The gameplay is so great. The cinematic safe beautiful but the writing is so bad so it’s hard to find the proper balance. And the stuff in the hub area that isn’t combat is also bad. But moment to moment playing I absolutely love
Man epic games just gave it free snd i feel like i been blessed with a game i wouldnt have had the luxury to try in the crap shoot these days. Wow. It feels like a modern day turn based JRPG, like updated just enough to look fire, but it’s just turn based final fantasy type combat, simple and fun and operates well, with the Marvel. Story bland but it’s also lit cause wtf why is blade and iron man fighting lilith, Lucifer’s supposed wife…
In retrospect, waiting for the sale was a great idea. I have been playing it for the last 3 or 4 days. I am very surprised how much I am enjoying it. And a little surprised it didn't do better financially. Just a lot of fun to play.
You just said in retrospect waiting for the sale was a great idea. So that may explain why it didn’t do well financially. I would have paid full price for this game because it really is that good. 40 hours in just under a week right now and I’m not even a quarter through the story. Super addicting
This is such a time vampyre! I get the "just one more turn" syndrome because there's always something to grind and upgrade and you need just one more mission.
As always really like your even handed approach to reviews. I appreciate that you don't get hyperbolic regarding game faults. Appreciate that you don't beat us over the head with negativity. As close to an objective review as I have seen.
I know a lot of people have been turned off by the friendship/ relationship simulation aspect of the game, but I have to say, I loved all that stuff. Call me a total nerd, but I loved hanging out with and having deep conversations with my favorite Marvel heroes, and I genuinely started to feel a kinship with some of them. Yes, there's an apocalypse going on and it may seem weird to have club activities and casual hangouts during all that, but keep in mind this is established from the get go to be a long-term, ongoing threat, and these are superheroes-they deal with this kind of thing all the time. It's just another day on the job for them, so of course they have to unwind and indulge in personal hobbies at the end of the day. No one can be in crisis mode 24/7, so I think all that stuff worked really nicely and gave the game some depth and variety beyond just being a card combat game.
Currently playing after getting legendary edition for 25$ on PlayStation, I have been glued to my screen & have pumped many hours into it, I think it’s such an amazingly unique experience & deserves so much more DLC, it’s so sad that it was considered a commercial “flop”, I really wish it gets recognized for the gem it is & support again or a sequel!
After beating the game with all the DLC, I can easily say this is one of my favorites of all time, and that's partly because I'm a super hero fan and the characters are all very fleshed out with a great deal of dialogue and banter between one another. The other part is the strategic gameplay, which was much more satisfying than I expected it to be.
I can pretty much agree with your assessments. The only difference I have is the story. I actually loved it. For me, since my Hunter is the main character, I was creating my own story of sorts, I didnt have too much a pre existing notion of all the other heroes. If I tried to identify the actual hero to what I expected them to act like, I would agree. The story was kind of bunk. However, dropping that preconceived notion and let the story develope as unique, then I really started enjoying it and was honestly pretty sad when it ended. I love the friendship simulator, but wouldn't mind getting out of the friend zone with some characters should I choose too...if you know what I mean...Overall amazing game. The only thing keeping me out of it is the performance. I operates fine for awhile. I am guessing there is a massive memory leak cause the performance gets progressively worse over time. I need to reboot my entire system just to get it back to "Ok" performance.
A couple of things ... While the writing isn't great, the voice acting is amazing. Steve Blum as Wolvy, Jennifer Hale as Lilith, Michael Jai White as Blade, Yuri Lowenthal as Spidey, Laura Bailey as Magik. It is obvious why the needed to charge AAA price, as the voice crew is definitely AAA tier talent. Many of the characters that are acting childish, is actually on point if you are familiar with their comic book persona. The arrogance of Strange and Stark is definitely on point, Magik being stunted emotionally and being reclusive is on point. Spidey feeling inadequate to the other heroes, Blade's whole tough guy act, Cap's positivity are also all on point. Second point ... I really like the plot of the story. I love how you the main character is like "What do you mean I am the leader, I have only ever been just a weapon to bring down my mother." I love the story with the ghost and exploring the Abby grounds and learning about the elder gods(not talked about much in the MCU). Third point ... I, too, feared the combat with the cards would be a mess but have been pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoy it. Finally, I have been telling my friends that unless you just desperately want this game it is best to wait and pick it up on sale. I think a good price point would have been around 30-40 USD.
Absolutely loving this game, I know some people weren’t happy with the game but I love games like xcom, wasteland, divinity original sin and obviously as a marvel fan and and strategy game lover had to have this one . I admit sometimes it the dialogue can be bad but honestly I’m really enjoying every aspect of the game. Really enjoy the abbey as well as LOVE the combat and the card aspect . Good review man!
This 100% I see people saying the combat saves the game - which if you love combat makes sense. But I think some of the attraction is for folks who enjoy more than just combat. I almost didn't get it because I thought it was all combat focused. When I saw it had more I took the risk and totally fell for it. I enjoy all aspects - combat, story/characters, and the Abbey.
You should check out Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden. It is similar to Xcom but watered down. I played through it multiple times. It can be brutal if you mess up. PS4
It's NOT X-com. I went into it thinking it was x-com-ish and was jolted by the truth. It's a GOOD game, but it's NOTHING like x-com. No individual movement, no cover, NO MISSING!
It's crazy, I'll wait years for a game to come out and I will play it 30hrs and be done with it. I just check this game out on a whim and Ive been hooked for weeks! The gameplay loop is just so relaxing to me!
hey man really love your content. I was struggling with finding the games I like but since our taste in games is very similar I found couple games i very much enjoyedd thanks to you
I am loving this game, and while I still can agree the friendship bits/writing is silly I still am very addicted to it lol, something about it is just really charming and wholesome
I also don't think the writing is terrible, it's just not great. The background story stuff, abbey exploration, and obviously the incredible combat make it so worth it.
The friendship as you describe it feels like it was made for a game with a different story. While becoming friends with Captain America sounds appealing it seems too out of character for him to pal about and form a book club when there should be stuff to do. I wouldn't be surprised it was repurposed from Chimera Squad. Or hell a Firaxis take on a game like Persona.
