Searching for Our Next Passagemaker in Mexico - Nordhavn 40 M/V Cassidy - Ep. 17
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- We just created an Instagram account to post more frequent updates: / mv_cassidy
Our Nordhavn 40 is officially on the market, listed with Larry at Nordhavn/PAE and we are on the hunt for our next boat.
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In this episode we travel to Guaymas and San Carlos in Mexico to check out the unique expedition power catamaran Domino. She is a Malcom Tennant designed 20 meter power catamaran (Domino 20) that was built by her current owners in Paraguay and launched in 2009. The performance specs of this boat are very attractive, having a proven record of crossing oceans at an average speed of 10 knots with good economy and range and ability to run at over 20 knots when needed. Domino is mentioned specifically in the latest updated edition of Beebe’s classic text Voyaging Under Power.
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While in Mexico, we also took the opportunity to do some exploring of the local area by off road buggy and got a few hours of fishing in on a local charter boat.
To close out this episode, we share our thoughts on the advantages and disadvantages of this power cat for our lifestyle and mission, and why we are back focused on the Nordhavn line for for our next boat.
Businesses in San Carlos that we highly recommend:
Adan Off Road Tours - Adan Ciapara
Phone:622-103-5108 (English) 622-150-6431 (Spanish)
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Home Run Sportfishing - Captain Jesus G. Estrada
Phone: 622-855-5267
To read more about Domino:
Yachtworld listing:
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Domino Blog:
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Avenger Yacht Sales - Marisa Velasco
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Cool new camera:
We shot most of the footage on this episode with our new DJI Osmo Pocket, which is an amazingly tiny gimbaled camera that can shoot 4k 60 fps video:
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Drone:
After our DJI Mavic Air drone flew itself into the water in Catalina, we brought the old DJI Spark out of storage for this trip:
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Watched every video, read every comment. Your family’s passion for boating, exploring, and sharing with others is infectious. I really appreciate the time you take to reply to people’s comments. You’ve created a nice community with your channel. Hope to cross paths someday.
Clint Bower - thank you! We hope to be cruising for a long time so lot's of opportunity to meet people along the way...
Hi Dougal, Jen & Cassidy,
I just found your channel today and have started watching your videos from the beginning. I am having a Sirena 58 built for me and hope to be having adventures similar to yours in about a year when it is done. I enjoy watching people like you so I can learn from your travels and also see what I have to look forward to.
I have noticed in reading comments on your videos and others that I follow that there is no shortage of people with negative comments that feel they must tell you how to live your life. I've always been from the school of if you have nothing good to say, then don't say anything. As a parent of an only child myself who is now a veterinary neurologist and one of the most amazing women on the planet one of the first things I took from your videos is how lucky Cassidy is. First you both seem like amazing, loving, caring parents and Cassidy will be having life experiences that she will build on and cherish for a lifetime. I truly love your family and your adventure and I'm looking forward to seeing what's yet to come. I'm excited for my own adventures and hope that our paths cross on the water someday. You mentioned maybe coming to Florida to look for boats. If you are ever in the Clearwater Beach/Tampa area feel free to contact me anytime. You will always have a friend and a helping hand if you need it. Godspeed,
Paul
+Paul V - Thank you for the kind words. It’s definitely an unconventional lifestyle and we expected when putting these videos up for public consumption that there would be no shortage of opinions and “advice”. We are pretty adept at filtering out a lot of it.
That said, it has been really great to get so much positive interest and engagement and we really try to reply to everyone that has questions or interesting information to share.
Finally, things are still very dynamic with respect to selling our boat and trying to get a different one but we may have some news to share soon and it is possible we could end up in Florida for a period of time. We will remember your offer!
One man at the marina told me once the two happiest moments in your boat ownership are
1* when you buy it.
2* when you sell it.
I love this cat , was reading the Dufour's blog and convinced me.
But besides of the marina cost and availability of docking the important thing is when you buy a Nordie Or Kadey is a future paycheck in your pocket. It is what it is. One cat passagemaker that can beat that question can be the Sunreef 70 power but definitely another league. Enjoy your MS56 Great ship !!
Very true!
Thanks for taking the time putting this together, look forward to following your journey. Your osmo pocket looks like a great new tool for you.
I have watched every episode and I have to say this one is beautiful, informative, and entertaining. The balance of personal space and wide wonder is excellent. I look forward to the next chapter in your cruising life.
So smart to look at other boats.....We’ve found in our search, for our needs, that Nordhavn has the best! Love the airline portion btw, I’m a retired US Airways pilot. When we finally fully retire, wife is retired teacher but I still teach pilots to fly biz jets, we will buy a Nordhavn and cruise the East coast and Bahamas.....then we hope to go to Alaska!
Can’t wait to keep seeing what you guys decide on and your next adventures!😎😎😎👍👍👍
Michael Jackson - we are definitely re-focused on the Nordhavn line but keeping an open mind...
And as you mentioned in the video, the build quality by the Nordhavn craftsmen......unmatched! I hope one day to travel there to meet them! Everyone who has raves about those master craftsmen!
I just purchased a 71 rough water 35 and think it’s a dream come true. She said, yeah, this little boat🤣😂😂😂😂 it’s a 40!
WOWI next level awesome ! maybe one day when we grow up. thanks for sharing !
Domino and the Dufour are incredebiles
I bought an Osmo Pocket and have been thoroughly pleased with it. My best footage was video'ing my granddaughter, 7, on a dancefloor at a christmas family day event at a club. She was dancing very well and I was able to cirlce her at the same time. Really really cool footage. I also used it on Christmas morning to get footage of everyone opening presents. Planning on making great use of the Osmo Pocket more and more.
Well that was an adventure to remember! Great stuff .... fun to watch!
i guess it's kinda randomly asking but do anybody know of a good site to watch newly released movies online ?
