his no-hitter was RUINED by this..
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no I agree with the manager because you have to protect these types of pitchers the harder you throw the faster you hit tommy john except Nolan Ryan
Yes, especially with them in contention for a wildcard spot
I mean, Randy Johnson made a bird explode during game so was that a redo pitch or a ball?😂😂
@@rupert_1491I forgot how good the pirates are playing with Andrew some how still playing 😂
@rupert_1491 wild card😂😂😂😂
@@axelagosto5196lol 2 wild card teams made the world series last year so what's your point?
I don’t know if you saw this but during the live feed the pirates manager derek shelton asked if skenes was good to go another and skenes shook his head and said he was done.
Damn, basically nullifies this video lol
No hitters doth butter no parsnips.
@@TTGTanner Fuzzy has a reputation for only looking at things at face value and not looking deeper into anything
Blake snell had a no hitter
@SoccerBros-fc9ji this video was posted before that
I think it's for the best...who knows what happens if he stays in there. Now, he should be picked to start the ASG
Chris Sale should start
He was picked, thankfully
Chris sale should start, all the guys in the all star game can light him up
@@Clossis funny
He was picked
the problem is that he was at 99 pitches. he also had like 60 pitches through the first 3 innings, which inflated his pitch count a ton. once he gets that down, oh boy
right... Its why maddux got so many awards ... smart, efficient pitching and low pitch counts led to complete games. Complete games give the pitcher the ability to control the outcome as well as seeing batters that extra bit to just keep learning how to pitch them. Maddux getting thru the game for a W on fewer pitches than youd throw pitching an immaculate perfect game... Which is 81 pitches all strikes. Maddux proved he could beat perfect perfect LOLcomplete game W on 77 pitches..... hall of fame enshrined performance. he said a true perfect efficiency game is a team effort a 27 pitch no hitter with zero strike outs. 👌
As a Braves fan who's lost 2 ace's in Max Fried and Spencer Strider....save your pitchers. Screw a no hitter lol
Nolan Ryan had 7 no-hitters, 222 complete games, highest pitch count in a game was 235. In one season he averaged 134 pitches per start. He pitched into the 10th, 11th and 13th inning (3 different games), and he played for 27 years.
Now I understand why they took him out, but this whole pitch count thing is ridiculous!! Starting pitchers these days are lucky if they make it into the 5th inning. they must be doing something wrong because even with the pitch count stuff, there still are injuries. I have heard now they are trying to blame the pitch clock on the injuries. And the game today has evolved so much it is crazy. Their warmup routines and exercises and stretches and all that compared to when Ryan retired in 93 you think you help pitchers not get injuries. So my question is, if pitchers are still getting injured with low pitch counts, at what point do you just risk pitching 1-3 more innings? Injuries happed randomly no matter how hard you try to avoid them. Some people are injury prone; some never get hurt. It's just a roll of the dice. Lucky for me, I just post this opinion and don't have to make any decisions, if I did it probably would be wrong lol. But I do like Skenes he is killing it and definitely would hate for him to get injured.
Skenes wanted to come out and said he was done and he even further said in a podcast the day after the only way he would ever stay in when he felt like he was "done" is if he was pitching a perfect game not a no hitter
Paul skenes is what toronto fans thought nate Pearson was gonna be 😢
pain
The white Sox Michael kopec as well…… skenes will no doubt need Tommy John and we all know how pitchers are post Tommy John surgery
Except Pearson was pick 28 and played at FIU. Playing in the SEC and winning a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP is a lot different than FIU bro. Geaux Tigers
@@ralphkotwica6184kopech wasn't even a first rounder wtf are you guys talking about
@@jonathannowlen4818 I’m not talking about first round picks I’m talking about out flame throwers that throw their arm out and never return to original form
I see both sides of it but he’s a rookie so I think they should have pulled him
Idk though bc he was throwing 120+ pitches at lsu
@@keegan9191that was before he was worth possible 500+ million and yes I said 500+. He’s got about 5 years left until he’s a free agent and he could get 10yr/500mil, LSU can’t provide that. If he stays in and throws 120 every single week and has to have TJ and now he’s worth what, half that because that’s how contract negotiations go. So I think if I was him I really wouldn’t care, actually thank you for saving me money and a lot of money lol
@@keegan9191yeah but he’s also playing more at the major league level. LSU is only for 4-5 months of the year, and he’s probably a starter 1 day every weekend series, maybe brought in in an extra time in a tough series. In the majors he’s probably set to pitch every couple games and he’s doing arm care work in the off days so his arm is more active
@@ThattSwaggUnltdno
@@ImHereToCreepTwitch actually yes
What would people say about the manager if he stays in and blows out his elbow?