Neh, the point was to kinda give an idea of what it's like to live and interact with heroes as a hero during a crisis. Its fanboy shit written as goofy as you'd expect, and weirdly enough I dig it.
I love Book Club! I think it's fun to pal around with everyone between missions. It fulfills that living with the Avengers fantasy. Though they should have gone all the way with the dating as the X-men, Avengers, and every Marvel team dates within it's ranks. But going to the Book Club and analyzing the different opinions on the books really tells you a lot about the characters.
@@ombra711 That and I was also thinking, "Don't most games have unimportant sidequests/missions to do while you should be saving the world?" It's fine to not be into it, but I think I'm just used to it in games.
Truth is with all that "verrrrryyyy seriiiouuuss" marvel cinematic universe, Marvel fans (or new ones ?) have decided they hate fun. Goofy dialogs, ridiculous scenes, relationships, oh no, PLEASE MAKE IT EPIC AND SERIOUS. Tell me more about how serious Lilith is while takin literal months to do anythin in Dr Strange's house
I did see many excited for this game. But personally I was left confused and wondering who this was for. As a comic book fan and even a lover of superhero games, this left me perplexed as to why did they add all these functions. I wish a reboot of X-men legends an Marvel Ultimate Alliances.
My guess? The people who play fire emblem. That's the most popular competing franchise the xcom devs seem to be eyeing for improvements to their formula (or maybe they're just fans themselves). Particularly this seems like it might have been the idea for a gacha game at some point.
@@J3n50 They have been moving in this direction since xcom chimera squad: the friendship sim, the endless quips and dialogs, the focus on characters and stories...
This game was made for people like me. I'm a Marvel Comics fan, and still have my Rise of the Midnight Suns and Midnight Massacre comics from the 90s. I'm also a fan of Firaxis's X-com games, Bioware dialogue choices, and Slay the Spire. So this game is everything I could want. Every Marvel game doesn't have to be the same. Years ago, after playing X-com 2, I thought EA should have made a Star Wars tactical RPG game, as they had an exclusive license at the time. I'm an even bigger Marvel fan, and never thought about using Superheroes, so I've been excited for this ever since the announcement at Summer Gamesfest in 2021. Don't get me wrong, I like real time action games as well. The combat in Guardians was average, but the Storytelling was great, I've spent hundreds of hours leveling all the characters in the Avengers game, which has great combat, but bad support post release for a service game. Liked most of Spider-Man PS4, ,sans the stealth missons ,and even re-bought Ultimate Alliance 1 and 2 when they were digitally re-released on PS4 and Xbox one in 2016. I also played X-Men Legends 1 and 2, 4 player on the original Xbox with friends 20 years ago, played the 3 MCU game/movie tie ins, and other things like Rise of the Imperfects, Shattered Dimensions & X-Men Origins Wolverine. We've had enough Marvel action games, and they're making more. Fans of other genres should have some Marvel Games in those genres as well. I'm loving Midnight Suns. I don't think there is anything wrong with the dialogue in the game. It's very Saturday morning cartoon expository, because this game is made for kids to adults, and you have to introduce the characters and mythos for people who may not be Marvel fans, or only know Marvel through the MCU. So characters have to over explain and reference, and that doesn't make the dialogue bad. A lot of good character work is done in the dialogue, and it pays off because you do feel familiar with the characters as the game progresses. If you don't like the micro management in the X-com base building, or managing relationships in Mass Effect or Fire Emblem, this game isn't going to be for you. But if you do like those things and X-com, you're going to love this.
Love this game! Agreed about the friendship stuff. I felt like i was playing Wish Persona. I enjoyed the abbey side once it opened out. Combat was 100% the best part, and it felt like xcom with superheroes, which was the point. I did end up getting the season pass once all the dlc characters are implemented I'll play another run and get the platinum. I wish there was like an evil campaign or mini campaign where you could play as the various villains. Could just play the multiverse card and have the player wreck the heros/hunter.
Good vid Mortym, the channel is booming 🔥 Game looks fun but don’t think I could put slog through the writing and story for this one tbh. Perhaps on sale
I thought I was going to despise the friendship simulator, but it ended up being one of my favorite aspects of the game. I have never been big on Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider. I was always a Johnny Blaze girly. Nic Cage took my heart and ran with it. But getting to become best friends with the people in the game made me appreciate characters a lot more. Robbie might be my favorite Ghost Rider now. I also adore getting to make my own hero in my favorite franchise. Anytime I get to do that the game gets a bonus from me. So the fact that I can say that *I* went on a mission with Spider-Man and Venom to fight demons, nets this game a win in my book.
Point Taken, however, every review I've seen has listed Story and Character as a negative of the game and that is a significant requirement of mine, in a game like this. In several games I can look past such things when they aren't the focus or main selling point, so for example I love the Mass Effect series and Andromeda failed to live up to its own standard, I still played it, still liked it but I hated paying full price for it at launch. These days I wait for reviews and price drops to fit its worth, in my eyes at least. Also, the microtransaction for skins in an SP game is a massive red flag and I don't want to do anything that the publishers see as acceptance of this terrible direction in game development.
This is the review I've agreed with most about this game. I was a bit worried for the first few hours, but I enjoyed XCOM so much I wanted to give it a fair shake, and so far I agree, the combat is a lot of fun. The positioning and knocking enemies around reminds me of Into the Breach a bit. That said, I definitely found myself cringing at a lot of the dialog and wondering what those poor VAs were thinking having to read that. At least it settles into more simple corny fun (instead of just corny) a few hours in.
This was my favorite game of last year, easily. The combat was so damn good!! I hope that they take this system and use it in a lot more games. With some enhancements like adding verticality to it. I agree that the first few hours were a little rough, but I actually enjoyed the story and writing a lot. Now, I am a total Marvel guy so that definitely helps, but I'm not gonna lie. At the end before the final battle, I got a little misty, especially when talking to Charlie. It's such a shame that this game wasn't more successful. I think that the card-based aspect of it was a hard no for a lot of people that were already TRPG fans.
