mewni and I’m not even sure where they’re going with his character.
I'm the opposite. I think the show has gotten better.
Squid Spork though i still love the show i so agree with you, many characters i loved just left and i feel like the show one time is focusing on one plot and leaves you thinking they will continue it, but then it either just jumps straight to one plot and ignores the other or just abandons it completely and/or is finished anticlimaticly and .... ohhh boy, the shipping ..... do i seriously need to talk about how much of a diservice to the show is the fact that Starco tease even exists? Like i love how the show sets up all these sentimental clichés to destroy them, but the whole romsntic subplot completely goes against this, they basically have the 2 main characters, who are best friends, develop romantic feelings for eachother and only realize when one is dating another one of their love interests and have told you since season 1 that they are destined to be together (via blood moon bond in the case of thus show, wich also makes it feel kinda forced as they have very little options of who to date due to this curse always screwing up their other relationships and probably heing the only reason why they are attracted to eachother in the first place), these 4 things combined make up the most cliché thing ever and i have hope that again this is just the show setting up a major sentimental cliché to destroy it and Star and Marco don't end up together, i would give a lot of praise to the writters if they did this. As stated before, i still love the show, i would probably even call it my favorite, but they really need to stop trying to focus on too many plots, leaving some unresolved and making me feel like what we went through in episodes that i count as the best of the show was just a waste of time and they really need to stop the shipping.
Ok, saying Running with Scissors was pointless just isn’t true. The events in that episode and battle for Mewni are what lead him to deciding to leave Earth and become a knight. It also transformed him into a more confident leader which payed off in the season 3 finale. Also the combat training he got in that episode has been crucial to several episodes since then.
From his return we already got hints that his experiences changed how he sees Earth and how he’s grown out of wanting to date Jackie (which is why he desperately tries to make it work even when he knows it can’t).
Also, the original title of the series was “Star and the forces of evil” which better represents the show. But Disney thought “vs” would be more marketable and so it changed.
*Knight*
Jake Pulley But don't you think it would have been better if it actually had impact in Season 2? Also that episode didn't really help his combat training. He had trouble fighting Bird and Spider of all things and he hasn't been on equal footing with Star anymore. Star's been the one getting all the powerups and spotlight, and Marco has been left in the dust.
Axel There was literally a moment in the season 3 finale where Star and Marco had a fight and Marco was able to defeat all of Star’s best spells. I’d say that’s still equal footing.
Jake Pulley Not imo. The Warnicorns weren't as big as they were in previous episodes, these spells were cast in an enclosed space so that hinders their destructive capability, Marco was pretty much forced to win so the plot could go forward(the show doesn't take fight scenes seriously anymore imo), and I can honestly think of more destructive or better spells than the ones Star cast.
What I like about this channel is he actually gives his thought out reasons for why he doesn’t like something instead of some who just say “it has too much hype”
Though I really like SVTFOE I can understand very well why he doesn’t because he lays out the points in full
A lot of reviewer's give their thoughts for why they don't like something.
Season two was probably the strongest season in terms of overall writing, and "Ludo in the Wild" was the best episode. In fact, I would go so far as to say that "Ludo in the Wild" is the best 11-minute episode of the entire series, and "Bon Bon the Birthday Clown" is the best 22-minute episode. The writing has become much weaker in season three.
"Missed opportunities for development" is incredibly true for season three in particular. I'm surprised to hear that you like season three the best -- I thought the latest season had some incredibly weak writing in terms of setup-payoff and some uneven pacing. Season two had a _very_ slow burn in terms of exploring Star's secret feelings for Marco as well as plot-related developments, whereas the third season rushes through all that, pausing from time to time for awful episodes ("The Bogbeast of Boggabah").
same old generic paragraph criticism as everyone else
Holy shit, i didn't expect to find the best theorist in the fandom here of all places.
I am glad i wasn't the only one that found Season 3 to be weak, i particularly despised the romance aspect this time around, it went a break neck speed, sucked up time that could have been used better (Star's crusade for monster rights for example), and it ultimately feels like we have jogged in place for an entire season, i don't think any character involved in that love triangle gained anything from it, especially Tom, who clearly wasn't built up or designed as a character for that purpose, like jamming a square on a round crevice, i think Tom was just horrible handled.