@Decker Fletcher flixportal =)
@Ethan Marvin thank you, I went there and it seems like a nice service :D Appreciate it !!
@Decker Fletcher Glad I could help =)
Thanks for another great video I wish I could afford your current Northhaven 40 I definitely buy it because I see how meticulous you are In taking care of your boat!
Nicely done video. My wife is hesitant on passage makers due to the typical speed limitations. One of the brands we like for accommodations, speed capability, design and build quality is Flemming. They're pricy and they're not Nordhavn, but might be worth a look. Good luck on your search. Looking forward to your next video.
Steve Cieri - thanks. The speed thing is definitely a mindset to which one needs to adjust. Jen had the same fears but adjusted to the lifestyle pretty well. The one thing I'll say is as long as the conditions aren't brutal, being on passage in one of the slow passagemakers is not much different than being in an anchorage as to what you can do, i.e. read, cook, small boat projects, look out the window, etc. because the autopilot is steering the boat and its usually just a nice ride.
The Flemings have a good reputation and are capable boats. But like the Outer Reef line that someone else suggested, my understanding is that they are all semi displacement hulls with relatively limited tankage and therefore not what I'd want in an ocean crosser. We actually anchored in the same cove as Tony Fleming on his boat Venture this summer up in Alaska while he was back up there exploring and filming. If you haven't seen the videos he makes, they are worth watching and Tony has a great voice for narration. Incidentally, I think I read that he ships his boat to some of the more remote locations he has visited before exploring locally.
You should have a look at the Kadey Krogen 48 Whaleback ... lots of volume. Nice second cabin for Cassidy! Krogen has few on their Brokerage page ... if you like the look, they are good boats!
I'd be living on the biggest Nordhavn I could afford. If you were into sailing the Hallberg Rassy 54 is the boat. Good luck with the search.
The only way I can imagine ever even considering a vessel like that is if I hit the mega millions jackpot.
Higher quality, dependability and maintainability, beats bigger, any day. Enjoying your vids.
Have you considered a Tug? I'm a big proponent of refitting Tugs into Expedition Yachts. Once you extract the behemoth engines they have and repower with something more befitting the new mission, you'll have freed up a lot of hull volume. To keep her on her lines you'll likely want to fill the belly with lead, but having all that ballast hunkered down as low as possible will only ad to her stability. Its a large undertaking, but in the end you'll pay a lot less for the Expedition Yacht and you'll have all the amenities you need.
David Blakock - sounds like something like that could be a rewarding project. And not an idea that I’d discount out of hand. But realistically to be able to get back out cruising actively on a new boat we are going to need something more turn key.
Rules and regulations will make this very difficult. Over 300 tons you have to be SOLAS compliant over 400 tons and also MarPol applies. Anything over 20 meters and 100 metric tons square needs to under class in the Netherlands starting Jan 1st 2019. So many Tugs will be rendered worthless in just a few days.
Have enjoyed your uploads. Glad you opted out on the Cat. We have owned about 9 boats with the largest being a 58 Hatteras. Now have a 32 Nordic Tugs. Each boat could be considered the right boat for that time in our lives. My biggest concern regarding the Cat is how difficult and expensive it would be to get berths. Given you have a child on board I suspect access to a marina would be more important than to an older couple or empty nesters. We are in the latter category and I am sure my wife would not be happy to anchor out most all the time. There is a Nordhavn 46 for sale here in San Diego that is going to sell at a very good price. Needs some work but good bones. I don't have any vested interest in this but would be happy to provide some useful info if you are interested. I made a run at it so can share some insight. We would have to give up our current slip so we will stay with the Nordic Tugs for now. Good luck with your search.
sandiegowildcat - Thanks for your comment. You are right about difficult and expensive for berths. Also difficult to find a place with a wide enough travel lift to haul in some parts of the world. Our plan while cruising is to try to stay out of marinas as much as possible - because it is one way to control expenses - but realistically we do spend time in marinas. And it's easy to try to convince ourselves that with a large boat like domino that would be a relatively comfortable platform on the hook that we could stay out of marinas even more than usual, but it does limit how you can use the boat without an unlimited budget. And like you say, its not just cost but finding space for a boat that large with a 22 foot beam.
We love San Diego and have had a few boats in the water there at various times over the past 20 years. Don't think I am familiar with the 46 on the market there but thanks for the heads up. At this point, just because of all the transaction and transition costs associated with selling one boat and getting into another boat, we don't want to do it more than once and likely want something that not a project. I realize there's always something to do on a boat and we'd assume we'd put in some new electronics on any boat, but would prefer to keep it to a minimum. And I think we are looking for something different than the N46 even though they are very proven ocean crossers.
I've owned a lot of boats in my life, still haven't found a cure for two-footitis. I can see where this boat could work well for a couple alone but I'd say that's as far as it goes. Altering it for a larger family or guests would cost more than simply finding the right boat for you and the family.
Good Guy - in the end that was what we decided. The performance specs of the big car are super impressive but we would have ended up with a way bigger project that we want to get into. The boat we settled on is turn key and has everything we were looking for.
Hope to see you guys!
Yeah..a friend of mine did the same thing. Although it looks huge there is not a lot of below deck space. Yes, he did discover that it would not fit into a standard marina berth. He had to take two, ouch. Big saloon, small cabins, poor storage. For that kind of money you could get a schooner and travel the world using the wind.
DID YOU BUY IT? What an awesome ship! Never knew these boat existed until I saw this video.
+Derek Holmberg - no. Great boat in a lot of ways but not perfect for what we want to do in the next several years.
