Battlespace 'The Cardassian Border War' The Price Of Peace
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The border war is only a "war" from the Cardassian perspective. In final analysis, the Federation never treated it as a war. By marshaling all of the resources of entire Cardassian Union, the Cardassians fought what's essentially a Federation peacekeeping operation. The end result seemed to give the Cardassians a false sense of being a major power, when in reality they were anything but. Even against a Federation task force of most older ships, the Cardassians had to expand countless resources and suffer horrendous losses to achieve a negotiated settlement.
This exactly, this guy knows nothing about the Federation and what they could have done to the Cardassians had they pushed a full scale battle on them. the Cardassians tech was also lacking in shields and phasers. The feds if they wanted t could have wiped the floor with them. It wasn't until their joining the Dominion did they get upgraded weaponry and shielding.
@@ileria3 Yeah, the Cardassians lagged far behind the major powers, particularly in technology and economy when compared with the Federation. If not for Federation rules and principles, the Federation could've done to the Cardassians what the Cardassians did to the Bajorans.
@@charlesw5919 So true from both of you. The Federation could have sent in their bigger more powerful ships like nebs and galaxies in the fight and made short work of them that would have saved lives on both side. Federation goody goodies drag out wars and cost more lives like we do in America.
I felt like the Federation and Romulans were first rate (and the Romulans largely isolated from the Federation for most of the 24th century). The Klingons were a bit behind (warship or not, the Vor'Cha just isn't that big), but extremely ferocious and really knew how to make the most of their ships in battle. The Cardassians were the most powerful of the regional powers, but that's all they ever were.
While torpedoes are tiny, that the only time we ever see anything like them being fired by the Cardassians is in Ensign Ro. That they always used their phasers (or disruptors or phase disruptors or spiral wave disruptors or whatever the writers decide they have that week) always suggested shortages. At least that's what my at-the-time adolescent mind had thought.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich I would argue the Cardassians weren’t even the strongest regional power. Just the most active. The Breen and the Son’a would reck the Cardassians.
The Federations complacency and indifference is maddening. If they actually recognized a war as a war few could stand against them, especially the Cardassians who I've always seen as the weakest of the major powers in that region.
The 23rd century Federation would never have played these games.
Problem is they had officers willing to pimphand the Cardassians when they needed it. Put people like Captain Jelico in charge of the war and you wouldn’t need to constantly appease an empire that is a fraction of the power of the Klingons or Romulans. There is no reason the Federation should have ceded worlds to the Cardassians or held back when putting the snakes in their place. Deploying their advanced ships in a defensive capacity instead of stooping to their technological level and only sending out ships roughly equivalent in capability and trying to play fair.
You don’t need to ravage their planets, you don’t need to terrorize their shipping, you don’t need to saturate their cities with torpedoes. You just need to kick them back into their space when they get too uppity with the best you can field.
Starfleet is more to blame for the deaths of starship crews during the Cardassian border wars than the Cardassians are. Get a spine, protect your own holdings and use diplomacy as a bargaining chip to de-escalate the situation. When they attack, tear them up - but extend an offer of humanitarian aid to quell the need for expansion due to depletion of resources. Show them you will not tolerate attempts to take your territory and harm your citizens but also show them you don’t like the conflict any more than they do and don’t like the idea of their citizens starving,
Speak softly and carry a big stick
If the federation had taken this war as a war, and sent ships in the correct quantity and quality, their losses would be close to zero.
Had the Federation taken things seriously and sent a large task force of the most modern vessels against the Cardassians during the first year of the war, the whole thing could have been over very quickly.
Sometimes a show of overwhelming force can bring about peace where shirking away from conflict cannot. It shows that the attitude towards conflict held by some in the Federation is, while admirable, not always the best way.
If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
The Federation's hammer is diplomacy. It's how they grow, and what's made them successful. They want to keep doing what's worked for them. Everyone does!
And to think all this started because the Cardassians thought a Terraforming project was actually a military installation preparing for an attack.
its really quite tragic when you say it like that.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Found new info in the ST: Badlands duology of books by the way - that Gul Evek lost two of his sons in a battle at the Rabroc Nebula, near war's end.
