Fujifilm XF 23mm F1.4 WR LM Review (compared to the original 23mm F1.4 R)
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
- We're pretty impressed with the Fujifilm 23mm f1.4 WR LM - we tell you why in our review. We also compare it to Fujifilm's original 23mm F1.4 to see how they compare.
Full resolution Fujfilm XF 23mm F1.4 photos from this video:
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0:00 - Intro
0:51 - Sample images
1:13 - Build and design
2:10 - Autofocus
2:44 - Macro performance
3:19 - Sunstars
3:55 - Video performance
4:57 - Bokeh
5:36 - Sharpness
6:48 - Should you buy it?
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Jordan loves that “go down the hill and I’ll stay up here” shot.
That bitter lemon smile Chris does when talking about the 35mm focal length is hilarious
Finally!!! I’ve heard so much about the 33mm but it’s about damn time I get to hear more about the 23mm because this actually interests me!
Just bought the original Fuji 23mm 1.4 and this is a great lens. Images are fantastic and they have character. Really can’t understand some of the negative comments about this lens. Also some great deals now on these original Fuji lenses which is a bonus.
Just spent another 5 days in Calgary (3rd trip). It really is great there! Bombed around a bit on a scooter, looking out for you guys, and enjoyed loads of sunshine and pleasantness. It was fun spotting locations from so many of your videos. Couldn't find any puddles though - too much sun!
They use portable puddles for their location shoots. Patent pending.
Came for the lens review, stayed for the ever changing and unique measurement scales
I really like the new sharpness test! Makes it a lot easier to see and compare performance between lenses
I bought the 18 1.4 linear motor instead, as it’s so sharp I can crop if need be and it makes for more scene options at a wider 27 mm view.
Oh boy I'm first. Been waiting for your review since the X Summit announcement of this new len. I love my 35mmF2 though :) and looking for 23mm. The new 23mmF1.4 is huge!
Thanks for reviewing Fuji's new 23mm WR lens, and for your reviews of other Fuji products -- I find them very useful. I've ordered the 23mm WR lens and look forward to using it.
Thanks, Jeff.
This video looks amazing!
Dying to see your Viltrox review, as the price difference is substantial
Beautifully unreal colours all around you guys 😍
Wow, Chris is looking forward on testing Viltrox 23mm. That's an improvement.
I really look forward seeing your reaction after seeing purple fringing in Viltrox's trio
I feel like Jordan might be pointing a gun at him to get him to say that line
I'm happy to play with Viltrox. Always have been. We've just never had an in with the supplier to try out their gear, but we are working on it.
@@niccollsvideo Love that!
Purple fringing in that trio makes them almost unusable. The 85mm 1.8 is the only one decent, in my opinion.
one thing i loved about the viltrox's 23mm is the autofocus pull- its damn good for video imo
Love the sharpness chart tests :)
would love to see a head to head comparison between the new fuji primes (and maybe some of old ones) but compared to the Viltrox line
Gotta love all this gorgeous Fuji content coming from DPRTV recently, keep em coming =)
Actually think now is a good time for me to upgrade from my beloved fuji x-e2, owned it donkeys years now, and while it still works, more resolution would be nice but I have no idea what fuji to go with next, the x-s10 and x-t30 are both looking like viable options right now though, along with their 50mm f2 lens, should be a nice little set up for my portrait work!
X-S10 is amazing - small(ish), super comfortable grip, amazing IBIS, custom settings C1-C4.. Love mine!
@@mgurmgur2 I agree!
I jumped from an xe2 i used for like, 4 years, into an xt5, and it was night and day lmao. Reignited how much i love photography.
I used to love the old Fuji 23mm 1.4, paired it with a short tele. Not a big fan of that focal anymore though, more into 35 + 16 pairing nowadays.
Thanks Chris. I am going to Joshua Tree in early November and so wanted to take the 23mm 1.4 with me but it is not released until the end of the month. I was almost ready to buy the older version but I am now sold on waiting.
In latest body models of Fujifilm, you can go to menu - settings - button/dial and adjust the speed of manual focus (focus ring operation) from linear to non-linear, that'll solve the problem.