Just discovered you. Gorgeous videography. Love the drone footage. Loved that catamaran too, but I agree with your decision to pass. That was a lot of boat. Looking forward to future videos. I wish you all the best. Jim Andersen, Cat Boat Adventures, Buzzards Bay, Massachusetts
The Cat was pretty ordinary after the luxury of the Nordhavn
if you are looking for a power catamaran, have a look at silent yacht, and get in contact with Mr. Köhler. It might be a solution. Me and my family where fixed on nordhavn. We couldnt find anything better than Nordhavn. until we found silent yacht. Its maybe not better than nordhavn but hav a look at it. smile. I wish the best for you guys and i am certain that you will carry on to enjoy this lifestyle. Have a blessed new year
You really need to check out Outer Reef. Stable, efficient, can cross oceans, builder uses every bit of space. Fit and finish is excellent.
J P - we are aware of the Outer Reef line of boats - but I wouldn't describe them as true passagemakers - more like very nice expedition style yachts for extended coastal cruising. They are semi-displacement un-ballasted hulls and don't have the fuel capacity or hulls design that we would want to cross an ocean. If they do make one that is a true passagemaker - definitely let me know..
I don't think you can beat Nordhavns. The Nordhavn MS 56, 57, and 62 would be interesting to checkout. I personally like the old 62 footer the best.(I could live on that boat.......................if I could talk my wife into it!!!)(;>)
Ref Pettinger - I’ve always loved the salty look of the N62. We never really considered one because of the price but they are starting to show up close to our price range. N57 has great performance but small inside for the size and we don’t really care for the motor yacht styling. Could overlook the dislikes though for the right 57 at the right price. Very curious about the 56MS but neither one of us has a sailing background.
@@CassidysSailingTrawler Checkout "Nordhavn 56 Motorsailer with Tokkie Elliot" on YT. Tokkie bought the 56 Ata Marie(Blue Hull) that's for sale in Florida. The Ata Marie has more room/beds below deck than some of the others with a sailing station in front of the pilot house have. Jeff Merrill has a couple of videos on YT where he talks about the 56MS.
I'm pretty sure Tokkie lives in California and would be someone to talk to. (Stay away from hull #5)(;>)
I've always liked the idea of a motorsailers. Next time you get to the port that's at 1:50 minutes into your video, give me a call and I'll buy you guys lunch/dinner. I live 30 miles North of there.
You should checkout the Aquila 44, realizing that you will need to add fuel bladders for the Pacific crossing.
S Newlamd - thanks for the suggestion. I’ve read first hand reports from delivery captains who have brought short and wide power cats like that across the Atlantic and the resounding theme is that the ride a brutal in some sea conditions. My understanding that cats are outfitted for chartering in the Caribbean tend to be heavier than one would want for ocean crossing performance and can have a punishing “slam” from the wing deck.
The design of the Domino 20 is supposed to eliminate this slam, but the trade off is obviously that it becomes a very minimalist boat - especially for the length.
All of that said I’m very intrigued by power cats and will read more about the Aquila.
awesome!
There's a nordhavn N50 in Australia for 595.000 for sale and they will bring it stateside for you I think can check on it just letting you know
I like catamaran performance and space, too. How ‘bout a 40’ expedition cat? I think a cat of any ocean going size limits marina visits to end-ties.
I have no desire to visit Mexico, sad to say, until it turns the corner away from being a narco-state. Heart of Sinaloa Cartel territory you were.
Handling a cat on the open ocean calls for some serious sailing skills, especially when the seas kick up and the wind is blowing. A family of three could find themselves in trouble pretty fast.
+Bruce Benson - we chose not to buy that boat but it’s a power cat not a sailing cat. The couple that built her put 50 thousand nautical miles on her with just 2 people on board most of the time. Very solid boat.
you are talking out of your arse bruce
the catamaran looks nice but may need some cleaning up and upgrade/refurbishing. Plus not too wide beam. Add more solar so you can stay on the hook longer
She is a nice boat and actually has solar panels over the davits that hang from the rear deck. I think that the owners are upgrading the panels too put out over 1kw (albeit there are always losses associates with solar install so the actual power to the battery bank will be something less than that).
@@CassidysSailingTrawler good drone footage
@@aponoypi - thanks. The drone that we had been using recently - A DJI Mavic Air decided to disconnect from the controller and fly itself into the water when we were on Catalina Island recently. We recovered it and sent it in along with the flight records and DJI is sending a new one under warranty BUT we didn't have it on this trip so had to use an old Spark, which is a little more challenging to use because it only has a 2 axis gimbal. It's all we had most of the time we were in Alaska though so have kind of gotten use to its limitations...
Nordhavn's are very well build. It is going to be tough to find something else withe the same quality. Not sure children really need that much room and privacy. I grew up in a family of 7 in a house with 4 bedrooms that was standard in the 70ties. And we were not considered a large family back then. A boat of this size will cost you about 4 times as much. Is that worth it? Teenagers will be rebellious and unhappy by definition anyway :-)
@Otosj van Tolerbok Not sure, If I had to choose between the normal crowed middle school or life at sea and in the boating community..... I have made more friends in the last year living onboard full time then in the 48 years before :-)
Otosj van Tolerbok A pet!
They just looked at a better, safer, higher quality boat than a nordhaven right here in this video.
I must have missed a few episodes, last I saw your were photographing glaciers and now your in Mexico looking at a power-cat. lol. It will be interesting to see what you end up buying. Still considering a larger trawler?
Astrodiver 1 - if anything I think we are more focused on a larger Nordhavn. Keeping an open mind as to exactly what boat at this point though.
There's alot nordhavn. 62 in florida that will fit all your needs the boat name is moon river look on the nordhavn boat listing and you will see it it's at indian harbour florida check it out
Barry Ness - Thanks. That boat is on our radar screen and appears to be a lot of boat for the money. She may be under contract though even though it doesn't say so on the listing.
Always happens. Smart move
George Mulligan - awesome boat in many ways but we decided it’s not the right boat for us at this time.
I assume you are going to look at the Tennant 58 in Ft L. As a long time N47 owner I am well aware of their performance limitations and am researching powercats also. Please post a video of the Tennant but don’t buy as I have my eye on it also. 😉
Gregory Beckner - I assume you are referring to Ambush? Looks like another interesting boat. There's another Tennant design in Florida called Kiwi that is a 52 with a 33' beam - looks incredibly well laid out but not an ocean crosser.