Even worse, it may all have been avoided, had they not hid behind the prime directive, and provided aid for that famine and disease that had made Cardassia so desperate. Desperate people cannot be reasoned with.
This documantary is brutally cool great work please do the Dominion War next i am a trekie fan i love your work
(Comment Reupload) The Cardassian Union in The Cardassian Border War can be summed up by this quote:
_"I only need a few thousand dead so that I can sit at the peace conference as a man who has fought."_
The Federation in The Cardassian Border War can be summed up by these quotes:
_"I believe it is peace for our time."_ and _"Why Die for __-Danzig-__ Dorvan?"_
like i said nail on the head.
I am an old guy, been a Star Trek fan since the late 60's, I remember having nightmares about the Gorn lol. Just want to thank you for your hard work, I enjoy these videos it takes me back to the 80's and early 90's. I watched TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise and I miss this timeline, I find your videos to be informative and enjoyable.
You narrate the history of Star Trek better than anything. I love your videos!! Keep it up. :)
Everytime I hear of Federation losses from ground combat and I say again and again. Starfleet security is woefully inadequate and they NEED to reinstate MACO.
Not just the MACO. The Federation should have had a true professional military to deal with belligerent aliens. I mean, Klingons should have been THE red flag the Federation should have taken notice. Starfleet should have remained just as a space naval force and there should have been military branches that deal with ground operations and starfighter corp ops.
I bet you a lot of Star Trek conflicts from The Four Years War to The Dominion Wars, things would have ended differently and they'd even take the Borg seriously than trying to hide with something so arrogantly dumb as the Prime Directive.
The Cardassians were a very belligerent minor power. Crush their military in the most efficient manner, find out why they want a war so badly and eliminate the heads of state and military commanders via a trial for every quadrant to see, and rebuild Cardassia via humanitarian aid that's under favorable terms where the Cardassian government has no choice but to agree. You don't even need to take territory from them or even turn it into a puppet state. Just hurt their military and economy just enough to make them realize they're not a major power. Hell, had this happened the Federation wouldn't have to deal with the Maquis. Also, Bajorans wouldn't have to suffer because the Federation would have liberated them while take over Terek Nor far earlier before the events of DS9.
@Lokabrenna The United Federation of Planets stands for peace and equality for all living beings in the galaxy. Starfleet is primarily used for peaceful space exploration, diplomacy and peacekeeping, and then comes the defense of the Federation. Starfleet can fight, it has proven that often enough, and it is just right that only intellectual beings serve in Starfleet. This is the only way to uphold and defend the principles and laws of the Federation. Starfleet Security is doing a very excellent job as MACO's successor. Starfleet Security is well-trained not only in hand-to-hand combat and shooting, but also in law enforcement, which includes criminal investigations and forensic investigations. Starfleet Security are all well-trained experts. It was not for nothing that all civilian police units on earth were disbanded and replaced by Starfleet Security. Many former police officers were integrated into Starfleet security until the police were completely disbanded on Earth in 2166.
Well we do see something like troops on agilon prime in DS9 (I think it was called Nor Battle To The Strong). It's not been mentioned one way or the other, though we do have references to troops
I like the idea that Spock and Sarek argued over the wars. Perhaps Spock was keen on a swift and overwhelming strike, forcing peace. He'd been much more keen on peace on relatively equal terms with the Klingons in 2293, but as tensions with the Klingons seemed to have been getting restless and aggressive in the 2340s, he may have become a little more disillusioned. Sarek on the other hand, ever the consumate diplomat, had wanted a containment strategy, waiting until the Cardassians lost steam. After all, the Federation had had around 40 or 50 years of peace, and Klingon relations weren't yet desperate. Spock's position wasn't very Federation, while Sarek's underestimated Cardassian resolve and propaganda.
Dam those Cardassian woman were fine tacticians one of my favorite ST races for sure.What o wana se is Cardassian MC in future ST show,s as star fleet captain or some thing : )
its interesting looking at the Roles of male/females in the different Races, cardassians especially the women dominate the sciences; obivously a reversal but it makes sense if you think cardassian males are more disposed to impulsivity and aggression. that then also adds to why you might find a greater number of women in high command since they are more disposed to analytic thinking and planning rather than action.
