Christian man says humanists are debauched. Andrew Copson explains what Humanism is really all about
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- In a segment from The Big Questions in January 2015, a Christian named Taiwo Adewuyi says that Humanism is a 'first-class ticket to a sea of wantonness and deabauchery' and generally 'demonic.' Andrew Copson of the British Humanist Association calmly responds, and succinctly explains Humanism, a widely shared perspective which affirms that the best way to know what's really true is through evidence and the scientific method, and that a focus on human wellbeing should be at the centre of your moral outlook.
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It's so fucking depressing that there are still people like this in 2015.
tons and tons of them worldwide. Yes, it's depressing :/
They get told these lies from the pulpit. What do you expect?
*****
The irony is their 'book of morals' is so immoral it's mind blowing. The bible is full of slavery, genocide, rape, incest, and murder. It's completely fucking vapid of morality or guidance.
santanalz
"NOT MY BIBLE!" - Every Christian who's never actually read it.
santanalz The worst thing is not that the bible is an immoral piece of shit as far as literature goes - it's the amount of brain gymnastics people are willing to do in order to keep thinking that the book is actually valid even though it's BLATANTLY not.
I love how those people openly laughed because it sounds like a joke. Here in the US those beliefs are widespread in some areas and disagreeing with them, let alone laughing, is met with swift anger.
Poor you, at least in Europe we have moved beyond taking these people seriously, or with accepting religion as being a justification for bigotry and hatred.
Yes it was quite refreshing to see people simply laughing at nonsense being spewed. Much like people would laugh at someone who claimed they had Bigfoot over for dinner. That would still not happen here in the US, he would of been met with polite silence at worst.
Stacy Noland We can agree on that, Europe has indeed been over indulgent of Muslim extremism.
And if there really was a god, Iain M Banks would still be with us. God I miss picking up his latest book, eagerly anticipating what wonders lay inside.
I've always wondered how a modern society can have so many people believing in bronze-age fairy tales. Even more amazing to me is how people who claim to love the example of JC can actually choose to assault others. It's very much against the message of love and tolerance. If you look at the stories in that collection of books we call "The bible", JC would, translated to a modern day US setting, gather his 12 apostles from among atheists, pedophiles, prostitutes and drug addicts. Because they are so reviled.
Henrik Hedberg I think it has to do with Authority. When being told by a outside source that you must not be violent the person becomes suppressed and the responsibility becomes diffused, the thought process changes greatly when it's their choice to act violently or peacefully without a intrusive 3rd actor.
I think they have that question backwards: should religions have the same rights as humanists.
Brin Jenkins you don’t have rights. Only temporary privileges.
Spot on my friend...
Absolutely right. In the US religious institutions get rights that no other organizations get.
@Billy Boffin Who is to say he is inflammable,
Of course, what the fuck? Why would you have special reasons based on which non-existing skydaddy you prefer?
I'm Humanist. I'm so glad that I live in a country where I can say that on social media without fear of imprisonment, flogging or death.
@@baddog6003 Which religion is irrelevant. Christianity is just as hateful and dangerous to everyone who breaks their rules, which by the way, are mostly the exact same rules. The difference is that long ago we stripped Christianity of the power to rule. We must, however always fight to keep it from taking back power, or it will be the same as Islam.
R'amen to that :-)
Lee Chetwynd And yet when theism rules life (whether that be Medieval Christian Europe, or fundamentalist Islamic Middle East), free thought is not allowed because apparently god is only interested in thought control and policing people’s bedrooms. Even today, there are still 13 countries that have the death penalty for atheism. And before Christians suggest that they would never to that - the death penalty for atheism was a very real thing prior to the 19th century.
@@kkgauthier True and mere Christianity, as C.S. Lewis would deem it, has nothing to do with hate or danger. While it is true that some people have done wrong in the name of Christianity or even in the name of God; this in no way destroys the meaning of true Christianity, nor does it destroy God! Much more could be said about the religion of atheism, which poisons and destroys everything, including the person who holds to that lie! Christianity itself does not rule - God does; and He does so with righteousness, holiness, sovereignty, purity and love. However, I would add that any thought, power, ideology or philosophy when misinterpreted or acted upon with wrong or flawed intentions will always be dangerous.
@@WienArtist There is so much wrong with your statements, it's hard to know where to start. First, atheism is not a religion, but merely a lack of belief in gods. Anyone who doesn't follow a god is an atheist. period. There's nothing more to it. Then there's the fact that Christianity is founded on hate and danger. While Christians like to go about saying that Jesus saved us from our sins and gave us eternal life through his sacrifice, the "us" only applies to a very tiny portion of humanity (144,000 according to most Christian scholars, which is a grain of sand on the beach of human population). According to scripture, Jesus was tortured over the weekend to a momentary death so that the select few who deemed him alone their way to god would live forever in heaven, while the rest would suffer eternal torture(not just a weekend followed by bliss). Of course, the most important role of the Jesus figure is to bring about an apocalypse wiping out all civilizations so that the few chosen true followers can rule over whatever is left of the world. This is the actual foundation of the entire religion. It is the ultimate us v them construct where all who are not just like us are not only conquered by us, but brutally punished forever for not conforming. Anyone who says otherwise is reading into scripture what is simply not there. I say this while looking through my well worn bible. You see, atheists usually know far more about religion than the religious, because we don't read at it, over, around and into it. We just read it. All of it. Even the uncomfortable bits, and it all holds equal weight for us. The belief that people like you are superior and more deserving of good and joy than people like "them", who are deserving of pain and suffering for not being like you is the essence of hate and a clear danger to all who are not like you. It is also the founding principle of Judaic religions.
We had a humanist funeral service for my grandmother. She wasn't religious at all and we wanted the day to be all about celebrating her life and her relationship with us. The only mention of religion was when the gentleman leading the service asked for a moment of quiet contemplation and explained how this time could certainly be used for personal prayer if people wished to. I remember thinking at the time that was a really nice touch for those who would take comfort in thoughts like that.
As we were putting down flowers after the service a woman(not even a close friend of my grandmother) approached us and complained about the lack of Christian readings and how she didn't like it. I was taken aback but gently replied that neither my Nan or the family were religious, that we wanted to talk about her, but the woman cut me off and continued to object to talk about Jesus. Mum had to quickly change the subject and put her arm around me before I lost it and told the stupid woman to bugger off.