I really like the idea of ocean crossing power cats but they all have the same unknowns and risks being mostly 1 off custom builds. Money no object we'd jump into one and try it first hand, but the reality is that we have a limited budget and need to consider an exit strategy when done cruising. The Nordhavns are a known entity with an established and strong resale market.
And your comment about looking but not buying it is funny but we also had the same idea about Domino at first. $700k seemed like a steal for such a capable boat when looking at the performance specs and capabilities of the boat so we were kind of keeping it under the radar. The reality is that these boats are a small niche market with in the already niche market of ocean crossing powerboats so there seems to be a very very small pool of potential buyers.
Domino really does seem like a great and well built boat to serve her intended mission though, and I hope that the sellers are successful in finding her a new crew; they seem like great people.
Do you still have your N47?
M/V Cassidy
We owned our 47 for 10 years/4000+ hours on the main. East coast Florida to Nova Scotia, Bahamas, Bermuda. Absolutely great boat except I never felt comfortable with the “get home” solution so refused to venture too far. We sold 3 years ago for a variety of reasons, mostly work stuff and are now shopping again. The long distance powercat is intriguing. When you look at Ambush find out why there is only 250 hours on the engines of a 2008 boat. Usually this is not a good thing. Diesels need hard work on a regular basis. If you go ahead your prebuy needs to be meticulous in this regard. I have excellent resources in Florida. Contact me offline at gbeckner47@gmail.com if I can be of assist. We are also the parents of an only daughter. She is grown now and we miss the “Cassidy” days. Thanks for posting your videos.
You all should check out older Cheoy Lee LRCs. They are very well built (by a commercial yard - possibly over built) trawler style yachts although not as purpose built as Nordhavns, but also nowhere near as expensive. The interiors are a bit, er, traditional, but very well built. reviews.boatquest.com/boat-reviews/used-boat-review-cheoy-lee-66-lrc/
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Seahorse 52 for sale in Marina Del Rey as well as the original Nordhavn 46.
winty - I saw that Seahorse 52 listing on Jeff Merrill's website a week or so ago and at first glance it looks like lot of boat for the money. A couple of things stand out to me though - it only carries a little over 1000 gallons of fuel which isn't really enough to provide pacific ocean crossing range in a boat that size, and no mention of stabilizers in the listing.
The N46 is obviously the boat that set the standard for small ocean crossing powerboats. They are proven and well known. Theres some things I don't like about them that are more preference things. Most of them have metal tanks, although they seem to have held up well over time from what I can tell. I don't like the sliding doors vs. the swing doors with dogs on the newer boats, and the canoe stern makes the cockpit relatively small and irregularly shaped.
Horizon PC 55 and 74's are nice cats. Interiors are pretty much on par with nordhavn. In saying this, I'd much rather have the Nordhavn over a cat for the room and quality of build.
What did it cost to go looking at a boat that you had doubts about to start with ?
None of these boats are inexpensive. Domino is a unique boat and we were very interested. The cost of traveling to see her is honestly trivial compared to the cost of acquisition and ownership of these boats and we felt it was worth seeing. Plus - we love Mexico and traveling in general so it was overall a great experience.
Go check out a diesel duck!
I know probably a million people have asked you this but what are you selling the 40-foot nordhavn for I'd watch you guys and awesome videos Vegas bill peace
+Bill Van Den Ouden - do you mean our asking price or why? If it’s the former- here’s a link to the listing:
www.nordhavn.com/brokerage/listings/cassidy/
If why are we selling - we’ve indeed answered this a lot but I don’t mind sharing again: mainly for a little more space - more room for our daughter as she gets older, a proper helm chair for passages. It was a tough decision as the 40 is an incredible boat and probably burns less fuel than any of the other Nordhavn passagemakers.
Is a bigger Nordhavn too expensive or something you think about?
Zarih Sundberg - in the end we did end up with a larger Nordhavn - the 56 Motorsailer
Great video guys! A 65 foot cat should give you more space than what this offered. BTW - what is the name of the Music around the 19 min. mark ? Very Nice Spanish guitar.
Love your daughter's eyes.
Where is your Nordhaven listed for sale? I like the way it's set up.
Mike Lomeli - she’s listed with the PAE/Nordhavn brokerage.
Would have been nice to know the price range as well as see the engine room and systems.
victor van dyke - they are asking $700k for Domino and there’s a link to the listing with a lot of photos in the description for this video.
Anyone know the name of the music 🎶 around the 12 minute mark? Cheers 👊🙂
Do you guys work from the boat to generate an income? I'd like to do something similar however even if you can afford to purchase a boat like this, keeping a steady income while traveling all the time would be hard! I work professionally on boats so know the life well and the costs that can come with it!
♦️My fantasy for a upcoming vlog...... M/V Cassidy meets Aboard Mermaid Monster.
Can you make that happen? Please?
You mention flying to Florida to check out another boat. On Mermaid Monsters newest video, their boat is at a marina in Fernandina Beach, FL as they fly home for Christmas.
Picture this, your drone captures a amazing sunrise then lowers to reveal the M/V Cassidy trio standing on one side of the dock and Aboard Mermaid Monster on the other as the theme song from “The good, the bad, and the ugly” plays. Pan-out to include a trio walking past on the wharf. Cut to a close up shot of the trio to reveal its Ayla, Kathryn and David, a.k.a. Three@Sea. Kathryn leans close to David and Ayla then says “Look, they are raising their children as they cruise on their Nordhavn. Ayla replies “Been there...” followed by David saying “..,done that!” It wold be epic. Even if you need to use a Green Screen to pull it off.
Although you each have Nordhavns, and your production and editing are high quality with stable shots and clear audio, and you are sharing your family cruising adventures, you are going about this vlog thing different and thats cool.
