The Jewish American Princess - Beyond the Stereotype
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Jewish Americans have created some of the world’s most beloved movies and shows. So it might be surprising that, when it comes to onscreen representation, Jewish characters are often reduced to stereotypes. Jewish women especially tend to fall into a few well-trodden character types, one of which is the "Jewish American Princess." The phrase is traditionally a derogatory term applied to a certain kind of upper- or upper-middle class Jewish American young woman, but this stereotype has sometimes been acknowledged and claimed by female Jewish creators. Here’s our Take on the role this complicated character plays in film and TV, and how Jewish representation onscreen can move beyond the stereotypes.
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This video made me realize how many characters I didn't realize were Jewish
A lot of Jewish characters tend to be coded in order to avoid alienating Gentile viewers.
@@beethovensfidelio True. Like old star Hollywood actors changing their names.
Jewish characters tend to be passed off as white in films.
@@timothyo718 aren’t Ashkenazi Jews white though?
@@TheFeltonLover Yes, no one is passing off Jews as white, they literally are mostly white, with some exceptions here in the US. White privilege should be acknowledged.
*Now this is a trope you don't really hear much about but still holds a strong and common stereotype in media* interesting.
Yes, I hadn't even realised it was a trope, until I noticed that a large number of wealthy women in media tend to be portrayed as Jewish.
@@trinaq same, as a non-American even with the constant flux of media some context and patterns still go over my head. The first time I heard about it was Crazy Ex-Girlfriend but watching this video there's scenes from things I watched and simply don't recall the term at all. :/
The most privileged women on the planet
This is a good reading comprehension example. The sentence isnt contradictory if you understand the true meaning
@@everythingdivine The key is how these women use the privilege: scientific discoveries, philanthropy, achievement in the arts/literature, etc are what I've seen in recent years (as observed by....not a woman).
As a non-American Jewish woman, this stereotype is so foreign to me outside the context of American media. Goes to show the Jewish experience really varies across the Diaspora.
That's so interesting? Where're you from? Do you feel like you have stereotypes act jewish women from your country that are specific to where you live?
@@jkgl5818 I'm an Israeli Jew, but I've lived in Germany since 2018. The video didn't go very deeply into the cultural differences between Ashkenazi Jews (like me) and Sphoradic, Mizrahi or Black Jews (there're more types). There's an ethnic component that is wildly complex when it comes to discussions of whiteness, but the context in Israel is VERY different around that topic. I will say that because I'm from a majority Jewish country, I didn't really have to grapple with a lot of the minority aspects of Jewish womanhood until I moved to Germany. Israeli Ashkenazi Jewish women align more with some of these tropes, but the typical Israeli woman is probably more closely related to stereotypes of middle eastern women - loud, hot headed or blatantly emotional, yet very open, familial etc. The one thing I noticed is that here in Germany, I can really tell I'm Israeli - I'm way more open and laid-back than German women I've met here, and naturally louder. It's so odd because back home, I was the odd one out for having a "serious European vibe", but here it's more about keeping myself in check.
@@jkgl5818 Just like the other commenter I'm Israeli and I just want to answer you as well, because I'm annoying - here women have different steriotypes depending on where their families came from, before Israel. The only Jewish women I know of who have similar steriotypes to America are Polish-Jewish women, who are said to be frigid, emotionally manipulative, etc. Also unlike America, here most Jews statistically speaking aren't Ashkenazi (Jewish-European), most Jews especially in my area come from Arab countries. No Jews here are said to be cheap, except for maybe Persian Jews? But no one thinks that anymore. It's hard to think that all Jews are rich and/or cheap when you're in Israel.
@@SilverMoon459 totally agreed! I'm Russian-Polish-Romanian (maybe German) but my family has been in Israel for generations. Immigration background also makes a huge difference - definitely a lot of stereotypes related to it in Israel. Most of my circles in central Israel were Ashkenazi, but it's not as segregated as it used to be a few generations ago. Definitely more mixing and mingling now. Edit: levels of religiosity are also pretty significant here! That's one of the most dominant cultural divides in Israeli Jewish society
@@SimplyMayaBeauty I remember when I worked in Tel Aviv for a while (I'm a southerner) in spamming people's mail box with ads (shame on me 😂) and all of the mail boxes had Ashkenazi names on them, at least where I worked. It freaked me out XD
I didn't know that Rachel was Jewish, but I guess it makes sense. It's just weird how they would often mention Monica and Ross being Jewish, but never *once* said that Rachel was as well.
she's not: after the dreidel-reference rachel says "but pheobe, i'm not jewish"
my bad - i just looked it up and rachel says: "dreidel doesn't rhyme with rachel". sorry!
anyway, i was totally sure that rachel - in contrast to ross and monica is not jewish 😁
She was the protagonist so she couldn't be that Jewish :( Even Monica is not as jewish as her brother (she didn't care as much as him). But the creators said that Rachel was actually more jewish than the Gellers because both of her parents are jewish (Judy is not jewish).
@@alextaws6657 Chandler said that not Phoebe
she is jewish in the episode where she's out with phoebe she said she calls her grandma bubbe
How dare you?
Alexis Rose is a Jewish Canadian princess.
I know, right?! It's easy to forget that it's a Canadian production, and that most of the characters and actors are Canadians.
As a South American...I consider Canada America too (as in, part of the continent)
Vancouver over here !
every canadian i've ever met claimed the term american could be applied to all of north america
But everywhere is the US now. Didn't you get the memo from the internet as whole!?
I love how often this channel talks about Crazy Ex Girlfriend. It deserves to be talked about way more imo.
Crazy ex girlfriend is criminally under appreciated
I KNOOOOWWW. They should make a full series of videos dedicated to the show
It's a great show
@@Alegend.91 if you want Crazy ex-girlfriend video essays, the channel bagels after midnight has a lot of them, I really like them.
@@Liquidplasticable tysm I now have a new channel to binge!
Please if you haven’t, cover the ‘bougie black girl trope’.
this !! hate this trope
That trope needs to go
This!!
Oh my god yes! I totally agree
YES PLEASE!
All these years and it never occured to me Cher Horowitz is Jewish. I should have realised from the last name, really. It's just that they never bring it up (unless I keep missing it). The same with Rachel Green - kind of obvious now I think of it.
In the TV series that was the sequel to clueless, Cher’s Jewish heritage was mentioned specifically. There is an episode involving her getting a car for Hanukkah. Or at least that’s what she thinks. Spoiler alert, it’s not actually her car.
@@EASJR1991 Man I haven't watched that in years. I'm more of a fan of the movie because of Silverstone (and Stacey Dash but she's in both.) I either didn't see that episode or it slipped my mind. Might have to look it up. Thanks.