I can't even imagine myself attending a religious funeral service for a Christian/Muslim/Hindu/etc and, afterwards, approaching the close family to tell them how silly I thought all this religious stuff was. I don't think that lady would have acted like she did at the funeral of someone from a different religion, either. Perhaps she wouldn't have if she'd known more about humanism/atheism, which is one reason why I think it would be useful to teach children about it alongside religion in school.
(And yes, I know she wasn't representative of most religious people in the UK, before anyone assumes I was implying that, though I have definitely come across religious people who assume that the lives of the nonreligious must be sad, empty, and devoid of meaning :/, another reason to include humanism in RE classes.)
I honestly don't know if I would have enough self control to not punch that stupid woman in the face.
I agree that Humanism should be taught in all schools and other educational institutions alongside RE/S (Religious Education/Studies)
I would have loved your nan like my own.❤️
They're not happy unless they're shoving their unproven beliefs in everybody's faces. We're fortunate they're not allowed to burn non-believers at the stake anymore.
I have been to two humanist funerals (my father and one of my closest friends) and found them to be a refreshing change from any religion based ceremony as they were a celebration of the person who had died rather than just another religious sacrament. I am now convinced that
when my time comes that it is the way to go.
Andrew Copson does a great job in this video of explaining what Humanism really means after being told it is 'demonic' and 'a first-class ticket to a sea of wantonness and debauchery' on live TV!
Indeed
this arsehole who describes humaists as 'wanton and debauched' would no doubt expect us non-believers to respect HIS religious views, when clearly he has no respect for us.
I was about to say the same thing
I love how he pointed out that he had the simple respect to listen to the Christian values and mockery of his point of view, but the Christian could not sit and show the same level of respect.
Uh, excuse me, but Pol Pot. Checkmate, Humanists.
The very fact that a person can arbitrarily describe a group of people who don’t share his opinions as demonic and debauched shows a level of ignorance and conceit against which it is pointless to argue. To take the view that a religion in some way defines morality is disingenuous.
RHS 68
Well thank you for that nugget of wisdom.
I think perhaps the fact that I have directed my criticism to one person who has publicly made a rather sweeping, insulting and frankly inaccurate generalisation about a group of people is fair.
But hey, if you want to believe otherwise, go right ahead. You have every right to be wrong.
@@brendanpmaclean welcome to religious whataboutism, where hypocritical theists parade their bigotry whenever they want but when you object you're called intolerant.
AndyBeans
Thanks chap. Sadly many theists are blind to hypocrisy, but that’s ok, it makes it easier to spot the decent ones.
Can you imagine how quickly Christian community would piss their pants and collectively beat their chest if they're described as evil or the bible described as draconic, full of massacre sympathiser talking point and regarded as condoning slavery?
Where did RHS 68 go?
Religion, whenever there's something it doesn't like or cannot explain: *D E M O N S*
I love how calmly and conclusively he executed the guy without even raising his voice. Way to lead by example my dude.
When did he do that?
@@jaredstevens5382 Were you actually listening ? He respected the nutter’s Christianity although it was way more fundamental than Christianity as practised by most British clergy, who understand that taking the Bible literally leads them into all sorts of antisocial and inhuman or inhumane traps, and even though the nutter insulted Humanism with totally unfounded sexual innuendo. And I don’t apologise for calling him a nutter, with him in charge socially it would be more evil than the Taliban or Pol Pot.
@@michaelawford7325 your moral postering is hilarious
@@jaredstevens5382 Just trying to answer your ignorant question, obviously I’ve failed.
The "Holier than thou" guy who claimed debauchery was also leading by example. ;)
A wonderful example of a polite and reasoned person (the Humanist) addressing a narrow-minded and illogical bigot (the Christian). I am proud to be a Humanist.
Jordan Peterson is also a bigot?
So you're proud of being nothing.
@@paulevans8348 You really are replying to a comment that was posted three years ago by a guy proud to be who he is and saying its nothing, after the video he comments on is a humanist calmly explaining his world view while a religious person being rude and dismissive to him. Well, do what you will but you certainly have a lot of free time it seems.
"God created marriage." Do I even have to go through the process of listing all the regions of the world that had (and in some cases still have) non-Christian marriages?
Marriage is so sacred that king Solomon had hundreds of wives and concubines. He was piously just following his god directions..... LOL.
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Yeah and david was an adulterer; the point is that people are flawed but can nevertheless be godly in matters of importance. Are you against forgiveness or something because everyone on earth makes mistakes.
JustSomeDamnGinger Technically the Bible condones having multiple wives. So why don’t we just make it all form of marriages legal One man and one man, two men one woman, five men three woman. Wouldn’t that be great, I’m not advocating it I just think it’s funny that Christians don’t even accept their own Bible
Wait. No one got married before this god came along?
There is no difference of people seperating if they are married or not. It doesn't add anything extra. I have seen many Christians devorce just as secular people. What does make a couple a succes? Love and respect. Not some stupid ring.
I only started using the term Humanist to describe myself after hearing this man's brilliant definition.
Well, I'm glad to know that I have a first-class ticket to hell. I'd hate to travel in the luggage compartment.
Business class ain't got nothing on First class seating.
@Allington Marakan Disagree with the language, but utterly agree with the sentiments expressed
@bikerd72 I thought the language was spot on.
You need some sun screen for this because it's gonna be fuckn hot as hell
@@barkYdarkATFB Au contraire, nits have more wit than those clowns.
"....did you just say 'Pol Pot'?"
I laughed.
Pol pot was an atheist therefore a humanist.
@@iamservant8016 Flawless logic as always from the religious spokesperson.
@@dnw009 lol where does humanist ethics derive from?
@@iamservant8016 humanity. The clue is in the name.
@@iamservant8016 A humanist is an Atheist. But an Atheist doesn't have to be a humanist. A humanist doesn't kill for any kind of bad reason, heck i think alot of humanists are even pacifists!!!. Being Humanist is a set of values on top of atheism. Understand?
I feel sort of sorry for Taiwo. People are laughing at stuff he appears to truly believe, which must be painful to the guy.
...But then, if his beliefs weren't absolutely batshit, it'd probably happen less often.
And on calls for freedom of speech - well, yes, but that also applies to the freedom to ridicule said beliefs.
Props to Andrew Copson for, as ever, taking it in good humour and treating the issue with seriousness and dignity. :)
squ34ky2 Well it is generally considered bad form to mock the afflicted ;)
So's afflicting the mocked....oh, wait, maybe not. The whole point of mocking is to instill distress in their sense of misguidedness, gently forcing them to see the truth, however distressing, so in mocking it actually gives a headstart.
Well said...