To be honest, both your vlogs and Aboard Mermaid Monster vlogs are well done and enjoyable to a Nordhavn Dreamer like me.
Doug Ales - Interesting idea. We watched all of the 3@Sea videos and they were an inspiration - both to cruise while raising our daughter and to try to make videos along the way. The Mermaid Monster videos are well done and they seem like a cool family - but our paths have not crossed yet. We've got a lot of years left to cruise and a lot of cruising grounds to explore so it would not surprise me if we run into them somewhere - especially if we get a boat on the east coast...
M/V Cassidy, it’s great to read that you are open to the concept of a collaborative vlog. :-)
Why did you choose Uber? Is it cheaper?
I would love that boat but cost to drive it . house boat for sure
The whole point of a Cat is space and accommodations. If it does not have that, then why bother?
Bravo21 - I wouldn’t say that’s the whole point - at least not for a true ocean crosser. I think that because of all the space in the short and wide cats that people have come to know through charter fleets that cats have become synonymous with space.
But the advantages of a catamaran hull for an ocean crosser are many that don’t include space. Some of which are incredible efficiency at a fast cruising speed (10 knots for Domino), no need for stabilizers or thrusters so less systems to maintain, and available speed way above that of full displacement monohull passagemakers. That’s only possible if they are kept light however and that is one of the negatives as it means less accommodation.
Love your videos. Where do you have Cassidy listed? Down in Dana Point?
+Chris Boldon - she’s listed with the PAE/Nordhavn brokerage and is currently on a dock right in front of their headquarters in Dana Point.
Now that you're sold the nordhavn do you have another boat in mind?
Richard Pickard - we’ve got another boat that we should own very soon. Will post a lot of detail after the deal closes.
What about solar-power catamarans? SolarWawe-64 or, may be Silent-55?...
I like the idea and we've had the suggestion of the Silent boats before. The engineer in me is skeptical that they live up to their claims and even if we had the money to get into one, not sure I'd be willing to be a pioneer with a boat like that...
Bought a cat second boat too much cleaning maintenance went back mono cruising instead of cleaning
Mike H - one of the things I actually thought looked nice about Domino is that she doesn’t seem to have much wetted surface for the length. The waterline is around 4.5 feet above the base of the hulls so it looks like it would be relatively easy to roll on bottom paint as a do it your self job vs the irregular profiles and painting upside down required on a monohull. Lots of large flat decks to clean topsides though!
M/V Cassidy found ourselves cleaning three to four times as much as we did on anything. Else. And like you said there built cheap my nickname for ours was a floating turd it was actually junk
Mike H - that’s funny. I don’t think that cheap and light are necessarily the same. A boat can be light and still very robust. And to be fair, the build quality on Domino is impressive for a one off custom boat that was built in a yard with many challenges. And the true testament to her strength is the 50k plus ocean miles traveled to date. If the living accommodations were slightly different we could have been tempted.
Like you sound like you got a stick up your...
M/V Cassidy I may know where there is a cat for you if interested
I live in San Carlos.
We stayed in THE EXACT same rental when we came there 7 years ago.
Maybe you remember, I almost went to work for PAE back in the late 90´s.
Darrin Jones - San Carlos is a cool spot. We will get up there in the 56MS at some point.
@@CassidysSailingTrawler look us up please when you do.
Take a look at this boat. czcams.com/video/Mwa_1C1Tl_s/video.html Similar to the boat on Sailing Zatara where they have a family of six.
I was wondering why a power boat the fuel bill alone would allow a bigger sailboat boat and I think would cruise about the same speed just curious either way I like all boats and enjoy your blogs thank you!
Chad Charter - It is a very common question as the reality is very few people are crossing oceans on small power boats vs. sailing. Our research and experience has shown that the fuel bill is not the largest cost of operation and ownership and sails and maintaining a sailing rig can be expensive too. There is also the detail that we don't really know how to sail and don't like the idea of being outside on deck dealing with sails and rigging in heavy weather. You could say we are all-in on the ocean crossing powerboat idea and are not going to focus on sailing at all.
You are absolutely correct about the speeds being similar, and we will end up in a lot of the same places and anchorages as people who travel the world sailing.
I plan on cruising when I retire thanks for answering and giving me more to think about I just kinda figured sailing would be the most cost affective way . I need to take a hard look at maintaining both I love trawlers and have also never sail . Always had a fishing boat but agree about heavy,rainy cold weather I have just been eyeing dual helm PILOTHOUSE sailboats. Thanks agin for sharing CZcams has became such a awesome way to discover learn and just enjoy! Happy New Years!
If I were spending your money ..... perhaps a Kadey-Krogen 48, and the "widebody" version if possible. They have been around for a while so pricing to meet all budgets.
Fred Lamprey - we’ve only ever been on a friend’s Krogen 39 - never a 48 but they do have some nice features. The one thing I notice though is they seem to only carry 1,000 gallons of fuel so that doesn’t really seem to provide range to cross the Pacific without a fair amount of deck fuel and that is high on our list of goals.
@@CassidysSailingTrawler I've always been a big fan of the 39. Yeah, you would have to go larger then the 48' to get the big fuel tanks. I imagine crossing the Pacific is quite a bit different then cruising up and down the west coast and island hopping the Caribbean and Atlantic (my dream that I will probably never realize). Good luck with whatever you end up with.
@@CassidysSailingTrawler Have you considered Dashew's FPB?
Secret Squirrell - the Fleming’s are suggested a lot - great boats but they are semi-displacement boats and not really designed to cross oceans.
I’ve read a lot that the Dashew’s have written and admire their approach to design. That said, the FPBs aren’t being made anymore, they don’t come up on the brokerage market very often, and even if one did I’m sure we couldn’t afford it!