Same. I learned about Rachel in another video, and I just realized Cher is supposed to be jewish in this video
@@millerhxc I don’t know if the series is on TV, whether traditional or streaming, but the name of the episode is called “our Lady of rodeo Drive.”
did you know about Baby from Dirty Dancing?
As a Hispanic person I had no idea about what constituted Jewish stereotypes or cultural signifiers in media. I just thought of those signifiers as white people things. I suppose now I see there are differences in media around the portrayal of WASPS and Jews.
It’s hard to know the differences between groups when you’re not apart of them. There’s probably a lot of people who wouldn’t know the difference between different Latin cultures or between different black cultures. From the outside everything tends to look the same to most. But once you recognize them it becomes very obvious.
Sometimes WASPS are portrayed as spoiled or rich the way Jews in media are, but most of the time, the options for WASPS is more diverse with their stereotypes, if that makes sense. So a lot of wasps in TV shows or movies can be lower class or middle class, not all of them are overly conservative, and so on
@@mynameisreallycool1 Really cause I think WASPs have to be well off whether that's rich or just upper middle class because they represented THE privileged class in the US and to continue to represent that they like have to be wealthy. That is just my opinion though and I do agree that they don't have to be highly conservative and I don't think they're portrayed as spoiled.
@@divinealvarez9720 I mean, WASP really just stands for, "White Angelo-Saxon Protestant", but yeah normally I see the term used for upper class white and protestant people. I thought it applied to all classes, but I looked the term up, and I think you're probably right. My mistake.
@@mynameisreallycool1 I didnt mean to come off as if i was correcting you, sorry if that's what it sounded like, I just wanted to state my association with the term cause I just never knew people thought of it differently.
I'd love a ugly girl trope! Like tons of Barbara Streisand films are about her being unattractive, Funny Girl even has a song about it. Or Bridget Jones who is called ugly pretty much all three films. It would be cool to see the ways that beauty is a very important currency and women who don't have it lives are so different
or what the Simpsons called "tv ugly" ... both the women you mentioned are pretty, despite the script stating they were ugly.
I don't remember Bridget being called "ugly" except my sexist critics (no prizes themselves).
I confess I wanted to be pretty as her
In "The Mirror Has Two Faces," Starring Barbra, her character is talked about being some hideous troll, but I always thought her character was cute and endearing. Barbra directed it, and may have done the screenplay, so I wonder if it was some kind of artistic therapy for her?
@@RebekahMartinModernJaneAusten Fuck I love that movie and how her makeover was about embracing parts of herself and turning down Pierce. Also love that she was the Cool Teacher
This is a great idea! Please do this trope!
Had no idea that Rachel Green or Paris from Gilmore Girls were Jewish
Yeah. Monica and Ross were Jewish. I do not remember Rachel's family ever being described as Jewish.
They said Rachel Green not Berry
@@AllisonRBrown88 her name is Rachel Green, it's a very Jewish name but her character is very secularized
Yeah in one of the earlier episodes Paris talks about a "hanukkah bush" being the consolation for wishing she had Christmas
i rem when i was younger realizing that pretty much everyone in hollywood, tv or movie, are practically jewish.
Am I the only one who never knew this was a trope?
Same
Nope, neither did I, but I realised that a lot of wealthy female characters tend to come from Jewish backgrounds.
I heard of it from surfing urban dictionary years ago.
There's some hilarious definitions there
Same
Wasn't it a joke in Spaceballs?
Never heard of this trope before, so I’ve never realized how prevalent these characters are hm
Me neither, you only start to realise just HOW much these characters are used when a character is implied to be Jewish.
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I’ve always thought of this as rich spoiled girl. The Jewish part of it completely escaped me
Same
@@taerikee same!
Please do Italian American men and women and the mob culture next.. Also, show how Italian American is different than just Italian from Italy maybe?
Italian American is worlds apart from Italian from Italy. For a start, an ocean separates us. And the vast majority of Italian American culture derives from Southern Italians from the last century.
Yesss please! it's always been weird that so many people make italian american culture and italian culture the same when they extremely aren't. Also the weird and outdated stereothype in tv that makes us look like we still live in a 1800 mafia world ahaha
Jersey Shore is a negative example with the wild behavior (granted a lot of it was probably for ratings) but yea many Italians arent orange or tan. many are educated
@@oooh19 - Please stop calling yourselves Italian. You people are Italian-American. Not to be confused with the only people who deserve to be called just italian, that is people from Italy, Europe. NOT America.
@@danielaf1487 well I'm part Italian. I have multiple roots including Irish, Portugese, German etc
I love Rachel Green. She gets labeled as the "ditzy" one but she works so hard to create her own future and is so kind hearted.
I agree, Rachel is genuinely sweet, and does her best to work for what she has after her upbringing as a spoilt Daddy's Girl.
You can be ditzy, work hard and be kind hearted all together. I dont see your point. The 'but' to introduce a contrast is totally incoherent
Rachel was a jew
Rachel was not jewish
@@greyLeicester What I mean is she gets labeled as just ditzy and less is said about her work ethic or any other part of her personality.
I didn't know Rachel green was Jewish
Monica is I know, but not Rachel I don't think.
She's not
Same
In an interview with the Jewish Telegraph, Kauffman confirmed that Rachel is Jewish.
@@radhiadeedou8286 yes she is. They state it directly, in the show. Just not often.
there's also another much more famous trope about jewish women: the witch. Modern representations of witches are heavely grounded in antisemitic stereotypes, for example: mother gothel in tangled
That is a great thing to talk about it is EVERYWHERE.
I was so disappointed when the take made a video about witches and didn’t touch on this.
@@robinita46853 i didnt see the video but they should have
Oh, I thought that she was a gypsy queen stereotype.
mother gothel??
I’m a Jewish woman but I grew up in poverty so I never really connected to these stereotypes. I do think that we need more Jewish representation and positive representation.
Impossible. The only poor Jew is Bernie Sanders
@@rongarcia2128idk what this is if its a joke or what but if its anti semetism this is proof that jewish folks still need representation beyond what we have and positively because the oppressive beliefs abt them still persist if this is a joke on how ignorant people sees jewish people then sorry i mispoke
This also reminds me of how Asian Americans are stereotyped as "model minorities"
And that too mostly east asians
Yup Jews and Asians were/are known, as the "model minorities". It's hurtful to both our peoples.
Yep, Jews and Asians are considered “model minorities” in the US and other Western countries
yep we are all model minorities :(
:/ which, unfortunately, makes people think they can get away with treating us like shit
The fact that it could've been just a spoiled rich girl and would've still worked makes you think why they chose to make the character specifically Jewish, especially when she has little to no connection to her "jewishness". It's just perpetuating stereotypes, and they very rarely show the positive side of Jewish heritage and culture.