@@SophieIsTheBest100 Really, did you not hear how insulting he was?
The Black man might be put there by the showrunners.
Once again, it's somewhat refreshing, if still depressing, to see that the U.S. doesn't have a monopoly on wholesale stupidity.
Yes, but it's less likely that if a religious person said something equally ridiculous in parts of America a large portion of the audience would laugh so openly.
@@garyconyers-davies5781 fully depends on where you are in the country.
It's bulk-buy here, if not completely wholesale 😉
@@visionlandmusic
//It has been said that when human beings stop believing in God they believe in nothing.//
I've never heard that particular ridiculous fallacy, but from what the daft Christian said in the video I'm sure some people are stupid enough to think like that.
Why is believing in other things (love, respect, honesty, integrity, equality) worse than believing in any God?
@@visionlandmusic you're quoting a clergyman on not believing in God? Do you quote radical Imams when they say Christianity is evil?
The fact is that irrational beliefs lead to further irrationality, which is why so many deconverting Christians start following new age spirituality if they haven't been skeptical about their faith. It's religious folk realising that Christianity is false, but not having a skeptical enough outlook to identify religion as a whole as the problem, who continue to believe in other irrational things. Those who turn to skeptical humanism by definition believe in less irrational things.
This poor Christian guy isn't the sharpest tool in the shed...
Really? He sounds quite coherent and well-educated by anybody's standards. However, his name and attitudes suggest that he has been inculcated from birth with the US-style evangelical religion that dominates the Christian half of Yoruba society in Nigeria, and it is this that has closed his mind to alternate points of view. So don't make out that he is unintelligent, since I doubt you would be able to better him in a face-to-face argument. Pick a better target. The obscene wealth of the leaders of these churches is a reasonable starting point.
I speak as a lifelong atheist who has lived and worked among his people for over twenty years.
He is a deluded prick, sorry for the term, but that what he is, what proof doe's he have of any God? Deluded fable believers , morons
@@sethoflagos2880 Well, we will have to agree to disagree regarding this arrogant ignoramus, the very fact that his mind is closed to reality speaks for itself.
I have also come across many of his kind over the years and find them utterly intolerable...
@@sethoflagos2880 If one is 'open to alternate points of view' than one doesn't have faith.
@@UncleKennysPlace ... and many without faith are similarly blinkered :-) The debate was about tolerating a diversity of beliefs within a community. It seems that we cannot.
“Religion poisons everything.” -Christopher Hitchens
And yet, everyone has one. I know atheists will say they don't but they do worship something. There's something they always put first. Humans murder, not religions. True Christianty preaches against violence and provides a solution to every problem a human will ever face. The problem is many who claim to be, are only wolves in sheep's clothing.
@@samuelbishop3316 Putting something first is equal to worshiping it? Christianity provides a solution to every problem? No wonder you're religious, you have some incredibly faulty logic. What you have done here is a mind numbingly stupid and common thing religious people do, which is to just redefine the meaning of words to fit your arguments. Btw how is Christianity solving the the current pandemic?
@@MrDoodlewatson I refer to loyalties not merely your defintion of worship. Some people worship money, others themselves, others again, believe in their families are the be all and end all, some the state, some sex. All are idols when put in the wrong place. It's not faulty logic, people often place these things at the center of thier lives above other things. Follow these things rather than any concept of God. How is Christianity solving the current pandemic you ask? Every true follower I know stands at peace, is fully provided for, and not at all concerned about the future, whilst others ripped each other apart over toilet paper we sat unafraid. We place our faith in an immovable God, whilst everyone else places thier faith in the super market to provide what they need, watching the shelves go empty as the places they out thier hope fail one at a time. God helps people who come to him, but if you refuse to let him in he will not force himself on you, and that usually includes solutions.
As for my faith. It comes because I was healed by God of my health problems, addiction. Because my heart was made whole also, and because the history and science when properly looked at assumption free line up reasonably well with Jesus. I trusted him and in a moment he changed my world. I say what I say, because I am desperate for people to know what I know, to be saved and free and because my God wants everyone to be also. Not from all problems, but to have the great problem solver of sin and death through Jesus.
I hope this highlighted how I think. God bless you friend.
coming from someone who poisoned himself with alcohol and cocaine, that doesn´t mean much.
@@larsdols3157 I don't know much about his cocaine use but obviously he was a big drinker and smoker. None of that makes any difference to the validity of his points he so articulately made though. He unashamedly did the things he enjoyed in life regardless of ignorant prudes like yourself and he also had more intelligence in his little finger than you could ever hope to muster.
Favourite part:
"did you just say Pol Pot?"
His face was priceless due to the stupidity of that comment.
Who?😅🤣He was bloody angry, just for a second.
I didn't know that I'm humanist till few weeks ago. I didn't know that humanism exist.
+Nayden Spirdonov Thats why the big religions want to drown us out.People give themselves a religious label without knowing any alternatives or investigation their own beliefs
+Nayden Spirdonov its a great way to focus around humans.
but most people wouldn't think so much over it and that just fine.
But atleast what they enabled nonreligious marriage etc is quite nice.
You don't need to call yourself a humanist as you aren't stuck as one (be what ever you want) to a degree.
As it would be another way of saying "I am a human that is not religious"
As I was meaning to say you don't need to be a part of anything so long you can be who you are with your own identity.
Ditto.
Great, another video I'd love to share on Facebook but can't because of the predictable backlash from my religious 'friends'.
Share it anyway. ;)
"Share and be dammed" :)
People who take life too seriously are only good to be offended, I see no other use for them
Haha, time to get new friends.
They obviously aren't good friends then... I post anti-religious stuff quite often and I rarely get lashed at. Though I did establish I'm not for Christianity dying off, just getting rid of the discrimination and those who exploit it for their own gains like Politicians and businessmen.
The biblical record is *not* historical . . . ffs!!!!
I'd like to see something like this in North America . . . sans the American-reality TV bullshit. A copy of this exact format would be a great thing.
rictus gate It really would.
Instead, we have cowards like Bill O'Reilly who wont even let you answer.
***** Ah, but the one and only thing all sects of Christianity seem to agree upon is their right to ignore the parts of the bible and history that disagree with their views.
rictus gate Sigh... we don't get quality TV in the US. This would be way out of our league. But it would be pretty cool if we did.
The Biblical record *IS* historical.
The laughter at the Christian makes me wish I lived in England. That's the response ideas like his deserve.
