Xgecu TL866II Plus vs T48 vs T56
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- These are the 3 most popular EPROM Programmers on the market and they have subtle differences and use cases that, once you understand them, make it really obvious which one is right for you.
A quick note. I have used all 3 of these extensively. When you look at the amazon reviews, it seems like there are very few reviews per product an often low reviews seem to be from people who seem to be using other USB/power cables or may not know what they're doing. Just my 2 cents. This video is not sponsored in any way.
If you're part of the TLDW crowd, just buy the T48
T48 with no adapters
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T48 with a few adapters
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TL48 with many "real" adapters
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T56 with no adapters
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T56 with some adapters
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T56 with more adapters
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TL866II Plus with some adapters
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Search ebay and aliexpress for the mega kits as those links change constantly.
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This is great info, mate, and I really appreciate the time you've taken to make a comprehensive review and rundown of EPROM programmers. I've got a few projects that are stalled because I don't have a programmer so have to bodge up Arduino and breadboard type fixes which quickly becomes all too much like hard work when taking ICs in and out of boards.
It's hard to justify the cost of something so rarely used, but if you need one for a task, there is simply no substitute.
And they're not expensive, in the great scheme of things...
Just got the T48 and it's great for retro hobby. No problem with 27xx ROMs and I really like the logic testing of 74xxx components. Thanks for the review!
work with 27c160 and 27c322?
Very clear descriptions of the three units. This has been needed for a long time. Looks like the T48 will be ideal for automotive use. Thanks for taking the time to do this review.
I do think the t48 is pretty much the ideal unit for most cases
A friend bought some cheap frequency counters for some test jigs he was making. One worked but two didn't. They used a PIC to do the counting and segment driving.
I copied the PIC with my TL866II+ and re-programmed the PICs in the ones that didn't work. Thankfully, the copy-protection bits were not set.
All of the counters worked after that.
I haven't programmed an actual EPROM for decades, but I have programmed many other devices, and the logic chip testing facility has been useful for the diagnosis and repair of industrial logic boards.
I don't think I could justify the additional cost of the T56, but it's good to know that there is the option, should the need arise.
This was the video I have been waiting for. I need one of these. !!
Great video!!
I’m using a BATRONIX BX-48-II and it’s SW alone AND it’s superior autosensing looks much better than the SW of the Xgecu units. BATRONIX support is also amazing. IF there is a chip that is not supported, just call/email support and in 30 mins they update the chip database.
Still, the fact that Xgecu units come with all these chip adapters is really great.
With BATRONIX you have to buy those adapters separately.
Thank you!
I hadn't seen that one. It's a bit pricey, but it's really cool. I do have other chip testers that are way better at sensing/testing, too. This is just a lot of bang for the buck.
Exactly the rundown I was after. I've been thinking about getting a programmer for a while now and at that time only the 866II+ was available, but with the new line out I think the T48 is where its at.
I've been using it non-stop since this video and it's proven to be really good at everything I've thrown at it.
Your review was so compaling that I order a T48 for only 48$! All the best.😊
I hope you enjoy it. I used mine a few times today and really like it.
I got a great adapter for the T48 at 6 euros that connects to the socket and uses a ribbon cable to the 16pin header too, and with it I can program the 42 pin 27C322 and 27C160, without having to split the ROM in parta and flash in sections or anything. That 16 pin header seems to give you those pins you are missing from the 48 pin socket. Very handy for the old Sega Mega Drive and the 16bit microcomputers of the time.
I also got T48 sometime ago and no complaints. I think it is very versatile and good quality piece for the price. I also haven’t recommended old TL866 programmers to anyone at this point because of the voltage limitations. I have programmed several old EPROMS that require 21V for programming and T48 manages them without any problems.
XGPro software is also very good, it just works. Chip information is not always correct, though. For those eproms I mentioned, software default setting used 12V, if I remember correctly, which is not enough and programming failed. Datasheets may become handy, even though the chip selection in the software is impressive.
It is quite nice that software also shows the correct adapter to use in the info tab after you selected the chip.