Using the Jewish American Princess stereotype is just to put down Jewish women for not conforming to Christian views of womanhood (that is, the “Jewish American Princess” is loud, ambitious, tough, and financially independent).
@@beethovensfidelio Or financially dependent, as Western views of womanhood have shifted towards having careers as independence; much of the drama around Rachel in the early episodes of Friends is her being gently re-educated to conform to the Western mindset of what 'independence' entails.
I am not Jewish, and I think the underhanded use of this trope is partly why many of us haven't noticed or heard of this trope. It is a very disturbing and casual form of antisemitism.
Its kind of a double insult. You’re vapid and obsessed with money(jewish stereotype) but they’re also seemingly ashamed of their jewish culture so they hide it or dont even mention it. Its a heavy implication that what makes someone jewish is being rich and greedy instead of cultural customs/history
@@Confettifun wow you hit it on the nail! That’s messed up.
I realize she's not rich, but whenever I hear about stereotypical Jewish women, I always think of the Nanny played by Fran Drescher. Loved the show, Fran is absolutely fantastic, but indeed it was a stereotype to the max - it fits the "wanting to marry a rich husband" trait, she had the possessive mother, but she was not rich as she was from Queens I believe.
LE: I was halfway through the video and didn't realize she would be in there as well haha
I love that show but for a funny reason I had her hair so watching the show made me feel pretty.
And Fran Drescher is Jewish herself. For me, it always fell squarely in the inside joke area.
Not mentioned in the video is that Rachel Bloom is writing a musical version of the Nanny. Presumably postponed because of Covid, but still.
Nanny Fran was the first thing that popped into my mind when I read the title. Glad she's in the vid
@@Chris-rg6nm how could you think she is Italian when they constantly mentioned her Jewish background?
That was a very interesting trope to hear about. Can you please do next time about the representation of Slavic ( especially Russian) women in movies as dangerous and only working for spy agencies?
Also the way that Hollywood fetishizes Slavic women.
Yes! We (Slavic people) are seen as dangerous (for men) and as overly sexualized women or “ladies of the night”. And always - speaking broken English and poor.
@@mynameisreallycool1 Yes exactly!
@@malenapreslatkanena That's so true!
Ahem black widow
do a take on historical shows (vikings, last kingdom, hatfields and mccoys etc.) how male writers portray women as either clever seductresses with shady intentions or all powerful perfect warriors instead of nuanced human beings
Or having them fall under the table as soon as possible like "yeah, that's all the romance and character development we needed, let's make her pregnant and fall to the side. Or possibly die. Or both."
ugh, I love would love to see a video like that on Last Kingdom. My fiance made me sit through four seasons of those gross generalizations of women. Eventually, each time a new female character came on, we would count the episodes until she was either killed or had sex with Uthred =__= It's also just really tiring seeing men's take on strong women being women who just act like these male stand-ins who think it's wrong to display femininity lest you be considered weak
I agree except for maybe Lagertha. She was a great warrior (even after having children), wonderful mother, lasted longer than most male main characters, had a bunch of relationships (a shtick usually reserved for men) and was smart and kind-hearted.
I know it’s not a historical show, but I’d love it if they included Game of Thrones’ Sansa Stark in it as a sort of middle way between these two character tropes, never falling into either. Perhaps you can name an equivalent from a historical show? Oh, and may I suggest a third category; the anachronistic girl boss Queen/princess as portrayed in The White Princess & The Spanish Princess! Always spouting “empowering” oneliners while the writers’ pretend that every single move they made was in defiance of a patriarchy that wasn’t even defined back then.
@@LeeLe412 yes! I loved lagertha so much!!!
I clicked for Crazy Ex Girlfriend. I would lose my mind if you guys did a dedicated video.
Now I need that
Videos plural, please!! Character breakdowns, tropes, takeaways. I want it alllllllllll 😍😍😍
Same!
Me too!
please 😍
Should do a video on Jewish stereotypes in general that goes into the other ones like the Jewish mother and anxious Jewish nerd (Howard Walowitz), model minority status, and how it ties to antisemitic conspiracy theories. I feel like a lot of non-Jews are really uninformed about them and as a result unknowingly perpetuate them all the time.
agree
One of the most overused Jewish American trope has to be the mother. That would be a good video
Yes, I was surprised they never mentioned the Goldberg's and the Jewish mother in the scenario.
is it overused or just extremely accurate
I feel like the mother and aunt stereotype is actually very common in other tropes too : Italians, Arabs and African-Americans.
They share a lot of similarities and most of their interests are centered around : Food, Gossip and Finding a wealthy husband/(Submissive)beautiful wife that shares the same values of the family.
Yeah, first thing that comes to mind with that is in the Harley Quinn cartoon. Even though it's Harley Quinn's father not mother who is Jewish in the comics, they switched it in the Harley Quinn cartoon to make the mom embody that stereotype :(
As a Jewish person, I`m fine with that one because it is kind of true in real life.
I would love to see the trope involving twins, triplets, multiples be recognized. How they are usually treated as one person and how it is problematic for society to not look at them as individuals. Examples are in Harry Potter, Alice in Wonderland, Sister Sister, Mary Kate and Ashley, etc.
As a twin, I would totally love that!
@@lauriefester5229 Me too! Also that they're "eerie" or weird in some way.
@@kimonaNo1 and the fact that twins can automatically imitate each other to perfection
Or each twin etc will have a niche thing- like in liv and Maddie- and then their personalities will be based off that one thing(such as basketball) to differentiate the twins,triplets,etc.
I'd like to see too.
Literally never picked up on Rachel being Jewish. It’s funny because the show specifically mentions Monica and Ross are Jewish but not Rachel.
Based on this video i am guessing the nose surgery was the tell she was jewish.
Since that was one of the signs they said.
But like to me that just read as more spoiled and shallow reasoning... Or when i was younger a medical thing cos she had issues breathing (my kid guess on what she had surgery for).
But i what do i know i just learned she was jewish
"In an interview with the Jewish Telegraph, Kauffman confirmed that Rachel is Jewish.[107] On the character's "Jewish ties", Kauffman told j. that Rachel had always been Jewish "in our minds", explaining, "You can’t create a character with the name 'Rachel Green' and not from the get-go make some character choices"."
Personally I don't count that. Representation by word of God and stereotypes is not really a representation.
@@ofekma12345 well said
Honestly I don't think they wanted it to be too much of a "Jew show". Clearly the intention was to create a mainstream, wide appeal sitcom. Why they would make a character Jewish and then barely mention it, I have no idea. Apart from the brilliant "holiday Armadillo", they were cleary careful not to push too much Jewishness at a Christian audience. Judy is apparantly a shiksa, but Rachel's parents would probably make some comment about the ethnicity of her partners (maybe that Ross isn't actually a "technical" Jew, as he only has his father).