Yeah except if you haven’t noticed, he does a LOT of body mechanic work and very specific to his job, similar to a certain injury FREE pitcher who’s currently in Mexico because the MLB is braindead.
@@iitstre_4550exactly
@@iitstre_4550my sources can confirm that you do not know ball.
Like Johan Santana? I didn’t see it live, but watched a video about how they left him in for his no hitter, 120 pitches I believe, and his arm went out. Never the same after that.
@@iitstre_4550Trevor Bauer?
same thing happened to blanco later in the season. he went 7 innings, pitch count was up, they took him out and presley gave up the first hit in the eighth.
Now there is 2 no-hitters..... CONGRATS D. CEASE
3 Blake Snell
You have to preserve players like him. Skenes himself was tired and wasn't upset about being pulled.
@@_outofphase5480 Nolan Ryan was an absurd freak aberration. The majority of pitchers who threw as much as he did as hard as he did get some sort of injury in doing so at some point.
Also you can make the argument that Ryan's accumulating ways damaged his rate stats. Only 7 of his full seasons did he have an ERA+ over 120, a number plenty of stud pitchers of today with significantly fewer seasons have eclipsed. There's room for debate whether him going deep into games helped his team out that much (beyond minimizing bullpen workload), even though he's still in the GOAT conversation.
Alr it rlly sucks that he didn’t get the no-hitter but if Paul skenes gets hurt that’s a big toll for the pirates he HAS to stay healthy
Why let him go 8 if you're not going to let him go 9?
That’s just assuming 8th inning he started to give up base hits and not an easy low count inning. Analytics say the possibilities of him coming back in the 8th, during this shut out and NO HITTER, is a very low chance and he’s already young and #1 draft pick. To then comeback and continue, is like that tiger’s pitcher who got screwed by the 1st base ump calling the runner safe even though ALL CAMERA ANGLES showed he made it to the bag for the out and even the ump later on told that pitcher sorry he blew the call. Was a perfect game.
If you’re talking about yesterdays game he went 7 innings not 8
@@xaviergardner1881 that’s what he’s saying. They took him out at the 7th. Why try 8 innings of already going to be 100+ pitches if you’re not letting him go all 9.
Dude a rookie. Why blast his elbow out now when he has years to show he’s great
I remember I was at this game. I was s upset to see Paul Skenes exit because this was my second baseball game I ever went to and it would be s cool to see a no hitter in person.
I think they should’ve kept him in, he was at 99 pitches after 7 with a long break afterwards(a no hitter is cooler than an AS appearance)
and staying healthy is cooler than getting Tommy John because you threw 125 pitches going for a no no in a meaningless regular season game
@@n8_n he could always be pulled if the pitch counts gets out of control
@@Markmen-cw8dj he was at 99. he had no chance of finishing with a pitch count under control, especially when you consider he's a 22 year old flamethrower who's far more valuable healthy than hurt
@@n8_n yeah 99 after only throwing 13 pitches in the last 2 inning, again the manager could’ve pulled him if it got out of hand
@@Markmen-cw8djIt was a smart decision on the Pirates part. With how many pitchers have had careers cut short or ruined by early injuries you don't risk it with a guy that's already at a high pitch count with 2 innings left
that should be an unwritten rule, if your pitcher has thrown a no hitter through 7 innings, you keep him in until he either lets up a hit or performs poorly
maybe if it's a veteran or someone who doesn't throw as hard, but a rookie average 99 mph on a fastball in his first full professional season? that is way too high of an injury risk for such a talent for any team. no reason to increase the risk of injury this early.
They used to do that when sports were still really good
Nah, idc about a no hitter. I care about you know actually staying healthy
Yea that’s smart on the manager u don’t what ur future of the franchise to hurt his arm
I totally disagree Paul Skenes is a new rookie pitcher for the Pirates so the Pirates want him to stay healthy and be consistent because consistency wins games a win is more important than a no hitter Paul was doing his job to win the game
Just happened to Max Fried too he started for 7 innings-got pulled put in Jimenez kept the no hitter- got pulled put in Iglesias for the 9th inning- had two outs then one pitch later Mets’ DH got a home run
The motion he puts on the ball is beautiful
I think the reason that arm injuries has spiked because starters are throwing 95+ mph or they're throwing a dozen sliders in a row. It's not the number of pitches but what they do with them. They had a guy throw a pitch 105.5 mph the other day. That's crazy.