Yeah guess the jokes did not land for you. I agree the start of the abbey stuff is not great, but they have some amazing jokes, and there is SO MUCH Dialogue, from you talking to people and other people having conversations not involving you that you can overhear. Look me a while to get into it, but it really added to the atomosphere for me. And some of the writing is really really good. I particulary liked Blade teasing Robbie about not knowing the location of Transia on a map. I guess the joke is a bit meta as Transia is a fictional country, so kinda hard for anyone to put on a map :D, but it made me laugh.
This game was so amazing. Glad I tried it during free play days. I was hooked after 2 hours. I’ve beat it on every single difficulty and have nearly 500 hours played. It’s amazing!!
Just bought it on Epic for like 30-40% off, finaly a price im willing to pay. Seems it could be damn fun. But wooow, instantly when i start the game, it takes me to the shop haha.
Wow, you summed up my sentiments almost exactly. Got it free from Epic and the beginning was pretty boring : I felt like I had to power through 30 minutes of boredom to get 10 minutes of exciting fight. I was on the verge of stopping it, but then the game opened up, the dialogues/friendship simulator took less room, and the combat was more front and center. And the combat is super fun! I also like the strategic element (building decks, sending heroes on ops, etc.), but there are some irritants (having to move around the Abbey and different menus to burn, build and upgrade cards is annoying). I'm still playing it and do lots of side missions, but I'm having a blast. I just skip most dialogues to get to the fun faster, and it's helping a lot. Thanks for this review ans all the others! I enjoy your content. :)
Bought this game after watching deadpool and wolverine movie and wow this game is soo good, i wanted to play a game with blade and thats exactly what i got.
Thanks for the info m8. Most of the people is saying the microtransactions are there to ruin the game but you clarify it definitely has no impact and no p2w like Ubisoft has done so many times. Congratulations btw
Glad to see this review, wasn't at all interested when I heard about this game but heard so much good stuff I'm really interested bow and would love your opinion.
I wish we can carry over our Ability cards for new game plus. It will help a lot in tackling higher difficulties. So we don’t have to grind those abilities over and over again everytime we start new game plus
so realistically, I couldn't fight Venom at the clock tower - on the hardest unlocked difficulty - with my endgame cards. only ever, would I be able to do is - Fight Venom on the Hardest Difficulty, with current cards only.
Thanks for making the video, had no idea of the channel but yt algo popped up. I got the legendary version of this game 2 days ago during BFCM sale for around USD26.30. I had read into a ton of reviews and it is the only game I bought during this black friday. About 10 hours in right now and I don't regret buying! Agree that it probably doesn't needed the friendship sim, if they wanted it to work, they should've invested more into it as a dating sim instead.
Honestly have not been able to put this game down. While a small amount of the writing can be very cringey, the overall story has been very good so far. I forget off hand if this game is T or M, but I think they may have toned down some of the dialogue in an effort to market to a larger audience. The friendship system has been a fun addition to me. Although some of the reactions to the dialogue options seem to make no sense, I think it's a fun mechanic that really speaks to fans of the Marvel universe. I do, however, agree that the gameplay, which I thought I'd have to suffer through to enjoy the other parts of the game, has been very well implemented and, most often, the perfect blend of challenging & fun. The only other TRPG I've played was Mutant: Year Zero, which I really liked, but thought was too challenging and complicated for a fringed fan of the genre, like me, to fully enjoy. This game is very, pick up and play, friendly, while offering a deeper challenging aspects to get those fulfilling 3 star mission ratings.
First time I’ve ever disagreed with Mortim so strongly. I really liked this game, I loved seeing new sides of the mainstream characters, like tony starks aversion to magic, and dr stranges struggles with failure. And learning more about characters I’m not as familiar with. I’m not saying the early writing is perfect but it doesn’t assume u know everything about these characters and u spend time hashing that out, and learning what Lilith is and what she’s capable of. So that stretch where you aren’t as free to do what you want when, it’s purposeful, and the idea is your hunter is legendary, and trying to earn the trust and reputation you’ve been built up on by your historic deeds. Very unique marvel experience!
I tempered my expectations after seeing the gameplay and I lost 65 hours of my life in the first 5 days to the game. Max friendships, max levels and perfect decks by the final mission. even played enough to unlock the correct colors for their midnight suns suits. I loved the game. hooked me in from the first hour. there were noticable bugs but i really loved the experience. Gonna wait for all the DLC before new game+ though. also fighting the bosses in random missions didnt happen as often as id like.
Oh and my expectations were low as i thought of it as a dumb down version of any TRPG, but at least they managed to write good combat. I will pick it up maybe in the future
Just got this game for free with my RTX 3070 (Christmas gift) and loving it so far. I was a big comic book nerd in the 70s and early 80s, and this game is just checking a lot of my nerd boxes for me.
Missed opportunity to release this review at Midnight. Maybe if we haven’t been beaten senseless with superhero films the past decade I’d probably check this out.
I just picked this game up on a steam sale and I don't regret it. I agree with most of yoyr assessments, but the combat really does carry the game past it's shortcomings.
As an update, I'm enjoying this game a fair bit, which I didn't expect with the card mechanics. However I've noticed my clear times starting to drop, and out of curiosity I looked up a video of a couple people playing at higher difficulties and levels, and I got to say I didn't like what I saw. They were clearing an encounter in 1-3 turns, but it was like 40 minutes of playing free cards to stack redraws and just continuously cycling cards for quick attacks, free play mark cards, and heroism to spend on environmental attacks. This aspect of playing the *deck* as opposed to playing the heroes vs the enemies is exactly the kind of thing that made me wary of using cards as part of the game in the first place.
I found the dialogue to be more fun at the beginning before every character was either complaining about no one saving a particular character yet, and before the grand "you're in charge Hunter" jamboree that was immediately followed the next morning with, "I forbid you to do this Hunted." Between that and every character blaming themselves for things, the bickering, etc. the friendship simulator was not fun for large chunks of time. Also for a game called Midnight Suns, it felt like the Avengers were the heroes. But combat is great, love the animations.
Yeah I was really hesitant on buying this game especially after I saw that it had microtransactions and were selling single DLC characters for 15$ each but I got this game recently for like 25$ and will start playing it soon. by the way you channel and reviews are awesome.