A solid entry into star trek history, filling out an era largely unknown in such a way that is both interesting and reasonable, laying foundations that work with what is seen in TNG. Thank you!
Great finale for the series. I really enjoyed the UFP vs. CU war history as narrated by you. For future battlespace videos I would also be interrested in Klingon/Romulan confrontations.
I see the battle of Trafalgar had some influence yet what the French couldn't do against the British the Cardassians were able to make it out of the battle alive and win a political victory against the Federation. Nicely done.
star fleet did it to them self's by holding back as always, but you do a marvelous and magnificent job!!!!
☼ youre series has given me such a new respect for the cardassians, and the federation role in their destruction. i mean once war starts *shrugs* . & that admiral isnt so bad now either. and so much irl like political bungles. gr8 stuff.
I love your use of graphical representations and maps to show where the ships and ground forces are.
All of this could have been avoided, a decade and a half of war and millions dead on Cardassia and Bajor and tens of thousands more across the frontier and in battle, if Starfleet had been willing to roll up its stupid little Man-Skirts and drop the hammer on the Cardassian military and just smack them down like the really needed to be smacked down. In fact it didn't even have to come to that, since the real driver behind all of this, behind Cardassian militancy and imperialism, was their desperation and privation, which the Federation could have done something about EASILY, if it wasn't for the bullsh*t that is the Prime Directive that sees the Federation stand back and ring its hands, watching unimaginable suffering, but saying "They have sympathy for those poor people but just Can't get involved, it wouldn't be right to intefere"
@Lore Reloaded pointed out several times that if Bajor had been taken by Starfleet, the Border Wars would have ended far sooner and the Cardassians would have been stopped fully instead of being mislead into thinking they were a 'Great Power' within the sea of superpowers that were the Federation, Klingon Empire (a declining one there) and Romulan Star Empire. The Cardassians were basically too big for their britches and when it came to full scale war with one of said powers (the Klingons) they were utterly curbstomped.
@@robertbarrows6687 The Cardassians are basically North Korea, thinking its the Yuan Dynasty and had The Federation the genuine moral will to practice what they preached, they could have stepped in decades ago and lifted the Cardassian people out of the utter privation they found themselves in. But no, The Federation decided they just couldn't interfere and so the Cardassians became militant xenophobes and Starfleet's unwillingness to smack them down, made them think they were actually holding their own, when they were actually a toddler fighting Muhammad Ali and Ali is too nice to hit back too hard.
@@weldonwin I was thinking that the Cardassians were more of the Fascist Italy or Spain instead of North Korea. They were ONCE a great power and were constantly trying to regain that status. Wouldn't surprise me if in the 22nd Century they were actually a rival to the Klingon and Romulan Star Empire at the time and the Federation was just the upstart power.
@@robertbarrows6687 Actually, they were about a hundred or so years behind the Federation when they first met. The rate at which they were catching up was impressive, but they were still consistently far behind the Federation in technology, economy and industry
@@weldonwin I have a feeling the Cardassia we saw in TNG and DS9 is a post-collapsed civilization. Considering they made first contact with the Ferengi in the 22nd Century, either a collapse happened or a crisis. Hence why it rose into a fascist state by the 24th Century.
First I’ve seen of a series making an in depth look at the fed cardasian border war. Cool stuff
In space, you would not form a line as did ships-of-the-lines did in the days of sail. You would form a plane (or a plate) or a cone facing the enemy. The line only applies in 2D and when most of your firepower is to the side. Federations ships have most of their firepower to the front and operates in 3D.
Love the video! Thanks for uploading the new one
Amazing work. Really loved it
I know the triangle is not cannon but I would love see one on the triangle and how that could or would fit in to cannon...
Had the Federation not tied their own hands and committed more in the start of the war when they had the advantage or actually put their full might after the last battle they could have won the war and probably saved themselves from an even worse war, the Dominion war, years later
Damn fine storytelling!! Please keep up the great work!