Ludo in the wild is my fav episode! I am a ludo fan :/
Vaylon Kenadell Couldn't agree more. Season 2 showed alot of potential for the show that the following season completely squandered. The only thing that kept me going in Season 3 was the Meteora arc. 'Ludo in the Wild' is my favourite episode as well, but I had to name a episode that I'd call truly epic, it was 'Skooled'. It made me wish that Miss Heinous was set up to be the endgame villain instead of a mid-season one.
It's not surprising you mentioned season 2 being the strongest. That's the season that brought on Giancarlo Volpe, whose other works include being a director for Avatar The Last Airbender and Star Wars The Clone Wars, co-creator of Green Lantern The Animated Series, and later on being a producer for The Dragon Prince. He definitely helped bring the show to new heights, but his departure from the series after Battle For Mewni greatly affected the quality.
This show has clicked on me more than Steven and Gravity Falls. Idk why
Farhaan Ali I love all three to, espically Steven, but if I had to pick one it would be svtfoe
Go head watch it no one will stoppin ya!
Yikes!
Same here. I could never get into gravity falls and steven universe is obnoxious and an eyesore.
fae chan SHHHHHH... DONT SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT SU...... THE TOXIC FANDOM WILL MURDER YOU.....
It's exactly like arrow. The writer's go on to Tumblr and see what the fans want, then do the exact opposite of that.
mythicalgryffn exactly like Arrow (and the Flash and Supergirl to an lesser extent).
mythicalgryffn wait so they PLANNED this?!😱
@mythical, Except Star is still actually good, even with its flaws. Arrow has been weak this season.......
As if they have proper time to incorporate fan input. You know animation takes a long long time right?
lol, i find that incredibly amusing.
Tom deserved better. PERIODT
The fandom is really cancerous, change my mind
Erza Scarlet icon nice!
All big fandoms are.
Change my mind.
I mean the star fandom didn’t bully a girl into a committing suicide over a drawing of a character that was different from the official art. The star fandom also didn’t hear about that girl committing suicide and KEEP GOING with the harassment and doxxing. THAT is true cancer
Well considering that is a statement and not a question there isn't a way to change your mind
I tried to get into the fandom but it made me hate the show a little bit
Still waiting on the analysis of your Johnny Test character tierlist
Queue And Dukey
gonna be honest even though I agree with alot of these points and I *mean really agree on*
I still find star to be a better show,I just feel we waste less time on the show and hit plot points faster
not only that but I don't care about the characters in steven universe and sometimes the same goes with star which is why I glad star doesn't do it as far as steven I still *love* the the video though once again great work
Even though I love Steven Universe and I think the characters ARE it's strong suit (the only reason I watch the show) it has complete failings in the pacing and story structure. that's where Star completely one ups it - not perfectly obviously, but they managed to get me into the story and through it a lot faster than SU does, so it never lost my interest like su did.
I agree. Star is much more focused on progressing the storyline than Steven universe lately which seems to just meander back and forth between the slice of life/townie eps and gem related eps. Like honestly, with SU I feel like it's always one step forward and ten steps back - basically we're getting nowhere with the story. But I'm a person who has to know how the story ends so I'll still be watching SU even though it's lost my interest but in terms of the better show I'd have to say it's star vs as I'm a person who values progressing the story over everything else.