You can always get a job and move over here! It's not so difficult. I used to live in the Midwest, but I've now lived more of my life in England than the States. I have the added advantage of having family over here, but I've moved to other countries where I don't have any connections, and it really isn't as difficult as you'd think. Americans are always baffled as to why I don't want to move back to the US...one of the reasons is because of stuff like this. I'm now a member of the Central London Atheists, London Skeptics in the Pub, Humanists UK, and several other secular, skeptic, and humanist groups.
I don't understand the legal background to this story.
Here in Australia marriage is a legal institution, and anybody can become a legally approved marriage celebrant - with or without religion.
So when these people talk about allowing humanists to conduct weddings this would be totally redundant in the Australian situation where they are permitted already.
You're ahead of England (I do mean England, not the UK), where we like things to be complicated, furtive and hypocritical. Here, we have civil weddings at the town hall by the local registrar. You can have a 'religious' wedding at a church, or at a licensed venue by a licensed celebrant. Lots of religions are recognised legally to provide celebrants, including Scientologists, Spiritualists, & the Aetherius Society (which believes in aliens and that the Earth is a goddess). But not humanists. In December the government blocked recognition of humanist marriage:
humanism.org.uk/2014/12/14/number-10-intervenes-block-humanist-marriages/
In 2005-ish, England introduced Civil Partnerships, rather than marriage, for same-sex couples, because the churches opposed gay marriage. Same-sex marriage was recognised in March 2014. But straight couples can't make a civil partnership, which some would like to do.
In Scotland they're saner and it's probably much like Oz.
I hope I've got that right, it's all totally ridiculous.
Oh yes, and you can live together all your lives and not inherit your dead partner's pensions or property; which is what drove me & my missus into it, over our dead principles.
@SigmaTauri2 I approve of that way of dealing with the problem.
"When we look at the Bible..."
Me (groaning): "Oh no, that again..."
Yes, when we look at the Bible, really look and study what the Bible really indicates...
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Richard Gary Butler yep, mass murder, raping virgins, pillaging others, slavery, and the list goes on
@@Frankya92 Have you ever read a history book, a narrative of events of countries, peoples, cultures, governments, etc.? Did the telling of these events cause you to concur that such events were condoned or approved - all of them? This is what all the naysayers of Biblical text fail to understand. The old testament is a compendium of events, a narrative of things that occurred during those times. When such things that you find detestable are narrated, do you really believe that God condones, commands and commends such things like rape, torture, murder, child sacrifices to false gods/idols, etc.? If that is how you read the Bible, you have failed to understand the content and context.
@Urrcreavesh What you OBVIOUSLY do not get is that just because it is written in the biblical narrative that somehow God condones and approves of those things you claim.
Here is a question for you, although I am sure you won't get it right: Is it wrong for God to judge the evil of a person or a nation? If you answer, "No", you are totally wrong. If you answer, "Yes", than how is it that when atheists claim that God deals with evil, you get upset, especially when you claim that God allows evil to exist? How is it that when He deals with evil people that somehow you get upset? Hmmm. You cannot have your cake and eat it too!
And what you think is slavery in the Bible is not synonymous with our concept of slavery. You cannot use current definitions to define ancient concepts - they are not the same thing.
You can certainly believe what you wish, but you can certainly be wrong to, which you are in this case, and most likely in all the cases you attempt to disprove God's existence.
And even if God was an evil task master, one who really did approve, condone and command such things (which He does not), that still does nothing to support your claim that God does not exist.
It is quite clear that you have no idea of the nature and characteristics of God. But as I said, go ahead and believe what you wish. That does not get rid of God. You might try to push Him out of your mind, but you cannot push Him out of existence. These arguments are stale and already debunked. There are no new or valid (not even close) arguments to rid God of His existence. So don't bother wasting my time or yours by trying to bring up another argument. There are none that disproves God's existence.
@Urrcreavesh
A little test for you:
1.There are things in the Bible that I do not understand [T] or [F]
2.If I do not understand Biblical context, God does not exist [T] or [F]
3.God must explain what He does [T] or [F]
4.God always has valid reasons for what He does [T] or [F]
5.If I do not agree with what God does, He therefore does not exist [T] or [F]
6.God does not exist because there is evil in the world [T] or [F]
7.God can commit evil acts [T] or [F]
8.God owes me an explanation to what I do not understand [T] or [F]
9.God must answer according to my wishes or He does not exist [T] or [F]
10.My opinions about God means that He does not exist [T] or [F]
11.God has not given me any reasons to believe He exists [T] or [F]
12.Evolution proves that God does not exist [T] or [F]
13.God needs my approval to exist [T] or [F]
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FYI in Australia "By 2017, 78% of marriages were performed by civil celebrants (completely non-religious affiliated)."
Humanism is the position of evil because Bible. Notice that I don't have the mental capacity to supplement my position with any additional coherent arguments.
OMGitsMoose - You just nailed it! :)
Excidium :)
well done, sir. Well done.
No, you have the wisdom to understand why you need Christ. Otherwise, you would understand that when the bible is raised as an argument, others must stand down.
No offence intended but It’s a bit disappointing and sad to see the Humanist Society cynically using this edited (Gotcha) clip on CZcams in order to stereotype and paint all religious people in a bad light, creating a platform for misunderstanding, ignorance and intolerance. There are just as many examples of militant atheists and discussions being edited and used in (Gotcha) moments in order to paint all atheists in a negative light which is just as harmful and intellectually dishonest. It just appeals to our confirmation biases, is divisive and does not represent a balanced viewpoint or encourage a healthy multicultural society. According to Einstein “there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics and comes from the same source” (Einstein). Obviously it’s important to highlight and teach awareness of extremism and bigotry. However, history clearly demonstrates that there has been clever propaganda and extremism on both sides of the political and religious spectrum. This is why in a free society it’s so important to have a balanced approach, respecting and promoting cultural diversity including religious and non religious diversity instead of just sharing extreme examples that cynically causes intolerance and harm indirectly.
Humanism shouldn’t really be a word…….it’s just being normal.
Dear Mr. Adewuyi: Demons are to Humanism as elves are to Christianity.
can we just agree that marriage is not religious. At least it didn't start that way.
Marriage was all about politics. Throughout the ages it's been romanticized and now represents love and companionship.
quinny b
And big Bucks!
At the beginning, the most interesting part for me was where he said the govt. had dropped the idea of humanist weddings "despite the fact that most people are in favour of it"
Great work there guys, not only conducting a poll to gauge public opinion, but then completely ignoring it.
Democracy?
