SIMPLE vibration tumbler - easy cheap build - great results - by VOGMAN
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- How to make a vibration tumbler to clean and polish metal parts and castings. Rather than spend over £100 for a off-the-shelf tumbler, I built one using a sander. It works great. Here you'll see me cleaning some Brass Monkeys I made using the Lost PLA Casting method.
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The way you animate thick sausages to look like fingers is amazing.
Yeah, it's a medical condition but thanks for pointing it out.
Arsehole thats why you hide your face
@@vogman Don't worry man, there'll always be that one utter Wanker with a nothing better to do with his poor existence of a life! Great idea on the tumbler by the way
Thanks Pip. It's a useful little build : )
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When we need to polish brass casings for ammunition reloading, we use crushed corn kernels in the US. You add a touch of Brasso to the vibrator vat and then toss in the brass. Works very well! 🤞🏼
Thanks for the share 😁
Really love the simplicity of this build, well done.
Thank you!
IIRC Wood-based abrasives are for light cosmetic polishing and even in more energetic rotary tumblers are left running for many hours. This needs before/after comparison pictures. A few great tricks in your solution, I think the hinges & ziplocks along with three strategically placed dowels are all that’s needed.
Well now, here's a tool I didn't even know I needed in my life until just now. Might have to hit the salvage shop after work today and see if they've got any sanders that need a new home. Brilliant job sir, thank you! :-)
Adopting a sander and giving it a good home is your civic duty ; )
It doesn't need to be a sander.. something that vibrates strong (giggedy) works too.
Erm... I'm nervous what sort of replies we might get to that comment ; )
Love this idea. Can't wait to get my channel fully up and running so I can try some of your ideas on this side of the pond and maybe share a few of my own. Keep up the good work.
It's all about sharing the ideas my friend : )
This is fast becoming my favorite new channel!
Thanks Bob. I appreciate that : D
Forever improving. Your onto something there. You'll hit upon a great medium I'm sure. The actual build was quite ingenious actually..
Blessed days sirSir, Crawford out
I'm sure with all the excellent suggestions I'm receiving we'll have a perfect recipe sorted in no time : D
Now I believe this is a great idea, a great vlog and I thank you for sharing with us. I’m going to subscribe and give a high five! This thing works!
Thanks for the sub!
Jeff I would suggest adding ceramic media. Depending on how abrasive you want it to be. Plan ceramic will be the most abrasive, Use the walnut as a buffer for the ceramic media. Do a search on rock tumbling with ceramic media. This method will come up. The smaller the ceramic media the better it will be at getting in all the nooks and crannies of the cast. The ceramic method is also used in metal work to polish and clean metal.
You're the second to say that so I'd better listen to your good advice : )
Ooh I like this. I'm gonna have to do something similar now.
Nice one : )
Just as I'm on a binge looking at these things on youtube, you have put up another great idea. I'm tossing up whether to go for a rotary or vibratory tumbler, but daresay it'll come down to what parts I can scrounge up from my pile of bits. I have seen folks mention the clay based kitty litter as a respectable media for moderate duty cleaning, though I am yet to test it. Makes sense in theory, and cheap as chips, too.
Hi Thomas. I have a confession for you... I have both. I made the vibration tumbler (because it's so easy) and bought a barrel tumbler because I found a cheap one. So far, though I've lots of media testing to do, the barrel wins conclusively for polishing. Maybe it's the water - just a little, with steel shot and a splash of laundry detergent. Gorgeous shine.
But I want something abrasive to 'lightly sand' the work and anything like that will quickly wreck the clear plastic barrel. So I have high hopes for the vibration tumbler. I know I'll find the magic substance eventually.
I had heard about cat litter, but again I thought this was a polishing media. I'll have to look harder I guess : )
A great idea I'm going to make one ASAP
Nice one : )
What a brilliant idea.
I like to keep things simple, John : )
Thats an awesome idea of useing what may already be around like i have a few in my shed that the hook and loopparts are a little on the worn out side of things so to recycle it is better then throwing it out as there is a few i did find on a junk day nice idea my friend
Oh, buddy, you are right where I want to be. Thank you!