I love the community you're building. All I see in your comments is love for games, thoughtful critiques, and respectful disagreement. I started watching you because I wanted to learn how to play BG1, but I'm staying because you have the best community in gaming. Keep it up!
I agree with everything here. I use the escape button to skip everything that is not combat but the combat is a super fun experience I do have issue with the character unlocking stuff I've been playing nearly 15 - 20 hours and I've not unlocked scarlet witch wolverine or hulk which is fine but it's a bummer to he excited to play characters and them be locked out due to story reasons especially when the story is not interesting to me. I do also think they could have done a better job of adding some general support abilities for different characters. It's a little tied to doctor strange and nico. I'd like to see what a more support focused ghost rider could do with one or two extra abilities in there purely for support
I'm undecided about buying the game because I'm only interested in combat. So, when you say 'skip' by hitting the escape button, you mean you skip the entire scene or just one single sentence? Thanks
I picked this game up recently during a Steam sale, and I was pleasantly surprised by it! I remember seeing ads for the game and wanting to give it a shot, but never got around to it. I was surprised to find out that the game was considered a failure. I hope we at least get an expansion out of Firaxis, because I gave up any notion of a sequel after hearing that.
Great review! Good combat is good enough for me but I don't intend to play this for a long while... Too much on the backlog so I certainly won't be overpaying
Thanks again, you saved me when the game released and today you save me again from throwing away my money. The tactical part I want to play, but that friendship simulator is a real showstopper for me… however I am not shitting on those who do.
While I normally think very highly of your reviews, I have to challenge you on your scathing critique of the writing. While it's not gonna win any awards for originality, it's certainly up to the standard of most video game writing. While I understand that the relationship building elements sometimes feel out of place given the context of the story, I'm curious what you find so bad about the writing.
While the friendship dialogue could be pretty dumb, it felt comic book dumb so it didn't overly bother me. As the game went on, I actually started looking forward to those interactions just for the game lore. I also was skeptical of the card system, but I got into that as well. The thing I neglected that I wished I had paid attention to from the jump was the crafting.
Ive been having such a great time with it on the steamdeck, and im not a particular fan of cards/the Avenger side of marvel. The tactical combat and FE: Three Houses social stuff loop goes down a treat
The good thing about following Mort for a long time is that you can imagine what opinion he will have on certain games. In this case it was not a surprise, anyway, excellent review.
Thanks a million for the review. I was considering this game but thought the price was too high and also assumed right away, that the story and dialogue wouldn’t be great. So…..I’m definitely waiting for a sale before buying this game.
Buy on sale it is then. Childlike or young adult writing and narrative I can do without. If only the story and writing could be up to par as well - then I probably would buy it at full price.
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I was expecting very little from this and it ended up being my absolute favorite game to play this fall. It is just superb.
The gameplay is so great. The cinematic safe beautiful but the writing is so bad so it’s hard to find the proper balance. And the stuff in the hub area that isn’t combat is also bad. But moment to moment playing I absolutely love
Man epic games just gave it free snd i feel like i been blessed with a game i wouldnt have had the luxury to try in the crap shoot these days. Wow. It feels like a modern day turn based JRPG, like updated just enough to look fire, but it’s just turn based final fantasy type combat, simple and fun and operates well, with the Marvel. Story bland but it’s also lit cause wtf why is blade and iron man fighting lilith, Lucifer’s supposed wife…
In retrospect, waiting for the sale was a great idea. I have been playing it for the last 3 or 4 days. I am very surprised how much I am enjoying it. And a little surprised it didn't do better financially. Just a lot of fun to play.
I really wish that it did better. Think they could have made something truly special using this game to build upon.
You just said in retrospect waiting for the sale was a great idea. So that may explain why it didn’t do well financially. I would have paid full price for this game because it really is that good. 40 hours in just under a week right now and I’m not even a quarter through the story. Super addicting
its free now! ive been playing it a lot since then
I agree on sale very enjoyable full price ehhh
This is such a time vampyre! I get the "just one more turn" syndrome because there's always something to grind and upgrade and you need just one more mission.
Thank you for this awesome breakdown! Glad to hear you've reached this milestone, hope we'll get more of your epic reviews!
Legendary Edition is currently 70% off, so I guess it's the perfect time to get it!
As always really like your even handed approach to reviews. I appreciate that you don't get hyperbolic regarding game faults. Appreciate that you don't beat us over the head with negativity. As close to an objective review as I have seen.
I know a lot of people have been turned off by the friendship/ relationship simulation aspect of the game, but I have to say, I loved all that stuff. Call me a total nerd, but I loved hanging out with and having deep conversations with my favorite Marvel heroes, and I genuinely started to feel a kinship with some of them. Yes, there's an apocalypse going on and it may seem weird to have club activities and casual hangouts during all that, but keep in mind this is established from the get go to be a long-term, ongoing threat, and these are superheroes-they deal with this kind of thing all the time. It's just another day on the job for them, so of course they have to unwind and indulge in personal hobbies at the end of the day. No one can be in crisis mode 24/7, so I think all that stuff worked really nicely and gave the game some depth and variety beyond just being a card combat game.
Currently playing after getting legendary edition for 25$ on PlayStation, I have been glued to my screen & have pumped many hours into it, I think it’s such an amazingly unique experience & deserves so much more DLC, it’s so sad that it was considered a commercial “flop”, I really wish it gets recognized for the gem it is & support again or a sequel!
Congratulations for the channel's milestone.
And, as usual,
Thanks for your videos!
After beating the game with all the DLC, I can easily say this is one of my favorites of all time, and that's partly because I'm a super hero fan and the characters are all very fleshed out with a great deal of dialogue and banter between one another. The other part is the strategic gameplay, which was much more satisfying than I expected it to be.
Currently playing rn & it’s been really good too! Having Deadpool, Ghost Rider & Blade go around defeating hydra is so satisfying
@@user-up8fn1gj3i I finished the game but I still revisit it from time to time. I still haven't gotten to the highest difficulty.
Ive been following your channel since single digit thousands, and its really great to see you hit the verification!