@@CassidysSailingTrawler Thank you for replying. I edited my comment after I had read your response to the many suggestions for Fleming. I have been hopeful that the price for FPBs would come down. I admit to not knowing what reduction only that I remain hopeful that 1) there would be even a small resale market; 2) they become 'affordable'. 'Ever hopeful', that's me. Best wishes in your search.
P.S. I think it incredibly gracious, a mark of great parents, to consider a vessel with provision for your daughter's well-being high on the list of criteria.
Luv your guys channel-well done to embrace this lifestyle! Another vlog I watch is m/v freedom out of Seattle which have a 43 Nordhaven which has a spacious full beam stateroom and adjacent entrance to what appears to be stand up engine room=very nice. Check out their boat tour.
Wade Harrison - thanks! We’ve seen their tour and a lot of their videos. The 43 is a great little boat but they are expensive compared to the 40 and not enough extra space compared to the 40 to justify the increased capital outlay plus transaction costs to move up from our boat. If we already had a 43 we’d probably be okay sticking with it for a while. But for now we are focused on something bigger....
Stay with Nordhavn.It,s a well designed boat at any size, Also a very safe boat.
I love all boats and i'm a blue water guy but y'all need to stop contemplating life and just cruise. Head straight to the BVI's and or th bahamas. Your 40N. is the perfect size boat for your family. Any bigger and it becomes an obstacle.
William Pozo - thanks for the feedback. Your point is well taken but it may be too late anyway! It was definitely not an easy decision to put our 40 on the marker.
I've never heard of tourist cards. I've vacationed in Mexico dozens of times and never got one...
Mud Puddle - the rules are always changing down there but the FMMs or tourist cards have been a requirement for a long time now. When you fly in the airlines hand them out and then customs stamps and takes half of it on the way in, leaving the other half in your passport and taking it upon departure.
Going in by car it’s a bit more hassle because you have to stop and deal with the immigration people, pay a fee if staying more than 7 days, etc. The fee is rolled in with your airfare when traveling by plane.
Here’s some info:
www.discoverbaja.com/fmm-faqs/
If you can "swing it", I'd go Bigger then '47 That's not much bigger then what you had. Maybe a 50'?
Captain Rick - the N47 has a lot of interior volume for its length. More than the N50. That said we are keeping our options open. Looked at a N57 and they have fast hulls but personally we don’t like the motor yacht styling of those boats.
I can see why you would want to go a little bigger or at least something with twin screws. I wouldn’t trust that little Diesel engine to get you anywhere if you broke down in the middle of a storm!
+Steven Pendleton - indefinitely wouldn’t want to have to run long distances on the 30hp wing engine in the 40. It pushes us at about 3.5 knots in flat water. I think the idea behind the wing though is that it allows you to maintain steerage while troubleshooting or repairing and issues with the main, or worst case maybe you do try to run downwind to the nearest safe harbor. But that could be 1400nm worst case in the middle of a pacific crossing. That wouldn’t be fun.
You have more guts than me.
I was a federal agent for 19 years and I would have never taken my child to Mexico.
Don't worry. The patrons will pay for everything like they do for all the other sailors!
Ron S - that’s not even on our radar screen as a way to fund our travels. I don’t begrudge those who have figured out creative ways to get income while cruising however. We are big fans of capitalism.
Ron, negative comments never get you anywhere but an act of kindness is huge. Cheer up old friend!
Any latest on new yacht?
+Matin Zainal - we’ve got a couple contenders. Will share more information once our 40 is sold and we close on another boat. Hopefully it won’t be long now!
WHY NOT A N50?¿¿????
Bob Black - the N50 is a great boat and from my understanding might be the most efficient hull that Nordhavn ever made.
That said, they didn’t make very many of them so there’s no inventory. We’d consider one though if the right boat was available.
All things being equal in a boat that size I think the 47 has more interior volume and a better layout but a slower less efficient hull.
Have you had a look at a Fleming 55
Peter Goodier - have not looked at one but also just replied to another suggestion of Fleming. Seem like very well built and capable boats but my understanding of their line is that they are semi-displacement, un-ballasted hulls and not what would be considered a passagemaker capable of crossing oceans safely. Lots of cross over in capabilities with these powerboats but I'd personally classify the Flemings as "expedition motor yachts" or something similar.
Definitely open to being wrong in my assumptions though - so let me know if they do make a boat that would suit our desire to cross the Pacific...
Have a look at Fleming Yachts CZcams channel the owner of the company sailed a Fleming 50 to Europe @@CassidysSailingTrawler
I watched a lot of the videos of Tony Fleming exploring on his boat Venture remember hearing or reading that they shipped the boat to Europe. Just looked at the comments from their video from exploring Norway in 2012 and found this comment, directly from Tony Fleming:
"She could by carrying extra fuel in bladder tanks. Three Fleming 55's have crossed the Atlantic. Our boats are really designed for extended coastal cruising rather than ocean crossings."
czcams.com/video/PeuRtsR8cKc/video.html
The Flemings are really nice boats, I just wouldn't want to take one across an ocean...
Magellan 53 or 66. By Azimut.
I would pass on this for sure! Why don't you look at a Sailing Cat? More room, save fuel and it's fun!
Performance stats sound great. But for what we seen , the layout of a boat that size did not impress me .
+Nick Gillon - it’s indeed an unfortunate compromise that the boat needs to be kept so spartan and light to meet the design perfirmance specs. It would be interesting to see what a production builder working with advanced composites could do as far as an interior that has more accommodations and still light. I imagine it would not be inexpensive though.
why not get a sailing trimaran instead. fuel is expensive. check out the neill 55.
ysesq - I could write pages and pages. We aren’t sailors, we like the idea of crossing oceans in a small powerboat. And fuel is not the largest expensive of operating a boat like this.
Some people love sailing and we enjoy reading about and watching vlogs of people cruising on sailboats. We just prefer to do it on a powerboat!