That natural rim lighting at 4:47. 👌🏼
Another thoroughly useful (and at the very least mildly entertaining ;) review. In particular it is helpful, even if frustrating, to hear of the poor manual focus feel on this and the other new LM Fuji lenses. This is a super important point you guys have raised. However I don't shoot video at all yet it is the fact that I am a landscape photographer, with my XT4 permanently switched to manual focus mode, that makes this such a deal breaker - maybe you could mention this alongside your comments regarding videography/manual focus?!
Is manual focus for landscape photography important? Pretty much all landscapes are shot at f/8 or f/11 right? Wouldn't everything in infinity be in focus regardless of manual of AF-S?
@@professionalpotato4764 yes often a landscape shot is taken at infinity, but the exact infinity focus point on a lens can change due to temperature and pressure differences, so it is usually wise to check manually. However, more pertinently for my work, I do also take plenty of 'landscape' shots at closer range, i.e. not at infinity. For these kinds of shots the object in focus may be a part of a tree or other foliage that is hard to isolate using autofocus, but very easy using manual focus with magnification. The jumpy manual focus feel of some autofocus lenses is a royal pain in the *** for these kinds of situations. Sanity check: I know that I am not the only photographer who often shoots in this way ;)
@@itsmrjack_ Ahhh I see, that's interesting to learn about. And yes I do agree that regardless of use case, lenses with jumpy manual focus rings are a massive pain. I kinda wish lenses these days had a mechanically coupled ring instead of focus by wire.
At 6:35 the threads on the leafs (of the corner sharpness) are better on the older lens. So glad I have the older one.
Those colors! So nice!
grea comparison!
What did you use to record this video? Excellent quality
He s EXCITED to play with IT!!
Going back through some of my old photos, the original 23mm has taken some of my best shots. For my tastes, it’s really not that slow and is incredibly sharp. Close focus is a bit of a let down, but that’s it. One of Fuji best lenses. Still great they are remaking so many, as the originals drop in price - so others can enjoy the optics that made Fuji so well loved.
Older lenses have that certain "it" factor you can't really describe. I think a lot of the newer lenses tend to be almost... too sharp?... if I can call it that. Sort of takes some of the artistic mystic of the image out of the picture (literally).
@@andychandler3992yup. The old ones have beautiful imperfections which make photos look filmic. The new ones are clinical like Sony
@@andychandler3992 yeah those older ones have their own unique look. I think theres a quote from sigmas ceo I think, saying its easier to make a sharp lens then one with character
It would be interesting to do a review of this lens with the new Fujifilm cameras with the 40 megapixel sensor.
Hey... How do this new lenses perform in a camera like the XPro 1?...Will you make a video on it?
What did you guys film this on... the colors are popping
Please say what camera and lens was being used for this post. The color and detail is impressive.
i watch your videos strictly for the sarcasm and you never disappoint ;)
What were those weird units of measurements you used for weight? My brain only works in fractions of a Noct so I’m stumped with the numbers quoted in this video.
I like you and 35mm equivalent lenses. Hoorah!
Did you mix up the pictures? At f2.8 in the corner the old one looks quite a significantly sharper to me!?
Perfect timing for the new 23mm as I've been longing for one for a while now. Currently on the 16mm f1.4 and it's beautiful, but it's just that little too wide for my mostly-portrait work. Thank you guys for the excellent review! I'm amped for the new 23! Any possible MSRP yet by any chance?
$799
You’ll really regret selling the 16mm - it’s a beast, such a great lens and you’ll miss those cinematic wide but shallow shots!
I have the 16, the 56 and the older 23. The 23, despite is downfalls is still by far my favourite. Such a natural feeling focal length. Wide enough to set the scene, but still looks natural. When it nails focus, it’s incredible. But it misses a lot, it’s slow and noisy, and not weather-sealed… if this new one solved those issues whilst still keeping the originals lovely characteristics then I’m sooooold. Can’t wait to get my hands on one, but can’t bring myself to sell the 16 or 56 to do it! Haha
Did you buy the lens :)? I own the 16mm f1,4 as well, but think about adding the new 23mm f1,4 to my collection.
Video looked great! What was this filmed on?
Maybe a new camera they are not allowed to disclose? That they did not say which camera was used is suspicious. 🤔
Maybe they just thought we wouldn't notice. Hah!