I agree as well. Even though he has a big build and is utilizing his legs, core and back very well, it is still wise to not overdo it with him. He has been throwing a long time over his life and the Pirates want to keep him around injury free for as long as possible. He will get more opportunities in the future for no hitters, but the game has changed. Pitchers didn’t use to have pitch counts but also threw slower. Nolan Ryan was a complete freak of nature and there probably won’t be another person like him again. Love Paul Skenes though and wish him nothing but the best…even though I live in STL. lol
It was a lose lose for the pirates but I think they still should have let him go another
As a brewers fan I was trembling as to if we may get a no hitter against us
I agree with the manager like Paul’s arm is the pirates franchise rn but getting pulled while on a no hit game is crazy
*FUZZY just showed his absolute lack of baseball knowledge by saying he’d let skenes pitch the 8th when he’s already at 99 pitches.* 🤭🤣
You're crazy. Longevity over a no-no
learn how to pitch instead of just throwing hard....then you wouldnt have that concern
@@kennethbowers6920well he’s 6-0 with a 1.90 ERA so I think he’s got that covered
What about a will will foo?
@@pughshiestyyea was gonna say dudes dominating in the mlb don’t think he needs his advice 😂
This is why you’re not the manager of a major league team. His arm is fresh. It’s his rookie year. Trust me he will have some no hitters in the future there is no reason to risk damage just for a no hitter if it was a perfect game that’s a different story but a no hitter occurs more often. Shelton made the right call. Skenes still got the win. Every call was made correctly.
Dude Skenes is on his way to a hall of fame career
He had it and it was just snatched away😊
cease just got one today in a great game and PS recently went nine but unfortunately got messed up late, wish him the best, but crazy how things change in a few weeks!
Reminds me of when Robert’s took Kershaw out after 7 perfect innings. It’s awful for the fans but if your team has the postseason in mind it’s always the right move.
Southern California has a knack for producing top MLB talent.
I remember reading somewhere about how pitchers who pitched longer innings were much more injury-free. Perhaps it was about a specific type of pitchers in the article. I can’t quite remember.
I think there could be something to that.
Great point. In fact, why let him throw any pitches at all? Let’s just save that big arm for playoff games only.
Feelin it for Paul. An epic outing that truly deserves props. However, science and the health of a player is always the priority of the manager. Research into ligament strengthening and maintenance 👍
This dude is the truth I hope he has a long career
Whatever give him the chance to get the no no. Just limit his next start to less pitches.
I agree with the manager cause a win is a win and they preserved Paul skenes
He'll have plenty of chances throughout his career, no point in getting him hurt. Even if he doesn't get a massive injury that causes him to miss time, overextending a guy can tend to have negative effects on his overall performance
I watched the game, the manger said that he talked to Paul and that he said he was tired
this is common. David Roberts did this to Kershaw more than once. They’re too cautious about pitcher’s longevity throughout the season to risk a no hitter feat for one game.
Current starting pitchers are pussified. Old school pitchers threw 50 complete games a year.
I agree with the manager’s decision. Skenes is one of a kind and it’s better to protect his arm. He’s so young too. I want to see him have a long career. He’ll get his no hitter eventually
He had 60 pitches through 3, that big pitch count per inning spells trouble more than total pitches thrown. So there is no way I would let a rookie that valuable go any farther. They also don’t want to have to shut him down late in the season if they can avoid it. They absolutely SHOULD be careful.
Nolan Ryan had one of the longest careers ever, be of the hardest throwers, and did things like pitched striking out 19 batters, in 13 innings. throwing 235 pitches
Never be another Nolan!😢
I would rather skenes be healthy all season and post season than one no hitter in a fairly unimportant game
Pirates are NEVER sighning this guy beyond his rookie deal.
I would walk out there and be like y'all gonna fire me before I quit a no hitter
You have to understand how baseball works. The manager is often under pressure to get work to the short and middle reliver's and a closer. Teams aren't paying top dollar to NOT see these guys perform. It's the job of the started to get you at least through the 6th inning, 7th if he's cruising...then his job is done. I hate it too, but it's how the game is played today.
He just went 8 1/3 innings against a good St Louis team. Skenes is the real deal.