@@CassidysSailingTrawler lol i have a powerboat myself but crossing an ocean you get range anxiety and fuel in third world countries is often really bad or non existent sometimes.
@@CassidysSailingTrawler , same here..I'll watch them and even take day trips on them... But I'll never ever own one...
How much $$ was the cat?l
Gregg T Wooley - take a look at the listing on Yachtworld linked in the description for this video. They are asking $700k.
Umm, its been 3 1/2 weeks. Could you please upload a new video? Pretty please,... with sugar on top?
+Doug Ales - thanks for the interest in seeing more. We always enjoy your comments!
Lots of things in the works with selling our boat and trying to get into another one with minimal lapse in time between boats. Will share more information about all of this soon. Also, we do have a lot more footage from our adventures over the summer that we are scrubbing through to try to put together a few possibly interesting things.
As soon as we are back out there moving again on a new boat we hope to be putting up content more regularly. It’s been both fun and a cool learning experience making these videos so far....
I love your channel but please stay with the Nordhavn. If you buy a cat then get one that has more room, maybe a sailing cat. As you guys were talking you kept saying how good your boat is now, if you need to get a different boat (I have no idea why you would) step up to a bigger Nordhavn, you’ll never loose money.
Ice Bru - there is a high likelihood that we will end up with another Nordhavn. There are so many positive aspects to this specific cat Domino however, that we wanted to take the opportunity to look at here with the hope that we might be able to adapt her slightly to work for our needs. But it ended up bringing us back around toward focusing on the Nordhavn monohulls.
For God's sake just buy a bigger Nordhavn. They are the standard by which all others are measured. I've been on 40's and they are fairly small. Too small for me, and I have no kids to put on. Take a look at a 47, or 52, or even bigger. incredible amounts of room in these things.
+sailinstyle - the 52s are the evolution of the 47 and all of them are outside our budget. Very nice boats though. We will be looking at a lot of options over the next few months.
The music almost forced me to leave...very painful lol.
🤘💪🎄🎅👍🙂
This is a video of 2 people really jazzed about capturing their kid on video and I think trying to "grow their brand" on you tube - kitschy tourist videos and not much on real boats - at least in this episode .....
Dave Cason - thanks for sharing your thoughts. We are obviously not going to please everyone but the beauty of CZcams is that there is so much content out there that I am sure you can find something that you enjoy watching with "real boats". I will address you comment though - not exactly sure how you can infer our intent with this video or anything else that we've put on here. It started out as a way to document our journey for ourselves and friends and family and then it became clear there was a lot more interest in what we are trying to do - which is ultimately explore the world on a small powerboat while homeschooling our daughter.
We are trying to sell one boat and move into another one soon after which can be logistically challenging and require traveling all over the place to ultimately find the boat that is right for us. With this video we are just sharing some of the decision making process, whats involved in looking for a boat, and our thoughts about whats important to us in a boat. I would also like to see the owner's of Domino find her the right buyer as they seem like great people - maybe there's a small chance that featuring the boat here helps.
@@CassidysSailingTrawler Meh - no worries ......
@@CassidysSailingTrawler - you guys are doing great. Thanks for taking us along!
A 65' Cat laid out that way ...what a waste ! That would be like having a 3000 SQ foot one bedroom ranch...
Tony Alexander - it's not perfect for our current needs but we definitely understand the owner's goals when they built her. They had built in the genre of a true "passagemaker" as originally discussed in the Robert P. Beebe book Voyaging Under Power, and there are even a few pages in the latest edition of the book about power cats, specifically mentioning Domino.
M/V Cassidy Since Marie and JP were alone on the boat, they did a layout where they lived in the center of the boat...with the least motion. It was a fabulous layout for them and made a lot of sense when I was aboard. And given the long hulls and beam,which spanned wave crests, the motion was quite comfortable all the time. And to top it off, the boat could go around the world at displacement speed without buying fuel. Or more than 4000nm at 10 knots, or 2000nm at 20 knots. Something you Nordhavn fans could not even imagine.
And given the simplicity of the boat and its systems, JP could maintain everything himself, no need for experts flying in to repair stabilizers or other complex machinery. Which is why they enjoyed relaxed cruising around the South Pacific, snorkeling and diving, while the other large trawlers waited for parts.
Bill Parlatore - I hope we didn’t come across as not being fans of the boat and her capabilities. It’s quite the opposite and we were drawn for the boat for all the reasons you describe. I love the idea of two identical engines vs a different wing and main as far as spares. No now and stern thrusters or stabilizers to maintain. The performance data as far as speed, range, and economy is incredible. And the fact that they put over 50k nautical miles on the boat speaks volumes to her capabilities.
I read Marie’s entire blog from beginning to end to learn as much as I could about the boat including how she was built and run and even after we looked at her we spent time brainstorming about how we could make the space work for us.
The unfortunate realization that we came to is that despite all the incredible upsides is the boat, it doesn’t make sense for our current needs. We could easily put $100-200k into refitting her to improve the layout for our preferences and then we’d still have a one off custom boat that will be likely hard to sell when we are done cruising. And unfortunately, that is a consideration for us as we don’t have unlimited funds and will have a lot of our savings dumped into whatever our next boat is. Say what you will about Nordhavn, the reality is they have an established brokerage market and depreciate a lot less than most boats.
We think Domino is a great boat. She’s just not right for us right now. I understand the reasons behind everything Marie and JP did and she worked exactly as they had hoped for their mission.
Finally, on an unrelated note, we miss Passagemaker magazine as it was when you owned it. Still read it occasionally but its not the same!
Not a problem. I didn't take it that way. It's just that so many people buy a 65-foot boat with three or four stateroom that consume the interior possibilities, and they never use any of them except for storage. And JP reports they get close to 6,000nm at 10 knots, That is hard to beat for bluewater cruising.