Many thanks : )
I've also used a rock tumbler with jeweler's shot. I use a bit of Ethel alcohol and a spot of dish soap. I've not used any dry methods, though, so I may have to give your idea a try.
nice video and perfect background music volume :)
I don't know about the tumbler itself because there is no such a thing like a "really cheap sander" where i live, but the epoxy and kitchen film for making a "perfect fit" was genius.
now thats a cool idea
Thanks Greg : )
Very well done.. for sanding medium use the Lyman red medium the one we use to polish brass for shooting ..
Many thanks : )
Very cool idea.
My thanks : )
An awesome job there sir. Very well thought out. I'm impressed. 😁👍🤘
Many thanks : D
you can also use it to clean bullet casings
Hmm. I have notifications turned on, but I had to see this video to find out about your Wildcasts casting. Nice video here, thanks.
No worries Ron : D
For tumbling media I use long grain Rice with small bit of polishing compound. Cheap if bought in bulk and at most grocery stores. Not new brass shiny, but close.
I have roughly the same setup I used scoopable cat litter for the media works good
Nice tip : )
Good job and good idea!
Thanks!
Great to see that works! What would be a better sand to use? Do you think if the bowl was spinning as well in the opposite direction would that make a difference 🤷🏻♂️ good job my friend 👍🏻
As a polisher it works great. I know it will 'lightly sand' once I find the ideal medium. Jonathon George has just suggested I try crushed pumice. I'm sure I hear some other great suggestions soon and eventually we'll have an easy sanding machine : )
ArtByAdrock my mate has 1 of the eBay bought tumblers and he recons to use the sand stuff you use with sand blasting 👍🏻
You use aluminum oxide, silicon carbide media, resin based media (grit in a resin binder in small chips about 0.25"x0.5"x0.5"), or ceramic abrasive media (they are chips of ceramic that have an abrasive in them) you could try crushing coffee mugs from a thrift shop but I think you would be better off using just buying a few 5lbs bags of different media with known grits designed for vibrating tumblers. The problem with sand and other things is they are not sieved to specified meshes for the grits you need.
oh, and here in the US you can get about 5lbs of the media for about $20 at harbor freight (rust cutting resin media, or medium ceramic media), plus you can use the 20% off a single item coupons to get them for even less. Ebay might have them for cheap too.
Thanks for the tip : )
Hi, I watched your video and decided to make a similar tumbler. My sanding machine is Bosch. I took out some screws used for assembling the sander, make holes and put some long bolts (M4) to keep it upwards and secured with wood legs. Then worried about giving harm to the sander, since there is a lot of vibration and I am trying to hold the sander steady. Is your system still working the way you wished? Any problems with the vibration sander.
great vid
Thanks : )
Cool thanks 🙏
No worries : )
Great build, it would have to be one of the simplest method of a vibration source.
Cheers
Peter
Thanks Peter : )
Nice work! Awesome to see someone using stuff that would otherwise sit around collecting dust. In regard to the medium sandblasting works a treat on tired metals that aren't too thin as does soda blasting (bicarbonate soda) while watching I wondered if a mixture of the two mediums may produce a better result? That said I don't own a vibration tumbler so I could be miles off the target in that thought? none the less cool build.
Many thanks. I appreciate your input : )
Add some jewellers rouge to your walnut shells, or buy it ready mixed for cartridge case tumblers.
Thanks for the tip : )
Subscribed and belled, great useful video and can't wait to try it.
Thanks Phil. Good to have you here : )
Just mount the bowl holder on springs, then mount the sander to the bottom of that mounting plate and let the hand sander hang below it.
I've used clay based cat litter, worked relatively well. There's also a site which sells small amounts of rumbling media. I'll add the link once I remember what it is... Great videos by the way.
Thanks Luc. That would be a big help : )
@@vogman I think it was martynsbargains.co.uk/
You ought to be able to get some small quantities from rossler I believe we have bought a couple of 2kg bags off them.
I don't recommend using recycled or used cat litter though, he he.
This is rad!
Thanks : )
It’s cool
wow love this solution. you find anything better than sand?
Nice work, I have several of those sanders that I really dislike anyway. The funnel idea is brilliant. As to abrasives we used a product in the plants called "Black Beauty" it is made from coal slag. Perhaps one of your mates has a coal forge and he could fix you up.
