FYI, your 6.0 battery is a fake. The real packaging is plastic bead welded all around the package, “everything fits” isn’t on the real package, the top of the battery is going to be missing the power indicator markings, and the screws are not security hex but instead regular hex. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad battery, it’s just not from Milwaukee.
Rattling guns really need the extra power i thought i would never use the 4.0Ah that came with the FIWF12. After i had to take apart a flywheel on a bigger engine i found out 4.0Ah was stronger than the 2.0Ah when i was thinking the only difference would be the duration of the battery oh well i was wrong. Both batteries were fully charged btw. Thanks for the testing.
Thanks for the comparison at the end. I have an m12 set like this and I have a dewalt impact xr with the 3 speed selection but it was from right before the atomic era. I was about to buy these m12 batteries but now seeing that new atomic, I may take some more time to reconsider
I carry a surge with a cp3.0 on my hip all day every day. That is where it makes sense. Also I carry more into skyscraper with one trip with the M12 than I could with the m18 on tools I might need. Better to have it and be a bit slow than a 20 plus minute trip to get to the van
I have some M12 tools - not for drills, impact drivers, and impact wrenches though. I have some of the ratchets, the 3" polisher, and so forth, and I use the compact batteries on those tools. I have 18V tools for pretty much every tool that is available in both battery formats.
@JoeZasada the m12 line is the most powerful of the 12v lines but, not the smallest. If you were a tech 12v make sense if your in construction and just want something smaller. Have an 18v available for high power but looking for a 12 for better size weight and feel dewalt is the way to go
Dude I have been saying the same exact thing about the M12 tools vs the compact 20V with powerstack. To me it's worth the extra 5oz for the 850. I did a test comparing the 1.7Ah powerstack in the DCD900 vs Gen3 M12 Hammer Drill with 4.0Ah drilling 3/4" holes in pine. The powerstack did 97 and the M12 did 75. The difference in amp draw between 12V and 18/20V is huge making them hard to compare by Ah for capacity. That said I do love my M12 tools too and you're right on the money with the 2.5Ah being the way to go! In fairness to the larger batteries, for a guy that only wants to carry M12 to a jobsite like a plumber, having the option of bigger batteries can add flexibility I suppose.
Yup exactly! Tired of these channels skewing... everyone instantly says" why didn't you use the 6 its stronger" .. I don't want to. I'm not going to use it in the field why would I show you an expectation that won't be met 🤔
I mean that's fine, but the problem is I already have a bunch of M12 tools lol - I started buying them back when I was still moving around from apartment to apartment. I got a bunch of them on sale, in kits that came with XC6.0 and CP3.0 batteries, and also got a bunch for significant discounts from Facebook marketplace. I also have a few mechanics tools (ratchets, right angle impact, inflator) in M12 as well. Now I'm in a house and it would be nice to have powerstack... but man I'm just doing home improvement, a bit of electrical and some home remodeling here and there in general - would suck to replace everything
No, in the M12, due to dimensional restrictions, the cells are the same size. The High Output cells do allow 25 amp draw instead of 20 amp. The cells are likely better in some other way as well. It’s not as stark a difference in the M18 HO line.
Apples and oranges. Sure, if you are looking for the most power, go with the 18V/20V system. It can deliver almost twice the current as a 12V system. But if you are comparing the two 12V battery options, that is a different question.
Can you give us links and information about the bits that you used to remove the battery casing and the nut drivers that you used to put the bolts into the log. Thanks good info👍👍👍🎃
i disagree. The 4 and 6Ah Balance the M12 way better out in your Hand than the smaller batterys. I only use them if i don't need Speed 3 what is most unlikley 1 in 10 cases
Exactly. I use the 2.5 and 3.0 batteries in my M12 tools (including a heated vest, sweatshirt, and jacket). When I need more power than my surge impact I have a Dewalt dcf850 with 2 power stack batteries.
Broski, "you don't get it" because you're mixing two different platforms. The 12V runs quick and nimble and has the option to run harder with the bigger battery. The DeWalt cant get any smaller than what you have there. Personal i run both on the job site each has there own tasks.. i also run the Surge because it's powerful enough and much more quiet.. TRUMP 2024..! Make 2x4's affordable again.. 👍
The Milwaukee is definitely stronger and the batteries last longer than the dewalts. None of the “20V” dewalts batteries are truly 20V. You may get 20V on the initial pull of the trigger but after that it drops down to 17-18 at best then drops just drops down from there as the battery dies.