Good luck with your search!
no sails = no fun
seriously though there are few more peaceful things than cruising without a noisy stinking engine (on all the time )& being closer to nature
There are a lot of people out there that pay to crew - or at least will pay a share of the cost - see crewbay et al
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You guys really need to consider learning to sail, you could get so much more for so much less. Just a thought
+jonno Rousseau - appreciate that sentiment. I think we could learn how to sail with no problem, it’s really just that I don’t like the idea of being out in the weather on watch. And honestly we really like the idea of crossing oceans under power. If we were to go sail - I’d look at something like one of the Dashew designs. There’s a pretty nice looking Deerfoot 62 in La Paz...
The Nordhavn 56 motorsailer is starting to pique our interest a little the more I read and understand how it is designed to be operated. The Hundested variable pitch prop seems really innovative.
www.silent-yachts.com No fuel, excellent warranty, lots of space. No engine room to deal with. Talk to Ed in Florida.
Robert Samsung - I admit that I am still skeptical of the claims - but time allowing I would be curious to see one.
@@CassidysSailingTrawler Did you get the email with the information on the 55?
Feel free to send again - n40cassidy@gmail.com
Why is your child and wife walking next to the traffic and not you......
Come on.. Get a Hallberg-Rassy... Not this engine only nonsense.. 😊
R.E. Hill - we wouldn’t know what to do with it! Your timing with the comment is good though as there is a really nice Nordhavn 56 motorsailer in Florida that just had a price reduction - I was just browsing the listing out of curiousity
@@CassidysSailingTrawler I watched a few of those motorsailer vids despite not being in the market for one. I like them although they have a deep keel which would limit access to certain areas. Did you feel unsafe at all on the 6 hr bus ride?
Beachcomber - not unsafe at all. It’s actually a comfortable bus. We were really only concerned because the bus driver didn’t want to stop because were the only people on the bus that needed to tourist cards and our Spanish is terrible. A goal is to try to learn Spanish well enough to communicate better while we cruise Mexico.
Anyway - I know there’s a lot of bad stuff going on in parts of Mexico with the drug cartels and I’d say we have a healthy sense of caution about it. Growing up in San Diego I spent a lot of time in Tijuana and deep into Baja and have a pretty good feel for places to stay away from. Parts of Oakland are way more scary than anything we experienced on this trip.
@@CassidysSailingTrawler well, the the boat.. No hallberg Rassy, but at least it has sails...😊 Looks to be a very nice boat. Congratulations and safe travels. 😊
Rich people problems eh
Carp Spudpicker - I was so tempted to just not engage that comment - but what the heck - got a few minutes to kill in the airport so here goes...
It’s interesting that you assume we are “rich”.
I can assure you everything we have in life is the result of incredibly hard work and years of saving.
If I see someone who appears to be successful, I am curious as to what they did to achieve success. Envy or anger towards them seems very unproductive.
We are far from “rich” but I don’t begrudge anyone who has achieved financial success as the result of hard work. Even if someone was given money from a chance they were born into a family with money...why is that my business?
CZcams is great - there is so much information available and the best thing about it is you don’t have to watch anything that you don’t want to. We are sharing our journey so that it might inspire and help people to live their dream. If watching evokes negative emotion - I’m sure you’ll find something else to watch.
Please don't adopt the walking, talking, selfie thing. Video and then narrate over them or do the seated conversations. I always see the lazy and vain vloggers do the selfie and that's not you.
On the positive side, you do a great job with the live annotations on your videos. I don't see many vloggers do it at all and you do it well. Especially your paravane video.
Joe User - thanks and your feedback is well taken.
This was kind of a different video for us and I just got the new little gimbal camera delivered a day before we left so we were shooting all kinds of different footage to experiment. I’ve always thought it was kind of weird to walk around looking at a camera but the little Osmo Pocket is really so small you can hardly see it. Even without doing the “selfie thing” I think it’s going to allow us to capture a lot of cool footage in the future because it’s so easy to take it out and shoot.
I thought is brought a nice presence to the journey, and the sit down with your thoughts of it all left a understanding of it and what’s next . Thanks for sharing let’s see more boats👍👍
A Sail Cat is Okey, but stay away from a Power Cat......47 Nordhavn will be the best of the best.
Rule #1 : people sell boats for a reason... Most are trying to recoop a loss. Few like yourself just need a upgrade.
I know the designer of these boats they are good , but can you afford to run it , seriously it’s about $60 a klm not cheep
gess ges - if you’re referring to Domino - she was designed by New Zealander Malcom Tennant who unfortunately died in an accident in 2008. And this specific boat has incredibly good economy which was one of the reasons we had a lot of interest.
M/V Cassidy he happened to be my neighbour ,you tell me what the economy could be
gess ges - wow that’s cool. I’ve got a plot of fuel burn and speed vs engine rpm that the owners shared. I can send via email if you drop us a line at n40cassidy@gmail.com
M/V Cassidy this boat is big heavy , it’s interior space wows everybody But it’s old thinking in the hull shapes , heavy, where’s as modern shapes are doing 30 knt these days ,so good luck on your purchase
gess ges - we aren’t buying the boat - the interior is actually pretty spartan on Domino if you look at the listing. But for a 20 meter boat that weighs 50,000 pounds the performance seems very good - especially compared to a monohull. We are likely going to end up with another Nordhavn.
Never heard of global warming? What kind of world do you want to handle your daughter? She's gonna live this lifestyle go get a sailing catamaran. Burn next to nothing you could even an electric version. Plus you have lots of room and it would be easy to live as a family on
60$ in fuel cost per hour seems a waste of money a sailing cat is so much nicer and has 2 engines for when you need them. Do yourself a favor and attend a boat show and get on a sailing cat before you right them off.
+Roger Spinks - not sure how you are calculating $60/hour? A cat like Domino will burn 4-5 gallons an hour at a normal cruise speed. More than a boat that is actually sailing sure. But not $60/hour.
I would like to see the boat. Not the little girl