Sounds interesting but I think I'll avoid an internet search with that particular phrase... I could get unexpected results : D
So have you found the best cleaning media yet? I've just bought a vibrating parts cleaner.
Thanx for the shoutout Geoff!Great tumbler buddy!
Don't get discouraged because that does do some of the work!
Just need to find a different tumbler media.
There's tons of different ones to choose from.
I would probably try the 80 grit. Maybe 60?
Also, there's the old ketchup trick! (soak your brasses and coppers in ketchup, and the patina comes right off! sort of)
You have the fine polishing down to a science!
Thanx for a great video Geoff!
I might make one of these for my metal projects.
Drive my neighbors into the loony-bin! :D
No worries chum. Credit was deserved and happily voiced : D
I was a little discouraged, though not with the tumbler or the media, but because I was concerned I hadn't made the tumbler look as good as it likely is. It's surprisingly powerful, though noisy. But being a bit of a perfectionist I wanted to demonstrate an ideal before and after but couldn't... so I was worried that I'd disappoint : )
@@vogman You haven't diappointed in this vid! Or any I can remember... It is what you want it to be! :D
You're a good man.
Ketchup? I would suspect that it is the acidity of the tomatoes at work. Go for something with more tomatoes in it or lemon juice for a better action.
@@markfryer9880 It's the combination of the salt and vinegar. :D
curious how long did that sander motor last running for days at a time?
I said Id watch it for ideas, now i feel a bit daft, I've been trying to think of the best way to attach a motor, never thought of a sander. Nice job
I like to keep things simple. That way I can understand them : )
I use prism shaped ceramic media, about 1/4" on a side, but that won't get into the fine detail of those castings you're trying to do. (I use a ball mill to clean and de-rust classic car parts.) Perhaps a very coarse sand, or shot blasting media. Here in Switzerland they grit icy roads and footpaths with "split" which is a stone chipping, about 1/16-1/8", that might work if you can find it. For polishing (I also restore clocks) I use walnut shell, which I get at the pet center (used as reptile bedding). Adding some brasso to the walnut shell helps.
Thanks Andrew. Very helpful advice : )
Great video. Hopefully the small sander is capable of prolonged operation. For cheap tumbler media, litter for hamsters etc. from the pet shop is said to work quite well.
Time will tell. I won't be using it excessively, but it was a cheap purchase. Something more powerful and brushless would be ideal, and still possible to build for less than the average purchase price.
Thanks for the media tip : D
Dunno... they're tricky little chaps ; )
you can find 10kg corundum bags for around 20 bucks for sandblasting, that should be a good option.
you could also ask a waterjet cutting company for a bit of their used abrasive, it should still be good enough for low duty polishing.
Nice tip. Thanks : )
For deburring I've used pea gravel. Sometimes I soak rocks in acid (vinegar) to roughen up them. Crushed up sand stone works good. Old china smashed up.
Excellent tip. Thanks : )
@@vogman Your 2 kind. TU
Try some aquarium ceramic filter media. You can get it in small beads or small squares about the size of a piece of gum.
TRY TO FIND SOME WORN OUT SHARPENING STONES , crush them to suitable size and use dry as media . for polishing you could use glassbeads used for sandblasting, they come in different sizes but I would choose the finest granulation you could find , mix it with soapy water and you have an extreme polishing compound for that last super glossy shine
Excellent tip. Thanks : )
I was thinking sandblasting carbide but guess what you are really doing is the carbide is rubbing the carbide and blunting itself. would work but maybe not cost effective.
Try aquarium gravel and might work better than Sand
You could use crushed porcelain plates as a tumbling medium. Best of luck
Thanks for the tip 😁
i use regular fine kitty litter sand. works great.. otherwise you could get sandblast material.
Thanks Niko : )
Vibratory tumblers seem to be one of those products that doesn't seem to have joined the cost reduction curve, never quite understood why considering the relative simplicity and cost of core components. Some might say lack of demand, but in terms of volume of product many more would sell at lower pricing and other markets with high demand have so many more competitors and models of tool available. Great job!
I agree. They're over priced for something that can be so easily made... but hobby markets are easy to take advantage of.