Akira Hayama Star does progress it’s story but the story itself isn’t the best. So much of their plot is solved through deus ex machina and rushed endings
Dr. Caesars Palace MD did you seriously use the same username as your reddit account. I get the idea, but just because they introduce plot faster, doesn’t mean the plot itself is good. So much of their stuff is done without explanation and their end goal is unclear. At least we have a basic idea of how su will end, defeating homeworld. Meanwhile I’m not sure what star is trying to do, especially after what happened to toffee
Studio CONGO4.0 but that’s kind of shallow. Just because star shows plot faster. Doesn’t mean the plot itself is good. They use a lot of deus ex machina, character development is lacking and after what happened to toffee. I’m not sure what the end goal is anymore. Also Steven universe has the disadvantage of a shitty schedule. So of course the show’s plot will move slower than star
I thought I was the only one conflicted about this show. I always ignored the filler episodes since they never entertained me and the whole Starco thing annoys me to all hell. Moon, Eclipsa, Meteora, and Toffee were the only characters I found interesting and their arcs were the only reason why I stayed, not for Star, Marco, or any of the other characters. I absolutely hate love triangles in narratives and find the constant tonal shifts in the story distracting.
I'm glad you have the integrity to still post a video regarding your own opinion. I really like Star vs. but its nice to hear the other side sometimes
I like this show. I do. But I'm not going to pretend that I don't have grievances with it.
I LOOOVE that they stepped up the stories and the atmosphere of the show in seasons 2 and especially 3 compared to season 1. But the damn "romances" keep mucking it up. And even now it still feels like it's not going to be resolved even going into season 4.
And even in regards to the stories, it doesn't feel like we're seeing anything really "wrapped up" either. Sure there was the Toffee arc, but I honestly thought they WASTED his character AND his appeal in the Star vs lore. There's also the ongoing conspiracy about the Butterfly family not rightfully earning the throne, which looks like is going to be a major plot point of season 4 as well.
Things are certainly always developing, but nothing ever feels fully resolved either. It's frustrating.
As far as the characters go, I can definitely see that I'm a lot more forgiving to them than you are. At least in general. Ponyhead is obnoxious as hell, Glossaryck's character is just baffling to me, and I could not care less for Ludo. And the funny part is they are giving him, or at least trying to give him, some actual depth.
Yeah you have a point now
Someone on the staff must love Ponyhead, because I certainly don't.
hes the Ronaldo of Star Vs
They use her because it's Jenny Slate :/
The shipping in the show makes the hole thing unwatchable
Ahmad Aljfri yeah your so awesomely incorrect
The episode where marcó and star kissed was soooo.... Awful I averted my eyes.
7:21 “by season 5”
Me: HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
*angrily smashes dislike button*
Nah not really.
In all seriousness I do really like this show but you're raising a lot of great issues that I've also had with the show.
Totally agree with basically all of the first half of the video (especially about Glossarick and Ponyhead. I find them so annoying).
The show getting rid of more and more characters as it went on is something I actually liked, since it just meant spending more time with the actually interesting characters.
The story being a bit messy is another thing that I get but don't really mind, since I usually watch StarVs as a popcorn show to just have some fun for maybe an hour if I have free time, so not a big deal for me, but I totally understand why it would be for others.
I know this is random but...
Btw, check this video
czcams.com/video/ua-ANnAVLjA/video.html
It's a really detailed video about how SVTFOE got screwed up
I got a similar problem with the shipping. But especially in regards to Tom who is one of the BEST written characters on the show, I love him a lot and he's one of the biggest reasons I still like the show.
But bringing him in for the love triangle nonsense like this? Like I'm enjoying seeing him and star together, but then there are things like Star ignoring him and marco kissing her while she's dating Tom that really bother me.
Like if the show has the intent to get star and marco together, having them not only be horrible partners to Tom and jackie, but also have them directly lined to cheating is making them less and less appealing as a couple and more like them dating each other sends some really bad messages.
Not to mention Marco in s3 is a unlikable character half the time, which also doesn't help -_-
I still like the show, and I find enjoyment in it still. But I share similar opinions on the love stuff and honestly I would much rather focus on characters like eclipsa or tom these days then any romance between star and marco.
Jessica Wiseman agreed minus Marco’s character
Yeh i agreed except for the marco is unlikable thing
I agree that Marco is kind a despicable in S3.
Leaving Jackie, a girl who loves him the way he is and support him. Then we have Tom, who has BIGGER characters development than Star but trapped in triangle love.
Man, just let Jackie and Tom get together. At least I won't be that sour.