@@schimaere That's what I'm thinking......anyone want to guess as to what it is? GH6? Nikon.....whatever they are calling it?
@@MichaelRichards983 there's a new flagship Fuji X coming out...could be a preprod model?
Panasonic BS1H, your comment is on that recent video ;)
I appreciate the new rule! For the millions of us that love 35mm it's nice to have less whining 🤓
I think it's a great compromise, because there's also people like me who love how much personality they inject into their videos, and we're here for the humor.
I’ve been super satisfied with the pleb-level Fujicron 23/2 on my X-Pro 3. Wish there was a way to justify the premium on this big boy.
How does this lens compare with the 18mm F1.4 in terms of image quality?
I watched an older video on lumix 70-300 where you said it did not resolve enough for higher MP cameras.
Should this distinction be part of a chart, where a class of lenses are defined as the cameras they can resolve to? Just looking at price and other videos about the lens mentioned above does not explain this. It is a testament to the immaturity of the youtube scene. Compare it to overgaards video on the S1R and SL2 where he compates old lenses to new lenses on new cameras.
Best regards
6:34 Is the new lens suffrering from vignetting here (at wide-opened)?
I wish Sigma makes one for APSCs
Chris, you failed to mention the xf23 f/2 as an option. We often shoot stepped down anyway. Surprised given how much you love that focal length.
I've been looking into a 23mm F1.4 for shooting b-roll with lots of bokeh and also for low light situations. Do you think the F2 variant would be sufficient for that as well? I like that it's way smaller, lighter, and cheaper than the F1.4.
@@stefandesu f2 is a no go for low light
Looks like a nice lens, but I don't get why the linear focus motor and manual focus clutch are mutually exclusive. Is this also the case with other brands that have manual focus clutches?
By the way, did Chris stick to his promise or did Jordan just cut out all but one of his many complaints in editing? ;-)
Regarding video quality, I thought it looked a bit like overcooked HDR
(Edit) rewatched it and it's actually only the shot starting at 0:30 with a backlit Chris in front of the river that looks unnatural to me, the rest looks fine
Test out the Tokina 33mm 1.4 vs viltrox 33mm f1.4
I would love to see a video on Chris and Jordan’s favourite photographers and videographers.
Chris's favorite videographer is Jordan, and Jordan's favorite photographer is Chris.
@@hameed 😃😅
What kind of measurement are you using? Kiwi? What is it in metric noct?
Nice & Thanks :)
Nice! Please test the Viltrox lenses! Best prices for inmortals, thanks!
Would like to see a head to head comparison between Chris and Jordan. Your heads. Compared, just like lenses.
I’m excited about this lens and have it on pre-order. Having said that, I have a suggestion or request. Could you create an episode comparing current high end full frame combinations (such as an SL2 with an SL Summicron) with the GFX 50S II and GFX 100/100S and lens? I say “and” because I am also curious how the 50MP and 102MP versions compare since they are using the same size sensor and thus reducing the pixel size. My basic question is whether high end lenses, such as the SL Summicron line, designed to resolve well beyond 100MP, make up for the somewhat smaller sensors in full frame systems. I know it is largely a question of the viewer’s impression, and I would love to hear your discussion.
It's funny that the 23mm F2 generally gets left out of the conversation any time someone talks about the 23mm lenses. The 23mm F2 is such a good lens (especially considering that it's half the price and size) that it deserves to be included in the conversation.
It’s a 2.8 equivalent (actually f3) for depth of field so I think that is why but it is a very nice little lens
This episode was shot on WHAT CAMERA?! lol
What was this video shot on? Also the XF23mmf1.4RLMWR?
Still waiting for my Fuji 27mm pancake that I ordered 6 months ago. Still backordered.
Still rocking the OG 27mm which I got for £100 as a grey import. It’s not always on my camera but it never leaves my every day carry bag as it’s just so damn small.
Same here
23mm 1.4 Fuji and Viltrox comparison video coming?
I like how they have announced this and half a year later theres still none in Australia
This video is gorgeous. What camera and lens was used?