I can pretty much agree with your assessments. The only difference I have is the story. I actually loved it. For me, since my Hunter is the main character, I was creating my own story of sorts, I didnt have too much a pre existing notion of all the other heroes. If I tried to identify the actual hero to what I expected them to act like, I would agree. The story was kind of bunk. However, dropping that preconceived notion and let the story develope as unique, then I really started enjoying it and was honestly pretty sad when it ended. I love the friendship simulator, but wouldn't mind getting out of the friend zone with some characters should I choose too...if you know what I mean...Overall amazing game. The only thing keeping me out of it is the performance. I operates fine for awhile. I am guessing there is a massive memory leak cause the performance gets progressively worse over time. I need to reboot my entire system just to get it back to "Ok" performance.
what other card games do you like
Thanks Mortismal ! Great review as always.
You deserve all the growth you get man, as a fellow trpg/srpg lover awesome channel
As always another great review. Congrats on the success brother !! Let's keep this ride rolling !!
I started following you for your EXCELLENT Pathfinder videos and I'm floored by how much I'm enjoying your content. Great work and keep it up!
I like that they had Captain Marvel, a hero strong enough to flip over a tank, lifting like 20lbs dumbbells in the gym!
It's to fit in 🤣
A couple of things ... While the writing isn't great, the voice acting is amazing. Steve Blum as Wolvy, Jennifer Hale as Lilith, Michael Jai White as Blade, Yuri Lowenthal as Spidey, Laura Bailey as Magik. It is obvious why the needed to charge AAA price, as the voice crew is definitely AAA tier talent. Many of the characters that are acting childish, is actually on point if you are familiar with their comic book persona. The arrogance of Strange and Stark is definitely on point, Magik being stunted emotionally and being reclusive is on point. Spidey feeling inadequate to the other heroes, Blade's whole tough guy act, Cap's positivity are also all on point.
Second point ... I really like the plot of the story. I love how you the main character is like "What do you mean I am the leader, I have only ever been just a weapon to bring down my mother." I love the story with the ghost and exploring the Abby grounds and learning about the elder gods(not talked about much in the MCU).
Third point ... I, too, feared the combat with the cards would be a mess but have been pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoy it.
Finally, I have been telling my friends that unless you just desperately want this game it is best to wait and pick it up on sale. I think a good price point would have been around 30-40 USD.
Absolutely loving this game, I know some people weren’t happy with the game but I love games like xcom, wasteland, divinity original sin and obviously as a marvel fan and and strategy game lover had to have this one . I admit sometimes it the dialogue can be bad but honestly I’m really enjoying every aspect of the game. Really enjoy the abbey as well as LOVE the combat and the card aspect . Good review man!
This 100% I see people saying the combat saves the game - which if you love combat makes sense. But I think some of the attraction is for folks who enjoy more than just combat. I almost didn't get it because I thought it was all combat focused. When I saw it had more I took the risk and totally fell for it. I enjoy all aspects - combat, story/characters, and the Abbey.
You should check out Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden. It is similar to Xcom but watered down. I played through it multiple times. It can be brutal if you mess up. PS4
Thanks for revisiting MMS, and thank you for the review. Onward to 200k. All glory to the algorithm.
Yo! Can't WAIT for the KC:D review here. So excited.
I miss Freedom Force, where I manage the team with my custom made superhero - and had strategic and tactical layers like Evil Genius.
Man I forgot all about that game. It’s on Steam for 1.74
i agree, freedom force tops this game mechanics and story wise.
Thanks for uploading this one. I have been waiting 😁
Hi Mortym! As a huge Marvel fan AND a huge X-COM fan, this game is definitely going on the ol' wishlist. It looks like a lot of fun.
It's NOT X-com. I went into it thinking it was x-com-ish and was jolted by the truth. It's a GOOD game, but it's NOTHING like x-com. No individual movement, no cover, NO MISSING!
same
Thanks for the review! I'll buy this when its 5$ in about 8 years.
You'll miss out on a great game. Bummer for you.
@@DrunkenRhinoceros That's cool with me. I'm sure future me will be happy after buying it for cheap.
Not even for free, this looks like ass 😂
@@DrunkenRhinoceros "It must suck to be poor" Not everyone could be blessed with being rich like you. Sorry man. Just trying to do my best in life.
@@DrunkenRhinoceros How will he miss out if he buys and plays it later?
Congratulations to you and the channel. Love the content! ❤
It's crazy, I'll wait years for a game to come out and I will play it 30hrs and be done with it. I just check this game out on a whim and Ive been hooked for weeks! The gameplay loop is just so relaxing to me!
hey man really love your content. I was struggling with finding the games I like but since our taste in games is very similar I found couple games i very much enjoyedd thanks to you
I am loving this game, and while I still can agree the friendship bits/writing is silly I still am very addicted to it lol, something about it is just really charming and wholesome
Same, I was starting to think my I'M juvenile and childish since I'm addicted to the game, plus have no issues with the dialogue for the most part.
I also don't think the writing is terrible, it's just not great. The background story stuff, abbey exploration, and obviously the incredible combat make it so worth it.
I feel exactly the same. One of the best games I played last year despite how silly it is.
yeah, I think it's juvenile and cringe, but it's the fun juvenile and cringe.
The friendship as you describe it feels like it was made for a game with a different story. While becoming friends with Captain America sounds appealing it seems too out of character for him to pal about and form a book club when there should be stuff to do. I wouldn't be surprised it was repurposed from Chimera Squad. Or hell a Firaxis take on a game like Persona.
Neh, the point was to kinda give an idea of what it's like to live and interact with heroes as a hero during a crisis. Its fanboy shit written as goofy as you'd expect, and weirdly enough I dig it.
I love Book Club! I think it's fun to pal around with everyone between missions. It fulfills that living with the Avengers fantasy. Though they should have gone all the way with the dating as the X-men, Avengers, and every Marvel team dates within it's ranks. But going to the Book Club and analyzing the different opinions on the books really tells you a lot about the characters.
@@ombra711 That and I was also thinking, "Don't most games have unimportant sidequests/missions to do while you should be saving the world?" It's fine to not be into it, but I think I'm just used to it in games.