Tom is horribly written, possibly the most mangled character in the entire show. The show just *baaaareeely* taped on a character arc for Tom in season 2, and then poof, he was gone for half a season, and then they just cram him in season 3 with no lube or build up whatsoever and he is apparently completely developed off screen, what the actual flying fuck?
At first i tought it was a red herring, and it was going to be revealed that Tom was being dishonest again, and that would be the catalyst for his actual development. because surely, the writers of this show cannot be this incompetent right?
haha! nope, they played it straight!
After his extremely abrupt and poorly executed introduction, the only thing the show does is show Tom for like 3 seconds per episode if he is in the episode at all, and when he does actually get some lime light, it is dedicated to show why his relationship with Star is dysfunctional, and to constantly drive the point home that Tom is Star's rebound, nothing more than a fall back plan, what the shit!?
The boothbuddies happens and i think to myself ''Well since the relationship that obviously had no future will soon end, maybe they'll pick up on his development afterwards?'' i mean, Tom had basically been in stasis, his character didn't go anywhere, he was just...there, a plot device meant to enable the romantic plotline, kind of like Jackie.
And then woof, divide and conquer happens and they cramp every single aspect of a Tom development in an incredibly rushed and cluncky fashion, the markings of a redemption arc that should have happened a season ago, the bonding with Marco which was absolutely out of place because they hadn't had interactions for almost two and a half seasons, and even the supposed climax of his character arc ''letting go'' of Star practically.
It was absolutely pitiful, Pony head as been better written than Tom, i can scarcely believe the writers could fuck up a character this badly.
Tom was never all that, working with character flaws is grade school levels of character development/conflict, in truth he was kind of middle tier, since his main scthick was pretty basic, and his little screen time made him rather flat as a character. But man, he deserved better.
But as Legend of Korra, Steven Universe, Adventure Time and other shows had clearly demonstrated, as long as your character is aesthetically pleasing, your character has an even remotely interesting characteristic and you pretend you are actually developing them, people will suck it up like a metroid does a brain, it doesn't matter how atrocious it may be, how mangled the development maybe or even how trite the ultimate development is, people will fill in the blanks with supposition, self insert, make believe and goodwill, i call it ''the Marceline Syndrome''
cestalia Marco doesn't leave Jackie, he actively begs her to give him a second chance, Jackie is the one that dumps him because she is smart enough to know she does't deserve to be second fiddle.
If you type something like Marco ''left'' Jackie, i am not entirely confident of your ability to digest and understand media, that would also explain why you like Tom.
Tom had bigger character developments because they were crammed in 4 episodes with no actual build up or character work, just the changes, we refer to this as ''hamfisted'' writing, Star doesn't have that luxury, because for all it's shortcoming, one character you can trust the show will not fuck up too badly is Star.
And even then, bigger changes doesn't translate into ''more interesting'' changes, contending with personal flaws and becoming a better person are grade school levels of character development, and people have been calling it for a while now, it's simple and predictable, how is it any different from the Starco most Tom fans hates?
An interesting development for Tom would have been to have him contend with the fact that his worst actions are borne from selfishness and pride, and not anger, to have him finally face the fact that he has been using anger issues as his go to excuse for his more insidious flaws as a person.
But nah, that would have been too much for the show that doesn't even bother giving Tom an episode in more than two seasons.
I am starting to suspect this show hates Tom.
Okay my main issue I have with this argument, you critsized SVTFOE for having character and story problems then praised Steven Universe even though it has the same problems.
Steven Universe has glaring character issues considering how many episodes it has. You don't learn much about main character lore until the very end of season one and even that focus is miniscule. The worst thing about Steven universe is the lack of focus on story! I mean season two there is a massive challenge place in front of the team in the first couple of episodes, then it's ignored until the last two episodes in which the problem is solved in a matter of minutes.
Not only that but juding Star's animation to Steven Universe is night and day. Yes Steven Universe has a beautiful art style, but characters are often off model, and the animation is ridiculously underwhelming. Every camera angle is the same and movement even in fight scenes is just blah.
Yes, thank you. He honestly felt biased towards Steven Universe, when one could argue the exact same issues about story and pacing.
