BUSTING THE MYTH about TS9 and TS808 Tubescreamer circuits
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- čas přidán 18. 12. 2017
- The discussion on TS9 and TS808 tubescreamer tone debates has been going on for years. There has been a wide variety of opinions and debates on the massive (or minuscule) sound/tone difference in between them. If you’re curious about the part differences between the two nearly-identical tube screamer circuits, a quick google search will provide a plethora of information.
You can also see my other video ( • Busting the myth of ma... ) to see just how much an opamp does or does not change the sound nearly as much as many have been believing.
Comments from the beginning of the video were from various gear forums - Hudba
The 808 has a bigger sound cause it's a bigger number
Hold on... yup. Math checks out. It's a bigger number. Science means it's a bigger sound.
Well, it's 799 bigger, innit?
...And a bigger price tag.
big muff has bigger sound than 808 because its bigger
That's quick maths.
Seriously dude? My super awesome vintage 808 was just about to go on Reverb for $600 so I can buy my cat dancing lessons. You just ruined it for me. And for Tinkerbell.
So fuckin edgy and hardcore bro
This is a strange comment section lol 😂
My dancing lessons for cats are much cheaper. I hope you don''t give up on your dreams......
But does your guitar sound better running through your cat?
I had to paws for a moment and give a good cry for poor Tinkerbell.
I definitely prefer the TS9, because I got it for much cheaper than a TS808.
True 189 or 133 now on Amazon but the mini ts808 is good
So what you're saying is, things sound different when you use pot.
Through extensive research, I can confirm this theory.
he said use pot
Sounds like you were on of those guys swearing your TS808 is brighter or darker or brighter...
Me too. Pot makes a difference.
well it was the coke
Pot makes a difference, but caps man... caps will make ya fly!
I find the 808 has a woodier, oakier fragrance with a hint of flaccidity and a soupcon of the Absurd
I'd hate to think what attributes you would arrive at with a "Big Muff". :)
If you bottled it, you could give it a wine rating.
Yes, and a sophisticated decay reminiscent of a Persian cat fornicating in a sherry cask.
A barrel-aged TS808 will always exhibit hints of vanilla in the nose, while a fresh TS9 is fruitier, reminiscent of black currant. In reality, though, the TS9 only outputs about .02 amperes of black currant.
Its a little bit after birthy.
I have been screaming at videos about this for years, even the stupid notion of comparing pedals by putting them at 12o’clock. It’s all randomness because of tolerance variability not to mention confirmation bias. I loved this video for busting that myth wide open at last. It makes the so called experts look like novices. Well done Brian.
Stephen Parry
It's amazing how many ppl have limited knowledge about the gear they're using. Basic electronics people! Tolerances change everything!
It didnt really bust anything. I heard clear difference in the last part. Is the 808 more expensive?
@@allankvist6741 you heard a clear difference because he said one was a TS9 and the other was an 808. It's the same pedals he used throughout the entire video but you only heard a difference when he told you there was one.
It makes the so called experts look like marketers, which is what they usually are
@@kill3r_b75 auch.
Well, it’s obviously the tone metal in the casing that makes the difference. Also, the vintage 808s used a different green lacquer, which vibrates at a smoother resonant frequency. That’s why they’re worth more.
Everyone knows tone metal is a myth! I have pseudoscience that backs it up! I even take 1/4 of the variables into account!
Curse you..I just got over the relic/tone scam.
I routed some f holes in mine and mounted the switch with adhesive. Really brings out the resonance of the pedal.
Not a true comparison unless both are tested in different hemispheres in a vaccum chamber during a full lunar eclipse.That's when the magic happens and the different circuitry really stands out.
If you add a Ferrari sticker everything works faster \m/
“We’re going to take the TS and get rid of the BS.”
My favorite line ever in a gear video!
Mine has to be from a JHS video about the sound of new pedals vs what they “used to sound like”. He said something like, “ it’s time we as a society admit that we can’t remember what we had for breakfast last Tuesday much less what a pedal sounded like 30 years ago.” 😂
My ts9 sounds the best.... no one else's comes close.....why???
Cos my mother bought it for me26 yrs ago.
in reality anyone who has had one of these for a year or more probably has the best one for them because they have learned where to put the dials to sound good for them, and they have learned to play to the strengths of that particular pedal, because it is all they have played through!
my mother bought me a Rat, its the best Rat ive ever heard
Kengi Hepworth If my mom buys me anything, it’s the best
You have a cool mother
awww
I love the way you're paying ohmmage to these pedals.
