Fixing Melee (again)
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i can't believe he managed to completely fix every melee jank all by himself
And now he's gone forever,
Quick find more jank
Gotta tell him to fix Roy dash attack animation
@@drkdrk3818 I have unfortunate news for you czcams.com/video/Zv7bO_jNHZY/video.html
just use crazyhand its pretty easy u can do it urself
...again!
Finally, you guys understood my pain!
You're my favorite melee player aMSa
Your suffering shall no longer be silenced
4:14 "Here is another singular dimensional mistake in Melee."
"Jigglypuff!"
"And here is Puff's upsmash..."
I absolutely lost it here lol
glad im not the only one that caught onto that shade lmao
Lol, I didn't catch that until your comment.
Ytho y shade cmon man
i just got the joke XD
I feel like "Here is another singular dimensional mistake in Melee, and here is her upsmash" would have landed slightly smoother
People talk about the editing but no one ever talks about his sound design. Way too satisfying
BWHAAAH WAAHB WAHAAAAAHHAAHHH!!!
*Sound of character dying in the abyss*
You have a point
I don't know, probably because sound design is part of the editing process..?
@@chimklee No they don't
@@sirbibton you ever eat a mattress before
“Fixing this is so easy, a Marth main could do it”
Zain just got the biggest migraine and he has no idea why
I will always be impressed by how many different topics you’re able to come up with about melee.
That and your god-tier editing, of course.
Amazing work.
I absolutely love this channel, completely agree.
@Just Dope No.
Hi slowking lmao
@Just Dope lmao bot
he's like pannenkoek but for melee
Nice, now I can have Johns when I lose as Falcon in Ultimate for something the developers forgot in melee.
The true Falcon Johns is that there hasn't been a new F-Zero game since 2003.
@@awkwardcultism
Exactly. It's hard to take on the mentality of a futuristic racing champion when you're stuck driving a beat-up clunker with an ancient engine that's 20 years old.
(Don't be angry, GX, baby! You know I didn't mean it!)
imagine how different melee would be if it had had just one extra month of development time.
right? and lord knows how different it would be if it were allowed to be developed fully without any deadline. would it be better? worse? what does that even mean?
Had had
@@ono446 And yet it is a perfectly acceptable use of the language. English is weird.
Isn’t that what PAL version is
@@Super_Suchi truly the inferior version.
AsumSaus I think you are THE standard of video essay visual learning right now. I think that your understanding of using visuals as evidence or assistance to what is being said/taught is top tier and you put so much effort into making your concepts clear, and visually relevant
it’s always a blessed day when asumsaus drops content
True
This is his last video
early
@Just Dope bruh
True
"we can't let a mid tier be better than a high tier in any regard"
That's a painfully good line
Asum didn't just fix melee, he fixed my day....
Aww 🥰
Being able to hit with the back end of Falcon U-Air would've been so cool for edge guards man... sadly it is not to be. Great stuff Saus man.
You can still constantly do it with the second hitbox
@Plume Brisée It does work but it sends at a more horizontal angle which makes back air a better choice if you can land it in similar situations.
Tipman is a semi-spike which sends at a much lower angle and allows for much stronger gimps either from ledge or juggling positions that none of his other hitboxes can achieve.
It's already fucking huge, behave lmaoooo
@@alibissbm4086 Hey, would've been COOL never said it would have been needed.
God the editing is insane. Keep it up
casual AsumSaus editing, yeah
The production value on these videos is way higher than anyone expects them to be, and I absolutely love it.
I have flashbacks to the meme where Marth and Yoshi are on the top platform of yoshi’s story, showing their grab ranges, lol
Tbf, arms should be longer than tongues
love your take on "edutainment" videos dude, wish you the best
i learned everything this guy said in high school but it didn't take me four years
@@loogi_is_die i dont know what your comment means my man
Thanks Asum, finally we can play a complete, solid, well-designed, children party game.
Melee
Smash Ultimate
How did you get so good at editing?
Nanomachines, son
Fancy meeting you here
Most definitely sold his soul
You can learn how to edit like me on Skillshare, Skillshare is an online community for…
Just dropping everything to watch this video, don’t mind me.
