Pickleball! Should You Put SPIN on the Ball? Learn by Watching Others!
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2023
- In this video, the question of SPIN. Should you put spin on the ball. Do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? Plus, a player who breaks her wrist when hitting the ball. A couple of valuable lessons in this video. Check it out.
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Good video. At 6:13 that ball was in. Score an additional one for Karen. 🙂
At first I thought it was in. It was called out. Wendy served that point and then served the next one.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I believe that was a - wait for it- bad call. I know. Hard to believe. 😀
Love your videos though. Learn a lot from them. Thanks!
@@dmills7375 I thought it was in. Pam didn't thinks so. Thanks for watching. I'm glad to know they are helping you.
If you understand spin, it absolutely serves a purpose (side spin is not what I'm discussing), especially when I add in ball position and level of power. The objective of spin is not to win the point, it's to generate a sub-standard hit in response to punish in some way.
Additionally, half right about wrist. Please make sure you're referencing wrist break on a traditional forehand drive. There are plenty of ways to use your wrist on forehand plays, even drives, effectively. Just because this person is improperly executing the technique does not negate it entirely. Kudos to the Cincola video, he's an excellent instructor.
Good points. I am not referring to top spin. When Karen missed, she missed with side spin. I do get the point of generating a sub-standard response, but, a player has to get that shot in. She missed five times. And, yes, I was referencing the general way to hit a forehand. Thanks for watching.
I host a skills session once a week for anyone who wants to focus on a single aspect of the game. I get tons of turn out for the "spin" session, especially the beginners. Unfortunately for them, I stress to them that it's far, far more important to recognize and anticipate the effects of a spinning ball than it is to actually apply it successfully and consistently. So, in that session, after explaining the effects of spin on how the ball will fly and bounce, I hit ball after ball to them with various spin and they eventually figure it out. As a result, they become better pickleball players... just like players do after watching your videos, Rory. Thanks for doing this.
You are very welcome. I agree. If I am playing someone who puts side spin on the ball, it may take a couple of times, but, I can adjust to it and it doesn't have much of an affect.
I see the Tabasco bottle and your last name, which is French. Do you live in south Louisiana?
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Born and raised in New Iberia, which if you look closely, is on the Tabasco label in the picture. During the 80's oil boom, the area population grew and Avery Island, which is in the label today, got their own zip code. I left after high school for a career in the USAF. Retired at my last duty station, Scott Air Force Base, near Belleville, Illinois. I currently live near Carlyle Lake, IL, about 60 miles due east of St. Louis.
I generally like playing against someone who likes to spin the ball a lot. They may win a point or two but will generally give up many more
I totally agree. Especially new players who think they need to spin the ball on every shot.
You are so so right on this one. Friend of mine went to a Riely Newman clinic and one of the first things he said to the class was that spin is all for show. I believe there is time and place, top spin serve and top spin roll down the middle but for the most part that is all I really do. I think if they would have attacked that side spin shot they would have had ever better success.
Thanks for the compliment and thanks for watching. I think many times spin gets a player in trouble rather than benefiting them.
Fantastic comment about breaking the wrist when hitting the ball. I think we are all guilty of this from time to time. Thanks for the reminder.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching. I played with a tennis player this morning who was playing for the second time. I recommend that she not break her wrist when hitting a forehand. She said that is what she is programmed to do. I told her she needed to re-program. LOL!
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I would say as a beginner, you keep your wrist firm but as you progress and advance, that wrist movement creates power and spin. But you have to control it.
I think its good to mixed things up with both spins and flat shots during a game, so keeping your opponents guessing.
A lot of flat shots sail out of the court.
06:07 cut spin ball was in that was called out by opponent....right on the line
Yes it was. Too bad she called it out. Thanks for watching.
I've added spin shots to my game with good success. That "scoop" spin Karen used the most is something I rarely see used effectively. BUT ... not everyone is adept at spin shots. If you can't develop those shots ... don't use them.
I slice my returns a lot, with great effect. The ball skids and throws off my opponent's timing. Even if I "float" a high arcing slice return, it skids.
I will hit topspin returns less frequently, but they're a nice change of pace when the opponents start to seem "grooved" on my slice returns.
Side-spin is very helpful to get out of trouble on short low-bouncing balls from the opponents. Your contact point needs to be much more forward of normal for this shot to be reliable.
In singles a high DTL passing shot with topspin is a lot of fun. The opponent almost always lets that ball go, expecting it to fly out. (I have not found this shot at all effective in Dubs.)
If you're going to employ spins, you need to drill them A LOT so you get comfortable with them. (Ben Johns just won the Triple Crown in Denver. He seemed to be the Pro who figured out the spins the best in Mile High (thin) air. In one post-match interview he was asked how he adapted to the altitude. "Lots and lots of reps" was his response. If you want to get better, drill more than you play, people.)