One major thing I think you forgot to mention for the t56. It allows you to plug in an external power adapter for eproms that require higher voltages to program.
excellent review thank you! I have the TL866II+ and thinking of upgrading to the T48 exactly for that extra Vpp capability. As you say the software looks sketchy but it just works :)
Thank you so much for this! I'm not s programmer, I experiment with oscillator circuits and old oscilloscopes just for fun. I also have a fluorescent mineral collection and recently learned about UV Eprom (versus double-e eeproms) and mainly wanted to read an eprom and test slow data degradation via various UV lamps I already own. On Amazon and eBay they have a ton of cheap "eprom" programmers that list only double-e eeprom chips as being supported. I found what I finally thought was a useable programmer and wanted to double check before ordering it. Turns out it was the middle one you recommended (great!). I'll order that and a quartz window chip to play with. I also have 5 large bins of old circuit boards with various chips I can play with. I did a similar thing with a cheapo data logger to see the logic pulses. Ended up diagnosing a bad wifi thermostat, lol. Anyway, this is just for fun but you really helped me out.
I also have access to gamma and xray for degradation testing.
That sounds like a really awesome project. Since you're doing "real" testing, I recommend checking the datasheet of the EPROMS because the exact one you want may suggest a higher voltage for programming than the software uses as a default, but you can adjust it. Don't always trust that the software will pick the right voltage. It might default to 17 when your chip really wants 21.v
That sounds like a lot of fun.
As an owner of a tl866A (with the side pins) with the 21V and it is awesome for cars/vehicles and ECU.
But I might need to step up to t56 so I can reprogram all the newer chips on laptops, server motherboards, and other devices (other than cars/trucks/farm equipment). TL866 is also supported by open source linux software. I am surprised by the prices of the programmers; they're going up.
I am researching the difference.
Good video.
Awsome review. Well worth the time spent watching. Will be buying myself a T48
Awesome. I hope you love it. It's still my go to
This has been super helpful to this synth repair tech - thank you!!
Awesome! Glad to hear it. I love keeping equipment going.
Awesome, useful video. I was kind of lost in the weeds before this. I used to have a Willem eprom programmer circa 20 years ago but after moving several times, I don't know where it is and beyond that the program would have probably been designed for Windows 2000. LOL The T48 looks perfect.
I did buy the tl866II since i had to program an eprom. The software from the website works without problems under linux using wine.
Okay interesting. I keep a PC on Windows for these sorts of things
I have missed a full programming cycle of some memories test, to grasp the speed increase in the t56, both in read and write.
From my understanding and research the 866ii is more for automotive EEPROM work which is what I own. The other two or more for TV repair and from my research (not personal use) you will not have the chip support for automotive EEPROM work out of the other two units.
I don't think that's the case but if you let me know what eeprom you're trying to program, I can tell you if either of the other 2 support it.
No, all those support almost same models, newer support more rare chips.
Which one of these three can read mcu and pcf
Great review. I find myself needing to program some memory again, and the last time I did it was 20+ years ago. I dreaded the thought of having to dig out my old parallel port Neeham's unit and finding an old PC to run it on. The T48 looks like the ticket. Thanks!
It really is a great unit...and if you ever need to test chips, it's really handy too.
This video was a huge help thank you very much.
Awesome. Glad it helped. I love these units.
Your video is amazing! I have one question, if you can. Regarding 1.8v bios using XGT48 is necessary use the adapter? Reading manual I'm not sure if is needed or they recognize chip and auto adjust tension. Thks and Rgds
I "thought" I brought a great deal on AliExpress for the T56 with adapters. Turns out it was a supporter pack (adapters-only!) - duh! So... may question is, I know you said as a general rule of thumb, don't mix adapters, but that was really aimed at the older/white programmer and the T48. Are the adapters for the T48/T56 interchangeable? i.e. Now I've seen your video - am I good to buy a T48 and still use the adapters I accidentally brought ?
[UPDATE] I think those that use the zif socket will work. As it happens, I need a TSOP56 adapter (not got) and that seems to be unit dependent T48 or T56 ONLY as whichever version I get will use the port at the bottom with the pins (using a cable), and since the ports are very different - it makes those adapters which use the port, unit dependent.