This directly relates to Hitlers flawed “Autarky” policy. Near zero exports/ imports for fear of helping agriculture societies (Slavic countries) industrializing and Western Europe losing its edge. Starvation/ lack of trade for fuel is why the war had to start in 41. Millions starved directly from stolen food from Greece to Ukraine.
yeah people talk about german Economic Recovery in the 1930s and it was quite a fashionable view even in the 60s you can see the episode 'patterns of force' holds this view. arguably this was to justify the central planning of many economies east and west postwar. but now we know it was illusory wealth built on a lie.
Ummm... WW2 started in 1939.
@@LARGO125 War with the East, the real goal was land in the East. Pretend to care about England, trick Stalin for Barbarossa to succeed (it did not).
Another amazing video! Crazy about these videos...
you really do a great job with these
I'll just watch it on TV, like I planned to in the first place 😂
The Federation expects every sentient to do their duty.
A really great video i always like these videos
Great Videos!..... Keep up the great work!....... :)
Has interstellar travel, can't do hydroponics to avoid starvation 😂
Brilliant
I think Starfleet will look back and say should have gone all out then
probably would have been a whole lot quicker.
I feel that whatever happened in the Lost Era after 2293 drove the Federation into almost absolute pacifism and non interference. That's why they looked on conflicts with the Cardassians, Tzenkethi, Tholians, Talarians and Ferengi with rather disinterest. They wanted to pretend it wasn't happening. Not surprising considering the Klingons were now their allies (and were too busy bashing up each other) and the Romulans were hiding during this time. Then the Borg came and the Federation became confused at what to do, thus trying to please the Cardassians (foolishly and stupidly, thus creating the Maquis) and practically everyone. The Dominion War was to my headcanon, the kick to the head the Federation needed that their ideology was just a little too far from what they were supposed to be. (And this is where I ignore Picard) so the new Federation leadership and Starfleet Command (with experienced and less absolute extreme pacifist political appointees) would be able to put the government in a center. yes, be pacifistic but not over the top and don't assume every species isn't going to keep their word.
@@ShannonCarter55 Funny irony when Kirk really died it all went south when no peace as long as Kirk lives dies and all goes out the window
Ahh the 20 min area was fixed good on ya
Love the stories they are brilliant
From cannon and from the episode "The Wounded", I think the conflict was more one-sided than this in the Federation's favour.....the series seemed to imply that the peace treaty with the Cardassians was due to Federation principles and NOT through military impasse....the series also seemed to imply the Cardassians wanted anything BUT another engagement with Starfleet
The sound track is much more reduced, thankfully!! Your voice and the story should be dominant, and the music should be an afterthought, not a distraction.
I think the Arabic music, and pronunciation are a perfect addition to the fact that the writer's used the Cardassian's as a stand in for Middle Eastern nations.
One with the misfortune of not having oil
“The Cardassians could now fight the Federation as equals.”
Yeah, if Starfleet chose to keep throwing 50 year old ships at them…
I wonder if the Dominion war would have taken a different trajectory if Starfleet had Engaged the Cardassians with intent. A full federation War fleet would have completely toppled Cardassia just like we saw with the Klingon's later on, but without the Dominion for them to run to.
This sounds eerily similar to the Korean War, with Cardassia as North Korea, and the frontier the 38th Parallel.
The Klingons were the Soviets, the Romulans the Chinese, and the Cardassians the North Koreans.
A Nebula class under Maxwell did a lot of damage. The Defiant was potentially able to hold off 5 top of the line Cardy ships, after destroying an outpost and a couple other on it's own when taken by Thomas Riker.
Even just before the Klingons really hurt them - the Cardys just had NO capabilities to really hurt Starfleet/The Federation more than Starfleet/The Federation hurt themselves. Setlik 3 wouldn't have happened if not for Federation interference. Commodore Nechayev was winning easily in her Operation Phoenix. Starfleet didn't commit anything other than very old classes of ships and it's "land forces" were away teams. Starfleet crippled itself with target limitations and huge avoidance.
If even a fraction more strength came from Starfleet, even a Galaxy and a couple Nebula's, they could have smacked the ego of the Cardy's and potentially stopped them from being one of the worst powers around.