Drill more than you play is the best advice you gave. The other stuff was spot on as well. I'm pretty sure tennis players drill about 2 to 3 times as often as they play.
Very good video and interesting to watch. Some players get enamored with a certain shot they sometimes forget when to use it and not use it. I've played with players who spin on every single shot. I ask them why and they simple say that's how they learned to play the game.
I think they need to unlearn it. LOL! Thanks for watching.
You have to clarify or categorize spin. Because I initially thought "should you put spin on the ball" as in top spin, slice return, forehand /backhand roll volley were in question. Then as I watch, it is about side spin which most don't use. You mentioned the Cincola video and he is teaching top SPIN forehand. Keyword spin. You referenced a forehand drive in the video before mentioning the Cincola video. The player hit a drive but her stroke was more like a 3rd shot drop. This is how most a taught at a beginner level how to hit a forehand. It is the easiest way to learn. But to progress, you have to switch to a compact tennis like forehand for the drive (like the video you recommended). And with this drive, you need top spin if you want to keep the ball in the court.
I agree with top spin. As I pointed out in the video, the shots that Karen missed were shots with side spin. Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment.
There was not a lot said about backspin. I played tennis 50 yrs ago. Muscle memory is amazing. I have only played a few times. My philosophy is top spin for aggressive shots. Backspin is for defensive shots to give me more time to get back into position. Because of age and normal mobility issues (translation slow) a backspin return gives me more than enough time to establish my self at the kitchen. Side spin is for a change up maybe once or twice a game..
Not a bad approach! Thanks for watching.
I played with a beginner who was good at doing wide slice spins and just like you said once or twice might work but after that they have effect because you learn how to recognize the bounce so the player tried so hard to do other spins that just kept failing because it would hit the net or I would return the ball with no spin cause the player lose control of the ball because of the spin being returned.
Yes, I see that a lot.
Most of my experience with players and spins involve the use of top spin and side slice (especially backhand slice). This lady was using a scoop side spin, which 1) I rarely see; and 2) when I do see it, it is used on a lob. Perhaps a 2d video where side (not scoop) spin is applied would be useful. It seems most effective on drop shots, especially crosscourt drops.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the suggestion.
Impressive analysis once again Rory.
I appreciate you for focusing on an aspect of the game that is not entirely about the “3rd shot drop”.
Speaking for myself, as an early subscriber to your channel, I’ve heard so much about the 3rd shot drop, it starts getting a bit repetitive over time. This was a good diversion from that and a helpful video about spin.
Keep being creative in this way with future videos - we appreciate all your efforts!
Thanks Eddie! I appreciate it.
Your points are well taken.
I"ve been experimenting a little with backspin in rec ball games. If you want to get better control on spin shots you definitely need to drill them. But from a cost/benefit analysis, I think it is better to spin less.
I played with a beginner yesterday. He missed about eight shots trying to put side spin on the ball.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Ouch! Lol, I feel your pain
I notice you mention in several videos that the frying pan grip is not a good way to hold the paddle which I agree specifically when trying to control in the kitchen but I have many players and a couch at our park use that hold. The couch told me she uses that grip because she played table tennis
I totally understand former ping pong players using the grip. However, if the coach is teaching her students to hold the paddle like that, she is doing them a disservice. Thanks for watching.
I think the video would have been aptly named “Should You Put SIDE SPIN on the Ball?” There was a lot of effective top spin by these players that you didn’t necessarily identify because (I think) they were natural looking shots. Personally, I agree side spin is usually ineffective and not often used by better players. I will admit to using some as part of a change up for serves. But it’s more of a top spin-side spin combo.
Thanks for the videos, Rory!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching as always.
The problem I have is returning the spin serve when it lurches
to the right unpredictably after bouncing.
Thanks for watching. Set your feet , then really watch the spin, adjust and hit it.
I think that spin sever is not legal , paddle is going across not up at the time of contact.
Could be. It's really borderline. Thanks for watching.
Spin allows me to play more aggressively. I hit topspin on almost all my ba
Top spin is fine. I'm talking about crazy side spin. She wasn't putting top spin on the ball when she hit them out. Thanks for watching.
I enjoy your videos. However, I disagree with the criticism about breaking your wrist. As someone else mentioned, it generate power and topspin. You can’t get the snap to generate spin if the wrist doesn’t flex. Here is an instructional video by Simone Jardim showing this
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I think there is a break in the wrist and there is an EXTREME break in the wrist. Thanks for sharing. I've learned a lot from watching Simone. I have seen this video. Look at the women in black and the man in white hit their forehands as instructed by Simone. Then, look at Wendy hit her forehand. They look nothing alike.
The team with the side spin WON.
Haha. It would not have been a match if she would not have made the four unforced errors by putting side spin on the ball.