@@mankytoes I've read the actor David Schwimmer asked for the holiday Armadillo thing to be written into the script as he is actually Jewish in real life . Monica isn't really ever seen doing anything Jewish ,you just know because of Ross .
As a Jewish woman, thank you for discussing some examples of Jewish representation! However, I hate that the Jewish American Princess trope is one of the the dominating portrayals of Jewish women in media. I recently re-watched the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel and was very upset with how out of touch she was with people of other classes and races. Same with many of the other characters mentioned in this video. Social action and fighting for others that don't have a voice is such a big part of Jewish culture that it upsets me when we only get portrayed as spoiled and privileged. Plus, there can be ambiguity with the racial grouping of Jews, and not all Jews are white either as mentioned. Creating roles that seem to be synonymous with WASPy rich white girls without fleshing out the entire identity of Jewish characters always feels problematic to me. So thank you for defining some of the complexities of this character! Definitely would love to see a video on the "Nice Jewish Boy" as well!
THANK YOU! Even the progressive portrayals of that trope always are treated as spoiled and privileged and that is so harmful. Jewish people experience the highest amount of religious hate crimes in the US by far. This trope leads people to believe that Jewish people are inherently privileged, maybe even more so than white Christian Americans.
I’d love to get to know you, I study Jews and I interpret the Torah differently
@@goldenknox Mix that with thousands of years as "the other," second class citizens who were not allowed to work, were forced to convert, were expelled from every country (including the US), were killed or stoned in the town square, stripped of their status.
i have a friend who is also mexican like me who created a fake account on youtube and facebook, he constatly left comments bashing white people daily and both accounts are still active. with the fake account he criticized blacks and mexicans and within 2 weeks his accounts were disabled.
I agree with you 100
Fun fact there is a black American version called a BAP. Think Hilary Banks or Dionne in Clueless.
There is also a Mexican-American version called MAP! Laurel from How to Get Away w/ Murder!
Yeah, there’s a forgotten 90’s comedy with Halle Berry and the late Natalie Desselle that had BAPS as the title though I don’t know if it counts properly as the trope
@@FreyaEinde They became BAPS when they inherited the money and moved into the mansion. Technically, no they weren’t typical BAPS. I consider Joan from Girlfriends and many of the black characters from 90’s/ early 00’s sitcoms BAPS.The girls in blackish also qualify same with Claire from My Wife and Kids.
Oof, the style ✨
Hilary Banks is definitely my fave BAP; she's also so funny and stylish :)
From a Jewish Nigerian Princess raised in U.K. I’m LOVING this take 🥰🥰🥰❤️❤️
There's a bigger discussion to be had as well about Jewish representation in TV and film in general.
As well as Jewish characters being played by non-Jews which is fine, I feel like many Jewish characters are simply Jewish "in name only" as we say. For example, there are certain characters completely built on Jewish stereotype but show no actual connection to the religion - like Howard Wolowitz and The Goldbergs. Chanukah gets thrown in from time to time and the mention of Bar Mitzvahs and whatever but that's about it. I've almost never seen a Jewish character keeping kosher, going to shul or doing any other Jewish holiday besides Chanukah. I think the only time Shomer Shabbas (or Shabbat) has been brought up has been in The Big Lebowski and one episode of Family Guy. Rugrats and Hey Arnold also had passing Jewish references. Yes there's movies on the Holocaust and maybe the odd representation of a religious family being against a family member who comes out or wants to marry a non-Jew..but those aren't representations of your average Jew.
I think it's a shame that more practicing Jewish actors like Mayim Bialik, Rashida Jones and even Isla Fisher don't play more realistic Jewish roles.
That's because you can be Jewish but not TOO Jewish. Like Howard from Big Bang Theory that was always eating shrimp. It's not a funny or clever or new joke, but somehow it's still very present. The character has to be Jewish without actually being Jewish.
What about Tansparent?
The thing is, Judaism is both an ethnicity and a religion. You can be ethnically Jewish, but secular. In Israel for example, most people are secular and do not observe Shabbat. I think most do keep kosher but not everybody. That doesn't make anybody less ethnically Jewish.
@@if3359 that's my husband and his family. Ethnically Jewish, but they're all Catholics. There are snippets of Jewish tradition, like eight days of small gifts at Christmas and some recipes, but it's mostly been lost to family history.
You are absolutely right. People can identify as being part of the Jewish diaspora without being devoutly religious but we need to have more representation of Jews who do decide to be part of the religion. It would mean so much to see more diverse representation of Jews' wealth, race, religious beliefs, and value systems in media. Why do people get so obsessed with portraying Bar-Mitzvah while wonderful holidays like Purim are absolutely never mentioned? Its because they only show us in the context of what they know non-Jewish audiences will understand. We are all so very different from one another if you take the time to get to know us. Hopefully this will get better with time.
i don't think this did a deep enough dive into why emphasizing wealth is particularly, historically harmful to the jewish community
I 100% agree! I think maybe the women who run The Take didn't feel equipped to go into the antisemitism as much as the sexism, so they just didn't. But at parts it almost felt they were agreeing that Jews are rich and privileged and just saying these privileged people need more nuance on screen, when in reality what we need more than anything is to dismantle that whole stereotype of Jews and money.
It’s a more advantageous stereotype than every single other ethnicity/culture deals with. Can I know how it’s harmful other than making people assume, well, prosperity? Is it disadvantage erasure? Genuinely would like to know.
In this trope at least, being Jewish bears the privileges of not only race, but class and socioeconomic advantage - with the only disadvantage being historical malignment on the basis of culture- which isn’t visible. This is the history within the US, not Germany.
@@msmiami212 I would suggest the article "For 2,000 years we’ve linked Jews to money. It’s why antisemitism is so ingrained" in the Guardian, if you would like to learn more. Violence against jews is often linked to the perceived idea of wealth, and the implication it was ill-gotten
This is a good point
@@msmiami212 the way antisemitism functions is that Jews are a sort of barrier for the ruling class. Instead of the actual people in power getting taked down by the people they're oppressing, the ruling classes can point to the jews as the culprits, and unite with the oppressed and working classes against the jews, staying in power and changing nothing about the status quo. That's how antisemitism has functioned historically and in many cases still does today. Also it's just inaccurate. Sure there are some jews who are well off, but the majority of jews is not rich.
I’m disappointed there was no mention of J*p being a slur. They just kept saying it, and noting how Jewish people faced atrocities during WWII, but didn’t mention the slur from the same time period? Just spell it out or say the words.