Festy I think it’s demand. In the hobby niche there aren’t enough people using them to get the cost to go down. I think many people with just do the work by hand for the projects they have when they come up. It’s not used often enough for a hobbyist to justify buying one, but that’s just my guess.
Hi! For the bed, try plaster, is way cheaper and it will make a nice base weight!!!
Hi Victor. Thanks for the suggestion. The weight would be good but I'm not sure how long the plaster would survive the vibration.
@@vogman If you put water, and add plaster second, and leave for 5 mins undisturbed and dont remove much (but make the mix without clumps, hand crushing them) and you add, a lot of it, the resultant plaster is super sturdy ( for a plaster) once it cures and dry for a week you could paint it with a cheap rubber roffing paint. I use this method to cast my molds, and its very cheap!!
thank you for answering! youtubers dont have much time to talk with their followers! also a tip: in the plaster you could half-bury wood inserts in order to fix with nuts a wooden structure that will trap the upper ( or lower) sander. And if you are concerned about the rigidity, put some layers on the "sander hand part" of plaster bandage, those are super strong. just some ideas though.
Best.
Thanks Victor. That's a very comprehensive answer : )
I try to answer all the comments made, but obviously some can slip by. I invite people to comment so ignoring them would be rude. Plus by interacting with them, I get to pick up advice and tips (like now) so eventually we all benefit from easier, more reliable techniques.
I have had good luck with cheap aquarium gravel. You might also try to get some glass beads from someone who has a sand blaster.
Thanks for the share : )
Bentonite clay from cat litter might be a cheap abrasive or the fine gravel that goes in fish tanks? Thanks for the build idea I was about to buy a brass casing polisher for reloading. You just saved me more than $100. I'm going to check out the rest of your vids for thou art subbed. Arise, Sir VegOilGuy Knight of the Subscription List!
Verily, thou art most welcome : )
Corncob is a media preferred by some for cleaning brass shell casings in America.
Thanks Chris : )
Try adding a bit of NuFinish or other liquid car polish to the walnut shells. Has worked for me in the past.
Thanks Greg
Hi, great video, I have a question for you or anyone else who might know, would this work with polishing stones, reminds me a vibratory rock tumbler or is there a difference?
With an appropriate media, I would imagine it would be fine 😁
Hi Geoff, how about you try different sizes of pebbles and crushed rocks or a mix? I think I saw someone else also add Jiff and water. Any of those slightly abrasive household cleaners should work.
I toyed with stone chippings but decided this would probably destroy the plastic bowl. Since making the video I've also tried Silicon Carbide grit which is the stuff a lot of grinding discs are made from. Unfortunately I opted for the fine grade which turned out to be incredibly fine dust. This did touch anything. I suspect a coarser version might do the trick.
Brilliant idea with the body filler! What other abrasive media do you plan on testing?
Well the suggestions are coming in thick and fast. I've no doubt someone will name the ideal solution : )
PeskeRacing op
Ah! You´ve pinned a hater´s comment so we can all wonder what prompts people to be unpleasant online. AVE does the same.
What a resourceful build! I always like to see a component fulfilling two functions at once; your clever inverted funnel´s a classic example.
I also thought that the attempt to keep the sander unmodified was very worthwhile, though ultimately less than fully successful. It´s a good idea to try these things.
I've often marvelled at how the Internet has made many a Lion from a Mouse. I thought it sensible to place the comment there so as not to tax the minds of similarly minded folk.
It would have been nice to dual-purpose the sander, but at £20 I'm still saving a minimum of £100 against off-the-shelf tumblers, so I can't grumble too much - though I did a bit : )
As a modeller, I know the car body trick won't be new to you. Many years ago I saw a modeller fix the most awkward shaped battery housing into a model boat in a similar way. Fabulously useful stuff car body filler.
@@vogman If only it didn't stink so much.
My "Gross Infectected Fingernail Pop" video went really big after some negative comments.
Try aluminum oxide sand blasting media, they are very hard and sharp little grains. I have only used it for sandblasting but it's the only media I have seen that when sandblasting it will basically leave a sandpaper like finish on the steel.
Many thanks : )
Add a shot of liquid car polish to the crushed walnut shells. It will cut the time needed to polish and do a much better job!
