Slaves in Egypt: Exodus 1-2
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- Exodus 1-2. In light of my recent participation in Jordan Peterson's Exodus Seminar, I thought I would do a commentary on Exodus for those who are looking for more content on the subject. For the conversation, make sure to head to Daily Wire. www.dailywire.com/show/exodus
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"My own Exodus series". A rebel, I like it!
Thank you Jonathan. The richness that the Holy Spirit embedded in the Scripture revealed in the patterns of reality, accrues wisdom to those who align with God and encourages our faith in Christ's finished work.
Brings me joy to see Jonathan represent Orthodoxy on the Exodus series with Peterson and others.
I am even more excited Jonathan decided to make his own videos based on Orthodoxy and church fathers. Those not in the church lack the patristic background and knowledge to interrupt and understand the scripture which came from the church.
Random Person: "Here is what his bible verse means to me."
Orthodox: "Dang... I kind of trust the church fathers more than you."
Sola scriptura! ...and _my_ interpretation of it.
Yeah better not follow christ where he goes. The whole christian edifice has become the interpretation police, as if Christ cared about that.
Generalizations based on stereotypes. The most corruption I have personally witnessed in any institution, Christian or secular, was in an Orthodox Church. Shall I practice as you preach?
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God Bless ya, brother in Christ, and I appreciate your feedback. If we are both on the search for truth in Christ, there are a few things I would love to share that I hope you take with an open mind.
If I understand correctly, you are attempting to refute my statement by pointing out a fallacy that my assertion is not true but based on stereotypes.
#1 This isn't a "stereotype" as the Orthodox Church (Matthew 16:18), inspired by the Holy Spirit, gave us the bible.
#2 In return, you're argument used stereotyping in your rebuttal after elaborating it was not a justification for truth.
#3 All institutions involving man will be corrupt. Just as some Protestants gave rise to the KKK and some Catholics are involved in sexual predation and trafficking. I love them all the same and we should remain vigilant.
#4 You used several logical fallacies
1. Anecdotal Fallacy -An argument from an anecdote is an informal logical fallacy, where anecdotal evidence is presented as an argument; without any other contributory evidence or reasoning.
2. Hasty Generalization - is a claim based on a few examples rather than substantial proof.
3. Straw Man -argument attacks a different subject rather than the topic being discussed.
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matt 16:18)
God Bless us all and have mercy on us and save us.
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If we flee from every corrupt institution, we're on our own. Discern, fight, pray.
Jonathan, I am thrilled to learn you will be joining the crew for Peterson’s Exodus series. I love the energy and wisdom you bring to conversations with people of differing world views, and I can’t wait to watch! Your confidence in tradition and faith is desperately needed in this dark, cynical age. Your work has been hugely meaningful to me. Thank you. 🙏
Totally agree, very excited!
I cannot wait for your full interpretation of this book! Thank you so much!
Right. I thought we was just stopping by cuzzo? Why you gotta ditch me like that?🤣
Brilliant interpretations, I am seeing things never before seen. Lovely stuff.
Thank you so much for doing this without charge. I thank you for all your knowledge and work from the bottom of my heart
This is so good. Exploring the pattern of Joseph versus Moses, the theme of the foreign wife, and the fulfillment of all in Christ. So good.
Jonathan, I am pleased to see you are involved in this discussion. At the same time I pray that you remain under the counsel of your priest and bishop regarding how this vastly greater exposure might move you in unhealthy directions.
What a blessing to watch your content Jonathan!
Oh that description of the whole going to the well pattern makes the samaritan woman at the well story from the gospel of John hit a lot harder!
I’m very glad to see you doing this! Especially since it’s not behind a paywall ;)
Let’s Gooooo!
The first two episodes of Peterson's Exodus series are truly excellent. Highly recommended.
This is really really sophisticated, it explains a lot.
This video is based
On the word of God
This concept of concentration and reduction is so important, so we remember when there is almost nothing left, there is much ahead.
10:13
Centralizing power,
once power is centralized, if it forgets you,
that power will have a will of it's own.
In other words, highly centralized power, does not even respect those who act to centralize the power in the first place.
Wow thank you Jonathan for good teaching may God bless you work
Thank you for this, shone light on some answers to questions I've had for a while, which I didn't know I had :)
Needless to say I ended up walking home that fateful Sabbath Halloween party. It was the wee hours of the morning too-some undisclosed location of LA. When I got home my cousin was fast asleep in his bed after ditching me😎
@@the2ndcoming135 "when i got home my COUSIN was fast asleep in his bed after DITCHING ME" WHAT
Thanks for this, really. The timing of this is no accident for me personally. I'm reading Exodus again (for the 4th or 5th time) and I prayed for more understanding. Thank you Thank you!