They deserve it for joining the resistance
The TS9 has a more yellow-ish tone where the 808 is more triangular.
Tim McLean oh god I can't stand when people do this
I'd say it has more of a reddish orangish tone and more cubical
For y'all synesthesic people out there
🤣🤣
I don't know if that statement is true, but I couldn't argue that's wrong.
Brian, remember those vintage pedals were wired with unicorn hair. Your test is invalid.
You‘re wrong! They were wired with Jimmy Hendrixs pubic hair...
LOL
That's just a myth, already busted in a previous video.
I'm sticking with the switch. You can clearly hear the smaller switch on the 808. The TS9 has a bigger sound as a result, but some would argue that it's not as focused.
You're all wrong they were made from Keith Richards used needles.
They all made a similar sound when placed on top of the amplification head, but the last one had a little less thud.
Lol
Lol blow me... that’s why you have knobs on amp and pedal to increase or decrease thud or whatever you’re dreaming about. In either pedal. Turn you’re knobs you knob.
Oh you mean the TS-JOE... (coffee cup) did have a nice resonance tho
Based on how much I practice, I find that the TS9 sounds like shit most of the time.
How have I only just found your channel? It's freaking awesome, thank you for the great content.
Nicely shown, I just knew there wasn't any huge differences. Love your tech vids, keep them coming!
In other words, just buy the mini because it's cheapest :D
or buy the parts and make your own!
I heard that the mini has a “smaller sound stage”.
;)
The mini is pretty good!
And it looks pretty cool on a pedalboard actually.
Or buy the Behringer TS...under $30. Same circuit.
This is why I stopped taking forums seriously for reviews
or youtube
You sir, are quickly becoming one my favorite youtubers/people.
"Take the TS and get rid of the BS". QUOTE OF THE YEAR!
I discovered when I was making a home built guitar just how much variation there is in pots. Some pots read as high as 550k and some as low as 450k. It never occurred to me at the time that this would be the same with pedals but now that you point it out, it all makes sense. Thank you for busting the myth.
This happened when alps and many other high quality potentiometer manufacturers had to shut down. People cared more about low price, not tight tolerances. Tolerances in pots has actually got worse since then.
Now, it is stupid to even think about buying alps pots. They cost more than a power transformer now...
The reason is actually out of their control though. Carbon film as the variable resistor is how it is done, but this process is crude and unreliable. Tolerances are determined after the fact, and thus, the tighter the tolerance, the lower the yield, the higher the price, and people are not willing to pay a higher price.
Thank you so much for making this video. I've NEVER been able to tell THAT much of a difference in the TS808, TS9 and Maxon versions. I mean I could always hear just a tiny bit of difference when put into a super clean uncompressed amp, but never much. Even different TS9s sounded different to me though, so I thought i was just crazy. All my 'music friends' told me I was tone def. So the fact that this video exists, makes me feel much better.
Also, I love your pedals man. I have 3 so far :)
I had a guitarist who left my band because I used cheaper alternatives. He took the drummer with him too. still don't know what happened to them after that.
@@RockG.o.d They got 'married' & lived happily ever after!
@@DMSProduktions haha probably.
@@RockG.o.d ;oP
I love the fact that Brian invests some of his valuable time trying to educate us in pedal electronics. I am personal testament to the fact that my tonal preferences change over time and I may like the tubescreamer for a while, then move no to explore another drive pedal (currently OCD). I'm pretty sure it has less to do with the actual electronics and more to do with my varying tonal preferences over time. That said, I always enjoy Brian's video's.The clarity he brings to pedal formats helps me explore their differences and enjoy the next step in my tonal journey.
Great video! Pedal Myth Busters! 👍🙂
MAD RESPECT!!! More people need to be like you when shooting out stuff and ABing them. Don’t tell or show what is what. Guitar nerds like me hear with their eyes and don’t go after the actual best sound. They like what they want, stubborn and they rarely change their mind.
I used to be the same way.
I once did a blind test with 3 pedals, an original TS808, a reissue TS9 and a cheap TS7. There are differences if you hear them side by side but any of them would do the job. I recently bought 2 "identical" new MXR distortions for 2 boards and tried to match them which was a hard job. One has more gain but less top end than the other and it's impossible to not hear the differences when you put them side by side.