The new 5.0ah batteries make the impact driver and drill tip over too easily due to the tapered edges on the bottom. I’ll be sticking with the 6.0ah because of this issue, was installing ductwork yesterday and my M12 Surge hit the ground running from 12 feet above because she tipped over
You talk to those use them every day for years they will tell you under heavy use, dewalt crap out around 2 years no doubt dewalt has a better grip on the other hand the 6.0 m12 using samsung 30Q turn bad very quick this is why they stop making them the new 5.0 uses Samsung 25T has a higher 25Amp discharge rate will see how well they put up those 4.0 m12 has Samsung 20R and they are like a tank
@toolsandtactics sorry for bugging with all the questions today. But I need a new m12 impact do u recommend the new gen 3 regular impact driver or the surge? Thank u
THE 5/16 are BOSCH www.lowes.com/pd/Bosch-Driven-2-9-16-In-x-5-16-In-Impact-Nutsetter/5001782515 the other 1 with the blue stripe? 1/2 inch? they are www.amazon.com/Tools-1899938-Performance-Lobular-Nutsetter/dp/B00LAEOEXE/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2DE0YD3E3ATB1&keywords=irwin+nut+setter+1%2F2&qid=1668316145&sprefix=irwin+nut+setter+1%2F2%2Caps%2C85&sr=8-1
@@toolsandtactics let's goo! Was scared there for a second. Just bought the battery and couldn't find anything on Google or even the tool Manuel saying that it could handle the High Output 5amp 12m battery. What a relief, thanks bro !!! 😂🙏🙏
@Echobird115 The tool only uses up to as much current as it asks for. No reason a higher-discharge battery would damage a tool designed for older, lower-discharge batteries.
I have the cp2. 0 and the xc4. 0 with my combo and the 1st thing i did when seeing the prices of batteries was go on amazon and order the offbrand 2 pack 6ah batteries for $32.. soo far theyre working good, i keep one in my m12 lantern and one in the drill. The impact gets the real 4ah and the small 2ah goes in the 3/8 ratched or the knocloff USB adapter i got for $18 on amazon also 😎
Just to add, I actually went on Amazon to buy a legit m12 ah battery and it consistently failed so either the battey was a remanufactured or just a POS.. my "6ah" m12s run just fine and charge great.. i think mine were under the Vanon company but sooo far no issues after a year
They’re a good deal until one burns up one of your tools. This is exactly what happened to me with a Amazon knockoff battery and a M12 voltage meter. I needed to put a fresh battery in the meter, so I grabbed what I had close by and as soon as I inserted the battery it went poof and a big smoke cloud came out of the tool. I’m pissed because that M12 meter was cool and unique but it was only lightly used and past the warranty period so I’m SOL with it. I ended up trashing the battery cause it wasn’t worth ruining anymore expensive tools.
@@El_Diablo_LI yeah I probably wouldn’t use them on a specialized tool like that, but I’ve used them daily for the past couple years on all my Milwaukee tools and have never had an issue like that
FYI, your 6.0 battery is a fake. The real packaging is plastic bead welded all around the package, “everything fits” isn’t on the real package, the top of the battery is going to be missing the power indicator markings, and the screws are not security hex but instead regular hex.
Doesn’t mean it’s a bad battery, it’s just not from Milwaukee.
@@kukeM0n5ter thanks good to know
Rattling guns really need the extra power i thought i would never use the 4.0Ah that came with the FIWF12. After i had to take apart a flywheel on a bigger engine i found out 4.0Ah was stronger than the 2.0Ah when i was thinking the only difference would be the duration of the battery oh well i was wrong. Both batteries were fully charged btw. Thanks for the testing.
@miokoukou9632 Yeah, the best way to explain it is. The higher amp hour batteries maintain a higher nominal voltage, than the smaller. ones. Thx
Thanks for the comparison at the end. I have an m12 set like this and I have a dewalt impact xr with the 3 speed selection but it was from right before the atomic era. I was about to buy these m12 batteries but now seeing that new atomic, I may take some more time to reconsider
@@alexpitre5354 the 850 and 840 from dewalt are great!
If I wanted a, "hey guys just buy DeWalt instead." Kind of video I would've just searched that. Thanks for nothing really.
I carry a surge with a cp3.0 on my hip all day every day. That is where it makes sense. Also I carry more into skyscraper with one trip with the M12 than I could with the m18 on tools I might need. Better to have it and be a bit slow than a 20 plus minute trip to get to the van
Yeah cps are the way to go!