I would even consider su as significantly worse
It's still better than SVTFOE
*My Problems with Star Vs. the Forces of Evil scene selection*
1. All the Good Things Going for Star Vs. the Forces of Evil (0:00-0:36)
2. Looking Back at Star Vs. the Forces of Evil (0:36-1:35)
3. The Characters Are Just Kind of There I Guess (1:35-8:12)
4. I'm 75% sure that no one knew where the story was going until midway through Season 2 (8:12-11:24)
5. Yes, I do have enough problems with the animation to make a segment about it (11:24-14:05)
6. They more things change, the more they stay the same (AKA Season 3 is just fine)
(14:05-15:15)
7. The Verdict (15:15-16:21)
I watched the first episode of this series when it first aired, thought it was pretty alright, then I forgot it existed until Eclipsa showed up. She is the reason I watch this series.
i kind of hate how almost every show that airs right now that doesn't have "lore" and "depth" to it doesn't really get that much attention online (with the few expections like gumball, the loud house, and wander over yander) now am not saying every show should just either be a slice of life or a comedy but i feel their needs to be a bit more variety. have some actions, have some dramedy shows, and have some simple comedy shows that you can watch with a family or friends.
a story based show is just inherently more interesting than an episodic cartoon. theres much more to talk about
Literally Everyone: Omg tomco would be so much better.
Me: I think its better if there wasnt ANY ships in the show.
Yes! Just let the story and the precious plot roll on!
Even Starco could've worked out. But noooo the Blood Moon Curse has to be a thing.
I died at the angry fans part, lol.
To the dislikes button
I bet PhantomStrider is one of them who doesn’t like to hear bad things about the show because he failed to understand them on purpose!
I understand where you are coming from I don't like steven universe for similar reasons.
What they did to Jackie was a crime
Although I adore Star vs The Forces Of Evil, I can see where you’re coming from. But for me there was just something about it... Something that made me want to keep watching. I don’t quite know what, but it just did. Where as with Steven Universe I just couldn’t get into it, no matter how much I wanted to like it I just couldn’t. My friend actually had the same problem. She said that no matter how many times she tried to watch it, it just didn’t appeal to her.
Remember kids.
The writer of this show ruining the show itself by adding lot of love drama
I'm sure Daron hired a fanfic writer instead of intellectual writer who cares about the plot.
But, i still loved this show.
But i hate the storywriting
The funny thing is, some of the fanfics I find either on Reddit or Facebook have much better writing energy, shows potential and makes a much better ending than the canonical writing itself.
Why is this rant so accurate?
agree
Because... *IT'S THE TRUTH*
@cestalia, Truth? Some of the things Nick says are definitely subjective.
Sexy101 As a person who involves and watch animation in span of several years, at least you can agree the romance take you nowhere.
It's a dang circle. Star with Tom, Star with Marco then it returns to beginning again.
It has good potential, really dig Eclipsa and Meteora story, but some episodes is quite dragging.
“I really hope I’m not the only one out there who finds her (PonyHead) annoying”
You and JelloApocolypse would get along great
I gotta say, I hated the finale so much. While the first 2 Seasons weren’t the best, it was fine and there were still many good episodes, and the 3rd Season was very good, I loved the premiere and the finale, but then Season 4. The beginning was fine, with Star helping Eclipsa out with working as the ruler of Mewni. But then the end came. Really? Mina as the big villain!? We already had her as a big villain in the Mid 3rd Season finale. And then they made this big twist that Moon was the villain, WHY would she DO that!? She became close to Eclipsa, she was fine with the monsters in Mewni, so WHY! And then they forced all this Starco stuff, and I personally never liked the romantic subplots, it was just to appeal to pre-teen girls so that Disney could get their sitcom viewers to watch their animation. But, the way the look at each other in that barn scene, and the way they just had Star break up with Tom and Marco break up with Kelli, they made them act like jerks! And then, my biggest gripe, the destruction of magic. What the heck. Star literally committed mass genocide. The Magic Council, dead. Spider With a Top Hat and the other spells, dead. My love for this show, lowered by 40%. Not only are many good characters dead, but all the Monsters and Mewmans being mixed in with humans, well, I’m sure many of them died. We literately saw a couple getting chased by a mutant spider. Who knows, what if Jackie died, what if Marco’s family died? And all of this, for Marco and Star to make ou- oh wait, they didn’t even do that for the fans who like the shipping. I guess they ruined the show for casual fans AND hardcore shipping fans. Oh, and to those who are blaming the rushed ending on the corporates at Disney cancelling the show, you’re wrong. The crew of the show planned for it to end at the 4th Season, and they planned for this ending. Wow. If you want a Disney toon that’s really good and doesn’t disappoint, I recommend Gravity Falls, Amphibia, The Owl House, Big Hero 6 The Series, and the Ducktales Reboot.