Same 👀
Currently watching at work... 👀
**Crash**
I love that one fix is fixing poor design, one is fixing an honest mistake, and one revolutionizes a top-tier character's meta LMAO
Like imagine if Falcon had had access to tipman for the last 20 years. Maybe S2J wouldn't have been famous for his poor edgeguards. I'm sure Wizzy's edgeguard flowchart would be even cleaner. And I don't even want to think about the nasty things None would do with it.
Me a Marth main: I’ve never been so offended by something that I 100% agree with
As someone who mods rivals of aether I can relate to many of the mistakes the melee team made especially with the time crunch
honestly modding RoA sounds so hard because you have to just *know* how to design and function a character trying to make it without any mistakes
I'm weeping right now, imagining Falcon with a proper Tipman. Imagine all the glorious possibilities Falcon mains were denied. Sigh.
It's truly terrifying to imagine how good Falcon would've been with tipman. Edge guarding isn't his strong suit so that would really help one of his weakest areas. Ledge hop upair would be devastating on people recovering.
@@Zxv975 As someone who only just started playing Melee and is a dual Captain Falcon/Ganondorf main, does Ganondorf having a Tipman make him better at edge guarding than Falcon?
Also, with the Tipman, would Captain Falcon become Top 5, or would it not affect him to that extent?
@@Soulraven2735 superficially and at entry level play, yes. Ganon's upair, jab and fair are very strong at beating predictable recoveries. However, Ganon is mid tier for a reason. Once your opponents get good enough to the point where their recoveries won't be as predictable then suddenly Ganon won't be able to keep up. This is when Falcon's tools (weak knee, rising stomp, bair mostly) will become better, because Falcon as a high tier just has more options to deal with better opponents. The options Falcon has are harder to execute so it won't be obvious that they're better until you've quite good at the game and are consistently facing strong opponents that require strong tools to deal with them.
I think it's great that you're dual maining at this point. When you start out it's important to just do whatever is fun to engage with the game and keeps you playing. I'd recommend just keeping in mind that if you ever hit a plateau where you feel like Ganon just cannot keep up then that's probably not your imagination, and you might have outgrown the character at that point.
It will also always be good to have him as a pocket pick for specific matchups/players, and this means you can avoid playing into Ganon's unwinnable matchups (Fox, Marth & Falcon, arguably Sheik and Falco but those aren't quite as bad).
@@Soulraven2735 that's an interesting follow up question, but I don't think so. It would be great for him and make him overall stronger, but the main issue that Falcon actually has isn't edge guarding, it's neutral, disadvantage and recovery. Falcon has enough tools currently to edgeguard perfectly proficiently (he is definitely the worst high tier character at it, but still miles better than mid or low tiers), they are just harder to utilise.
Even though Falcon would become better, he is already solidly 6th on the tier list. I can't see a case for why he would be above Sheik (especially considering recent Sheik dominance), he could *maybe* be better than Falco to obtain the 5th spot exactly, but there will always be a clear tier difference between him and the god tier characters (Fox & Marth) and he will always be worse than Jiggs.
Tbh i wouldnt mind these fixes being applied to tournament settings and/or slippi. even if it means (slightly) buffing top tiers like falcon and puff, i think for the sake of yoshi mains these changes would be pretty fair and good overall
yeah but nintendo would station snipers around your house before throwing a molotov through your window if you tried to play a nintendo game with a mod
I feel like this would create more problems then it fixes.
It would divide the community between implementing fixes and no fixed melee, and top players may have differing opinions so they may only choose to compete in tournaments which agree with their opinions. This would have knock on effects to local scenes and also yearly rankings as tournaments with vastly differing rulesets and metagames need to be accounted for.
Fizzi would also have to choose between keeping the old version or changing to the new one for Slippi, probably promoting outrage.
I think, even with all the broken, janky dogshit melee has, it doesn't need to be changed. At least not in this way.
@@plonzz Top players are already split on attending or not attending tourneys with either enabled or disabled frozen stadium so this is already a can of worms that's been opened.