I really appreciate this video addressing the fact that not all Jewish people are white Europeans ("Ashkenazi Jews"). I'm Jewish and an Israeli, and there is a multitude of ethnic groups living here. Yet, American movies and shows always portray the Jewish character as Eastern European and white, completely disregarding the vast populations of Jews from North African and Middle-Eastern countries ("Sephardic" Jews) and the Ethiopian Jewish community. It's almost as though Hollywood forgot that a religion can contain a vast variety of ethnicities.
Ashkenazi Jews also comprise about *90-95%* of the American Jewish population!
Not all Ashkenazi Jewish people are white though. And not all Sephardic or Mizrahi Jewish folks are people of color. Our regional based identities are a lot more complicated then we often portray.
Drake and Rashida Jones are examples of black Aschkenazy Jews. And Aschkenazy Jews have a different haplotype than Europeans.
@@carm7518 has Rashida ever placted as an identified Jewish woman in a show or movie? I've only seen her presented as ethnically ambiguous.
As far as I know, Sephardic Jews are those from Spain and Portugal, and they are usually white and brown, my neighbor is a Sephardic Jew is white and his wife is Spanish, and their children are white and blond.
I'm still waiting for a whole episode about "Crazy Ex Girlfriend", the show is underrated
This is interesting as I see a parallel between this stereotype and the portrayal of women from first generation high achieving middle/upper middle class African immigrant families in African media along the lines of the model minority stereotype and how women in these groups operate. This is my background as a first generation kenyan immigrant too this country. Women from west African countries such as Nigeria , Ghana , & East African nations such as Kenya often fall along the same expectations. We are all expected to be high achieving , highly educated , and too also marry well( meaning men who are financial providers and also high achieving & educated) in order to continue too achieve the American dream that our black African immigrant parents have struggled and sacrificed too achieve. It’s so interesting that this is the experience of me and so many of my fellow African immigrant friends and sisters and I can see it paralleled in this trope. The point of being a woman who is a part of very much so historically and currently marginalized groups( in my case black & immigrant) as well as navigating privilege due too class also hit home for me.
Absolutely. In Crazy Ex Girlfriend the song ‘Forget it’, references mothers of a few ethnicities that go through this struggle
Ya gotta be a doctor, lawyer, or engineer in these streets! Lol
As a Ghanian-American, I could definitely see the resemblance💯
That’s wild for Haitian American women they are expected to do well in school but as soon as your done with high school/College they’re only expected be able take care of the “home” with the classic cook, clean, and raise the children and throw away all the years of work they’ve done in school.
Dorcus, I totally have seen that stereotype in play. I work with so many African immigrants in healthcare and my brother has a Kenyan immigrant godmother who owns her own business. Coincidentally I work at a Jewish retirement community that has highlighted some of these overlapping stereotypes that you mentioned, so I can affirm the similarities.
It's so funny that I never thought of/realized most of these characters were Jewish. I just attributed their behavior to being privileged white women. Is that good? Like, even the Parks and Rec girl to me I always forget she's Jewish and I've seen that show like four times.
No, that means the stereotype has just been really deeply internalized to the point that it doesnt raise any red flags
Well it could be good if you don't associate all those stereotypes with Jewish people, like you don't see a big nose and someone being money obsessed and equate them to being Jewish, but also like the other person said, it could also be a sign that this trope is so common we all think it's normal
@@bred.5991 I myself and Jewish and managed to make it this far without knowing this trope even existed until now. I'm vaguely aware of the assumption people have about Jewish people being rich (I very much don't fit that stereotype though so I barely heard that growing up) but the rest of this....honestly I'm so offended that this is so deeply baked into Hollywood at this point. As someone hoping to work in entertainment as a writer, I'm hoping to one day create characters that will help in a more positive or at least neutral look at Jewish culture.
I didn’t either and just assumed it was a rich people thing 😂😂
Right, I am really confused. So the only to know someone is jewish is if they say so ?
Sooo who's gonna tell them that saying JAP is also a different kind of slang referring to different often ostracized group?
I had to scroll way too far to find this.
What group?
Sorry, I’ve never heard the term before
@@ItssMelissa it is a offensive term that was used against the Japanese and Japanese-Americans during WW2.
Think they already know cuz surprise surprise, similar acronyms can have different meanings
If you look up j*p it comes up as a slur for Japanese/Japanese-Americans and that's how it is more widely known. They could have said something else in this video
Crazy ex girlfriend, tackled every subject under the sun and does it so well in my opinion, I am diagnosed with bpd, but since I'm young it's not 100% set in stone and I related to the whole show with Rebecca, so many things she does, says and believes are things i deal with too it's crazy how well executed that show is
guys please be sensitive to the fact that j*p is a racial slur! i know its not meant to refer to japanese people in this context but i was quite alarmed when i heard it spoken
I cannot agree more and I'm shocked that this didn't come up during their research. I know their focus was on Jewish women, but how does typing in that acronym not result in WW2 references?
Please be aware that it's also a slur to Jewish women.
@@davidcheater4239 Yes. I'm pretty sure that was the point of the video.
why choose to be offended by something when it's clear there was no intent... they made it clear they're using the acronym
@@UnboxingAlyss I know, but quote #1 "I know its not meant to refer to japanese people....: Quote #2 "I know their focus was on Jewish women, but...."
There seem to be a lot of comments along the lines that anti-Semitic slurs are intrinsically acceptable. Go ahead with insulting and degrading Jewish people and we'll applaud. Just make sure that no non Jews are harmed since unlike Jews it is offensive to use slurs about them.
It reminds me of the newspapers that would print their shock and dismay when "bystanders who weren't even Jewish" got killed in the bombings of Jewish stores or community centres.
It's funny because everyone in the comments is talking about how they didn't realize rachel was jewish, but I clocked every single Jewish stereotype while watching friends and was confused why the show never mentioned it explicitly since they could compare her to monica and ross
I don’t think she is. Dr Green, jewish? She has every WASP stereotype which isn’t necessarily the same. Also I find it hard to believe she’d be Jewish and it never came up even once she had a baby with Ross and became a step parent to Ben.
@@msmiami212 she definitely is and Green is a pretty Jewish last name. Kauffman confirmed it. She calls her grandma the Yiddish name for grandma. She had to get a surgery for a big nose when she was young. Phoebe says to spin her dreidel in the winter holiday song she made. Her dad is a doctor. Her parents befriended another Jewish family. There are clues if you look for them.
“He’s not Jewish! Did you know how these people live? Did you know what they were like? Your father never stayed out all night without calling!” - Karen’s Mother (Goodfellas)
My absolute favourite quote from that movie, also sums up Jewish Mothers in a nutshell!
“Because you never let him go out, ma! He’s with his FRIENDS!”
@Lindsey Bailes As an italian-american who grew up with that movie, I actually agree. The mom was right lmao
As a Jewish American girl, this was super interesting!
Barbra Streisand is a Mood and let us never forget that.