Nicktendo: **doesn't care for sVTFOe before season 4**
Me: oh boy if you see it, you'll not be happy with it
Man i miss the bouncy animation from Season 1. Toon Boom looked amazing! Just compare the old intro vs the new intro where the animation is more stiff.
Glad to know I'm not the only one. The new animation isn't bad at all - about the same level as Gravity Falls - but it's rare to come across animation as fantastically energetic as what we had in season 1.
And yeah, the new intro does look more stilted. Everything moves at roughly the same pace, and the run cycle is just painfully dull.
Most of season 1, Mercury Filmworks from Canada stood for the animation, with the program Toon Boom which is an evolved version of Flash animation. The shading, the colors, the lighting and the fluid animation and facial expressions looked AMAZING! Now it's done by various studios in South Korea, the same ones that did Gravity Falls. It looks good, but it doesn't compare at all. Most likely cheaper too, so of course!
I know the first season intro is damn GOOD!
I think people just really wanted another gravity falls to cling on to, so they latched onto this and Steven universe.
EDIT: Yes, SU was popular before GF ended. That doesn't ruin my point.
They're both awesome though ;-;
Opal loves you! Steven Rapeuverse
ZanoxTheFaggot69 oh yeah, that terrible video.
Egg Benedict Steven universe is actually good though and can survive as it’s own thing. Star feels like a more shallow show with more Mabel
Chanelle Lee Excuse me???
Only thing I don't agree with is side character development with Steven Universe... I know that's an odd point to make, but you compared Star's flaws to SU's flaws. A lot of SU's side characters are rather boring considering how much airtime they get. Sure, they feel like real people... But real people can be boring. Not saying that Star is any better. Personally, I think a smaller cast would help both shows from darting around with too many characters.
Edit: Though I totally agree with the shipping thing.
1. Too much focus on shipping
2. Underwhelming final villain
3. Ponyhead
4. Controversial finale
This Shit is also A rip-off of Sailor Moon. (I'm not a nostalgia fan)
@@sailormoonfan4lifemusicism99 well yeah it was inspired by sailor moon but i wouldn't call it a rip off (at least in my opinion, this isn't a fact)
Dear GOD, this video felt like it was reading my damn mind. I really enjoyed season 1 and the very beginning of season 2 when I first watched it, especially the episodes with Toffee and the direction the series was going. But I quickly fell out of watching Season 2 because I simply find the filler less entertaining than Steven Universe. I often see art or interesting characters or story events on my feeds all the time, and there are some great segments, but it feels like the show was built to be more shallow and has stayed that way for the whole run for me. I ESPECIALLY want to thank you for talking about the animation, I felt like I was going crazy when I saw so many slow-moving characters whenever I watched filler and yet found so many good cuts of the show during serious moments. Thanks so much for this vid!!! It’s so good to see others feel the same way towards it
Yeah, the change in the animation was also a surprise for me. I liked the expressiveness it had at the beginning.
I do get that they wanted to be more serious with the tone, but it makes the show look a bit stiff at times. On the other hand, I appreciate the smoothness in some of the later episodes.
NOOB!!
Okay, it wasn't just me. I really enjoyed season 1 and some of season 2 as well but the further it went, the least interested I became. I think partially because it focused harder on the "Will they? Won't they?" thing and the constant shifting love triangles. I was like; "Is this an adventure show for kids or a friggin' soap opera?!!"