Most of the time is Panasonic s1H and 24-70 2.8 s pro
@@Weird_Quests I think this video was shot on something different; it really looked good. Noticeably improved
@@MichaelRichards983 oh - maybe. I’ve seen a few comments about the R3 - but I’m guessing we’ll have to see :)
Older one looks nicer. Fits Fuji style better IMO
It's not weather sealed though unfortunately
Only Tamron knows when they will release the lens for x mount.. Its been a while that they announced and yet there's nothing from them 😢
Are sun stars a thing in wedding photography?
What ARE Chris's favorite focal lengths?
50mm focal length.
28 mm for wide angle
I do love 28mm and 85mm. Those would be my go to. If I was forced to use only one the rest of my life, I'd probably stick to a 60mm.
When I first got my x100t I was super excited because of the reviews but soon realized I hated using it because of the 35mm FOV which I wasn't used to whatsoever. After a few months I began to like the x100 for what it could do instead of hating it for what it couldn't and now 35mm is my most used focal length. That being said I think people should realize that when most photographers say "Oh I love my 35mm" they are talking about a full frame 35mm 1.4 (sigma/canon/nikon/sony) which provides an awesome "wide + shallow depth of field" look.
(Not saying there are no good 35mm eq for micro 4/3 or APS-C)
24 1.4 is also versatile if you crop 30-40% of your picture for portrait. Hahaha
@@trym2121 xD
What do you use for fill lights in shots like 4:55?
Just a 42" white reflector.
@@thatjordandrake Can you say what camera was used to film the video?
@@MichaelRichards983 No.
@@MichaelRichards983 It was BS1H, they revealed it in BS1H's review on it's announcement day.
what does WR mean? wide range? so would 'distortion" be an issue? i have a 18-55mm lens and i cannot bear its distortion so I so often use the 35mmF1.4 but its coverage is too narrow so I think 23mm would be a much better choice just in case it has no distortion
weather resistant
Seriously, i do love the old, original Fujinon XF 23/1.4 R, for 400 bucks incl. 1 year warranty via camera shop, A grade, like new in original box & papers.
Pro
- character lens
- focus clutch
- the well known 35mm focal length FoV, one lens to shoot it all
- metal build quality & great design
- not being too big, too huge
Con
- no WR, hence weathersealing
- no lens for pixel poopers, err, -peepers
I'm not interested in APSC systems, but I do appreciate that Fuji is bothering to update many of their older lenses.
Olympus/OMD could follow this example... :)
don't hope too much on the new owner
what was this video shot on? S1H? inquiring minds want to know Marty Sender You Tube
If the weather sealing is just the rubber ring... that doesn't weight that much! :-P
58mm Filter size is Common for Primes - but not with the Fujifilm System. Only the 33 and the 14 have those, Chris.
Don't.forget the 18-55 kit lens! 😬 Even though it's a zoom...
@@martinjg3662 yep, plus the xf 14mm, which I carry around along the 18-55mm 🙂
The length increase night be small when used in bigger bodies but if you are using with T20 or T30 like I do, then it's obvious. I love the close focusing ability and liner motor but the size increase is turn off for me. I'm going to keep my classic old one.
Would you say the old 1.4 feels ok on the xt30? I know it's not going to be the most balanced but just want to make sure it's not crazy feeling
Which has better depth/3d look, the new or old f1.4?
I'd rather sell my XF23 and get the XF18 instead.
Almost looks like if one is interested in basic picture quality - Fuji body / lens combos are the best?
Generally speaking, the best image quality comes from the largest sensors. Fuji also sells medium format cameras that have amazing quality, but that comes at a cost.
There's a lot more that goes into a purchase decision. What's the right balance of cost, size/weight, and image quality? I think Fuji has a great formula here, but everyone's needs are different. Modern full frame cameras will have better image quality than this, but by how much? Is that worth carrying bigger, heavier, and more expensive lenses?
What about features that make it easier to get the shot? What about video? Menu systems? That's why Chris and Jordan often end up asking, "Who is this camera for?'
@@danieldougan269 seemingly, the Fuji sensors are all designed by Sony - so how can they be "better"?
It is not just the size but the ability of each pixel. Just having more is not necessarily better. GFX 100 and Sony 60M are "likely" the same sensor technology. The difference is likely in the lens and how fuji interprets the sensor data.