I agree with taking him out. 99 pitches through 7 is a little on the high side. So early in his career it’s not worth it to exhaust his arm like that for a “maybe?” He’ll get one one day.
I watched him DESTROY Florida in the College World Series last year for LSU; everyone knew then he was going to be a franchise player for someone. I was hoping the Mets. 😂
He’ll be thanking his manager for saving his arm when it stays healthy enough to sign that huge contract extension
Agree here he def he needed to come out after the 7th with 99 pitches. I would probly still let him go into the 8th. But ya def protect your number one. W skenes
Always better to play the safer don’t push someone too far.
Normally I want the pitchers to come back out but you can’t let this guy throw that many pitches right now.
I like how nobody saw the interview with the manager saying Paul said he was tired
It's interesting that the more we protect pitchers,,,the more they get hurt,,,almost as if coddling doesn't work,,,who could've figured that
When I was growing up, starters went 7 athe minimum to have a good start, some would go 9 or more. You’ll never see that again and I’d have been beyond pissed off if I was skenes. I would’ve said, if I give up a hit or walk, take me out
Got to protect his arm
Arm injuries get higher and higher the less pitchers pitch. 🤔🤔
He's had 2 no hit games of 7 and 6 innings..out of 11starts..he'll have A LOT of chances to finish them in the future
They did the same thing to kershaw take him out in the middle of a no hitter to “preserve” his arm and it still didn’t stop em from getting surgery they need to let him make history!
W decision by management. He has his whole career ahead of him.
Safe to say with good health Skenes is already on HoF watch
Cease threw a no no today
Dansboy pitching for the Bucs!!😂😮😅😂
Snell had a no hitter too
I’m a medical researcher, Ive rarely seen a situation where medical science was wrong :(
This is like the travesty That Dave Roberts Pulled When he took Kershaw out of a perfect game
Luis Gil had a no hitter too
Pitch count is everything. Have a number and never break it.
Yeah... No hitterss make contract negotiations more difficult for whoever he leaves Pittsburgh for.
Only 5 rookies in the past 20 years have thrown a no hitter. He was throwing 120+ pitches in college. I get the managers perspective but cmon man, you have an electric rookie. He’s only gonna throw 20-40 pitches in the ASG. Then he’ll get a longer break after that.
Yeah not only do we need to protect his arm, he was also completely gassed
I agree, save the arm. Not in the playoffs or the world series tho!
"He throws 103, it ain't up to me"
100+ pitches for Skenes means he's done.
Every. Single. Time
I think Skenes actually told Shelton he was done.
I agree with pulling him. Look at the pitch count and he throws hard almost every single pitch…
They say athletes are better now but Walter Johnson threw 90+ mph from his hip for like 300 innings a year.
Save his arm by all means. He doesn’t have the lower body strength power pitches need. He’s all upper torso and arm angle
2 innings won’t ruin his arm. Let him pitch. Especially because he was already at over 90 pitches going into the 7th. If they were going to take him out after 6 pitches, he shouldn’t have gone out for the 7th at all. Once he’s gone out for the 7th inning, you’ve got to let him keep going.
Thank you pirates manager now my friends can’t laugh at me
It's the right call
I was at this game. He was incredible!
Good call by the manager.
Perfect game or bust IMO
Should be only allowed to use three pitchers a game. If you run out of arms, you're loosing games.. might need to manage the game.
Good for the manager. Only a matter of time B4 his elbow goes. These pitchers will leave first chance they get for the big market teams with all the $$. Keep him healthy and his trade value as hi as u can
The manager did right. 99 pitches after 7 innings. 99 pitches is a lot. LET'S GO PIRATES
Tim Lincecum had 2 no-hitters that were 130+ pitches. That says enough.
Monitoring pitch count has ruined the pitching aspect of MLB.
he literally said in an interview that he was getting tired going into the 7th
He also had to save him for the all star game
He’s a rookie performing like Nolan Ryan did in his rookie year. Protect that arm!
Skenes is performing much better than Nolan Ryan did in his rookie year. Ryan's rookie season was 1968, the Year of the Pitcher, when he went 6-9 with a 3.09 ERA (98 ERA+, meaning he was average.) Skenes is 6-0 with a 1.90 ERA (215 ERA+, over twice as good as average).
Bro this happened to Ben Brown too
Gotta think of your player glad he did that you got plenty of years to settle in then you can go 9 innings
Dylan cease got a no hitter this season
bro said “what the fu-“
Let’s be real here, if something can be messed up or ruined, the Pirates are here for it