The hydraulic impact drivers like the Surge are excellent as you can skip the hearing protection with them
I have some M12 tools - not for drills, impact drivers, and impact wrenches though. I have some of the ratchets, the 3" polisher, and so forth, and I use the compact batteries on those tools.
I have 18V tools for pretty much every tool that is available in both battery formats.
@JoeZasada the m12 line is the most powerful of the 12v lines but, not the smallest. If you were a tech 12v make sense if your in construction and just want something smaller. Have an 18v available for high power but looking for a 12 for better size weight and feel dewalt is the way to go
That new gen 3 impact gets hot so quickly! Mine keeps going into protection mode after about 10 minutes of heavier use🤷🏻
Yeah! It get HOT
Dude I have been saying the same exact thing about the M12 tools vs the compact 20V with powerstack. To me it's worth the extra 5oz for the 850. I did a test comparing the 1.7Ah powerstack in the DCD900 vs Gen3 M12 Hammer Drill with 4.0Ah drilling 3/4" holes in pine. The powerstack did 97 and the M12 did 75. The difference in amp draw between 12V and 18/20V is huge making them hard to compare by Ah for capacity.
That said I do love my M12 tools too and you're right on the money with the 2.5Ah being the way to go!
In fairness to the larger batteries, for a guy that only wants to carry M12 to a jobsite like a plumber, having the option of bigger batteries can add flexibility I suppose.
Yup exactly! Tired of these channels skewing... everyone instantly says" why didn't you use the 6 its stronger" .. I don't want to. I'm not going to use it in the field why would I show you an expectation that won't be met 🤔
I mean that's fine, but the problem is I already have a bunch of M12 tools lol - I started buying them back when I was still moving around from apartment to apartment. I got a bunch of them on sale, in kits that came with XC6.0 and CP3.0 batteries, and also got a bunch for significant discounts from Facebook marketplace. I also have a few mechanics tools (ratchets, right angle impact, inflator) in M12 as well. Now I'm in a house and it would be nice to have powerstack... but man I'm just doing home improvement, a bit of electrical and some home remodeling here and there in general - would suck to replace everything
Too many tests. What was the verdict? Is the 5.0 21700’s and the 6.0 18650’s?
No, in the M12, due to dimensional restrictions, the cells are the same size. The High Output cells do allow 25 amp draw instead of 20 amp. The cells are likely better in some other way as well. It’s not as stark a difference in the M18 HO line.
I use the 6.0 for my lights like the rover and 5.0 HO for my impacts and stubby drill
Apples and oranges. Sure, if you are looking for the most power, go with the 18V/20V system. It can deliver almost twice the current as a 12V system. But if you are comparing the two 12V battery options, that is a different question.
Can you give us links and information about the bits that you used to remove the battery casing and the nut drivers that you used to put the bolts into the log. Thanks good info👍👍👍🎃
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07WLJVFF5?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_image
I agree with your assessment, use the 2.5 HO as the larger batteries get too close to the M18 footprint.
Yeah exactly thanks!
i disagree. The 4 and 6Ah Balance the M12 way better out in your Hand than the smaller batterys.
I only use them if i don't need Speed 3 what is most unlikley 1 in 10 cases
Those are Samsung Q30's 18650 batteries. Best of da best!! What I use vaping. Thank you sir.
Awesome! Thanks for the info!
Not the best of the best. Q30s discharge at max 15 amps. The 25s cells that are supposed to be in there discharge at max 25 amps.
Exactly. I use the 2.5 and 3.0 batteries in my M12 tools (including a heated vest, sweatshirt, and jacket). When I need more power than my surge impact I have a Dewalt dcf850 with 2 power stack batteries.
Yup, I love my surge m12! When milwaukee makes batteries the size of the powerstacks it will be game over
How can you compare a 20v DeWalt with a 12 v Milwaukee. Did I miss something here.
@@deanmiddleton2864 Well, based on the size and weight I just did
Broski, "you don't get it" because you're mixing two different platforms. The 12V runs quick and nimble and has the option to run harder with the bigger battery. The DeWalt cant get any smaller than what you have there. Personal i run both on the job site each has there own tasks.. i also run the Surge because it's powerful enough and much more quiet..
TRUMP 2024..!
Make 2x4's affordable again.. 👍
@@garycasper2929 haha 🇺🇸#Tru Dat
That battery is a fake copy I can tell by the packaging
I just want the drill man...