But no. Starfleet "morals" led to massive loss of life, a Nazi regime being stronger and made Starfleet look weak. But hey - as long as Federation politicians slept better at night x
There should be mention of prisoner exchanges and of their experiances as well with the civilian suffering a bit more stories.
This war happened because the federation refused to accept the cardassians as a threat
Is this fanfic or Beta canon? Well, its great, thats for sure.
As always an excellent video. Sad it's over. My suggestion is to continue with the Marquis raids to the Klingon/Cardassian war.
so i've already covered the Klingon Cardassian war in the 'Battle of Sector 73 Epsilon' but yeah maybe a road to war series.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 you could go to TOS and do a biography series on the OG crew. Why'd Bones get divorced (,I know already), how'd Chekov become a bridge officer at 17 (2-4 year course for commission)? And the list goes on.
@@brianjohnson5272 true although ships are mostly my focus
@@venomgeekmedia9886 yet the number of ships while varied and numerous are limited. I've watched many of them (love Miranda's so versitile). I love watching your videos and want to keep watching them yet with the battlespaces starting to run low in base materials (the only ones you haven't done are Klingon civil war (duras vs. Gowron), the Dominion War, early Klingon/federation, early Klingon/romulan, and the battle of Maxia (smiling to see if you know what I'm talking about) admittedly the dominion war is easily an eight parter and Maxia two. I'm just tossing stuff out there to make ppl put their thinking caps on. Ty for posting back your like the only channel who responds to me AT ALL.
@@brianjohnson5272 don't worry about me running out of material. i'll tell you now that the Dominion war will certainly be bigger than 8 parts. in that because everyone is familiar with the big picture and the broad strokes i'll be free to focus on the details and i'll be covering things like the Battle of Tyra and the Seige of septimus 3 as well as more obscure stuff like the Romulan front and Hunting the Hutet.
Lots of talk about the Federation being "soft" on Cardassia, which is honestly incredibly cardassian thinking. If they had sent thousands of ships to burn cardassian worlds it would have created a vengeful refugee species, it would have shown the Federation's real enemies that they couldn't be negotiated with, it would have shown the Dominion the the Federation wasn't so different from them and perhaps they could be worked with.
Honestly baffling to me that people seemingly can't see this, the federation beliefs in every citizen being a diplomat were tested and proven right, a painful test but one that succeeded. The Cardassians came through the national nightmare that was conflict with the federation, they eventually decided to be free, to overthrow their tyrannical leaders. The federation was right not to murder them and destroy their homes and resources in the border war, they would have been slaughtering mentally people, they knew the Cardassians could be healed.
And this is why Starfleet is inadequate in protecting the united Federation of planets , Trying to be a peaceful organization with a military side . To keep peace you must be stronger than your enemies .
Oh for God's sake the Federation could have ended this war and a year-and-a-half if they really wanted to
If I would have been head of Starfleet I would have made a Fraser based on the captain Archer Fraser for the Jordans it would have been powerful enough you know to kill a powerful enough to blow something up but you know that's about it wouldn't be able to centigrate or maybe the Captain Kirk style phaser I give him a mix of both of them and all the old faces it's me power packs
Great video gotta wonder what would have happened if itd been the klingons vs the cardasians instead of starfleet with there more agressive attitude i wonder theu would have completly subjegated the cardassians
Nakamura proved his incompetence and your previous video showed Nachayev's superior tactical prowess. I come away from this with the view that if the Federation had actually pressed the Cardassian's early on, they could have won a more favorable peace and mitigated the Cardassian threat during the Dominion war. But Nakamura (and other Federation bureaucrats) couldn't get out of his/their own way.
Capt. Jellico, unsung hero of the Federation.
He does need more respect, yes. Served on the USS Memphis, spent time as Academy Commandant, took over command of the Cairo, and helped forge the treaty of the DMZ...
@@chrissonofpear1384 if the timeline matches, he got an indirect mention in First Contact as he commanded Deep space 5 in 2373.
Anyone know the music at 7:43? I hear it in so many of his videos and I can't seem to find it. It's giving me 90s CD ROM game vibes.