Truth is with all that "verrrrryyyy seriiiouuuss" marvel cinematic universe, Marvel fans (or new ones ?) have decided they hate fun. Goofy dialogs, ridiculous scenes, relationships, oh no, PLEASE MAKE IT EPIC AND SERIOUS. Tell me more about how serious Lilith is while takin literal months to do anythin in Dr Strange's house
I really loved this game. Super bummed it didnt do well because the story and gameplay was great.
Same
Correction: Cloud Saves now work (even if they didn't at launch, as mentioned in the review)
I did see many excited for this game. But personally I was left confused and wondering who this was for. As a comic book fan and even a lover of superhero games, this left me perplexed as to why did they add all these functions. I wish a reboot of X-men legends an Marvel Ultimate Alliances.
My guess? The people who play fire emblem. That's the most popular competing franchise the xcom devs seem to be eyeing for improvements to their formula (or maybe they're just fans themselves). Particularly this seems like it might have been the idea for a gacha game at some point.
@@J3n50 They have been moving in this direction since xcom chimera squad: the friendship sim, the endless quips and dialogs, the focus on characters and stories...
Def someone who loves Slay the Spire
@@J3n50 Maybe but the writing is so bad it gets funny at some point. It feels like a dollar store fire emblem.
This game was made for people like me. I'm a Marvel Comics fan, and still have my Rise of the Midnight Suns and Midnight Massacre comics from the 90s. I'm also a fan of Firaxis's X-com games, Bioware dialogue choices, and Slay the Spire. So this game is everything I could want. Every Marvel game doesn't have to be the same. Years ago, after playing X-com 2, I thought EA should have made a Star Wars tactical RPG game, as they had an exclusive license at the time. I'm an even bigger Marvel fan, and never thought about using Superheroes, so I've been excited for this ever since the announcement at Summer Gamesfest in 2021. Don't get me wrong, I like real time action games as well. The combat in Guardians was average, but the Storytelling was great, I've spent hundreds of hours leveling all the characters in the Avengers game, which has great combat, but bad support post release for a service game. Liked most of Spider-Man PS4, ,sans the stealth missons ,and even re-bought Ultimate Alliance 1 and 2 when they were digitally re-released on PS4 and Xbox one in 2016. I also played X-Men Legends 1 and 2, 4 player on the original Xbox with friends 20 years ago, played the 3 MCU game/movie tie ins, and other things like Rise of the Imperfects, Shattered Dimensions & X-Men Origins Wolverine. We've had enough Marvel action games, and they're making more. Fans of other genres should have some Marvel Games in those genres as well.
I'm loving Midnight Suns. I don't think there is anything wrong with the dialogue in the game. It's very Saturday morning cartoon expository, because this game is made for kids to adults, and you have to introduce the characters and mythos for people who may not be Marvel fans, or only know Marvel through the MCU. So characters have to over explain and reference, and that doesn't make the dialogue bad. A lot of good character work is done in the dialogue, and it pays off because you do feel familiar with the characters as the game progresses.
If you don't like the micro management in the X-com base building, or managing relationships in Mass Effect or Fire Emblem, this game isn't going to be for you. But if you do like those things and X-com, you're going to love this.
Congrats on the channel milestone man, your my go to review guy these days and I always appreciate the effort. Keep up the good work.
Love this game! Agreed about the friendship stuff. I felt like i was playing Wish Persona. I enjoyed the abbey side once it opened out. Combat was 100% the best part, and it felt like xcom with superheroes, which was the point. I did end up getting the season pass once all the dlc characters are implemented I'll play another run and get the platinum.
I wish there was like an evil campaign or mini campaign where you could play as the various villains. Could just play the multiverse card and have the player wreck the heros/hunter.
Massive congrats on getting verified. Very well deserved
thanks for real review i'll wait till its on sale, as soon as i saw they had mtx in it was on my wait and see list.
I’m not sure why everyone says it’s a bore I enjoy the characters I’m a comic book fan. It’s a great game.
Awesome game. Been playing it since day one and still can't get enough of it. Just love unlocking new power and skill.
Waiting was a good idea. It is available for free this week. At the time of this post only roughly one more hour though.
Good vid Mortym, the channel is booming 🔥 Game looks fun but don’t think I could put slog through the writing and story for this one tbh. Perhaps on sale
I thought I was going to despise the friendship simulator, but it ended up being one of my favorite aspects of the game. I have never been big on Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider. I was always a Johnny Blaze girly. Nic Cage took my heart and ran with it. But getting to become best friends with the people in the game made me appreciate characters a lot more. Robbie might be my favorite Ghost Rider now.
I also adore getting to make my own hero in my favorite franchise. Anytime I get to do that the game gets a bonus from me. So the fact that I can say that *I* went on a mission with Spider-Man and Venom to fight demons, nets this game a win in my book.
Thanks for your review. Very interesting and informative.
Honestly going to wait till the game is heavily discounted, outside of combat the game seems like a bore. Always glad for your reviews.
I'm hoping it will go in PS Plus Premium or something for free. I'll prob wait for a few years and when it pops up free somewhere I'll take advantage
@Tyler Vincent depends how well it sells, i notice if it doesn't they will put it out on gamepass or psn plus to inflate the sale numbers
There is actually a whole lot of great features in the game outside of combat.
Point Taken, however, every review I've seen has listed Story and Character as a negative of the game and that is a significant requirement of mine, in a game like this. In several games I can look past such things when they aren't the focus or main selling point, so for example I love the Mass Effect series and Andromeda failed to live up to its own standard, I still played it, still liked it but I hated paying full price for it at launch. These days I wait for reviews and price drops to fit its worth, in my eyes at least. Also, the microtransaction for skins in an SP game is a massive red flag and I don't want to do anything that the publishers see as acceptance of this terrible direction in game development.
and even in combat it looks to get repetitive pretty quickly
This is the review I've agreed with most about this game. I was a bit worried for the first few hours, but I enjoyed XCOM so much I wanted to give it a fair shake, and so far I agree, the combat is a lot of fun. The positioning and knocking enemies around reminds me of Into the Breach a bit.