The Milwaukee is definitely stronger and the batteries last longer than the dewalts. None of the “20V” dewalts batteries are truly 20V. You may get 20V on the initial pull of the trigger but after that it drops down to 17-18 at best then drops just drops down from there as the battery dies.
The new 5.0ah batteries make the impact driver and drill tip over too easily due to the tapered edges on the bottom. I’ll be sticking with the 6.0ah because of this issue, was installing ductwork yesterday and my M12 Surge hit the ground running from 12 feet above because she tipped over
Yeah yd they change it ahh!!!!
I’ve been thinking about adding a weight to mine or sticky magnets at the button
You talk to those use them every day for years
they will tell you under heavy use, dewalt crap out around 2 years
no doubt dewalt has a better grip
on the other hand the 6.0 m12 using samsung 30Q turn bad very quick
this is why they stop making them
the new 5.0 uses Samsung 25T has a higher 25Amp discharge rate
will see how well they put up
those 4.0 m12 has Samsung 20R and they are like a tank
@toolsandtactics sorry for bugging with all the questions today. But I need a new m12 impact do u recommend the new gen 3 regular impact driver or the surge? Thank u
What are you going to use it for the surges a great for woodworking and small tasks and lack power
The Gen 3 is awesome! Heats up fast on big tasks
@@toolsandtactics i want something for light duty and im between the surge or the installation driver
@@247Combat the gen 3 is really nice I don't have the surge but I've used it it
Try the surge if you like it keep it
The Gen 3 has A TON of power
What nut drivers are those? The long neck ones
THE 5/16 are BOSCH www.lowes.com/pd/Bosch-Driven-2-9-16-In-x-5-16-In-Impact-Nutsetter/5001782515
the other 1 with the blue stripe? 1/2 inch? they are www.amazon.com/Tools-1899938-Performance-Lobular-Nutsetter/dp/B00LAEOEXE/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2DE0YD3E3ATB1&keywords=irwin+nut+setter+1%2F2&qid=1668316145&sprefix=irwin+nut+setter+1%2F2%2Caps%2C85&sr=8-1
@@toolsandtactics Thank you
Good cells in that battery, once you see the Samsung ones you know it's good.
Mine came like that too a small battery in a big box stuffed with packing paper, lol
Lol
definitely Fake. Actual High Output 5.0 has Samsung INR18650-25s cells
So is the High Output XC5.0 battery compatible with the 3rd gen M12 impact driver ?
yeah!
@@toolsandtactics let's goo! Was scared there for a second. Just bought the battery and couldn't find anything on Google or even the tool Manuel saying that it could handle the High Output 5amp 12m battery. What a relief, thanks bro !!! 😂🙏🙏
Echobird all “fuel” tools make use of the technology in the h/o batteries.
@Echobird115 The tool only uses up to as much current as it asks for. No reason a higher-discharge battery would damage a tool designed for older, lower-discharge batteries.
Hi ppl of the tool watch....
hey hows it goin?
@@toolsandtactics great!....good to see another video....comparing the batteries.
@@jesterraj lol
Al Gore rhythm
Jesus crist put all the screws on first then use the impact to fasten all at once! Work smarter.
Lol
Ok
The knockoff Milwaukee batteries are a way better choice than buying the actual Milwaukee ones
I have the cp2. 0 and the xc4. 0 with my combo and the 1st thing i did when seeing the prices of batteries was go on amazon and order the offbrand 2 pack 6ah batteries for $32.. soo far theyre working good, i keep one in my m12 lantern and one in the drill. The impact gets the real 4ah and the small 2ah goes in the 3/8 ratched or the knocloff USB adapter i got for $18 on amazon also 😎
Just to add, I actually went on Amazon to buy a legit m12 ah battery and it consistently failed so either the battey was a remanufactured or just a POS.. my "6ah" m12s run just fine and charge great.. i think mine were under the Vanon company but sooo far no issues after a year
They’re a good deal until one burns up one of your tools. This is exactly what happened to me with a Amazon knockoff battery and a M12 voltage meter. I needed to put a fresh battery in the meter, so I grabbed what I had close by and as soon as I inserted the battery it went poof and a big smoke cloud came out of the tool. I’m pissed because that M12 meter was cool and unique but it was only lightly used and past the warranty period so I’m SOL with it. I ended up trashing the battery cause it wasn’t worth ruining anymore expensive tools.
@@El_Diablo_LI yeah I probably wouldn’t use them on a specialized tool like that, but I’ve used them daily for the past couple years on all my Milwaukee tools and have never had an issue like that