@Jonathan Pageau THANKS for sharing, really excited about this series and hearing your thoughts
Hello Mr. Pageau I am grateful for the opportunity to watch the Exodus series on the DailyWire as I have been exposed to a multitude of great minds. I’m only 22 years old and became distant from Christianity for a while, but your viewpoints have been eye opening for me. Thank you for sharing your beliefs openly and confidently! I look forward to learning more via your CZcams channel as well as the second half of the Exodus series!
Fantastic! I’m excited to watch the entire Exodus series. I hope there will more like this to come.
I love you content and engaging with these profound ideas - I am also so grateful that your videos are not constantly interrupted by commercials- thank you, double thank you, infinite gratitude!
Good stuff as always! Can't wait for part 2!
This is really helpful for me. I want to study the bible after years away from the tradition. (Found Jordan Peterson then faith etc.)
Please continue this series
I greatly appreciate your pictorial symbolic interpretation in Exodus with JP. Gigant intellectuals is excellent but your contribution and knowledge as also creative creator is the sprinkle on the cake !
Thank you for the content, Jonathan. I really enjoy it. Just wanted to mention that the audio is pretty low in this video, it is a little hard to hear. Otherwise, awesome stuff!
This
42:00 every moment for Jesus was like this
Repeating patterns, indeed. May we pay attention. Personally, as I advance in age, I see this reduction and distillation of life into more simplicity. We continue to leave our service to the present culture, and become more focused on living our lives in service to the Lord. The is happening rather organically, but also, as is necessary, with intention. Thanks for shining light and clearing my perspective.
Thank you for your incredible teaching! I learned so much from you. Thank you.
Really beautiful. Thank you
Looking forward to more of this
This was/is awesomely DEEP! Thank you!
Your voice is really quiet here. I’m a construction worker and love to listen to your videos while I work. Thanks for all you do.
I was able to watch the first two episodes of the DailyWire Exodus seminar and 10 mins in I wished it was solely Pageau and Peterson having the discussion. The other guests are far too in grained in materialism to perceive the deeper message of the Torah and the whole Bible. Jonathan was polite enough not to interject at every moment and guide the conversation toward more fruitful discussion because it wasn't his place, being that Peterson is the host. Glad to see Jonathon at the right hand of JBP though.
Not only are the guests staunch materialist but also nit picky historians forgetting the Bible isn't a history book, but rather, as Pageau reminds us, an expression and condensed roadmap of the many possibilities of reality, ultimately leading to X mark the spot, the risen Christ.
Super glad you are doing these Exodus talks on your own. Peterson's talks will be interesting come 2023, but the will certainly be addressing topics not necessarily helpful in understanding the messages within Bible. Thank you Jonathan!
This is going to be fantastic!
45:00 take me back to paradise city where the grass is green and the eve was pretty
29:56 killing the outer aspects = beginning of an ascetic movement
40:39 reduction into one = remnant / becomes the seed for the next age; Noah, Moses, Christ; concentrate / possibilities reduce to one: makes your new future
Thank you for all you do.
“When they get to the promised land there’s only two people left.”🤣🤣🤣🤣
thank you for this video
This is quite mind blowing. The symbology is strong here. I never noticed before the reducing to potential, drowning of boys, one boy being drawn out of water, out of potential.
Thank you Jonathan ;)
The insights seem so obvious I wonder why I've never seen the stories these way
Indeed. “Hidden” in plain sight
The way you break this down, I see parallels between story and today. Symbolism happens.
i am fascinated by the fractal aspect of Scripture that you and Mattieu reveal and dig into. My thinking is that it is a part of the path to the ultimate purpose of our lives: Identity. (of God, of humanity, of a people, of our identity redeemed and defined in Christ) Fractal patterns all are part of defining someone's identity, which eventually leads to the question of "to what end?" , to what meaning and to what purpose. When we know our identity in relation to God the struggle of life is at least lessened, if not eliminated ( peace in/with God) A life-long search and struggle, for sure.
The question Exodus always leaves me with is, "How could Moses free his people, without all the death?"
Most revolutions look just like Exodus. Needless loss on both sides to get to a foregone conclusion.
I wonder if there is a biblical story that answers it
Can you make audio a bit louder, please!