Thanks Pierre. Nice tip : )
Have you found a better medium since recording this?
@VegOilGuy you could get some different sand blasting media a try, like zircon, garnet or glass, they shouldn't be too expensive..
Thanks. I'll be experimenting as time goes on : )
How long did the motor last?
Great idea! I’m not sure if this was asked already but I was wondering if this would also work with glass pieces in order to smooth out the edges?
Hi Kris. The tumbler itself would easily cope but you'd need to find a better media. The sand I used works a little bit, but there are more abrasive mediums available. I'm sure a little internet searching will give you an answer to that : )
Toothpaste.
Thank you.
I have stainless steel products 1 inch by 5 inch looks a little bit like a ruler when I get all of them cut from the laser I have so many pieces that I have to have this type of scenario do you have any ideas for stainless steel?
Hi Joe, a tumbler like this would work for you, though you'd probably want something larger.
@@vogman thanks brother for at least getting back to me
Google stainless steel pin tumbler. Lots of homemade versions. Mostly used for cleaning and polishing cases for reloading. It does an amazing job though.
I've certainly heard they're good for polishing : )
I have big problems with the rubber grip of the sander almost melting with bits of rubber flying all over the place after only 10 minutes. I tried a non-slip mat between the rubber grip and the filler moulding but that melted too. Any suggestions to overcome this problem would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Hi Peter. I'm fairly sure my rubber mat came off quite quickly. In honesty I just replied on the bolts in the end. It makes a nice firm attachment : )
Would glass beads be any better in the tumbler? Can buy 25kg bags on eBay cheap. I used it to shot blast motorbike frames but in a tumbler it wouldn't be as harsh on the surface
Someone else has mentioned those. I'll have to give them a blast... well, not blast, spin : )
Why does this comment make me wonder about just how much of the motor bike frame was left after the job was finished?
Try using cat litter or dry rice they both work better than walnut shells
You could work on radio with a voice like that.
Lawnmower handle knobs work well as replacement for your butterfly nut👍👍
The inventor called it VELCRO. Not "hook and loop" 🤣😂🤣😂
I have the perfect face for radio : )
Wicked tutorial dude.
I suggest cutting up a mouse pad to cushion the sander hey.
As always top job 👍👍
Hi Geoff. Do we have an update on how this worked out? Do you still use it?
I still works Alan, but to be honest I've learned to prefer the hands-on approach of using a Foredom (or Arbe Pro-Flex)
Great idea! I'll be curious to how long the sander stands up to this abuse. :)
I haven't seen a build video like this from you before. It is very informative, but for entertainment purposes the editing should be a little tighter. Easier said than done, I know.
It was hard to think what to say in honesty : )
I've seen a similar setup done before and i think they were using cat litter as the abrasive media.
Thanks Scott. I'm collecting all the suggestions and recommendations : )
Cat litter is made of dried clay and it gets real dusty. Not a good media for tumbling.
Where did you get a University of Kentucky Wildcat thingy?
I made it : )
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That's great. I've got an old sander that vibrates as hard as an earthquake 😂
Perfect then : )
Hell just hearing about this earthquake sander is making my hands buzz. Does this sander go by the name of of 'Ol 666 by any chance?
I am not sure if you have access to it where you are at, but crushed pumice is a pretty decent medium.
Thanks Johnathon. I'm sure I can find that somewhere : )
Another great video. Have you tried baking soda. It's used as a cheap medium for sand blasting.
Thanks Alan. I've never heard of that. It's got to be worth a good. I'll wait until the wifes out ; )
alan tennant
I was going to suggest the same. I have a pressure vessel to clean engines with baking soda/sodium bicarb. Doesn't damage the aluminium, but cleans it up a treat. Not sure how it will work when not under pressure though. Gotta be worth a try mate.
A possible cheap solution is always worth a try : D
try garnet or glass or any other of the sandblasting media used in those machines.
Thanks for the input : )
Try using ceramics (small grit for what your trying to polish). Depending on how it works, try adding water or a mild acid to the batch and see what works best for your base material.
Some use ceramic stones and a soapy water solution if I'm not mistaken
Thanks for the suggestion : )
I prefer Ice and Soda ! Lol
How about using kitchen foodstuffs like dry rice, porridge oats, cornflakes and coffee grinds.