You should do the “I’m not like other girls trope” because it is very toxic and creates internalised misogyny 💞💞
They did a dissection of the "cool girl" before. Take a look, it's quite good.
@@smaakaker Yes! It was the video that got me to subscribe to their channel - still my personal favorite of theirs. 😊
It doesn’t create internalised misogyny, it‘s the result of it
@@noname-dk3wi I think it's a circle
@@noname-dk3wi spot on
I grew up as a Jewish American girl in the south. My family was squarely middle class. We didn’t have that many Jews around us until I attended a Jewish staple, URJ camps. I was lucky enough to be granted a scholarship every time I went to help pay for the costs. When I got there the class difference was distinct. Every girl I met there was the epitome of a Jewish American princess. As I got to know these women I understood more the underlying pressures and why we fall into these stereotypes. Their families have wealth because we were forced into professions that later turned out to be lucrative, many of us came from Eastern European backgrounds which allowed us to “fit in more”, now we are the result of the sacrifices of our predecessors with disposable income but understanding of what it means to be an other. I think that’s why we feel the need to establish ourself and “prove” that we belong in society. It’s like we can’t win, if we’re poor, we’re stingy, if we’re rich we’re greedy. We can’t win. While we may fall into these stereotypes, I feel like it’s kind of over used just to describe any young Jewish woman who is proud of her identity and ambitious.
Could you guys not have just spelled out J A P....I really couldn’t focus with you saying a slur the whole time
literally!!
No they couldn’t, because in the context of this video it is an acronym.
Sincerely, a Jewish woman.
@@m.s.6586 ok but you still shouldn’t say slurs when you could easily not - a Japanese woman
@@m.s.6586 Okay, but that doesn’t mean you should disregard the historical and racial significance of that word. Especially in regards to what Asian Americans are currently going through right now.
- sincerely, an Asian woman
But...they’re not saying a slur. They literally explained exactly what they were talking about. It’s extremely odd that you expect someone to not even say the thing they’re talking about because it sounds like another completely unrelated thing.
Rachel Green is a good example of an ambiguously Jewish character where the stereotypes and cultural signifiers were there but it wasn't outright stated in the show.
Yeah this acronym is kinda awkward for reasons
Well the Pronunciation makes the difference
I immediately thought so too. They could’ve just reduced it to “the princess” for this video’s purposes and it would’ve been clearer and less distracting.
I mean at least they tried to pronounce it different
I thought I was the only one who heard that acronym. Like the acronym still spells it, but I know they were trying to pronounce it differently.
They could have just said the letters
I'm Jewish and when I was little I always hated being called "princess" or "spoiled" more than anything and now I know why
You know what? I've always recognized this trope but didn't know it was it's own trope. You learn something new all the time.
“If I am I because you are you, and you are you because I am I, then I am not I and you are not you. But if I am I because I am I, and you are you because you are you, then I am I and you are you.” - Rabbi Menachem Mendel of Kotzk
I love this quote! Talk about an epic tongue twister! 😂
“I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together”
As a Jewish woman: thank you
That’s all
No ever talks about this trope and I’ve had to deal with it my whole life. It’s like they made this video for me. I just hope that Jewish representation will improve.
@@rachelblock4240 I've read a lot of the comments on this video and it's truly heart breaking in a way I can't fully put words to. I'm glad someone else feels seen by this video (:
Same. As a Jewish woman, this trope has come to haunt me. Some of these comments are frustrating and breaking my heart.
@@harleen222 as a bi Jewish woman, thanks for the tip. I'll have to try Crazy Ex-Girlfriend now. Especially now that I found out about this trope for the first time...I need something positive.
@@marisacohen93 hey! I'm also bi and Jewish, you'll love it
it was sort of weird watching this as a Japanese person, lol
I'm not Japanese, but I have some basic understanding of American history that made this very uncomfortable. I'm really confused as to why they're like "Jewish American Princess? No, that's too long, let's use a slur". What happened?
@@colleenrawson8477 yeah like at least acknowledge it lol
@@kf8113 I made a face every time it was uttered... yikes
I'm not Japanese at all and this is VERY weird. I get that they threw in the disclaimer but if they were talking about Northern Indianapolis Germany Girls of America, I doubt you would hear them turning THAT into an acronym just for convenience sake.
I'm sorry you're having to hear it over and over
I'm so excited, especially with Rachel Bloom in the thumbnail
Also the "shiksa goddess" would be an interesting addition to this trope
Gotta be honest. I really didn’t know any of these characters were Jewish or even Jewish-coded. Rich white women is a popular trope in and of itself and that really is how I took some of these characters. Highlighting the ethnic stereotypes prevalent in the “Jewish American Princess” trope specifically does help to illustrate some distinctions from Rich White Women in general. I guess it’s difficult to see this characterization as anything beyond an idealistic, yet stereotypically misogynistic portrayal of white women since my frame of reference for what is Jewish identity is limited. I’ll notice characters in-universe specifically saying they’re Jewish or referencing a Jewish cultural thing, but if that’s all I see or hear I struggle to identify the experiences unique to Jewish Americans as an ethnic diaspora since they’ll most likely register as white to me.
EDIT: Not if they have an accent. In cases where they’re Jewishness is on full display in their voice, clothes, language etc. it becomes hard to miss. But then it becomes an issue of stereotyping people to the point of caricature.
"Struggle to identify the experiences unique to Jewish Americans as an ethnic disapora as they'll most likely register as white to me." Maybe you could read up on history and you can go back thousands of years and you would understand (it would combat the limited experience). :-)
"Jap" offensive to two ethnic groups.
In all the tropes that this channel has covered, in all the videos, one thing, one problem remains central: Lack of identity. What it means to take ownership of who you really are
There is an over reliance on stereotypes, which is more of a business decision as it's all about creating a character that is simple, easy to relate to, digestable to the target audience.
I think it's something we can't truly escape. Once one stereotype leaves for good, a new one emerges. So they'll always stay prevalent in media, because it's natural.
@@mynameisreallycool1 I respectfully disagree. Change is an enduring process, but it can be done. Removal of a stereotype can be permanent if there is a willingness to reflect and learn.
I don’t think you should have used the abbreviation for Jewish American Princess...
Should just be J.P.