Jonathan you definitely got to check out the Hebrew, it sheds light on so much more meaning.
You are presuming of course he hasn’t engaged many discussions with his brother who knows the Hebrew language well
@@gregorymoats4007 you’re right. Nevertheless it’s still very important to read it in the original to see all of the details in the words.
Merci Jonathan, tu m'as énormément aidé à développer ma pensé sur plusieurs points. Notamment sur une vision plus symbolique et en terme de patterns vis à vis de la religion. Toi pis ton frère vous êtes tombé pile au bons moments quand mon système of the self (construct aware) ma apporté inévitablement à une forme de religion. Lorsque jai vu beaucoup de similarité entre les grandes lignes et patterns que je voyais et ceux de la religion (principalement chrétienne). Tu es rapidement devenu mon penseur favori haha, et pour cela merci.
Dang it. Now I gotta get a Daily Wire membership 🥴
JBP didn't quite convince me but Pageau might
I refuse to give money to that vile supremacist Shapiro.
@@joer9156 I’m struggling with it but I am curious about what Pageau says in response to the other guests.
@@tourist1313 I haven't seen it but you can bet that Jonathan does a lot of listening. He always says just enough to leave me wanting more, or tempted to search and pray more myself........he never says too much, unlike me.
(((Daily wire)))
Awesome!
It is interesting indeed that Jesus's father's name is also Joseph so in his case both Joseph's go towards Egypt too.
9:28 this is still very present in judaism, things that will be difficult to "digest" for many people... many rabbis hold the view that the jewish holocaust was the "tribute" to get the land in modern israel ("holocaust" greek meaning an offering to be "all-burned"). there is also the symbolism of the "6" over israel, even with the "6 pointed start"... I've heard rabbis explain that "theres is ONLY one jewish symbol the menorah" which has 7 candles, and "7" is the number that represent "divine perfection" (example genesis 2:2 "God rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made" , Revelation 1:20 "The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches”) on the other hand the "6" represents creation and humanity ("6 is the day of creation" Genesis 1:31) BUT creation is "fallen"...
Yes! Had the same narrowing of possibilities due to addiction that led me to one door outside a treatment centre. Then that one seed has changed my life entirely.
I was reminded of Jesus calming the waters when thinking of Moses in the basket. Then I got stuck on the servant pulling Moses out of the water. Does this tie in to Jesus being the servant of the father?
Yes, Jesus Christ Claims us as His Own, Saving us from drowning. In the waters of Baptism, we are Adopted by the Father and thus truly becoming Brothers and Sisters, through His Blood, not that of our Mothers as in Judaism, or Fathers, as Islam.
Reading into Christian pacifism and finding that the Orthodox are not "unconditional" in their pacifism. I'm interested to see what you do with whether the people of God can do violence (God does most of the "violence" in exodus, so can his people?). I'd value your thoughts on this.
God damn, I fucking love you man, these are awesome!
When are you coming to miami? Please do a meet a greet 🙏🏻
When you were discussing the Pharaoh's daughter saving the last man, and the associated mystery of the light being reduced to one man (saved by someone so close to the one reducing it to this to begin with), it brought to mind this very strange video of Christopher Hitchens (the prominent 'anti-theist'). Despite his anti-theism he claims that if he completely convinced everyone to give up religion, and there was one religious person left, he would leave them to believe. And he had no idea why. Thought it seemed related in some way. Heres the video: czcams.com/video/E9TMwfkDwIY/video.html
Interesting. The part about water, wells, women and marriage made me think about Jesus and the Samaritan women. How might that relate?
Would this explain the reduction of the evolutionary times ending up with Adam and Eve being the last of the reduction with Eve being brought from the side of Adam like Christ’s water from his side ?
Interesting that you referred to the seed as "possibility".
That makes it sound feminine while I thought of it as masculine.
Maybe it's somehow both or depends on though which frame you're looking at it.
Can’t wait to watch this whole thing, I love it. 12 min in so far and have a question though, I kind of feel like Joseph’s hand in “subjugating his own people” is kind of an illusion. This world is a tyrant, it either comes in the form of nature (a plague) or through “centralized power.” Joseph’s people were already subjugated to nature. Their fate in this world was subjugation regardless, weren’t Joseph’s decisions therefore (as obviously directed by God) a temporary alleviation of the tyranny? I’m not sure I see his dark side here, subjugated himself, on a mission from God, to save his people from the tyranny of nature. Whether worldly power is centralized and comes from one point, or decentralized and comes from many points, there is no path Joseph can take that doesn’t end in subjugation, and therefore his hand in anything but their temporary alleviation is just an illusion.