There has got to be more of these things out there. Would love to see more similar circuits A/B like this. Fun to see which ones I can and can't hear the difference between.
2022 - This channel is where I go if I want a true, no BS, expert opinion and/or comparison about an amp, pedal or anything electronic having to do with guitars. There are so many myths out there that real facts have are starting to become dinosaurs. Great video!
The reason I own a Clarksdale and Ego.
Mind blown. So each pedal in each amp is going to be the differences. Amazing. This brings up more interesting conversation about how our brains remember tones/feelings about what we play and when and how we play it. This would be a great blog topic for Jason.
Some pedal manufacturers (and Wampler is most likely one of these) cherry-pick parts so that their tolerances sort of cancel each other out, making the product more consistent while also not throwing away components. Both the 468k and 514k pots are within tolerance, but it's true, they're not going to behave exactly the same. Cherry-picking the variance on the next part in the circuit can go a long way to cancel that out. The parts are slightly different in each circuit, but because they are matched to each other, the end result is quite similar.
I loved when you set down your coffee (beverage). Possibly the most important piece of gear in that room.
I'm happy with my Joyo Vintage OD. It does that green pedal thing for me. A tool, nothing more.
Crunch2 yeap i love that pedal too. The components are higher quality than ts9 as well hahaha
Joyo pedals are clutch
A Harbor Freight tool can often get the job done as well as say a Snap-on.
Yeah I love the way my LTD sounds when I shred it jacked into my starbucks cup... RAWWWWWWK
This is why I love your channel.
Thanks Brian, great video!!
Another clinical method to compare these pedals is to record a dry repeated control performance and then re-amp it thru the pedals for a tonal comparison.
Man, it's difficult to even tell my TS9 from my SD-1 once I'm going through a gain-y amp with some effects in the loop, and those are *entirely different pedals*. I've always thought anyone who claims to hear a systematic difference between the various tubescreamer models was full of it. Thanks for the vid.
I definitely need more of these scholarly videos in my life. well done
At one point I owned an 808, a TS 9, and a TS 10 and could detect no major discernible differences between them. I just thought I had lousy ears. Thanks Brian!
My Ts9 has a cleaner sound because I’ve been brainwashed to believe so.
So, the JHS Bonsai is only simulating potentiometer variances?
WOW! Exactly the same, Thank you for this nice demonstration.
You are Great!
Thanks, Brian. Very well done.
The funny thing is, talking about the gain knob’s effect on the TS9/808 is like eating a banana without peeling it. The best way to use these pedals is gain low and the volume boosted in front of a CRANKED amp.
Most comments on forums are bedroom levels through an SM57 which can only hear a fraction of the freqs.
When people test, I suggest cranking and using 3 mics. A bass mic, an sm57 style for mids and a condenser good for highs to capture the air. Then you get the full picture re freqs.
Great vid by the way. Keep em coming.
Not all use them that way.
Yeah well, I don't really like circle of tone after the clickbate video about moeer preamps being as good as kemper etc...he's kind of a weirdo. I remember him being the tock tock guy always edgy etc on forums.
There isn't a correct way to use something, it's about what is usefull to a guitarist I guess and I always love watching videos and picking things up.
The tube screamer is as much a normal overdrive as it is a hi gain boost, in fact it started primarly as a "distortion pedal" of the era if you think about it...SRV certainly didn't use it as a hi gain boost.
Peavey solid states of old can be killer amps though. I've got some hi endish stuff (brunetti soldano mesa amps, peavey tube and other stuff) and I am still amazed on what they accomplished with a humble peavey bandit. And that amp certainly doesn't need a boost.
Gain pot is just one part though. Imagine how different amps sound from eachother. We should be A/Bing different models much less and A/Bing some of the same much more.
No.
For you. Not THE best way.
Brian, I have to admit that I didn't know the difference between the two til I watched this video. I found a used and abused TS9 at a Salvation Army thrift store a couple of years ago (I paid $8 for a box of pedals and TS9 was one of them- Lucky me!) All I had to do was wipe the penis artwork off of the box and replace the old knobs for new ones and its been great.
Tom Tobin The ones with the penis artwork are more transparent.
@@tomcoryell has more HEAD room.
@@tomcoryell yeah. I find the penis artwork really just gives more of that growly tone I'm looking for.
yeah but does it last a long time before the pedal peters out?