The govt didn't do the poll
Thank you, Andrew, for remaining reasonable and polite in the company of a man who has clearly lost his head, metaphorically speaking.
Oh, it's not lost.....It's right there up his ass.
@Jordan Powell l agree and it's because of the privileged position we put religion on, making people reluctant to criticize religious ideas which are espoused as Truth by believers just because.. religion.. when the espoused Truths are patently bollocks. He can ascert his god exists as much as he wants but till he provides compelling evidence of his existence (or god stops hiding and actually turns up himself) then I will dismiss his unfounded ascertion and laughing at his backwards thinking is a good start 🤣
Background snickering warranted.
"Pol Pot" OMG. WTF? Nurse! He's out of bed again!!!
This is why freedom of speech is so important. It's how we distinguish the people who've stopped taking their brain pills.
I haven't listened to this video yet but I assume he brought up Pol Pot. My question is why do you think he's wrong? How do you justify saying he is if a humanist viewpoint is basically we make up our own morals.
@@samuelbishop3316 Umm, maybe actually
look into Humanism? There's quote a lot
more to it than just, "we make up our own morals".
@@marktaylor7162 I know there is. But I am isolating one point for discussion. Feel free to argue it. My question and the ideas behind it.
@@samuelbishop3316 I'm not inclined to argue it because it's a straw man. There is a moral framework and principles considered to be fundamental in Humanism. Your question seems to imply that Humanists can adopt any arbitrary morals they see fit, which isn't the case.
The same book that promotes slavery, misogyny, racism and homophobia us supposed to be the font of all morality.
Is that something you heard form your crummy teacher or did you read it yourself?
@@CJFCarlsson no, I read the Bible, and I discovered, in the words of Randolph Churchill (son of Sir Winston), that God was a bit of a shit. There is no basis for morality in the Bible.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Some respect for listening to Randolph Churchill. Less for not being able to differentiate between what God says and the bible narrates.
@@CJFCarlsson the book that is the divine word of God? Good. Thanks for confirming that it is just a book.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 Do you have any reading comprehension at all? (I do understand that you got there by just ill-will but that proves my point just as well)
Never again will I associate a British accent with intelligence
It is generally not a good idea to associate anyone's appearance with their intelligence.
TheOutsidersLiberty wat
Do you mean English accent ? A British accent includes . Northern Ireland , Scotland, Wales and England where there are many different accents.
It is much easier to judge intelligenc by the "quality of the content" and not just the accent - because if you didn't do that the Americans wouldn't stand a chance !!
Tamsin Mc Cormick Thank you, but I don't consider people who speak with Irish and Scottish accents to be speaking english at all.
Tamsin Mc Cormick And what is an English accent? Scouse? Geordie? Mancunian? Yorkshire? Cockney? Received Pronunciation?
I revisited this video and what struck me was different to my previous focus on the first interviewee. How is it that in the 21st century, we are actually having a discussion about whether one group should have the same rights as another? We could turn it around and ask, why should religious groups be given special treatment?
"having a discussion about whether one group should have the same rights as another?" Rights? How is this about rights?
"We could turn it around and ask, why should religious groups be given special treatment?" Groups aren't equal to each other and some groups maintain higher levels of morality then other groups.
@@RA-ie3ss I was referring to what the presenter said at the beginning of the clip. He refers to an upcoming show which will ask should humanists be given the same rights as religions. Having already addressed the existing video in my previous comment, I was specifically addressing this point.
I was interested to read your comment that some groups maintain higher levels of morality then others. If you are referring to Nazis verses Jains, I would agree but if you are saying that all religious groups have higher moral standards than non-religious groups, I would ask you to provide evidence to support such a broad assertion and I would refer you to the genocide and atrocities committed in the name of one god or another throughout history.
@@Outspoken.Humanist Alright on your first point.
I am not saying all religious groups maintain higher levels of morality then others who are not religious. I wouldn't defend Vikings or Azteks with a blatant lie like that which would be completey ignorant. Only that Atheism in general cannot compared to the Religions we have today.
@@RA-ie3ss But that is merely your prejudice. You have no evidence to support such an assertion.
As an example, religions have always persecuted those who do not believe or those who follow a different version of the same faith and still do. By comparison, atheists may be good or bad but no-one has ever been killed in the name of atheism.
Religions justify terrible crimes by claiming things were done in the name of their God but to take a life in the name of not believing in god would make no sense.
It always comes down to individuals but from an ideological perspective, atheists are probably more moral than religious people because they cannot hide behind a god or seek to justify their behaviour..
@@Outspoken.Humanist But that is merely your prejudice." It is my claim that I am more then happy to support.
" You have no evidence to support such an assertion." You should not assume that I don't.
"As an example, religions have always persecuted those who do not believe or those who follow a different version of the same faith and still do." Atheists have persecuted quite alot of people to. Far more then Religion even based on population growth.
"By comparison, atheists may be good or bad but no-one has ever been killed in the name of atheism." The USSR led several anti-theist campaigns which resulted in 200000 priests being killed. The USSR was a atheist country following what is called "Marxist Leninist Scientific Atheism."
"Religions justify terrible crimes by claiming things were done in the name of their God but to take a life in the name of not believing in god would make no sense." Has Religions justified crimes? Yes. Is atheism therefore preferable or as good? No. Atheists are mostly a population that believes in moral relativism and moral subjectivism. When has a population like that maintained high standards of morality? Never. Having less morals allows you to justify more not less.
"It always comes down to individuals but from an ideological perspective," No we can still form a general assessment based on what the facts indicate.
"atheists are probably more moral than religious people because they cannot hide behind a god or seek to justify their behaviour.." Atheists are less moral. Religious people have better physical and mental health. Religious people are more prosocial, higher in fertility, have higher positive ethnocentrism, they are more likely to inherit and uphold their societies values, they are more protective of their country.
A civilization is a group of people tied together by common faith in invisible and abstract concepts like duty, nationality, equality, justice, honor, integrity, loyalty, etc. Chances are that if you have less or no faith in God/religion than you probably also have less faith in other fields. Either that or you have replaced God with the State or something in your psyche.
I am a Humanist. Proud and resolute.
I'm a Misanthropist and proud of it.
I like Mr. Copson's reply at about 4:19. I didn't know about Humanism before 2014. I was done with organized religion & spirituality felt disingenuous towed reality. When I learned what Humanism was I thought, "That's me!".
The black guy is insane. Hopefully he'll never breed.