None of the 3 can program an AT89LP51RC2. So I made my own programmer. I own a TL866II though
Wow thank you for the awesome video
I appreciate the comparison of the three and guidance/suggestions in the video. I am buying my first and found the information very helpful. I know you mentioned it in the video but do you have a link and list for the software that is needed?
I'm not home at the moment, but know it's available on the xgecu website. You may have to translate if from mandarin.
I have the tl866a, and while i dont program or use it occasionally, it solved my laptop repairs few times, but my last job with an winbond 25r256 couldnt be fixed with this Unit. I hope with the t48 this wont be an issiue and it will be future proof for next few years
Is there any way to distinguish fake vs original form the lasting pictures before we buy?
Hello Sir, on the T 48 clip, how did you connect the color codes for the 4 pairs of wires running from the clip?
I see number 1-4 then 5-8 on the chip i have for the T 48, but don't know which color goes where.
White, Purple, Blue, Green then Red, Brown, Black, White
I'm trying to extract the firmware from a WD external HDD.
thank you in advance for any advice
great review. subbed and liked. thanks a lot
Awesome, thank you!
the T48 is better if you're not using Linux. Linux minipro supports the TL866II Plus. It doesn't support the T48/56
Minipro partially supports the T48. They are working to fully support it along with the T56
The T48 "Supported Devices" list is not to be trusted. We need a T48 user's community so that we know what devices it fails to program. I have a few AT89S8252s and I thought the T48 would really be an asset to the workshop. It seemed to work initially but when I tried to upload an Intel Hex file that was about 3K it mysteriously failed at 2K (that is the size of the eeprom). The size of flash is 8K. I realized it was trying to program the flash and the eeprom simultaneously and crashed when the eeprom filled up. There was no way around it. It was going to program the eeprom no matter what the settings were and whether I wanted to or not. I sent it back and bought another one. Same bug. I emailed tech support. They told me it would be fixed in the next upgrade. So I'm waiting for that.
مرحبا اخى اواجه مشكله فى قرأة ناند رقم 29f64g08cbaba يعطى فى virefy error block ولا اعرف أين المشكلة علمآ انى اقرأه بواسطة t56 وشكرا للاطالة
Благодарю за хороший обзор, много узнал нового и мой лайк. Просмотрел используя яндекс переводчик. Технический перевод достаточно понятен.
I'm having difficulty downloading the installation and driver software from the Exgecu website. How did you do it? Thanks
I'm very surprised these aren't like $20 each. What makes these so expensive?
There's not really a whole lot of competition especially when it comes to competition that has software that is anywhere near as good as that.
A few years ago the market was flooded with fake ones but they've kind of stomped that out
@@AnotherMaker But you said the clones were kinda expensive as well
@@NicksStuff they got more expensive during the pandemic. They have come back down
Has any manual for the T-48 appeared? Great video by the way!
I haven't seen a specific one for it.
It's so similar to the t-56. The only thing I would really be concerned about is which chips are missing but honestly the software will tell you that
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
Could someone please help clarify for me how to successfully "test clip" program a soldered Macronix MX25L4006E SOP8 and a Winbond W25Q128JV SOIC8 chip both on the same TYAN S5545AG2NR-HE "secure flash" model motherboard using this XGecu T56? I understand that this model needs custom "crossover" wiring from the ICSP to the clip and proper grounding and whatnot and the diagram which comes up in the XGecuPro Software v1266A for each module to explain the "in-circuit" custom ICSP pinout is not clear at all to me concerning how this test clip should be wired for a successful chip pin connection. I bought this for work for this particular time-pressing project I'm working on and cannot make heads or tails of how I'm supposed to wire this ICSP to test clip for these two model chips. This T56 is literally worthless to me if I cannot get this sorted out. My simple Coright Skypro is much easier to use than this device -- it literally autosenses all modules and senses with successful programming many SOIC/SOP-8/16 soldered "in-circuit" chips with POMONA or 3M Test Clips with little struggle. Admittedly my handy Magnifying Lamp is a huge help in getting solid clip commections and minimizing destroying clips too quickly, but this soldered Macronix MX25L4006E on the TYAN S5545AG2NR-HE "secure flash" model motherboard is not reading or writing correctly at all. I've ruined 3 total clips struggling before realizing the chip needs a custom wiring for a successful ICSP connection. The problem is what exactly that 8 pin wired schematic looks like. I've messaged the XGecu and posted on their message board with zero response. If you boast in-circuit programming concerning your programming product, you shouldn't make the instructions impossible to sort out. This is extremely frustrating. Can someone help me out with this "in-circuit 8-pin SOP pinout ICSP connector to Ponoma test clip" please? I also have a nearly unused TL866II Plus with SPI DRIVER ICSP Enhanced Adapter if that is easier to use for this task.