Seemingly they are better at interpreting the sensor data than Sony themselves! Of course perhaps better lens too.
Usually when this happens, it is because the actual component comes from a different source - not so uncommon e.g. google maps interprets motion sensors in iPhone better than Apple can ;-)
The Viltrox 23 mm has a lot of fringing, but it's also about a third of the price.
I don't get it - why doesn't Chris like the 35mm focal length?
Don't mention the camera used to film this episode... R3, I guess?
I was wondering that as well; the quality was better than normal
Bump, would love to know as well, I also noticed the difference in quality (or maybe it's just the fall colours and light)
Turns out it’s the Panasonic BS1H. So, the exact same camera and lens combo as usual, except rehoused in a different body without IBIS.
Yeah, I was psychologically tricked only because they didn't mention the camera. I wonder how influenced I am every time something new appears...
Recently I bought sigma 16mm 1.4 for lumix g85 but I didn't find any review from u guys about this lens,🙄🙄 plz if u used it what's ur thoughts ❤️
I personally love the 30 and 56 mm Sigmas for MFT.
@@VoidShepherd I luv 16mm and frankly I m using it because I work in a very tight space and I know sigma makes excellent line of lens ❤️❤️
@@Rohitkumar-hn5og I really didn't like Sigma before these lenses probably because of my experience with them from the film days. Their new stuff is pretty good though.
@@VoidShepherd yep they r prograising and if I wanted any third party lens surely at first glance I look to sigma lineup in this present era for any camera brand
I love you guys and I know it’s not your choice but I’m sick of the “*it’s pre-pro so everything we say is subject to change” p-reviews. I wish the CZcams incentive structure was different so that the camera companies couldn’t get away with this nonsense.
The manual focus clutch is an interface element. There’s no reason it can’t be precisely mapped to the linear motor. They just don’t care about it.
I have both lenses with this feature, the 23mm as well as the 16mm and I think it's more of an annoyance. You knock back the ring too easily in your bag or when carrying the camera and as most other lenses and X100 variants dont have this feature I often use the switch on the camera first just to realize I should have pulled back that ring. In the end Fuji must have thought the same and is dropping this feature from their lineup for good.
@@kalenderquantentunnel9411 They could just implement electronically controlled focus rings with stops and distances and an on/off switch. It’s just lack of standards.
@@VariTimo There already is an on-off switch on every body and the redundancy creates more trouble than it is helpful. Just skip that. You have a distance-scale in in the finder where it is pretty much useless e.g. to preset the camera and stops, even semi-soft electronic ones, would be a definitive improvement so I agree with you on most points. 😉
How many Nocts does it weigh?
you should redo the 35mm with these presentation xD
True that the Fuji primes needed a bit of “age makeover” and Fuji seems to be addressing a lot of the complaints about the “old” lenses. More relevant perhaps is that they are improving optical quality to have a reasonable amount of optics to fully benefit from the upgrade in sensor that is forthcoming in 2022. Would you know which lenses of the recent crop can actually fully support the 40 (43)MP sensor that should go into the H2?
In theory, all of the new primes are meant for the new high-res sensor.
How much Noct is one C battery?
I bought the Viltrox 23/1.4 hoping it would outperform Fuji or would be close to it, but no. It's sharp in the center and then gets mushy very fast, it's almost like gaussian blur. It happens wide open and still at 2.0. Shame. Who can blame it though, it doesn't cost nearly as much as Fuji equivalent.
What is the Aperture eq, F2 ?
It is f1.4 lens and when used depth of field is around f1.9-ish.
What’s the story with 23mm focal length? :-)
But how many Nocts does it weigh?! Obscure units such as "grams" mean nothing to me
Who can hate a good 35mm equivalent? It's a great focal length for boudoir! 😁
No Jordan?
How about coma?
Is it good for video?
hmmmmmmmmmm what was this shot on?? Lots of moving/tracking shots.
You look like a professor of mine, lmao, it's so strange! I should call him one day or another :)
Anyone who dislikes 35 mm lenses is not to be trusted!
👻👻amazing
Viltrox an inspiration???
is there any Distortion?
a little uncorrected