Here's a miracle on itself. ..😒
@@eyeLikeCarrots I have no objection against anyone of any race or colour breeding as long as they don't spread poison and lies as this fool does.
he gets all his wisdom from the bible and i cannot recall Pol Pot being mentioned there
@@wangdangdoodie Can we just keep your racism out of this?
He's not insane; he's just showing the damage that indoctrination can have. He has never been thought to think logically, and to put aside fear and embrace logic. I too was very religious at one point; education and research me delivered me the truth of atheism, thank god. lol.
"The gods offer no rewards for intellect. There was never one yet that showed any interest in it." - Mark Twain.
@Steve - If you believe in Jesus' res-Erection & his second-Cumming ... then you low intellect religiotards will be Porn-again & be compelled to kiss his asSoul & get to smell his farts for eternity.
Great quote!
@Steve - Will be difficult at this time ... better you go to an asylum.
@Steve - Whatever you hope or think about yourself, I still cannot get you an exorcist.
@Steve - Even if we get an exorcist, I don't think that he can help you with your porn addicted delusions about Jesus.
Marriages has absolutely nothing to do with religion!
Well, if the family is the basic building block of society this is a worthwhile discussion: on what axiomatic foundation do we want our society to rest on and why? Marriage is important and you cannot separate it from people’s beliefs surrounding their identity. This includes religion.
Well, Crazy Jesse, that was my point. It is my business. It’s everyone’s business if marriage is, in fact, the most basic building block of society.
@@iknowyourerightbut4986 but it isn't. It's a vow two people make to each other and it's only the business of those two people.
Crazy Jesse You don’t know anything about me. Kindly refrain from implying that you do (it would be terrible if you were unfairly tarred as bigoted)
David Holm you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I disagree and will not be silenced by you.
A big thumbs up for Andrew Copson who explains the definition of humanism.
There’s none so deaf as those that won’t hear. It seems the religious don’t think this applies to them too.
A point to make! Here in Scotland you can have a Common Law marriage as long as two people live in a relationship, it is recognised! Should this not only apply here in Scotland but throughout the UK. It's civilised ! No need for religious browbeaten attitudes!
Taiwo Adewuyi is easy to make fun of, but only because he articulates rather eloquently the opinion of many fundamentalist Christians. He should get props for showing so clearly why fundamentalism is abhorrent.
@Steve We'll just have to agree to disagree, then.
dear humanists of UK, is there anyway I can talk a large amount of you to move to the united states. specifically the bible belt please. we need you
I don't know how to reply. He's got everyone on his side. Everyone's agreeing with him and laughing at me. What can I say that's a 100% home run that will win this argument for me? Oh! I know!
"POL POT"
Nailed it.
The well known humanist Pol Pot? Who's cellar was this man brought up in?
As a Christian who is open-minded, I think it's time to revisit how the religion is being practiced.
Many people refer to a closed mindset as being Christlike.
Too bad sooooooo many people are anti-human and pro-divine dear leader . . .
Welcome to courage, my friend. Leave those others behind with their fear of self discovery and actualization.
@@KH4444444444N you have given a great and wholesome answer.
I'm a humanist.
Benson Saavedra What a useful comment lol
What a useless comment, stating the obvious.
nash984954 lmao
That's the default position. Nobody is born religious.
@@stevenvanhulle7242 well that is atheism you're talking about. I was born an atheist but came to realise that I shared humanist ways of thinking, morality and values.
I love the camera work. My hearty commendation goes to the camera and editor who captured the eyes of astonishment at some of these theistical remarks, a few frames of pictures worthy of a thousand words -- well, at least a hundred ---.!
Marriage predates Christianity by a very long time so that Christian is talking absolute nonsense.
That happens when you base your beliefs and opinions on an iron age fairy tale.
Christians by definition speak only nonsense
@@IllustriousCrocoduck so does your sign of chaos mate, don't be so eager to run Christianity down, if your so eager to say that then start running another religion down instead
@@eldergod4809 lol I have no problems calling chaos variously nonsense, sci-fi and fantasy. Too bad christians can't be as honest.
I'm not sure why you would want me to start another religion as that is the opposite of what I said.
What? A christian spouting hatred? How rare!
Stuart Menzies Farrant really? Can you find an example of a single prominent humanist ever making such a sweeping statement?
I’m not holding my breath, but even if you could, how would another person making judgmental sweeping generalizations without foundation make this guy ok?
If you ever found a humanist doing that, I’d condemn them for it on the spot, strange you choose to defend the prejudice here.
So well said Andrew Copson!
Great post! I'd like to see the rest of that.
You can see the full clip if you search "the big questions, should humanists be allowed to marry". Its about 16 minutes long
Douglas Murray & Najid Mawaz's faces:
"Oh, this WILL be fun."
Humanism is just another word for reality. It simply means not seeing any need to apologize for being human,
and to be quite happy to live the life I do have, and not wish it away on some celestial three card trick.
@Steve I will grant you that. Constant crimes & constant wars are an ugly part of reality, but not the whole sum of reality. Reality is about violence & death, but it's also about peace & life. That's why constant empathy, constant compassion, & constant reasoning are also a part of reality. To keep the killing, violence, ignorance, and suffering in check.
Ever notice how after a natural disaster, people pray for the victims? But have you ever seen a god actually helping those people? No, neither have I. In fact I've never witnessed anything remotely supernatural swooping in and easing their suffering. What I have witnessed is rescuers & volunteers easing their suffering. People helping people. People actually doing something instead of standing on the sidelines aiming low by "praying" for a god's help that could've prevented the disaster from happening in the first place, but, you know, ....didn't.
Also if not for atheists, skeptics, & humanists,… Christians would still be burning witches at the stake and torturing folks at the inquisition. If not held in check by humanity and the morality of humanity which does show compassion to others. If religion was unchecked there would still be many violent acts conducted by the followers of this god. Of course, in other countries where it's forbidden to even question god, atrocities & barbarism in the names of gods are still conducted. Fortunately, in the USA this god situation is questioned & challenged daily. Without challenge and education non-believers would still be beheaded each day at noon.
People get hurt or killed everyday, either intentionally or accidentally by other people. Or by the natural world that surrounds them. As human beings it's our responsibility to make the best of reality, not except the worst of it. To replant, rebuild, & renew. To educate each other to be better than what we are, constantly. . And dealing with reality on those terms, that are based on truth, and the best conclusions we can make based on the best evidence available is a demonstrably better way to live. Having your internal worldview more consistent with reality is ALWAYS the key in everyday life. Because we're talking about decision making and if I'm going to make decisions that affect what I do in reality, then if my internal review of reality is more consistent with actual reality, the better. And the more divergent my internal view is from reality, the worse.