We need more of this kind of video. So much nonsense can be dispelled by simple A/B testing under controlled conditions.
I absolutely love this dude and his reviews!!
Another tip, de-solder the stock IC from the circuit board and then solder-in an 8-pin IC socket, doing this makes it easier to swap-out the IC.
The TS-808 is more transparent than the TS-9 in my opinion. It has more "grit" while the TS-9 has more "saturation". Also the Boss Big Muff is more transparent than the TS-808. They all, however, are less transparent than my trusty Red Panda Particle. When Stevie Ray Jimi used that on "My Big Green Tractor" I realized that the quest for true guitar tone would not be completed by one pedal vs another, but by practicing Lydian b7 b9 scales in 5/8 at 200.2b pm. Plug your acoustic into a Line 6 Spider like a REAL man (making sure to have 8 Big Sky's going before it) and have a Klon Centaur Professional Overdrive™ BEFORE the reverbs though. Tone is in the flangers. the phalanges? sorry for the philosophy goodnight
John Reid hahaha
'tone is in the flangers' muhaha thats just about right
🤣
I’m a pedal collectin’ kinda Guy, I already have a 35th anniversary MIJ ts808 but I know I’m gonna have to grab one of them old school 81’ editions for a couple grand to get “that” sound I hear on the radio all day. This channel is one of my favorite to watch on CZcams when it comes to the real deal of what’s what. Keep it up Mr.Wampler
Old vid but thank you so much for being the wealth of information you are for the community. Because of that I have not only purchased your products, but others.
I appreciate that!
I have a Maxon OD9. I heard that Maxon actually made the TS9 pedals for Ibanez. Great Pedal.
Ibanez is a brand of Maxon.
"Take the TS and get rid of the BS"
You're a champ! 🏆
Really cool and very interesting video, well done sir.
Hi Brian thanks for doing this I love your bread board.
1:11 STOOOP the bus right there.
"Take the TS and get rid of the BS."
Haaaa! Sensational.
They almost sound as good as the Behringer TO800🤣🤣🤣🇨🇦🎸
Pretty neat prototyping setup! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you Brian!!! I have 9 Tube Screamer-type pedals (Ibanez, DIY and others) and they all sound almost Identical. Maybe some very small differences. Some because of tolerances but most of the differences I hear are in my head ;-)
Here's what I do when buying a pedal: I plug it into my rig (yes, I take my rig to the store - they don't mind), then I see how it sounds. If it sounds the way I want it to sound, for a price I want to pay, I buy it. That simple. I don't give a damn if it's labeled TS Mini, TS 9, TS 808, Klon, or any other such thing. It takes very little time or effort to see the reality of it all: Just take two "identical" pedals off the shelf and A/B them. They won't be identical. The same goes for instruments. As such, just test out what the store has and take home the one that best suits your needs. Leave the labels to the posers.
The true secret to maximizing the overall tone of any TS9/808 is running a 9v battery in conjunction with a power supply cable, it truly makes ever bit of difference. One more thing, use Energizer because that Rabbit gives it more kick 👍🏽
BUT he leaves little raisins inside it, that have to be cleaned out periodically!
I recently watched the TS-9 vs. Kokko 's "Green" overdrive video and found the differences to be very minor. I bought the Kokko to do some pedal stacking and am pleased with the result. I am pleased with the overall signal to noise even at high gain levels. Great video about a very "over-chewed" subject
Thanks for clearing that up. The TS pedals: Placebo effect generators!
You forgot to factor in the Fourier transformation effect
that occurs when a guitar player has cleaned out their ear canal.
Not here to dispute anything said here. I'm just wondering what the point of the additional parts in the TS9/808 are if they make no difference.
Just a different way to achieve basically the same thing, I believe.
Great video! Those pots (variable resistors) had a large difference in ohms! So, every single pedal will sound technically different from each other, then we have the same situation going on inside the guitar pits, and then the amp pots! ;)
This is a great video. Spot on with the facts. thank you. also, the 808 is more vintage sounding because the 808 came from the 80s /s
Ahh the BS difference clearly explained .. gotta love it when an expert sets it straight :-)
ya but 10 years ago he would be doing the opposite so he could sell pedals
Kelly Jackson yeah ok but he's still selling pedals. Your comment doesn't make much sense.
yes but hes established now being part of the myth busting trend to look relevant doesnt hurt him and may mke him look credible to some
Kelly Jackson are you a conspiracy theorist by chance?