That said, I definitely found myself cringing at a lot of the dialog and wondering what those poor VAs were thinking having to read that. At least it settles into more simple corny fun (instead of just corny) a few hours in.
I heard the intro complaint before i had no issues with it whatseover
This was my favorite game of last year, easily. The combat was so damn good!! I hope that they take this system and use it in a lot more games. With some enhancements like adding verticality to it. I agree that the first few hours were a little rough, but I actually enjoyed the story and writing a lot. Now, I am a total Marvel guy so that definitely helps, but I'm not gonna lie. At the end before the final battle, I got a little misty, especially when talking to Charlie. It's such a shame that this game wasn't more successful. I think that the card-based aspect of it was a hard no for a lot of people that were already TRPG fans.
Yeah guess the jokes did not land for you. I agree the start of the abbey stuff is not great, but they have some amazing jokes, and there is SO MUCH Dialogue, from you talking to people and other people having conversations not involving you that you can overhear. Look me a while to get into it, but it really added to the atomosphere for me. And some of the writing is really really good.
I particulary liked Blade teasing Robbie about not knowing the location of Transia on a map. I guess the joke is a bit meta as Transia is a fictional country, so kinda hard for anyone to put on a map :D, but it made me laugh.
Nice review, I knew as soon as I saw it that this was my type of game. Extremely happy with my purchase.
I am surprisingly really really liking the game
This game was so amazing. Glad I tried it during free play days. I was hooked after 2 hours. I’ve beat it on every single difficulty and have nearly 500 hours played. It’s amazing!!
This is such an excellent game. Shame is so slept on.
Just bought it on Epic for like 30-40% off, finaly a price im willing to pay.
Seems it could be damn fun. But wooow, instantly when i start the game, it takes me to the shop haha.
Wow, you summed up my sentiments almost exactly. Got it free from Epic and the beginning was pretty boring : I felt like I had to power through 30 minutes of boredom to get 10 minutes of exciting fight. I was on the verge of stopping it, but then the game opened up, the dialogues/friendship simulator took less room, and the combat was more front and center. And the combat is super fun! I also like the strategic element (building decks, sending heroes on ops, etc.), but there are some irritants (having to move around the Abbey and different menus to burn, build and upgrade cards is annoying). I'm still playing it and do lots of side missions, but I'm having a blast. I just skip most dialogues to get to the fun faster, and it's helping a lot.
Thanks for this review ans all the others! I enjoy your content. :)
Bought this game after watching deadpool and wolverine movie and wow this game is soo good, i wanted to play a game with blade and thats exactly what i got.
Thanks for the info m8. Most of the people is saying the microtransactions are there to ruin the game but you clarify it definitely has no impact and no p2w like Ubisoft has done so many times.
Congratulations btw
It's a single player game, so it doesn't matter in the slightest if it's pay to win. The problem is that there's MTX at all.
@@-Monad- it matters. Features, equipment, missions, loot boxes with overpowered weapons or cards... Ruins the player experience
For anyone curious, the first 5 hours are Captain Marvel missions.
Glad to see this review, wasn't at all interested when I heard about this game but heard so much good stuff I'm really interested bow and would love your opinion.
I wish we can carry over our Ability cards for new game plus. It will help a lot in tackling higher difficulties. So we don’t have to grind those abilities over and over again everytime we start new game plus
so realistically, I couldn't fight Venom at the clock tower - on the hardest unlocked difficulty - with my endgame cards.
only ever, would I be able to do is - Fight Venom on the Hardest Difficulty, with current cards only.
Thanks for making the video, had no idea of the channel but yt algo popped up.
I got the legendary version of this game 2 days ago during BFCM sale for around USD26.30. I had read into a ton of reviews and it is the only game I bought during this black friday.
About 10 hours in right now and I don't regret buying! Agree that it probably doesn't needed the friendship sim, if they wanted it to work, they should've invested more into it as a dating sim instead.
New Game Plus lets you START with the Hulk. He's a beast at all levels.
Honestly have not been able to put this game down.
While a small amount of the writing can be very cringey, the overall story has been very good so far. I forget off hand if this game is T or M, but I think they may have toned down some of the dialogue in an effort to market to a larger audience.
The friendship system has been a fun addition to me. Although some of the reactions to the dialogue options seem to make no sense, I think it's a fun mechanic that really speaks to fans of the Marvel universe.
I do, however, agree that the gameplay, which I thought I'd have to suffer through to enjoy the other parts of the game, has been very well implemented and, most often, the perfect blend of challenging & fun. The only other TRPG I've played was Mutant: Year Zero, which I really liked, but thought was too challenging and complicated for a fringed fan of the genre, like me, to fully enjoy. This game is very, pick up and play, friendly, while offering a deeper challenging aspects to get those fulfilling 3 star mission ratings.
This game is amazing for someone that never played a game like this. I’m enjoying it.
Agreed most definitely.
First time I’ve ever disagreed with Mortim so strongly. I really liked this game, I loved seeing new sides of the mainstream characters, like tony starks aversion to magic, and dr stranges struggles with failure. And learning more about characters I’m not as familiar with. I’m not saying the early writing is perfect but it doesn’t assume u know everything about these characters and u spend time hashing that out, and learning what Lilith is and what she’s capable of. So that stretch where you aren’t as free to do what you want when, it’s purposeful, and the idea is your hunter is legendary, and trying to earn the trust and reputation you’ve been built up on by your historic deeds. Very unique marvel experience!
Its free now in Epic Store
Just bought it on sale 5 mins ago!!! Lmaoooo steam deck on my plane rides to and fro from work will be a blast now. Thanks for the review
Same here, but 3 months into the future from your comment haha
I tempered my expectations after seeing the gameplay and I lost 65 hours of my life in the first 5 days to the game. Max friendships, max levels and perfect decks by the final mission.
even played enough to unlock the correct colors for their midnight suns suits. I loved the game. hooked me in from the first hour. there were noticable bugs but i really loved the experience.
Gonna wait for all the DLC before new game+ though. also fighting the bosses in random missions didnt happen as often as id like.