Excellent suggestion... that means scouring through the kitchen cupboards when the wife's not looking ; )
Maybe I'll have to get a 1/4 sheet orbital palm sander to build on of these. £9.79 (plus parts) vs £41.43 ($13+ USD vs $55 USD) at harbor freight is probably worth the time spent.
Although I may want to spring for the more expensive model with intensity control dial for a mock earthquake simulator.
I think if I was doing this a lot, I'd probably opt for a nicely powered brushless motor which should give years of good use. Even then it would still probably be cheaper than buying an off-the-shelf tumbler.
I toyed with building my own oscillating mechanism and I'm glad I didn't. This does what I need : )
@@vogman yep, nothing simpler than a brushed dc motor with a pot and a 1/4 circle weight for vibration. but there are other things to consider in a more robust design (true vibritory tumblers have springs around the base for "reasons"). Sometimes it's definitely better to start with an off the shelf design and then build from there then it is to start with the most basic parts.
Try Aluminium Oxide powder its available on E-ay in various grades.
Thanks : )
This might help:ALL ABOUT TUMBLING GRIT.www.mamasminerals.com/All-About-Tumbling-Grit_ep_156.html
I've heard that sand blasting with regular beach sand is dangerous as it can cause silicosis, so I'd imagine using regular sand in this machine would pose some danger. Finding another medium definitely the way forward.
Excellent point. In fairness the lid does a very good job of trapping the dusting. But your point is well made and gratefully received : )
I Know This Video Is 4 Years Old, But Still.. Hot Glue Would Have Worked Better.. Thank You For Sharing..
Ha! Love it.
I'm definitely going to have a go at this as I've been looking at commercial tumblers but balking at the price. The funnel trick is excellent.
They're over priced for what they are and making one is so easy and cheap. You'll have a great time : )
Yes the funnel trick was deceptively simple, almost made to measure. I was impressed.
Steel shot?
Hi Grant. I have got a little steel shot in there now : )
you should make the bowl easy to switch out. cut the large screw and use one of those really long nuts to to join two screws together that way you can just keep your course medium in one bowl, then move the part in to the fine medium bowl and screw it on. you can move it down the line with only high finish polishing at the end. that way you can be super lazy! you should make a strainer for the parts too, because you are only dealing with one sized medium this becomes super easy. if you don't want to even bother with pouring the medium back into the bowl you could just make 2 bowls for each medium. also if a vib sander is too expensive for anyone to make vibration you just need to attach a bar with a weight at the end to any motor's rotation. it's the best way to make your girlfriend happy.
so you can finish making all that jewelry she's been wanting.
Is it good to remove the pattern of 3D printing?thanks
I haven't tried it to be honest. I may have to give that one a whirl : )
@@vogmanI like your video very much, but my English is very poor, and I don't understand many names of raw materials.
If you ever have a question, just ask. I will try my best to explain : )
@@vogman haha thank you.Is it sand or something?
Yes just sand. But it wasn't very good. I'm looking for something better : )
This is just a theory my friend, so take it as you will.
I used SOS pads to polish up some metal, they basically are a very fine steel wool with soap on it. I got rusted chrome to polish clean with some elbow grease, on my 74 Honda motorcycle.
Perhaps there is a way for you to clamp down some pads on the bottom, pour some water (distilled I believe won't have any minerals/etc in it that could cause buildup or what have you.) Put whatever you may want to polish, and put a secondary layer, clamp it down somewhat, and I think you'd have much better results in a much faster time.
If there's a way I can contact you, I can send the before and after pics of my motorcycle as proof
And of course, cheers from across the pond
Hi Ryan. Good suggestions and certainly food for thought - thanks.
As for contacting me, you're welcome to. If you go here - www.vegoilguy.co.uk/contact_me.php - and send me a quick message, I can then contact you back. This allows us to exchange emails safely without any of that nasty spam : )
Done!
Drill holes in base plate, use wire to attach sander, done, would be my method
They made a worthless floor sander which was just a large vibrating sander,. Wonder if a very large bucket would make that sander useable?
6:56 "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere."
Unlike sawdust from manufactured wood with glues all through it 😂🤣😂🤣
Aldi Sander?