Star Vs. is just the Disney XD version of Steven Universe, I mean think about it. Both have fandoms that dominate Tumblr, both are character/story-driven cartoons, and both somehow have underdeveloped characters outside the main group despite their premise, and both shows have a better, older alternative available from the same network (Gravity Falls and Adventure Time [though I'd argue Gumball as well] respectively). To Star's credit, though, it at least has more consistent animation quality, and I like the fact that Star actually *attempts* to build the world of Mewni, unlike SU where it feels like it goes off and on with trying to build up the Gems and the animation is... well, I'm sure you all know how schizophrenic *that* is.
I actually think that SU handles it's characters much better because it actually gives you the time to actually know them over the course of several episodes. (The Ronaldo ones are complete trash though) I don't think Star Vs. does that nearly as well. The fact that they put every Earth-centric character on a bus sans a few (Janna, Marco's parents) pretty much proved to me that the writers felt that they really didn't find that aspect of the show was of much importance.
The irony is that the show was originally pitched to Cartoon Network before Disney snatched it up and accepted it.
Garjo Yea, maybe, but even then SU still has its share of problems. I saw a couple of episodes around the later seasons, and I distinctly remember episodes where the focus was on Steven's friends, and the main plot was either about them being stupid and learning a half-assed lesson at the end, or treading the *same exact* problem (an actual one, I should specify) they had like, 5 episodes ago, thus unnecessarily repeating their development. It gets annoying real fast.
Not to mention I just couldn't care for ANY of the Beach City folks aside from Steven's dad and Connie. For all of SV's problems with its side characters, I can at least say I cared a little bit about a few of them like Marco's friends, Ponyhead, Janna, the parents of both Star and Marco, and Jackie.
DING DING DING, exactly what I was thinking. Star's at least attempting to build Mewni and its world, where Steven feels like the characters are NPCs built around Steven rather than fleshed out.
I can definitely see why one would you would prefer Star over Steven Universe, that’s totally fine!! They both have heir issues with pacing/extra stuff no one wants, and it seems like the one you prefer depends on your taste and which side characters and main characters you like more.
However, I would like to say that while I love Gumball to DEATH, it really couldn’t be considered a “superior previous cartoon” to Steven Universe based on their differences alone. Gumball has fantastic background character development and humor, but it’s also a satirical comedy exclusively. It has no serious overarching storyline or worldbuilding like Steven Universe; it does it very well, but uses it for a completely different purpose. I get where you’re coming from, and I could accept an argument that Adventure Time is a better older show (though I hear it has very similar problems too...), but I don’t think Gumball, of all great shows, is comparable to Steven Universe.
Season 1-2 was good. After that the show just kept falling. And of course came S4. God damn that ending was so bad. They focused to much on shipping. If you wanted starco, just dont add Jackie. (One Year Late)
Also Toffee gets killed by a fucking blast. WOW GREAT WAY TO END AN IMPORTANT CHARACTER. (THAT HAS REGENERATION POWER).
SVTFOE ALWAYS SUCKED!!!!!
"by season 5, i bet the only character we're gonna focus on is the top half of star" (7:25)
Me: sad ora noises
Honestly, I'm a huge fan of this fan. BUT I do see your points and I completely agree with you. I guess we just see the same thing in two different ways.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this way, thank you
The thing that bothered me the most was that when they did something cool they almost immediately threw it out the window. I was hyped when I saw how Marco became after his 16 year long adventure, he couldn't remember the password for his pc etc and I felt that he would become more interesting and get more developed but nope just back to old Marcoboy.
Yeah, and most people back then were mostly worried that starco is pedophili! bc Marco was now 30ish in mind.
*Siiiiiiiiiiigh*
One thing that has bugged me at times, is when it seems something is going to possibly be important...and then, they just ignore it.
A good example is in the St Olga's episode in Season 1. For 10-15 seconds, Star and Marco find themselves in a room with a mural on the ceiling, and symbols on the floor. The music and atmosphere makes us feel, 'this could be important.'