He's not saying TubeScreamers are no good buy Wampler's version instead. He's saying is there a difference between them .. no not really. Given that he actually has designed and built well respected pedals for years, I'd say he is certainly credible.
This is useful. I'm going to buy a TS. I posted a thread on TGP asking for recommendations. Actually the majority of comments were along these lines, i.e., "don't buy into all the crap, just get a TS9 or a TS mini". There were a lot of recommendations for TS type pedals from other companies, but not many people saying you have to have a vintage 808 or anything.
CNCTEMATIC If you like it, you should also get an SD-1. Same but different.
I play a lot of fast, palm muted staccato note metal. Keeping the palm mutes fluid with just enough attack to stay "heavy" is better suited for the 808. If you want palm mutes that cut to the bone but feel stiffer get the ts-9. If you don't even play metal get the 808.
One chip in TS9 does suck without a doubt, a 7555 digits on it. Put in a socket and install any of the other chips and R104 with a 2.2k ohm R114 with 100 ohm and R115 with 10k ohm.
Electronic guys never can speak sense but they never shut up. Pot resistance was miniscule in the video.
I modded mine 50 times it seems with different things, foil burned off jumper wires everywhere, all the websites are done by lunatics who cannot explain anything... the above was all I needed. here is a photo of options:
media.stinkfoot.se/2010/11/TSmod.jpg
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. I have a degree in electronics technology, and was aware of tolerance. I just never considered it in the "mystery" of pedals. :)
Great work Brian. You are my favourite pedal nerd.
All I see is Brian can whip up a quick tubescreamer like making a sandwich and it sounds great.
My ts9 has such a clean tone that I usually put it in the washing machine with my whites to brighten the wash.
Excellent video! Thanks for explaining what shapes the tone of an OD pedal. I can see that two of the same pedals would probably not sound exactly the same. :)
I laughed out loud at your 3:28 review. Loved it! So many tone freaks are about minutiae shit that is so irrelevant when a full band kicks on top in a live situation. Great job
How about the tubescreamer mini?
Probably just sounds smaller because there is less tone metal used in the enclosure.
@@jasonpitre1249 🤣
Am I the only one who thought the upper mid/treble characteristic was different in the two modes he played? I still think the ts9 has a brighter character.
Yes you are, because there was no difference. You THINK there is a difference, so your ears perceive a difference.
This kind of knowledge is invaluable to an electronics novice like myself. Again it confirms to me the genuineness of your own products to do what you say they will and not just be disguised with marketing hype. Well done.
P.S - my TS9 is darker than my TS808, but they likely changed the pigment. 🤫
Nice and direct, those guys on forums might start measuring the pots now XD
Hoo-boy. Maybe the only thing worse than self-professed "golden eared audiophiles" are "golden eared guitar gearheads". :D Brian, get ready - this could end up as bad as the tone-wood ragewar. lol
I get it though. It can be so crushing and disillusioning when factual stuff like science and engineering calls into question long-held, often beloved pre-conceptions. There's gotta be a psychological term for this...
cheers man!
Cognitive dissonance? Or was your question rhetorical?
@@rich1051414 Confirmation bias.
@@jeffbrown-hill7739 In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort experienced by a person who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. This discomfort is triggered by a situation in which a person’s belief clashes with new evidence perceived by the person.
I think Richard got it right.
Not that it matters, but when you were doing the A/B, they sounded different to my ears. Not sure which is which - and doesn't matter to me. Do they sound identical to other people's ears?
Not mine, but they sound similar enough that the huge wall of text is unneccessary. One sounded slightly smoother(more midrange) than the other.
Meh. Sometimes I thought one sounded slightly brighter.
Sounded slightly different to me too. Different enough to make a difference?..,I'd say more to the player than the listener.
I'm betting in a mix they sound almost identical, also the difference could be down to different tolerances in the parts used on the breadboard as well.
This could be the tolerance in that huge part playing the guitar.
Thanks Brian! Maybe someday people will learn to listen with their ears instead of their eyes, or their buddy’s/the internet’s opinions.
I had a friend ask me to compare his new made in China Rat to my old ‘86 Rat. He wanted me to give him my opinion on what mods should be done to make it sound like my old pedal. He was frustrated by the differences when all the knobs were set at the same positions on both pedals. Of course, when I set the two by what we were hearing instead, almost all the differences went away. So much for vintage mojo, op-amp magic etc.