Dude where did you get this information? Memory Beta or are there entire novels out there on this conflict? If so I need to read them!
mostly head-cannon here...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 well it's absolutely well done. I love it immensely.
Awesome...where does this lore come from?
admittedly mostly head cannon.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 and yet better thought out than Discovery and Picard :)
@@ShannonCarter55 your too kind.
The cowardice of federation and starfleet leadership is incredible
why are some of the faces blurred out? you get some kind of complaint?
Unfortunately yes, there was no other way to resolve it.
Why not orbital battery, my dude? Only on military sites? I know, UFP and all, but military sites?
Can you do the battle of narendra 3?
maybe but there's already a very old animation by videospaceFX which does it justice. but i am thinking about the Kithomer massacre
Damn. I am very disappointed in Admiral Nakamura. He had every opportunity and wasted. He had every tactical and technology advantage...
Did Federation really value the lives of their Colonists and Starfleet Personnel so cheaply. No wonder the Treaty pissed off so many.
What's worse is that Nechayev was never held accountable for her actions in the Internment Scandal and was at it again over Dorvan 5. She learned nothing.
I'm curious what happened at 14:33. CZcams seems so complicated with rights.
An unfortunate misunderstanding between me and the artist.
USS Queensland a Sydney class transport, lol.
Wouldn't surprise me if almost all Sydney class starships were named after Australian locations. Be nice to have Aussie officers :)
why did starfleet no built 200 ships and win?
So what is Starfleet do with all its old phasers you know all the phasers from the 22nd century the captain Archer Fraser what they do with Captain Kirk's top one top two phasers the Star Trek 6 movie phaser what they do with all those phasers
That whole conflict was kinda bullshit. I mean the federation could of easily defeated them.
Why the reupload?
fix the music which was too loud around the 20min mark.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I had noticed that....gave it another like and watching it again.
I would love to see a "Wings of the Federation" video series. I would love to see some in depth background videos on Ambassador, Constitution and the like.
Keep put the good work.
Hmmm. Buy cheap food, or, OR - hear me out - commit our civilization's resources to build a large fleet of starships with high upkeep costs and large crews to get blown up by superior foes while losing planets. I think we have a winner!!!
well if you have a problem with that you can speak to the obsidian order.
I thought this might wrap up with the nebula class debut, and it utterly stomping the new galors or something. Great series though, sick to death of hearing that this period was some gilded age of peace and the federation going soft, total BS.
Nebula class seemed to launch earlier than the galaxy in the 2350s, and i always figured out of necessity to deal with this cardasian war that had gotten well out of hand. The nebula would be a ship built out of full size design locked galaxy class architecture, but the technology to make the galaxy class work as designed was only partially developed, forcing the ship to be reconfigured into a much more compact, less efficient shape built out of on the shelf technology. But, it would still bring a huge increase in displacement and weapons output with its huge phaser arrays, making the now old ambassador class look like a pre-dreadnought battleship with the nebula being something like the Yamato in comparison.
Nebulas are around however as stated in a previous episode Starfleet didn't want these new ships to be seen as warships and so deliberately kept them away from the fighting. as you say in 'the wounded' its very powerful i meant to add in the epilogue that Nasat was demoted and was later among the ships destroyed by maxwell in his unsanctioned campaign.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Oh thats right, that was a something you mentioned.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I assume the Nebula launched in 2356 or 55. The Galaxy was GOING to launch in 2357, but some tv episodes imply some delay in launch. I also assume three dozen Nebulas were originally launched, in a few year period - then further of them.
I assume Nasat is your own creation, also?
Starfleet should have crushed the Cardassians.