I have the tl866plus its a fake as they come had for years but it's programmed everything I've chucked at it over the years never had a problem, I do a lot work on retro game arcade boards and have to use an adapter to take dip 42 27c160, 800 amd 322 eproms but its getting a tad tiresome as i have to splits the files into 512kb files and program the eprom under a 27c4096 and program the chip in banks as you can imagine it takes a while especially if you have a lot of chips to do, I'm toying with the idea of getting a T56 with the bigger socket and eliminate the need for any adaptors for these chips, the xgpro software list all the chips i program when select the T56 so this might be a good investment and save a bit of time.
Please, may I know the difference between T48 and T56, please?
Can this T48 programmer work for stm32f and As15f IC? Please let someone help out thanks I need to know
Hello, which programmer should I use to read the M29W256GL flash memory? Thank you
Hola. Con el modelo t56 se pueden programar los chips ec o kbc de laptops?
is it possible to do chip of data recovery by these from ufs or emmc chip?
Which is better, t48 or t56? What are the main advantages of the t56 if it is 100$ more expensive than the t48?
Most people are better off with the t48
Can the T48 and or T56 program ITE ENE Super IO's?
Does the T48 support writing and reading OTPs?
How useful are the adapters that come with these? Are the adapters ones that folks would actually use or are they just thrown in to raise the price without really getting anything of value?
I've only needed them a couple times but when I did they were really handy. One of them was able to save a bad motherboard because I could clone a chip from one board to another. For the most part. I think you're better off buying them when you actually have a use for them
@@AnotherMaker Thanks for the reply. Im pretty much a newbie to this. Whats with the bare circuit boards that come in some of the kits? Is one supposed to obtain the parts and solder them on?
Hi, does the T48 support the "XGECU T56 SN-ADP-VGA HDMI/VGA Interface ISP/ICSP and Serial output support" or is this purely for the T56? Thanks
I don't think it does. I think it's one of the things that makes the t56 different.
@@AnotherMaker Thanks, I think you are correct, as every one of the adapters I have seen says suitable only for the T56.
Hello! Thanks! Please advise, can I use adapters from set for TLL86 also and on T48 or T56 programmers ?
I don't really have a list of which ones are compatible and which ones aren't. I will say it has a lot of protection and the few times that I have used the adapter from the old one they've worked in the new one
@@AnotherMaker many thanks!
*about the direction of the chip at the beginning
Does anyone have a recommendation for a good eprom eraser? The ones on Amazon and eBay look like they are cheaply made clones of something. Also, is there a good source for 4/8/16k roms suitable for Atari cartridges? Thanks!!
You can use a toothbrush sanitizer.
Friend, which one is better? T56 T48 for only emmc
If the t48 will do the emmc that you want, that's the better deal
What programmer software do you use for T48??
I use the one from the XGecu site. Xgpro
@@AnotherMakerI will say, the software works decently well. It does the thing!
Unless it's the PIC16C series of microcontroller. It only reads half of each program word. (Either the most significant or least significant bits).
Would be nice if alternative software was available.
I still find it crazy you need a 70$ programmer to program >5V programmable ROMs... So I'm making a
Please share that with me when you do. That was going to be my first PCB project
@@AnotherMaker Sure thing! I might even send you one :) For now it’s erasing W27C512s at 14V on a breadboard - soon it’ll be programming a few different ROMs. But credit where it’s due - the hardest work for Xgecu is supporting all those parts in software. Mine will have to be a community effort when it comes to which parts it’ll support in software.
Can we program ec bios in tl866
I'm not sure. It depends on the chip type.
I think it can, I see support for programming the MX25Lxxx SPI chips.