Good question. It may be that Joseph not only saved his family, but also ingratiated himself with Pharaoh by unjustly trading food to starving Egyptians for their property. Pharaoh became wealthy, therefore more than just a leader and royal person.....he got it all..........I'm not 100% sure of this but that seemed like a steep price for charity.
Don’t try to defend Joseph. He was responsible for a lot
I'm wondering if this narative of Moses can give us some insight into the snake narrative in Genesis 3.
A parallel between Adam and Pharaoh,
Eve and the daughter of Pharaoh,
Snake and Moses.
I'm thinking back to Matthieu's talk with Peterson suggesting there may have been some sort of error or imposition regarding Adam and his naming of the snake. Perhaps there is a parallel here. Thoughts anyone?
BTW
I would like to propose we trade Greg Hurwitz for Matthieu Pageau for the Exodus round table part II.
13:09 Then Pharaoh gave his order to the people, “every Hebrew boy that is born you must throw into the Nile.”
I wonder who’s playing the Pharaoh figure giving this order today
Volume is slightly muffled, please make it louder next time.
So glad you were on the panel (!) as well as Oz, Larry, Dennis and others. Surprised, actually, at the quality of the panel as usually such things are watered down for "balance." BTW, I thought of you when I saw this: czcams.com/video/p9G3Km24mMo/video.html
Jer 32:36 "Now therefore, thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, concerning this city of which you say, 'It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence:
If you understand then apply this to today then you have to realize this isn't just a battle between left or right or taxes it's authoritarianism and centralized bureaucracy vs freedom and de centralized power and freedom of ideas and thought. It's a repetition of the same pattern you can't unsee it
Which translation of the Bible are you using?
Another issue is that the Pharaoh wanting to kill only the males means instability since only the already born males will exist that means the women would have to marry into Polygamy with the older few males available in order to survive. That would mean a lot of competition and lack of loyalty among women having to share resources with the other women for themselves and their children.
Mr Pagea, I would love to speak with you. I Pray to God that you reach out to me.
Do you think there is a connection with Jesus and the woman at the well?
I am listening to Westminster Abby's brilliant priest. Somehow it switch to you. Your level of speech was equal to the priest. I didn't know it was the priest talking.
Anglican. Heretic church.
The seed of one possibility makes the singularity idea floating around the tech circles, make more narrative sense. Not everyone relates to JP the way he presents himself. Don't forget we come here to see Jonathan and not Jordan!
naa........"both-and"
That's a sitcom. "JP and JP in Miami."
Luk 15:14 But when he had spent all, there arose a severe famine in that land, and he began to be in want.
I'd love to see you talk to a Rabbi
Interesting, I thought the last few days anyway that you have to be terribly careful about what you carry into the world.
Not just because of the centralization of power, but whatever. I’m more attached to everything that has to do with emotions, subjective feeling or whatever you might call it.
Because of the axioms that shape our worldview, I have a question.
Although I can think of something, here in Germany the view is held that the Church in particular burned herbalists or old wise women as witches because they stood in their way, and I wonder if this view is also widespread in other countries.
What is believed in America and so on?
Can someone tell me?
Reducing to pure potential is what sons of Jacob did to the tribe of Hamor the Hivite. Improper union = flood.
I just don’t think Joseph was the cause of Egypt’s centralizing of power.
first thing is Egypt had been even before the time of Abraham a nation where power was centralized in the king for better or worse. the pharaoh always had owned the product of all the fields in Egypt so you cant say this was from Joseph. And i think your stretching the text to say this. All he did was reform how to ration grain. so I don’t even see that in the narrative itself.
also i think the kings who do not remember Joseph are a completely different dynasty, a different regime, having its own administration, so even if Joseph did set up some kind of centralized administration in Egypt. it would have been replaced by the new regime with a new administration.
Note
One possibilities that you can take it will be new beginning.
The power that you centralize might forget you
The midwives lie to the phaoroh
Finding a wife potential that has a good space from you.
Pharohs daughter is like external knowledge, technology it will help you if it is being negotiated well
You have your own identity, the mediator between the two. To gatjer wisdom
42:00 is this the origin of the phrase “turn over a new leaf 🍁” to till under the old dead and let the most viable new be reborn even if it’s not the same? 😮 I never thought of the turning over imagery as tillage before but that would make a lot of sense.
Isn't it funny that the daily wire only does old testament stuff... I wonder why that is?