@@queuedjar4578 they really aren't
I don't think the characters should be changed for standard tournament play, but it'd be awesome to be able to easily apply these mods within projects like Slippi or Akaneia. That's essentially how the Doom community works - there's options for purists, people who want to turn the game into something entirely different - and everyone inbetween :D
Um excuse me, I don't believe that you can claim to have fixed every issue in this game when Ganondorf's jab still does less than 350% damage.
Dude the level of in depth production in these videos is seriously so impressive.
4:32 It's so subtle. Instead of grabbing a screenshot or still from the game, you made the tree blink in the background. That attention to detail.
Every new AsumSaus vid I am constantly impressed at how good the editing and flow of everything is
Also you didn't need to go that hard at Jigglypuff but I appreciate it
Thank you for fixing literally everything in Melee. You're a true legend.
And now he is gone…forever
@@Magic_Ice The Fire Nation is due for an attack any day now
I love how much quality is condensed into just 6 minutes of video. You're reaching levels of editing finesse that shouldn't be possible my guy.
cap's missing hitbox is a direct paralell to luigi's dash attack. one seemingly accidental missing hitbox leads to an incomplete move and future devs assume it was intentional
The way you explain and edit all these videos of this old ass games is still SO impressive.
The overriding priority of some hit boxes over others is how I assume the weak hits of Zelda's Lighting Kick works.
5:37
Haha, funni enough.
*Now fix Bowser's grab.*
it’s insane to me that melee exists in a 3rd space, and that some moves and actions take place on the Z axis. great video as always
The way you are able to convey complex topics visually and with charm and jokes is unmatched. Big fan
As a game developer, I’m baffled by all the z-axis stuff (like in the case of yoshi’s grab) but I also understand that building an engine in such a short time wasn’t easy. I’m pretty confident you can check for collision interactions between characters while discarding the z-axis instead of modifying his hitbox. This will even make the calculations required to do so much faster.
With 3D models operating in a 2D plane, you can either model collision in the 3D world or flatten it (or even separate it entirely) into a 2D world. You could argue benefits and drawbacks for both approaches.
The 2D approach can get you more consistent results, particularly when character models and animations are a bit free with their 3rd dimension use (like Yoshi moving his head so far off the 2D plane.) At the same time, you lose those realistic variations that 3D collision creates, like Yoshi being able to dodge some attacks *because* he moves his head so far from the 2D plane.
You can get 2D collisions that look acceptable for most cases, but which look really bad for certain scenarios or models. Take a hypothetical example of a character that extends his arm at a 45 degree angle to the 2D plane. A "thin" attack (like a laser bolt) traveling along the 2D plane would rather visibly never hit that arm, but a "wide" attack like a horizontal slash or large spherical explosion might hit the arm even if the character's torso is out of range. If you want to implement a 2D-only collision system, then do you treat the arm as collidable or not? If you do, then you will also be creating new balance concerns. If you don't, then people will wonder why attacks that clearly envelope the arm still don't hit it.
You can see this kind of 3D/2D wonkiness in some 3D fighters that have 2D collision, and even some of the balance concerns. For example, in Street Fighter V you might have to push into the chest of an abnormally large character like Abigail to even get into close attack or throw range, his 2D collision boxes can be much smaller than his 3D model implies.
Honestly, 2D fighter hitboxes can look pretty awful when you examine them. It gets even worse once hit and hurt boxes start getting tweaked and rebalanced, but the character animations remain the same. 2D fighters may also use intangibility/invulnerability to inaccurately mimic effects that would have come naturally with 3D collisions. And that doesn't even get into Arc System Works' wonky solution of turning half of someone's body intangible to *specific* attacks just to create a desired behavior. (Seriously, if you feel the need to turn someone's entire upper body intangible so their jab can successfully function as an anti-air, then you really should instead be rethinking why you want a *horizontal* jab to function as an anti-air in the first place.)
I often find myself binging your videos, one after another. I've seen many of them at least twice, and some up to four, but I never really get bored of your content. I don't even like melee.
Dude I remember when your archived a lot of your videos in your second channel and I thought I was over. Im glad too see so many more eyes on Melee b/c of you.