Coming from the Philippines, this trope is so foreign and fascinating for me. I grew up with The Nanny, i loved and watched both Crazy ExGF and Marvelous Mrs Maisel, I see this trope a lot on movies but I don't know anyone Jewish... haha
as a lower middle class half Jewish tomboy.....I didn't know this was a trope....and I don't know how to feel about it. Mostly....offended honestly. I know anti Semitism is rampant but I never knew most of these characters were even meant to be coded as Jewish. I just thought they were materialistic. Why on earth must we connect that to a religion or culture? Why not just say they are upper class? I see no way to save this trope and make it positive in a realistic way unless we just openly have characters that go against the norm from the get go. As a writer myself, I hope I get the chance to help turn this around somehow.
yeah, i think this video should have spent a little more time reminding the audience that these stereotypes largely aren't true. Maybe it's supposed to go without saying when you bring up the word 'stereotype', but still
In all of your research how did you not come across J*p as a huge slur towards Japanese people? It's a shame because this is an interesting video. I cringed the entire time you said it
@Personal Jesus This abbreviation is more well known as a slur if you look it up that's what will pop up first. I understand for the context of this video that's not what they meant but they could have used something else
I cringed too, but words can have more than one meaning. It's about context. Since this video isn't about Japanese or Asian people for that matter, it's clearly not used to insult people of that community. I'm sure that if there was a better abbreviation for the stereotype that was commonly known, they would've used that.
Yes I was horrified the first time I heard it!
@@mynameisreallycool1 I see your point but if I had to make a sketch today on CZcams I wouldn't paint myself in a blackface or blacken my face as I know how people would go crazy and I'd get banned if taken the wrong way.
Yet I am of the opinion that when Robert Downey Junior did it in tropic thunder it didn't have a derogatory meaning aimed at black people but against over the top actors.
I wouldn't cosplay as traditional "black Pete" either if I had to publish something on CZcams yet the story of black Pete is about Christmas not segregation
Many different ways portray "black face" yet always a risqué topic.
As a Japanese descendant girl, everytime o hear the word JAP é cringed, like I new what it meant and they way u meant it, but I still cringed a lot. Had to stop a couple times to breathe lol
Yeah I kinda did a double take when they said that's what they'd be using the whole video. It made me uncomfortable.
I was flabbergasted by the constant use of that word.
No confusion about it, it has always been a word invented to be extremely derogatory and has a history of propaganda... Well it is not as if Japanese American got imprisoned in interment camp during the height of propaganda... Oh wait...
Extremely cringe, and if I had to explain a concept I wouldn't come up with abreviations that are similar to such a word...
It is strange to me as an Israeli Jew to see this. It is again the same perception that most Jews are rich. Which in reality of course is not always true. This perception is considered towards Jews from Europe who are considered "Ashkenazi" and Jews from the Middle East, or from other countries called differently. What is interesting is that the Jews in Israel who play in Hollywood were chosen to play Italians or terrorists. Which leaves a racist perception of non-European Jews called "Ashkenazis." I hope some understand that these are stereotypes and not what exists in reality.
I did not see people asking for it in the comments but I think it would be very important to make a video about how the Arab character / Arab woman is portrayed in cinema. I think that much hurts the way the media often portrays an Arab as a terrorist.Please no hatred in the comments.
I'm starting to realize the thing about almost all stereotypes is they are created by someone other than who they are about and yet the subject will try to absorb it, try to reclaim it instead of dissolve it all together and sort of maintain the status
I love how often Crazy Ex Girlfriend comes up in these "Trope Explained" videos -- but not as an example of a stereotype run amuck, rather as an example of addressing and making fun of stereotypes
Please make an analysis about "Jane the Virgin", there is so much to talk about: the soap opera model, the immigrants, the American Dream, the evolving character and more!
Please do a take on Crazy Ex-girlfriend.
YES!!! That show is so so good. Maybe they could do an episode on that trope in general and talk about how it subverts said trope. I just really want that show to get more traction
CXG deserves a whole series of videos!!!!
Yes! It’s so underrated!!
Please , pretty please
Yeah!!!
I was today years old when I learned that Rachel Green was Jewish. So, Rachel was Jewish, the Gellers were Jewish, and maybe Janice too? I always assumed Janice was a New York classist portrait of a Jewish girl (because she shared a style with Fran Fine), but maybe she was just from a lower class? (I had all these thoughts watching these shows in Chile in the 90s, maybe I'm wrong) .
I always thought Janice was jewish. Her last name was smth like Litman.
I personally don’t find anything surprising that a lot of friends characters are jewish, it’s new york, a lot of jewish immigrants from all over the world settled there.
hola weon
@@flo8334 hola!
I LOVE THIS AS A YOUNG JEWISH WOMAN THIS GAVE ME SO MUCH PERSPECTIVE
Stereotypes about Muslims in Hollywood next please
Yess especially the Muslim girl
@@menemachus9130 muslim hijabi who takes it off for a white boy is already its own category
@@AmetafJohora and the Idea that removing the hijab is a symbol liberation and becoming free of the male oppressors in her life
YES! I feel like I've been waiting on a video from the take to mention Muslims portrayed in tv shows and movies. It'll make for a very interesting topic for how problematic most of the portrayals are.
@@AmetafJohora is this common in western media? I've never seen it I don't think. A lot of US media portrayals of Muslims are way more problematic than of most other groups though.
I had no idea Rachel Green was Jewish 😳
Wait... I didn’t think Rachel from Friends was Jewish. Have I been missing that all these years?
she’s not, monica is. it’s a mistake in the video
that doesn’t actually matter
She is but it is just hinted at
I remember her telling Phoebe that she isn’t Jewish I’m one of the episodes where she writes a Christmas song
@@neutrallynonsensical3477 That’s Chandler.
The Take usually does a good job, but I’m disappointed at their use of the term ‘Jap’ here. Contextually it is correct, but it’s still a racist slur with roots in WW2. This was an easy one to dodge, and they luffed it. I’m fully aware The Take did not come up with it, but there is no way they didn’t know about its other usage.
I'm happy someone else pointed this out because I've only ever heard this word in its racist context and I was thrown for a loop
They should have just said the letters out loud. J......A......P would have made a difference. Flat out saying Jap just sounds so wrong.
👀👀👀Jap is a derogatory term used towards Japanese people bruh.....
exactly lmao
They used JAP as an acronym for Jewish American Princess
We Jews are less than 1% of the world population. We love to see ourselves on screen, even as stereotypes. We do recognize some of exaggerated qualities, and it makes us laugh, because what you don't realize are these qualities that enable us to survive an anti-Semitic world.
it would be nice to see us portrayed as normal human beings tho tbh. these stereotypes are played out and just offensive at this point
@@nevs.3830 Oh, but we are not normal. We are survivors of a Holocaust and centuries of persecution. We should have disappeared by now, but we are still here. We built a Jewish nation, and we helped build the U. S. Normal is overrated, but if the stereotype bothers you, become a wtiter and change it.
@@suereed3474 go easy on the superiority complex, it's not a good look. We're just normal people.
@@chana7276 We are so superior there are hardly any of us left?