Can you do a video on the symbolism of zyzz? Sad story, but inspiring, could get lots of views??
Classic case of a tragic hero in vein of 19th century romanticism
Funny how no one likes to talk about how the Hyksos enslaved the Egyptians...
15:24 I see you're going to try to make this about modern feminism. I think it's simply a matter of the child being considered a member of the father's people.
The faith is passed through the mothers line so that doesn’t track.
@@tourist1313 Faith may but I'm talking about tribal/national identity.
The difference between feminists and Hebrew midwives is that the feminists would have killed the Hebrew baby boys before the Pharaoh even asked.
I’m always interested in seeing these breakdowns but I can’t help but wonder how the modern American religious institutions would be helped by a certain poetic license displayed here, because unfortunately a lot of this attitude seems heretical to the way I was raised.
The Bible has a literal piece of history, while unfortunately not very believable, does a little better in resisting the idea that the state of one’s eternal soul is completely dependent on their ability to interpret literature. Which is fucking insane. I shouldn’t have to have a phd in theology to interpret Gods will, to be damned or saved. Yet here, while we get a very enriching discussion about the intricacies of the Bible, I shouldn’t have to be punished by those religious institutions for not being able to understand these works, when the analysis of these works was nothing compared to what we see here.
So I find myself at a strange impasse, where I enjoy your breakdown, but it actually serves to move me away from the general hope of putting me more in step with those institutions. I can certainly appreciate the Bible as an interpretation of the sacred, but that I would need to wait until I’m almost 30 to see anyone be able to breakdown these books doesn’t not help me feel like God spoke clearly or powerfully in the Bible if it takes us this long to even extract some wisdom from it.
It feels like having one’s cake and eating it too, but with eternal damnation and sin instead.
You don’t have to understand any of it to be saved . God judged you on what you know. Go do good things and love God and you’ll be saved especially if you’re Catholic
Have room for an artist? It's all I have going for me (I'd say I'm just being silly but unfortunately its true)
Your audio is very low. I care barely hear you.
Isaiah 47:10((N.L.T.))🗿
No, Moses was not the product of incest. That's a notion Americans strangely cling to while all sorts of abominations are shrugged at.
Jonathan is French Canadian.
And what's the text evidence?
@@ericlammerman2777 I only ever hear such a complaint from Americans, for example during the last two seasons of Game of Thrones.
What do you mean by "text evidence"?
Hype
"Hitler was an organizational genius." Jordan Peterson
Being highly organised is a narrow asset.
i woke up in the pharos tomb eddy lost his wife basheet takin as a slave in egypt god is watching everything i see is downloaded the new movies about jeseus its happening all over the world i fight for freedom i ve been a slave since i was 5 in a prison unknown to this world freedom for me one day im an angel a messanger of god a prisoner of war just trying to help i was actually castrated by jeseus hes with me i was skinned alive by a jew and branded with a swastika on my forehead god now weres that same brand he has the same tattoo as me on his left arm jesus also having the same tattoo
I have always enjoyed your podcasts with other like minded Christians as you seem to hold firm to the doctrine of the Orthodox Church and the teachings of the Church fathers.
I'm very perplexed why you are devoting so much of your precious time with Jordan Peterson and others who seem to be paving the way for global religious unification. Participating with ecumenist and those against the Traditions of the Church and Holy Fathers is a rocky road and sending a mixed message. Revelations 3:16 should make us fear this situation.
I apologize for any disrespect but keeping it simple was best. As Christ said "Come and see" ...those searching for the Truth will search and find you.
God needs you and your brother to draw more souls into His small flock. Your prayers, iconography and podcasts are what people need now.
It has been thoroughly disappointing to see the New Calendar Orthodox Church remain in the ecumenist movement for so many decades and participate in the preparations for the Antichrist. It has become clear that the Holy Tradition of the Church Calendar was torn apart by ecumenists in 1924 and the NCC to continue to participate with this movement is a grave shame.
May God armour you and your brother with wisdom and courage during this final battle🙏
Kyrie Eleison 🙏
I feel like I'm losing my mind. Does anyone else see themselves in the bible? This might sound crazy but I think I may be an echo of Prophet Daniel. Dare I say a reincarnated Daniel even. Any advice?
We are all susceptible to illusions. As long as you are an Orthodox Christian don't worry.
The reason it resonates is because it tells the meta story of all of our lives.
Hmm, the story sounds like the black American story...hmm
Interesting. What do you make of the european peoples becoming minorities in their own homelands?
o like kanye