The editing on these are so good.
now we just need a mod that changes all the things asumsaus mentioned in this video (and the other one where he also fixed melee)
Good work with your vids, i just spent like 3 hours just to watch and rewatch your stuff.
I was like " wow a new video, siiick"
in fixing meelee 3 we'll remove fox, marth, falco, jigglypuff, peach, the ice climbers, roy, luigi, samus, yoshi, mario, donkey kong, mr game and watch, captain falco, ganondorf, princess zelda, link, pikachu, dr mario, pichu, young link and mewtwo, so that kirby can finally be a viable character
every time I hear a classic doom sound effect in one of your videos it makes me smile :)
Every new upload means i have to watch all your videos again, theyre too good
"x is so easy a marth main could do it" will now become part of my regular speech
i love your channel, bro. such smooth editing and animations and great knowledge
0:32 "Pelong"
You make my favorite melee content on the internet, man. Keep up the great work 👍
Others have probably pointed this out but in Brawl, Dedede's spot dodge moved so far into the Z axis that it was barely vulnerable at all
I love Falco on the computer and the closeup of his face
Amazing video dude. I know how hard you work on these and they are great. Keep it up
Your videos are worth the wait for sure
Goddamn your editing is so fucking clean....that late night Falco hiding Falcon's hitbox is just....(chefs kiss)
Omg! Ive been waiting for this for so long!
Been looking forward to this for a while.
Nowadays, I never just watch your videos once. They’re very good
Please keep up the good work! I love all of your videos!
Ayyy thank you for the video! ❤ Currently watching while at work
An asumsaus video right on my birthday!? the world works in mysterious ways
Bro, the editing in that segment about the dimentional axis was amazing
love the editing as always
Your editing just keeps getting better!!!
Yes!!!!! I've been waiting my entire life for this
all of these videos are youtube/smash treasures. good shit
you are literally a top-10 modern-day editor. like, you edit videos better than everyone else active right now. it's insane
I love all of your videos, dude. Very entertaining watch.
So much effort packed into six minutes. You’re literally in my top 5 content creators bro
Fantastic video! Always a treat to watch your content
It sucks that you’ll no longer have videos to make but it’s nice to know that Melee is well and truly fixed completely and will never need to be looked at again.
OMFG THE EDITING IS SO GOOD
Godlike video, the yoshi spinning transition was 10/10
it amazes me how you are able to composit certain scenes together. you should make a behind the scenes video explaining some of it. I would watch it :)
or make it a patreon video or something
The z axis is vertical. Yeah, for some reason, the axes move around when you go from 2d to 3d. It's always been a pet peeve for some reason.
Well in 2d, x and y can either be horizontal and vertical (Super Mario Bros), or both horizontal (Legend of Zelda). So I guess it's based on the latter
thank you for fixing melee. before it was unplayable but now it is perfect. thanks asum saus. thank you asum
thank asum
Congratz! now we have to make your fixes tournament legal. \o/
last time i played melee i got super high and thought yoshi looked more like a koopa troopa lol melee is a high man’s sport
i can see that logic
I know it's only been 7 months since he posted but this video would have been the funniest cut off for the channel
Your editing is always on point
Great video! Much respect for the Glover music.
congrats on fixing every single problem with melee ever! Who knew SD remix just had to do three things?
Love your videos and your editing
Asum fixing melee jank is like looking at a 24-car pileup and trying to see how much of it can be fixed with just duct tape and determination
It really makes my day when you upload
Love your videos man. Keep it up
I just found this channel and good God this is a masterclass in editing
Glad your back Dude
Asumsaus upload babyyyyyy, my week just got bettee
Another fantastic video!
AsumSaus: Fixing Melee one bug at a time. A legendary hero.
AsumSaus production value is stupid high. Love the video, thanks.
your animations are beautiful. keep it up!!
whenever you upload it makes my day, please dont stop
The editing on this video is truly incredible.
How is someone supposed to be your competetor and beat your content? Your videos are to good!
Always happy when you upload
Those videos are so well put
these videos are just the best u can watch
A AsumSaus upload is a blessing