Oh I do know what reality is. It's the ONLY place where you can get a decent meal.
:)
Cheers.
This was fun to watch. When the Christian guy was insulting the humanists the humanists sounded like someone was tickling them. I believe if the situation was reversed the Christian side wouldn't have found any of it funny. Let keep our quirky sense of humor, shall we!
I love the laughter that comes after every line that guy says!
"When we look at the bible"
- a Religious apologist go to phrase when trying to explain anything.
When we look at creation… it testifies of the Creator. Yes, we have the Bible, it’s superb (and that is even an understatement). Creation also testifies.
Bible: permits slavery
Humanism: doesn't
I think that's it, then.
In one sense that's true. But oftentimes we put our own western detentions to words without understanding what they meant centuries or thousands of years ago. The word Faith is a good example. People seem to define it as blind, and yet this is not what the bible teaches.
@@samuelbishop3316 Biblical slavery means owning a person, including the right to beat them to within an inch of their life, including the means by which to pass them unto your children as property, and the means by which to keep them forever.
@@samuelbishop3316 Come on dude, i hope you didn't learn that Dishonesty from bible too. Did you even read bible? 🤣
It's nice that they could reuse that 70's game show set.
If the xtian was so secure in his beliefs, why did he feel the need to keep interrupting the humanist guy? The humanist dude waited his turn without interrupting him…
It makes me roll my eyes every time certain Christians, they know who they are, bring up Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin. They do this without having any understanding of who these men were and what drove them to do what they did. Instead, they paint everyone who happens to be an atheist and/or humanist in the same shade. Here's a fact. Many, if not most, humanists and atheists do not hold to the same ideologies as these men did and would not sacrifice the lives of any number of people to satisfy their goals.
Christopher Hitchens the notable atheist support the Iraq war where thousands of innocent men, women & children died. So stop trying to make excuses for the wicked attitude of these so-called atheists. Plus if God doesn’t exist as you all like to clam ? What’s the alternative? 。🤔
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Christopher Hitchens would have had a field day with this guy.
How did that Christian keep a straight face while spouting his drivel?
When adults try to base their view of the world and their morality on fairy tales, this is what we get. He should have stuck to The Three Little Pigs, an excellent tale about justice, courage and resourcefulness.
@@agitprop1984 Existentialist humanism
From the U.S. here, love the channel and the ideas....
Concerning Humanism and being a humanist. I am one of those humanist that has a great deal of respect for the individuals right to a personal belief system, until that believer somehow believes that his moral standards are law! You can chose to believe in ANY religious identity up to the point of using that as a basis of how you treat others!!!!
Please enjoy your belief, just keep it to yourself!!!!
wow....I bet the producers were laughing themselves silly when they found the nut job at the beginning, no doubt it pushed up the audience figures.
Brilliantly handled by Andrew Copson.
“Range of opinions” ok, so where are the other million types of crazies? The fact that marriage is being mandated to be done as a religious ritual is absolutely ridiculous in a “secular” society
Well said the Humanist, very eloquent.
The religious guy sounds like he's out of his fucking mind! He's hilarious!
What kind of shitty question is that: "should humanists have equal rights to religions" ?.... Since WHEN religious people have MORE rights that non religious people?
Unfortunately. that is exactly what happens all around the world. Take, for instance, marriage that doesn't exist between one man and one woman. Anything outside of that is wrong and in an unfortunate large part of the world banned. Despite the fact that the proclivity of sexual attraction has NOTHING to do with gender - genetic or otherwise. Religious power has been highly sought after and used throughout history to hold power over others and make laws that exclude and not permit certain actions or unions.
"We have drawn our inspiration directly from life, not from heaven"
Ataturk.
Why did it take 5 years for me to see this wonderful video? I guess I have been a humanist all this time without knowing it. Calmly and reasonably refuting that poor deluded Christian man is the way to go. Thanks for a great, eye-opening video.
It's taken me 7 years. I got here from following Professor Alice Roberts videos, even though she'd not in this one...
Just watched this on 2020-5-27 and I have to say that the "religious" person made a fool of himself. everyone was polite and let him speak but when the Humanist tried to speak he kept interrupting him, but of course he did because he thinks that people of religion are the only ones to have the right to an opinion.
Round of applause to Andrew for managing to remain calm, collected and polite. I would've struggled not to punch that guy in the face
The quick pause, and then "Did you just say 'Pol Pot'?"
Id like to see more of this episode!
This guy is a great example of the pride and smug arrogance people project when they think they are the highest authority and smartest person in the room.
The thing about humanism is, it tries to knock imagination off the throne.
Imagination is Picasso drawing a cubist painting. Religion is denigrating yourself to a sheep that is being led to slaughter. :-)
@@schmetterling4477 Apologetics is attempting to explain the impossible in terms of the improbable.
@@havenbastion But without imagination. Most of religion is like bookkeeping for the Mafia.
One question for the Christian: when you get sick, are going to a medical doctor, like reasonable humanists, or to an exorcist, like your religious forbears?
Should your healer have years of science-based training & experience, or be "powerful in faith?"
I pray to Jesus Christ, never trust a quack.
After being inside the world of Christianity for years and years, I was amazed to discover that Christians actually did not invent the idea of marriage. Mind blowing!
Makes me wonder what he thinks people did before Christianity was invented, or if he thinks non-Christians never get married. He seems to think that anyone who isn't Christian worships the devil. Which is funny because most non-Christians don't believe there is a devil.
"Book that has stood the test of time"; really?! .....really?!
Well then, Harry Potter seems to be selling plenty too.
Lets see where it is in another 1000 years, I suspect it will still be the worlds best seller.
Fiction sells.
@@BagofDreams it's full of violence,incest , spurious tales!
Ethnic cleansing! God told the Hebrews to slaughter!
Eve spoke to a snake! Wonders never cease!
Elijah dies goes to heaven in a fiery chariot!
I could go on! Yet we swear an oath in a Court on this accumulation of fantasies !! It's unbelievable!
@@georgejob7544 it’s absolutely mental. I think there was a moment during the Jordan Peterson vs Sam Harris debate where they kind of agree that maybe stupid people need religion.
Pol Pot was an atheist, but not a humanist. Not even close.
Taiwo Adewuyi is the perfect example of everything that is wrong with religion. We can live in hope that he goes to meet his maker sooner than later
+David Davis Wishing death is a tad extreme, I hope he realises his religion is bullshit sooner than later.