I’ve never noticed how often this trope is used until it mentioned it’s usually heavily implied the suddenly a string of last names of female characters ending with -witz
Thank you so much for this AMAZING video. I'm an atheist but I grew up in a Catholic community and family that constantly viewed and talked about Jews in such a disgusting, antisemitic way. And I had to constantly fight with them over it because it's so wrong to keep perpetuating this, specially among kids... This video is so important for this same reason. Thank you once again. Much love from Argentina!
My family are Jewish Argentines!
Well .. so i'm glad my grandma did an aaliyah to israel from argentina
on behalf of Jewish people, thank you for bravely standing up for us. Always appreciated. ❤
Marisa, negative feelings toward you, keep trying
@@user-vm6lx5yx1k thanks for the support; I will keep trying
I had no idea Rachel was Jewish and never knew about this trope! This video is so eye opening.
While I wouldn't doubt many Ashkenazi Jews benefit from white privilege, despite having inhabited Central and Eastern Europe, due to remaining very isolated amongst themselves, they have only small amounts of DNA matching the area. They are instead about half Levantine (from Israel where they originated) and half Southern European. Phenotypically they can appear Middle Eastern. So whether they are white is a bit more complex of a question.
Love these stereotype/trope videos! I would personally love to see one on the paranoid/hysterical wife/girlfriend trope that started with the woman's films of the 40's i.e., Rebecca, Dragonwyck, Suspicion, Secret Beyond the Door, etc. - a modern example would be Crimson Peak. I would love the discussion of women's paranoia in film in relation to their relationships and how this trope was perpetrated by male writers and how it has evolved and still persists today - basically, kind of an extension of your video on Gaslighting. Appreciate your consideration, but, either way, keep up the great work!
I always find it funny how the actress who plays Rachel Berry in glee is not Jewish but the actress who plays Quinn is.
lea is Jewish too.
Lea Michelle is a saphardic Jew. I remember when Googling her during my glee phase
@@SkippyLaughlin ok so are glee clubs a real thing?
Asking as a Norwegian person who dont know if they are really a thing or not
Maybe you were thinking of the actor who played Puck not being Jewish but the actress who played Quinn yes being Jewish
Could you do west Asian stereotypes? Not just Muslim but just west Asian in general? It would be really interesting to see that
They done the Model Minority but yeah I wanna see them dissect the Dragon Lady (wanna see them drag Bridget Jones's Diary for this)
West Asians don’t really have any representations tbh
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 the dragon lady and model minority is an EAST Asian stereotype, which this channel has actually already made of a video about. The comment asked for a video on WEST Asian stereotypes
Please make one about the Asian Dragon Lady stereotype next. :)
i wonder if they did the "cool & different pink streaked asian girl" already - i noticed there's a lot of them in movies and it annoys me lol
@@fairsuns I've only seen that in Glee
@@fairsuns devon aoki fast and the furious + knives in scott pilgrim vs the world
Do how White people have someone in their family say "I'm part Native American, my great great grandmother was a Cherokee Princess"
im pretty sure they wont bc this is super rare and this stereotype usually doesnt impact the plot of too many shows
Lol Mona Lisa Sapperstein is truly a Jewish icon. I love her.
Using the word “jap” was not a good way to go...it is an offensive term for Japanese people used during WWII.
Isn't it a simple short form?
@@medicamedico4335 maybe it could be seen like that but because of the negative historical connotations i wouldn't label it just as a short form of japanese
And on the Jewish holiday of Purim too! What a fitting day for such a video topic
Happy Purim!
Video:
"Jewish privilege, because she is white"
Germany, and history: 👀
Love the channel but every time I heard “JAP” it was super cringe. Even when used as an acronym for something else, still comes off very tone deaf.
I am 65 and grew up in majority Jewish neighborhoods a large part of my life. I probably know more Yiddish than the average, non-religious Jewish American today. I had no idea that most of these characters shown in the vignettes were meant to be Jewish or Jewish American princesses.
So in my eyes the stereotype doesn’t hold up very well.
Come on, you wouldn't make an acronym with the letters: n, i, g, regardless of what it means and then say the acronym out loud hundreds of times. As a channel always representing itself as woke this is pretty stupid to do lol
So tone deaf! I yell every time that they say Jap.
I was going to comment something similar, glad someone already said something. Crinnnngggging.
This video is impossible to listen to. It’s like stumbling on land mines every few steps
The Take didn't make up the acronym. Its been a popular term since the 70s or earlier, and it's a super popular and common phrase in Jewish communities. As a Jewish person, I'm very used to hearing it and it doesn't bother me at all, although I can see how it would be hurtful to hear as someone who's more used to the unfortunate other connotation of the term
This is clearly a problematic term that should go away, but The Take didn't create it, they talked about it, being mostly critical of it. They should have added this criticism to the video too. But how do you exactly make a video about this famous trope in media without naming it?
Can we get a You Know it’s a Guillermo Del Toro Film If video?
It’d be interesting to see your take on his works
Yes! I love his specific style. Ian Danskin has a pretty good take on his films in a video called "that one Guillermo Del Toro movie", is definitely worth a watch
Brilliant idea
@@Firegen1 thanks!
@@krystofdayne I’ll be sure to give it a watch
Guillermo’s style is referenced in their superb analysis of The Shape of Water. Agree, however, that a broader analysis is warranted. That said, I can hardly wait for his upcoming film Nightmare Alley!
I honestly had no idea most of these characters were Jewish. (although I only know some of them in the first place)
Honest question from a foreign perspective: Why people in America are always classified as Jewish American, Italian American, Irish American, Asian American and so on, if they're all born and raised in the USA, why can't people be just American? Or American with "X" heritage? That's something I don't understand quite well
It is just a shorter way to say American with "X" heritage. It's a way to differentiate Italians from Americans who are Italian in heritage etc.
When you accidentally offend your viewers by using the slur JAP as shorthand for Jewish women, lol. Nice!
Ikr lol
They never once used it for all Jewish Women. They were using it for the particular princess trope.
I think it says something about how far the Jewish community assimilated/was accepted the in US that, as a European growing up in the 90s-00s, I had no idea that characters like Rachel in Friends or Cher in that high school movie were implied to be Jewish. Furthermore, I didn't think Jewish people were seen negatively at all, based on the Western media I was consuming. I thought it was a cool thing, like being Seinfeld.
They still aren’t treated well here.
@@jexikavindictive I'm sure you have a point, I don't know much about people's actual experiences. I was just referring to my childhood impression based on TV.
Hi Jewish person here, I cringed everytime I heard "J*p". J*p is used as a derogatory term for both Jews and Japanese people. Fun fact, you can spell out the acronym or simply not use it. That works too.
Side note: I really dislike the Jewish Princess stereo type and other antisemitic stereo types. Its rooted in hate and normalizes it. Which is scary.
As a Jewish woman I’ve had people make so many weird comments to me about money, ewww