Zhazouk (idk the spelling, your guess is as good as mine) was kind of a genius. Nakamura was... Not.
jazuk. im glad you agree. too bad she died in battle. cardassia would need great leaders like her her in the years to come...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Nah, I reckon they'll be ok after this
The federation could've handed their A$$ to them. After that they could've helped rebuild Cardassia after they were badly defeated. It might have prevented the Dominion from gaining a foothold in the Alpha Quadrant and with several decades may even maintain peace and in the next century become part of the federation. The federation could've heralded back to the Cardassians' earlier Hibetian culture as inspiration for a good society with the possibility of appealing to the Cardassian famous sense of pride and self respect in the process. The federation failed with Cardassia and possibly helped set the stage for the Dominion incursion and eventually the war. I don't like Admiral Nachayev or Captain Jellico or even Captain Maxwell. However, both Maxwell and Jellico turned out to be correct about the Cardassians building a force in the McAlester Nebula with the intention of attacking and taking Minos Korva. The Federation fought a smaller power in the quadrant while leaving them a resentful mess ready to welcome the Dominion right in the back door. It was a decision that had a fateful and fatal result. The Federation was in over their head when facing the Dominion and as we know required an alliance with both the Klingons and Romulans to even have a hope of pushing the Dominion out of the Alpha Quadrant and back to the Gamma Quadrant. It is even more ironic that the Cardassian fleet joined the Alliance fleet in the last battle against the Dominion and may have been partly decisive in forcing their surrender at Cardassia Prime.
USS Stannis. 😂
Stannis will likely get it better whenever The Winds of Winter comes out.
Nakamura was a REALLY incompetent War Admiral.
That's because he's a Starfleet admiral, who has been taught since the academy that he is an explorer and not a soldier and that Starfleet is not a military
Really? The impression I got from the video is that he was reasonably competent, but lacked the fleet assets to decisively beat the Cardassians. An issue of commitment from Starfleet command, not Nakamura’s personal inability.
@@kevinshu4883 Its in line with what we saw in Nakamura from TNG. He always was rather incompetent in canon and I have a feeling he either didn't last long in the Dominion War or had retired by that point.
@@robertbarrows6687 He was probably perfectly competent in peace time. As I said, he was a Starfleet Admiral, taught since the academy that he was an explorer and that is probably where his skills lie, in science and organization.
@@weldonwin Was he? I have a feeling most of the mistakes made during the aftermath of the Cardassian Border Wars can be thrown directly at his feet.
The Cardassian Union had no right to attack the Federation for the sake of prosperity. The Federation is more good-natured than it should be, and I believe the Federation would have helped if the Cardassians had asked. The Federation would certainly have sent Class 1 replicators with power cells and medical supplies and medication and, if necessary, even Starfleet Medical to help the population in the Cardassian Union. Possibly a condition of the federation would have been that Bajor be granted independence. The Federation is not a monster as it has always been portrayed in Cardassian and Romulan propaganda. I suppose the military central command on Cardassia was afraid of losing power if the propaganda about the Federation turned out to be all lies.
I want to hit that like button all though I like to see it at 666. Just me?
The Cardassians are the Turks/Ottomans and the Bajorans are the Kurds.
WW 1 ottomans
reupload ....
Out did yourself and that's saying a mouth full.
I would wage war as a member of section 31 and amass a fleet that would commit genocide on their people. I would give them one chance to surrender. Knowing they wouldn't take it and making them a promise if they didn't surrender then every life and every planet in the union would fall and not only fall every planet would be rendered uninhabited period. the Cardassians pride would be broken and beaten. Cardassia would be the last to fall. As section 31 orbited the planet and they begged for surrender. one message would be sent "Too late."
So if you were in charge the Cardassians would have been right to attack? I think that's what you're saying.
Luv the narration but star fleet is pissing me off. They held back and ALLOWED the cardassians to run amok!!!!!! Hell, even the diplomatic asari ( mass effect ) would've bitch slap the cardassians by now😆.
I like how you take it upon yourself to write Star Trek history. How arrogant can one get ?
i'm hardly rewriting cannon, which is something these days. more fill in the gaps. if CBS want to make something about this period great. but i doubt they will.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I doubt CBS Will Either. But until they hire you as a writer......
@@mrgcav we can dream...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 considering that I've gone from liking Discovery to being turned off by it and my optimism on Picard turning badly, your work plus Star Trek Axanar are certainly more Star Trek then whatever CBS is trying to do. At least we have Lower Decks, vulgar as the language is sometimes, but that's definitely Star Trek.
@mrgcav And who are you? Who are you? Mr. Big over here acting like some kind of tough guy, wanting to call others arrogant.
Bullshit.
Take a walk you jamook, get to stepping, twiddle along.