Where's a Hitchslap when you need one?
Freedom of speech: the right to make a total fool of yourself in public, and also other people having the right to tell you what you just did to your face.
Mr Adewuyi if you want to know the cause when people say they have a disrespect for Christianity, LOOK IN A MIRROR
What an absurd man Taiwo Adeuyi is.
What makes him as you say "absurd" let's hear it.
@Lucy Splendid so you have no evidence lucy.you wrote an entire paragraph and literally said nothing.he was talking about the roots of humanism and how it's directly opposed to the judeo christian God.the roots of humanism are pagan and satanic in nature and that's what he was talking about.
@Lucy Splendid what do you have against religion Lucy????
@@iamservant8016 a lot of the catholic church has pagan roots
It was used to brainwash the pagans into believing
Different festivals etc
I suppose you are lucky enough to be born into the right religion?
Control is what all religion is about especially the religions with roots on the middle east
@@kinga8876 are you saying that choosing to celebrate a christian event during a pagan holiday in order to stop them from engaging in promiscuous, immoral debauchery and carnage is a bad thing?
Constantine decides to make christianity the main religion and abolishes all of the other pagan religions. People don't just convert overnight. That was the environment that christianity found themselves in. Mind you quite alot of people had converted to christianity by this time anyway. The celebration of jesus birth on the 25th does not affect the christian doctrine one bit. It was purely created to help pagan romans engage in ethical moral behaviour.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT CHRISTIANITY WAS WRONG FOR THAT OR THAT SOMEHOW IT MEANS THAT IT HAS PAGAN ROOTS?
To promote religion over anything else is prejudiced in itself.
was someone shouting "it's Ched Evans" at the end? hahah
How odd. I just looked up a dictionary definition of what a Humanist is:
"noun.
a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity."
And there are people that have objections to others with THIS point of view to be allowed equal rights?
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!?!
Welcome to the human race
lowdownshakinchill
I like to think we're a species that takes pride in it's intellect and ingenuity, that recognizes flaws and strives to overcome them...
And then I see freaks like this and I'm ashamed to be human.
Glad people laughed at him - because he doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
In a civilized world humanity should be able to educate itself out of the need for religion altogether rendering the question moot.
If you had told me debauchery was on offer I would have joined Humanists UK sooner than I did ;-)
And what were the reasons given for dropping the humanist weddings laws?
Here's a link to our news item which goes over what happened: humanism.org.uk/2014/12/14/number-10-intervenes-block-humanist-marriages/
it's all about control. Some in the government feel they won't hold sway over people who don't follow a set of beliefs if they are given more freedoms. However, millennials seem to not be endorsing any religion at a surprisingly high number. So religion itself seems to be slowly fading away.
It's a shame, but it's not like religious weddings are forced on people getting married in England, all marriages carried out by registrars are secular, and they won't even allow religious music or readings in the ceremonies. Humanism is not a religion so there's nothing stopping people having humanist readings or whatever, right?
It's interesting that a religion like Christianity has forgotten the lessons of Jesus, whom I believe absolutely existed but has since been used as a tool for control. His teachings are that of peace, love, respect and acceptance (not tolerance, which it is often confused with). So why then do Christians so adamantly criticize others for trying to live their lives by this philosophy. It's an interesting discussion no doubt.
I would consider myself a humanist but hadn't really thought about it until now, thanks for the upload BHA.
We were glad to share it!
Ian Dixon it's great that you associate with humanism, but I'd think you do free thinkers a disservice if you believe that jesus was a real person. Yes the bible did have good stories(along with merry tales of slavery, misogyny, torture, etc); but stories nonetheless written by people about 2000 years ago and re-drafted several times till about the 15th century by when it was rendered "palatable" to the masses.
The evidence for jesus to be a real person is really scarce, however there does seem to be evidence about the existence of mohammed and, possibly, buddha. Nonetheless, all religion is poison and, at best, outmoded. Good luck to humanists and atheists(me) in trying to fashion a more sensible world!
St.godless While I appreciate your sentiment, I also believe that free thinking is just that, freedom to think what you like based on evidence. I believe Jesus existed, which does no one a disservice, its merely what I believe. There are gospels in existence that supports the existence of Jesus without naming him as the son of God. I'm by no means an advocate of organised religion as it is poisonous from its very foundations, but you also cannot discount the comfort it gives to people, whether God really exists or not. As you say, its the freedom to think whatever you like without persecution, like it or not, that includes people who follow their respective religions.
+Ian Dixon "It's interesting that a religion like Christianity has forgotten the lessons of Jesus"
I'm pretty sure there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of christians who effectively shackle their partner in an abusive relationship in a similar fashion to "love me or I'll torture you".
"whom I believe absolutely existed"
Based on what? Tradition?
"His teachings are that of peace, love, respect and acceptance (not tolerance, which it is often confused with)."
Matthew 10:34 and Luke 14:26. Not peaceful and not loving. Also, we're talking about the same character who under an earlier guise was responsible for multiple acts of murder and genocide (one of which was global), countless acts of rape, the condoning of slavery, and an enormous act of post-natal abortion. Would you worship Hitler today had he survived the war and started wearing sandals and a bath robe?
"So why then do Christians so adamantly criticize others for trying to live their lives by this philosophy. It's an interesting discussion no doubt."
A great many of them live their lives according to a book, the contents of which were composed in much less civilised times. It's a reflection of the barbarism of that part of the world in those times. It's the largest indictment against the idea that we were 'created' by the fairy in the book and not vice versa.
"I would consider myself a humanist but hadn't really thought about it until now, thanks for the upload BHA."
This is good. A great many people who still hold on to the label of 'christian' live as secular humanists without even realising it. The mere fact that people cherrypick the book shows us that it isn't the source of morality, and that secular morality is in fact superior to the iron age nonsense of that the book promotes. More people need to understand this so they can recognise the mind forged manacle that religion is, and then break the chain that tethers them to the cosmic tyrant they've been convinced is real.
***** oh look, a fairy worshipper claiming they've had 'revealed knowledge'. you know fuck all, pal, and the same applies to every other christian on earth, living and dead. you call us foolish, and yet you're the one who swallowed unsupported horse shit and asked for seconds.
I watch this to make me laugh in lock down 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
The christian guy seems to miss the fact that the Bible has only been around for between 2,000 (Christianity) and 3,000(Jewish) years and humans have been around 200,000 years or more. Humans lived, loved, joined with partners and had families long before people came up with the Christian religion.
You think using facts and common sense would work with religious people?