I think he’ll be fine now. He’s cool with his Chinese pedal.
cheers!
Thank you and I subscribed because of this
I love both but I own neither! I do own a modded Boss SD-1 which I also love...
same here
After buying a TS808 to sound like SRV people were like "WTF" when SRV's guitar tech came out and said that Stevie actually used a TS10 for a long time...sorry
The TS-10 has a slightly different circuit, but almost the same sound.
There was a long time when SRV didn’t use a pedal and plugged straight into the amp.
Hi, what are your thoughts on the Ibanez ST-9 Super Tube Screamer, if you've ever used one of those?
well I've made te 808 mod on a ts9 and the change is more on the resistors values which are changing. The sound of the chipset is a legend...blind tests are really helping. Our brain hears just what we expect! thanks!
I bet Eric Johnson would know which one sounds the best....
He would probably also claim that one would sound better than the other if it had another brand of 9V battery in it, and also which screws that were used to plug the pedal case together.
I thought the 808 sounded a little bit better subjectively
That's the biggest solder sucker I've ever seen.
luckyno888 that's what she said
Nice comparison Brian. I thought I recognised you from the DIYstompbox forum from years ago. I can remember the debates over the RC4558's opamps from different manufacturers made a difference. How so many things change and yet stay the same.
I wanted to start Modding pedals. Well now I am definitely interested ! I did not think there would be such a big tolerance in part difference.
He didn't mention one thing: this parts also change its properties during time - pedals sound different with age. I'm not kidding. So, there is a chance that vintage pedals with the same circuit as a new one will sound slightly different.
Yes, due to component drift, which has the same results as tolerance differences. 😊
_More_ results than tolerance differences. Drift can easily halve or double a component's value -- or worse yet, make it behave totally different hot than it does cold. This is a much wider swing than component tolerance allows for.
Tolerance is meant to include the varying of value with temperature. I don't think it takes into account long-term drift. It's hard to say if modern components suffer from long term drift. We don't use ancient carbon comp resistors any more.
Electrolytic capacitors drift quite significantly with age, especially in equipment made 10 to 15 years ago due to "capacitor plague". If they haven't exploded, it's generally safe to assume they're well out of spec by now. Fortunately, the much lower operating voltage of solid state equipment means that the sound will suffer and perhaps the circuit will misbehave, but it is highly unlikely to harm the user. The same can't be said of leaky capacitors meant to suppress high voltage DC in tube circuits.
So if old components have value drift, how do I know what a vintage TS808 sounds like? By now they should all be completely different. If one sounds good, it's just coincidence that the components changed value in a way that produces a nice tone.
I'm so tired of hearing all the subjective terms thrown around when describing sound. Growl, warm, dark, bright, etc.
The general comparisons me and my buddies make is usually a "this sounds shitty" and a "damn that sounds nice." Spending time playing and adjusting settings instead of talking about tone is a really good way to end up with a sound you're really happy with.
Great stuff ! I got an old Vox v810 overdrive, is it similar( in a schematic way) to the ts9/808...?
Great video. Love the proto board. I like tone in electric guitar playing, but I’m also an EE and also don’t like the hype surrounding this stuff.
Some of the comments on your video are as entertaining as the video itself! Cool ! Keep it up.
All TS's sound like mushy green lumps of midrange. The reason they're so popular is that they correct the Strat's complete lack of mid range and ease some of the shrill treble.
He’s not wrong.
And either way, they’re all Tube Screamers, so they ALL sound bad to some of us ;) :P
Thank You for the truth! I knew a long time ago that there are many things like this. It is just business, but people don't understand it.
Brilliant as always.
I easily picked the first slightly more treble less smooth breakup tone to be the TS9 and the smoother 2nd one was the 808. Every time he switched. I have them both and although the values change on components from pedal to pedal, there does seem to be a consistent audible difference, at least to me. But some cannot discern between Pepsi and Coke so.
I knew you started on TS9 setting (down) ... Sorry, but I COULD tell ... XD
Not really. He only put out 2 options, you have a probability of 50% to be correct even if the sound is exactly the same.
They actually do sound different. I wouldn’t be able to say which was which, but I liked the second one better.
Excellent as usual
Fantastic comments section - best I've ever read. Good to know the laugh lives on.