Plus, the "Starfari" episode to me, was a major, botched storyline that could really have delved further into the monster/mewman divide, but just made it a 'oh, Jelly Goodwell is an expert but is really a kooky old kook' episode. Plus, they had a great chance to develop Buff Frog into his role as Monster Expert. I was expecting some stuff with him and his kids around the castle (maybe River would have to tone down his love of monster-hunting, with Star telling him, 'Dad, that isn't going to fly in the face of changing how we do things around here.'). Instead, we just got Buff saying, 'this didn't work out, all us monsters are just going to leave.
This series is a lot like that kid you know has the potential to be really great, but he just chooses to meander and take most of his skills for granted. There's so much chance to really focus on drama with Star, but I will admit after Season 3, I'm just feeling 'meh' about alot of this.
The same can be said about Steven universe. So much potential, yet they keep wasting time.
Actually, that scene from the SVTFOE St Olga's episode is foreshadowing the main conflict of S4. I flipped my shit when I found out.
Is there evidence to back that up, or is this more fan-theories?
It feels like fan-theories outnumber actual information for upcoming episodes, on a 5-to-1 basis.
Daron put out some tarot cards to promote the upcoming spell book. On the back of Eclipsa's card is a depiction of her monster husband, and a bunch of demons that match the mural from the St Olga's.
check this video
czcams.com/video/ua-ANnAVLjA/video.html
It's a really detailed video about how SVTFOE got screwed up
Ok but lets talk about how good craig of the creek is, like its soooo good
Jon Catipon why is that a bad thing?
CatPaste your mum gay
I like star, but it's cool man. Everyone has their own tastes and opinions. You do you my dude.
I dOn'T cArE wHAt yOu tHiNk!
CAMERA PHONE!
Me:
*Opens TV*
*Sees the Ending of Cleaved*
*Turns off TV*
*;-; ;-; ;-; ;-; ;-;*
Fuck that ending, I do not accept it as canon
Omg when are people going to quit comparing svtfoe to Steven Universe? It's so annoying.
coldmansf 13 instead of comparing and contrasting, just have a crossover 😂
They are actually very alike actually and actually suffer from a bit of the same issues but I feel SU is more miss than hit. God damn do I just find all of the characters very annoying
Quavion Deering You have a point.
+coldmansf 13 Way faster you mean
Thing that SVFOE has over SU is that it didn't take 50 episodes to start going somewhere
I'm a pretty big fan of "Star" myself, but I can completely understand where you're coming from (especially with your points about the characters)
i absolutely hate ponyhead. I don’t understand how Star, being a very bubbly and kind person, even became friends with someone so selfish as ponyhead.
Kinda reminds me of how Adam Sandler, a guy who is sick of his own lowbrow humor in the 2010s Happy Madison films is friends with someone a lot less sick of it like Kevin James.
"I'm sorry this video was kind of depressing, but hey, now you feel the way I do!" >:[
dammit I love seeing him rip on things but I love star this is hard to watch oh well your still awesome nicktendo.but I do agree with the shipping drama just get star and marco together already
I’m so tired of these boring, comedy/ relatable, random xD shows wit super similar art styles and the same main character being a dumb powerful innocent cinnamon roll and having a interesting plot but just kicks it to the curve to force development for annoying side characters when they could just integrate their development into the actual plot rather than abruptly stoping it :/
@Thot, Except Star vs. is NOT is "lol so random show". If you just started on season one, then yes you would think that. But the show becomes more serious and has more lore as time goes on.
wouldn't it be more interesting to see the main characters get together in the middle of the show then we see them work out there relationship together over the course of the series
The name of the show when it started production was "Star AND the forces of evil" the studio was the one that change the "and" to " vs". I feel the old one fits with what is going on now.
You are definitely right there! When Toffee attempted to destroy magic for idk reason, Star stopped him because of "V.S. Forces of Evil" theme! But in the ending, she destroyed magic just because some random maniacal woman decided to lead hundreds of magical gundam metal suits of armor to fulfill her racism goals, which could have been solved in a less catastrophic way.