I’d be interested in a quick video going over the builds you ended up using for each hero
Oh and my expectations were low as i thought of it as a dumb down version of any TRPG, but at least they managed to write good combat. I will pick it up maybe in the future
Just got this game for free with my RTX 3070 (Christmas gift) and loving it so far. I was a big comic book nerd in the 70s and early 80s, and this game is just checking a lot of my nerd boxes for me.
Missed opportunity to release this review at Midnight. Maybe if we haven’t been beaten senseless with superhero films the past decade I’d probably check this out.
I just picked this game up on a steam sale and I don't regret it. I agree with most of yoyr assessments, but the combat really does carry the game past it's shortcomings.
I completed it and jumped straight into new game plus I’m now playing the hunter as a tank with counters and heroism build
I just got the legendary edition for 20$. I shall see
As an update, I'm enjoying this game a fair bit, which I didn't expect with the card mechanics. However I've noticed my clear times starting to drop, and out of curiosity I looked up a video of a couple people playing at higher difficulties and levels, and I got to say I didn't like what I saw. They were clearing an encounter in 1-3 turns, but it was like 40 minutes of playing free cards to stack redraws and just continuously cycling cards for quick attacks, free play mark cards, and heroism to spend on environmental attacks. This aspect of playing the *deck* as opposed to playing the heroes vs the enemies is exactly the kind of thing that made me wary of using cards as part of the game in the first place.
I found the dialogue to be more fun at the beginning before every character was either complaining about no one saving a particular character yet, and before the grand "you're in charge Hunter" jamboree that was immediately followed the next morning with, "I forbid you to do this Hunted." Between that and every character blaming themselves for things, the bickering, etc. the friendship simulator was not fun for large chunks of time. Also for a game called Midnight Suns, it felt like the Avengers were the heroes. But combat is great, love the animations.
Nice review I subscribed to your channel
Yeah I was really hesitant on buying this game especially after I saw that it had microtransactions and were selling single DLC characters for 15$ each but I got this game recently for like 25$ and will start playing it soon. by the way you channel and reviews are awesome.
Waiting for a sale on this one.
I love the community you're building. All I see in your comments is love for games, thoughtful critiques, and respectful disagreement. I started watching you because I wanted to learn how to play BG1, but I'm staying because you have the best community in gaming. Keep it up!
Interesting review! So I guess their plan should be to make a new game with this combat system, but with a good story attached.
Yeah was hoping for Victor Doom being the Villian since it was his voice at the end.
You won me from a pass, to a wait for complete edition and deep sale.
I would say if you can get the game for around 30 USD, it would probably be worth it. One playthrough is likely to be around 30 to 40 hours minimum.
Always wait for a sale
@@O-D-X I got this for 30 it's def worth it for that price
I get your issues. But for me I love the comic like conversations, friendship stuff and the combat is very fun, I'm looking forward to to dlcs
I agree with everything here.
I use the escape button to skip everything that is not combat but the combat is a super fun experience
I do have issue with the character unlocking stuff I've been playing nearly 15 - 20 hours and I've not unlocked scarlet witch wolverine or hulk which is fine but it's a bummer to he excited to play characters and them be locked out due to story reasons especially when the story is not interesting to me.
I do also think they could have done a better job of adding some general support abilities for different characters. It's a little tied to doctor strange and nico. I'd like to see what a more support focused ghost rider could do with one or two extra abilities in there purely for support
"I use the escape button to skip everything that is not combat"--I was trying not to do that...but I think that will be my new approach.
I'm undecided about buying the game because I'm only interested in combat. So, when you say 'skip' by hitting the escape button, you mean you skip the entire scene or just one single sentence? Thanks
@F. Z. I mash escape to skip each little bit of speech but for some cutscenes you can hold esc to skip the whole thing.
Ive got wolve, but stuck so i cant progress no more.
Got it free on Epic and I’m having a blast. :)
Thanks for your hard work.
The game needs MP like darkest dungeons Circus. It's card battler with some really deep tactics to the combat. That would be so much fun
I picked this game up recently during a Steam sale, and I was pleasantly surprised by it! I remember seeing ads for the game and wanting to give it a shot, but never got around to it. I was surprised to find out that the game was considered a failure. I hope we at least get an expansion out of Firaxis, because I gave up any notion of a sequel after hearing that.
Critically it did well, it just didn't sell enough, as for expansions I wouldnt count on it but they did put out four character DLC
Great review! Good combat is good enough for me but I don't intend to play this for a long while... Too much on the backlog so I certainly won't be overpaying
Thank you
Praise the 100% god
Thanks again, you saved me when the game released and today you save me again from throwing away my money.
The tactical part I want to play, but that friendship simulator is a real showstopper for me… however I am not shitting on those who do.
I feel bad that you haven’t given the master peace a chance due to optionally speaking to the other midnight suns 😂 L
How does one 100% a game so quick? thats crazy fast lmao
This is my job and I do it 7 days a week at indeed about 8-10 hours a day
Waiting on a sale myself. How long does it usually take for a game to go on sale on Steam?
While I normally think very highly of your reviews, I have to challenge you on your scathing critique of the writing. While it's not gonna win any awards for originality, it's certainly up to the standard of most video game writing. While I understand that the relationship building elements sometimes feel out of place given the context of the story, I'm curious what you find so bad about the writing.
While the friendship dialogue could be pretty dumb, it felt comic book dumb so it didn't overly bother me. As the game went on, I actually started looking forward to those interactions just for the game lore. I also was skeptical of the card system, but I got into that as well. The thing I neglected that I wished I had paid attention to from the jump was the crafting.
God it for free on epic and for the price its very good
Ive been having such a great time with it on the steamdeck, and im not a particular fan of cards/the Avenger side of marvel. The tactical combat and FE: Three Houses social stuff loop goes down a treat
The good thing about following Mort for a long time is that you can imagine what opinion he will have on certain games. In this case it was not a surprise, anyway, excellent review.
Thanks a million for the review. I was considering this game but thought the price was too high and also assumed right away, that the story and dialogue wouldn’t be great.
So…..I’m definitely waiting for a sale before buying this game.
Buy on sale it is then. Childlike or young adult writing and narrative I can do without. If only the story and writing could be up to par as well - then I probably would buy it at full price.